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juvey21
07-09-2010, 11:02 PM
donnie joseph anyone?

redsfan_12
07-09-2010, 11:02 PM
what a bullchit call

RedsFanInBama
07-09-2010, 11:03 PM
He's got the entire bullpen available, including Bray and Rhodes to face several lefties...and once again he goes too long with the starter.

This has happened plenty of times before.

I don't think he went too long. The Phillies got lucky with a couple bloops/seeing eye singles.

sabometrics
07-09-2010, 11:03 PM
donnie joseph anyone?

Call me when he's in AA.

Votto K's.

ILoveWilly
07-09-2010, 11:03 PM
Votto looking to win the game on his own now. It's over. We're mentally beat now after this ****.

redsfan_12
07-09-2010, 11:03 PM
cmon Joey

GIDP
07-09-2010, 11:03 PM
This game is looking awful. I have no confidence that we pull it back together.

sabometrics
07-09-2010, 11:03 PM
Madson is nails right now.

redsfan_12
07-09-2010, 11:03 PM
I dont even care if we win or lose..this is god awful.

RedsFanInBama
07-09-2010, 11:03 PM
Madsen's ERA is over 7 and he is going to mow us down.

TheBigLebowski
07-09-2010, 11:04 PM
idiot

juvey21
07-09-2010, 11:04 PM
lets not give ups boys havent all year.

foxfire123
07-09-2010, 11:04 PM
And you just know the Cardinals are laughing their a**es off over this.

redsfan_12
07-09-2010, 11:04 PM
nice AB Stubbs

sabometrics
07-09-2010, 11:04 PM
KK for Madson.

Sigh.

ILoveWilly
07-09-2010, 11:04 PM
I want Cordero released tonight. I don't give jack crap about the consequences.

RedsFanInBama
07-09-2010, 11:04 PM
Stubbs K's on three pitches. I bet he leads the universe in that statistic.

redsfan_12
07-09-2010, 11:04 PM
And you just know the Cardinals are laughing their a**es off over this.

I dont think so..Certainly not after their little stint in Colorado

GIDP
07-09-2010, 11:04 PM
Madsen's ERA is over 7 and he is going to mow us down.

its 10 innings of work though.

sabometrics
07-09-2010, 11:05 PM
And he was hurt earlier in the year.

Reds
07-09-2010, 11:05 PM
cards just went up 5-0 late

GIDP
07-09-2010, 11:05 PM
Im calling Royals tonight and offering everything they want for Greinke and Soria.

juvey21
07-09-2010, 11:05 PM
cards will win with wainright pitching

sabometrics
07-09-2010, 11:05 PM
Bruce waving at the change-up.

Magdal
07-09-2010, 11:06 PM
Holliday just homered after an IBB to Pujols. Idiots! 5-o Cards

sabometrics
07-09-2010, 11:06 PM
Bruce with some serious WTP right there.

redsfan_12
07-09-2010, 11:06 PM
please win it here Phillies..put us out of our misery

ILoveWilly
07-09-2010, 11:06 PM
Welp time to lose the game. It's over. Thanks a ton Francisco. I hope your mansion or whatever you're spending your unearned salary on burns to the freaking ground.

TheBigLebowski
07-09-2010, 11:06 PM
I am numb

Reds
07-09-2010, 11:07 PM
rhodes coming on? if so we'll probably see another AB

RedsFanInBama
07-09-2010, 11:07 PM
I wish Cordero would do the right thing and retire after this game. He's a joke and he's not close to the pitcher he was even two years ago. No strikeout ability. The slider has no bite. He can't keep anything in the zone. What bozo signed him to his ridiculous deal again?

malcontent
07-09-2010, 11:07 PM
I don't think he went too long. The Phillies got lucky with a couple bloops/seeing eye singles.
What about the homer?

Bray torched these guys. Rhodes is an All-Star.

You can't blow a 6-run lead in the 9th without using them.

redsrolen
07-09-2010, 11:08 PM
I seriously would like to hurl!!! I'd feel better!! Cordero you are pathetic!!!!

redsfan_12
07-09-2010, 11:08 PM
We could very well be tied going into the AS break. We wont win tmar and Sunday, and STL should sweep Houston

ILoveWilly
07-09-2010, 11:09 PM
Don't worry though, Walt likes the team. You know, our piss poor $12 million closer who can't do his job and our .280 OBP SS and all. They're just some awesome wily veterans.

redsfan_12
07-09-2010, 11:09 PM
well thats it

sabometrics
07-09-2010, 11:09 PM
I can't believe some of us are seriously berating the manager for not taking out the starter who had thrown 85 pitches through 8 innings.

Double for Ibanez. Lord.

jnewm777
07-09-2010, 11:09 PM
Just tell me that Cordero isn't signed for next year. $12 million for another year of this, ugggh!!!

GIDP
07-09-2010, 11:09 PM
Well its been nice seeing you. AT least we still have a 2 game lead.

ILoveWilly
07-09-2010, 11:10 PM
Just tell me that Cordero isn't signed for next year. $12 million for another year of this, ugggh!!!

Two more years actually if I recall. No joke.

