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reds44
07-09-2010, 05:18 PM
All from Jim Day

Hernandez to DL, Hanigan recalled #reds
Rolen scratched with sore back #reds
New lineup Phillips Cabrera Votto Gomes Bruce Cairo Heisey Miller Leake #reds

fearofpopvol1
07-09-2010, 05:21 PM
I despise letting a player sit on the bench for as long as Hernandez has without DL'ing only to DL him later. What a waste of space.

Glad Hanigan is back at least.

Let's hope Rolen isn't anything serious.

Falls City Beer
07-09-2010, 05:24 PM
I think the loss of Hernandez will be felt a lot more than most folks think (he's been exceptional offensively for a catcher). And well, if Rolen is hurt....

RedLegSuperStar
07-09-2010, 05:24 PM
I despise letting a player sit on the bench for as long as Hernandez has without DL'ing only to DL him later. What a waste of space.

Glad Hanigan is back at least.

Let's hope Rolen isn't anything serious.

I totally agree.. 1-2 games ok.. but a week

Tom Servo
07-09-2010, 05:29 PM
Hopefully the injury doesn't effect Hanigan the way his wrist problem did the second half of last season.

fearofpopvol1
07-09-2010, 05:41 PM
I think the loss of Hernandez will be felt a lot more than most folks think (he's been exceptional offensively for a catcher). And well, if Rolen is hurt....

I agree, but Hanigan is significantly better than Miller is. It's not even close. His return as the primary starter will soften the blow.

Will M
07-09-2010, 06:30 PM
I suspect Rolen's sore back didn't happen today. He has been slumping a bit. Cairo had one great week which was wonderful as a fan but the team needs a better offensively minded IF backup & has all year.

Hanigan's back which is good but now Ramon is out. The little injuries are starting to pile up a bit. The team has been able to play well at less than 100% but it would sure be nice to get a few more guys healthy.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2010, 06:50 PM
Maybe Rolen should reconsider the All-Star Game.

Mario-Rijo
07-09-2010, 07:00 PM
Glad Hannys back, he's an upgrade to Ramon in every way. Ramon is pretty much toast as a starter but will be an upgrade to Corky at some point. Though I'm not sure we see him back this season ---just a hunch. Here we go with Rolen, it was fun while it lasted, the downside to that deal was his potential back/health problems.

Falls City Beer
07-09-2010, 07:02 PM
Glad Hannys back, he's an upgrade to Ramon in every way. Ramon is pretty much toast as a starter but will be an upgrade to Corky at some point. Though I'm not sure we see him back this season ---just a hunch. Here we go with Rolen, it was fun while it lasted, the downside to that deal was his potential back/health problems.

How is Ramon toast? He's been an excellent catcher offensively.

Ghosts of 1990
07-09-2010, 07:04 PM
How in the world have we been getting the job done with Corky Miller as the every day starting catcher? It's almost comical.

Mario-Rijo
07-09-2010, 07:36 PM
How is Ramon toast? He's been an excellent catcher offensively.

Has he, I disagree. He's done a fair job but I wouldn't call it excellent. And he did alot of that damage because of the rest he's had prior to Hanny getting hurt. Since he's been back starting he's dropped off quite a bit. And defensively it's not even close plus all the pitchers seem to pitch better with Hanigan and Corky behind the plate. We need a nice LHH complement to Hanny, I vote yet again for Miguel Montero who should also fill the organizations need for a spanish speaking catcher.

Big Klu
07-09-2010, 07:38 PM
I despise letting a player sit on the bench for as long as Hernandez has without DL'ing only to DL him later. What a waste of space.

Glad Hanigan is back at least.

Let's hope Rolen isn't anything serious.

I doubt if Hanigan was ready to come off the DL before this, and the Reds don't have any other catchers on the 40-man roster. Sure, they could have brought up Castillo or Denove, but they would have to designate somebody for assignment to make room, and then they might have to DFA that player once Hanigan was ready. (I don't know whether Castillo or Denove have any options remaining.)

Falls City Beer
07-09-2010, 07:43 PM
Has he, I disagree. He's done a fair job but I wouldn't call it excellent. And he did alot of that damage because of the rest he's had prior to Hanny getting hurt. Since he's been back starting he's dropped off quite a bit. And defensively it's not even close plus all the pitchers seem to pitch better with Hanigan and Corky behind the plate. We need a nice LHH complement to Hanny, I vote yet again for Miguel Montero who should also fill the organizations need for a spanish speaking catcher.


I would say a .770 OPS from a catcher is excellent.

Mario-Rijo
07-09-2010, 07:54 PM
I would say a .770 OPS from a catcher is excellent.

Well that .770 ops doesn't make him the logical choice to be our primary starter.

Since he became the primary starter again....
June he OPSed .682 and that's with a .346 BABIP
July just only started but .700 OPS

And away from GABP this season he's stunk it up to the tune of a .585 OPS

And the pitching isn't as good with him behind the plate.

REDREAD
07-09-2010, 11:06 PM
Well that .770 ops doesn't make him the logical choice to be our primary starter.

Since he became the primary starter again....
June he OPSed .682 and that's with a .346 BABIP
July just only started but .700 OPS

And away from GABP this season he's stunk it up to the tune of a .585 OPS

And the pitching isn't as good with him behind the plate.

1. I don't really care what his BABIP is, if he's getting results. BABIP is just a theory.

2. Marty brought up a point on the game the other night. He claimed that when Corky catches, the pitchers have the best ERA. Because of this, Marty claimed that Corky was a huge part of the Reds' success. Now, I agree Corky has filled in well, but I don't think he's been huge. Personally, I think catcher's ERA is a bit overrated. Ramon had a better catcher's ERA last season if I recall.

VR
07-10-2010, 12:09 AM
Getting the razor some mid season rest isn't the worst thing for