FlyerFanatic
07-09-2010, 11:10 PM
this games over...halladay tommorow, we'll be lucky not to get swept

GIDP
07-09-2010, 11:10 PM
You gotta be findind a new closer. I dont care how much Cordero is paid. Find a new reliever Walt.

sabometrics
07-09-2010, 11:10 PM
Arthur isn't going to be caught making a mistake to Howard here. Nothing he can hit. NOTHING.

redsfan_12
07-09-2010, 11:11 PM
lol

FlyerFanatic
07-09-2010, 11:11 PM
haha wow

nouseforaname
07-09-2010, 11:11 PM
Goddammit!!!!!!!!!!

sabometrics
07-09-2010, 11:11 PM
Jesus Mary and Joseph.

redsfan_12
07-09-2010, 11:12 PM
f*** you cordero..

sabometrics
07-09-2010, 11:12 PM
Cabrera and Cordero for LVP's of this game.

RedsFanInBama
07-09-2010, 11:12 PM
Yeah, Arthur should have pitched the ninth instead of Leake.

Trace's Daddy
07-09-2010, 11:12 PM
unfreakingbelievable!

GIDP
07-09-2010, 11:12 PM
I cant wait for Dustys post game comments.

ILoveWilly
07-09-2010, 11:12 PM
Our organization should be f*cking embarrassed at this display. That's all I know. But keep running Cordero out there as our shut down closer.

redsrolen
07-09-2010, 11:12 PM
I feel as bad as I did after the Atlanta game!!!!

juvey21
07-09-2010, 11:12 PM
just sick

foxfire123
07-09-2010, 11:12 PM
This just completely sucks.

GIDP
07-09-2010, 11:12 PM
Cordero has allwoed 61 base runners in 40 innins of work btw.

Reds
07-09-2010, 11:12 PM
whoa. that was rough. get one of the next two, make it an average trip and get into the break!!!

NeilHamburger
07-09-2010, 11:13 PM
Reds are gonna get swept.

WestSideBomber
07-09-2010, 11:13 PM
disgusting...absolutely disgusting

malcontent
07-09-2010, 11:13 PM
Yeah, Arthur should have pitched the ninth instead of Leake.
Inning too late. Damage already done.

RedsFanInBama
07-09-2010, 11:14 PM
Hell yeah we're going to get swept. The only thing I fault Dusty for in this game is playing Cabrera. The guy barely looked strong enough to lift the bat and he's in the game. And his 0-6 night and the small army he left on base didn't help matters.

redsfan_12
07-09-2010, 11:14 PM
Get the next two my ass. We will get pounded tomorrow. And Maloney against Hamels sunday. What a freaking joke..the quickest a 3.5 game lead to evaporate.

RedsFanInBama
07-09-2010, 11:15 PM
Inning too late. Damage already done.

I think you missed the sarcasm there. There was nothing wrong with Leake going out for the ninth. Nothing at all.

Trace's Daddy
07-09-2010, 11:15 PM
Stl is going to win too dangit!

smoke6
07-09-2010, 11:16 PM
Why even pitch to Howard there? That one is on Dusty IMO....sucks

malcontent
07-09-2010, 11:16 PM
I think you missed the sarcasm there. There was nothing wrong with Leake going out for the ninth. Nothing at all.
OK. Let's say Leake starts the 9th, but how long do you let him go considering the circumstances?

It8ifyifitsgrif
07-09-2010, 11:16 PM
How the hell do you not walk Howard with a base open...thats Baseball 101. The runner on second is the only one that matters. Get the force plays

FlyerFanatic
07-09-2010, 11:17 PM
How the hell do you not walk Howard with a base open...thats Baseball 101. The runner on second is the only one that matters. Get the force plays

dustys pride got in the way

malcontent
07-09-2010, 11:17 PM
How the hell do you not walk Howard with a base open...thats Baseball 101. The runner on second is the only one that matters. Get the force plays
Excellent point.

Trace's Daddy
07-09-2010, 11:17 PM
Leake should have pitched the 9th at 85 pitches. Cordero's always gotta make it interesting. Can't wait for him to be gone for that amount of ca$h especially.

RedsFanInBama
07-09-2010, 11:18 PM
OK. Let's say Leake starts the 9th, but how long do you let him go considering the circumstances?

Exactly as long as he went. He made good pitches to Howard and Werth, so I didn't see any reason to remove him at that point. When the guy hits the ball out, I think then you realize that maybe he can't finish it.

BigPoppa
07-09-2010, 11:18 PM
HEARTBREAKING. truly a gut stomp.


BUT.........

a) not Dusty's fault. at all.

b) No reason not to send Leake back out for the 9th. Dusty has stayed with guys too long plenty of times, but tonight was different.

c) it happens. We've done it to others and sometimes it gets done to us. Syill hurts though.

d) Walt has to see that CoCo will not get us to the playoffs.

Trace's Daddy
07-09-2010, 11:18 PM
How the hell do you not walk Howard with a base open...thats Baseball 101. The runner on second is the only one that matters. Get the force plays

I was wondering that too, but we shouldn't have been there in the 1st place.

sabometrics
07-09-2010, 11:19 PM
Rhodes was clearly trying to pitch around Howard. He was going away away away, and just barely got too much of the plate, then Ryan sent it oppo and gone.

redsfan_12
07-09-2010, 11:19 PM
We wont make the playoffs with fatty closing!!

FlyerFanatic
07-09-2010, 11:20 PM
We wont make the playoffs with fatty closing!!

i dont think we make the playoffs period.

RedsFanInBama
07-09-2010, 11:21 PM
Coco's stuff has deteriorated in such an amazing fashion. He's blown saves before, but in the past he could at least get some strikeouts. Now he can't strike anyone out and even the outs he records are hard outs.

It8ifyifitsgrif
07-09-2010, 11:22 PM
Rhodes was clearly trying to pitch around Howard. He was going away away away, and just barely got too much of the plate, then Ryan sent it oppo and gone.

You don't even pitch around in that situation. If it is in a walk off inning you ALWAYS IBB if a base is open behind lead runner.

0 outs. Lead off Triple. IBB next two guys. Baseball 101.

Same thing in every other situation; including what we just saw

malcontent
07-09-2010, 11:22 PM
Exactly as long as he went. He made good pitches to Howard and Werth, so I didn't see any reason to remove him at that point. When the guy hits the ball out, I think then you realize that maybe he can't finish it.
By then it's too late.

You've got to come in with the fresh arm(s), especially lefty on lefty.

Baker is too slow with the hook.

malcontent
07-09-2010, 11:25 PM
You don't even pitch around in that situation. If it is in a walk off inning you ALWAYS IBB if a base is open behind lead runner.

0 outs. Lead off Triple. IBB next two guys. Baseball 101.

Same thing in every other situation; including what we just saw
Toothpick must have wanted Rhodes to face Howard, as opposed to walking him and letting him face Werth, or bringing Masset in.

Any way you slice it, horrible managing. Gotta walk him.

RedsFanInBama
07-09-2010, 11:29 PM
By then it's too late.

You've got to come in with the fresh arm(s), especially lefty on lefty.

Baker is too slow with the hook.

Hindsight is 20/20. All I know is all of you guys whining that he shouldn't have gone out for the 9th didn't show up until after he had been yanked. Where were you before that? I'd give you a little more credit for that opinion had you shared it before the lead was cut to 7-5.

foxfire123
07-09-2010, 11:36 PM
I'm not blaming Leake in this. That was a fluke and give what I've seen of this boy so far, it's not something that will be repeated I'll bet.

However, Cordero needs to GO. Like, yesterday. He's proven that he can;t do the job anymore. Buy out his contract, flat out cut him, whatever, but get rid of him. He's hurting this team too much being out there.

RedsFanInBama
07-09-2010, 11:41 PM
Buying out his contract now would mean eating somewhere in the neighborhood of $18 million I think. That's simply not going to happen. He's going to keep closing (or attempting to close) games to the detriment of this ballclub for the rest of this season and all of next year, too. Who was it that gave him that contract, btw?

sabometrics
07-09-2010, 11:41 PM
Toothpick must have wanted Rhodes to face Howard, as opposed to walking him and letting him face Werth, or bringing Masset in.

Any way you slice it, horrible managing. Gotta walk him.

I'll give this to you. The "take Leake out after 85 pitches/2 runners on," I don't agree with, but not giving Howard the free pass was brash.

malcontent
07-10-2010, 12:19 AM
Hindsight is 20/20. All I know is all of you guys whining that he shouldn't have gone out for the 9th didn't show up until after he had been yanked. Where were you before that? I'd give you a little more credit for that opinion had you shared it before the lead was cut to 7-5.
Slow typer. I was also dumbstruck that he hadn't been pulled.

GIDP
07-10-2010, 12:20 AM
Howard has a career OPS against lefties in the .700s

Werth is like 1.000

malcontent
07-10-2010, 12:23 AM
Howard has a career OPS against lefties in the .700s

Werth is like 1.000

We saw what Bray did with Ibanez and Howard the other night.

Ate them alive.

Is Baker not going to pitch him consecutive games or something?

Maker_84
07-10-2010, 01:40 AM
a good team doesn't blow 2 6 run leads in a season. i'm not sure the reds r a good team, i'd call them barely above avg.

WestSideBomber
07-10-2010, 02:40 AM
Epitome of overreaction^^^

GIDP
07-10-2010, 02:44 AM
a good team doesn't blow 2 6 run leads in a season. i'm not sure the reds r a good team, i'd call them barely above avg.

Lucky for hte Reds no one else in their division is good so being barely above average works out in their favor.

goreds2
07-10-2010, 09:24 AM
We need to take one of these next two games. We have to avoid getting swept.

redsfan_12
07-10-2010, 09:30 AM
We're gonna get swept. I am in no way expecting to win tonight or tomorrow. It will totally shock me if we do. Yeah, we beat Halliday last week, but were not gonna beat him twice in 2 weeks.

RedsFanInBama
07-10-2010, 12:29 PM
Slow typer. I was also dumbstruck that he hadn't been pulled.

Sure you were.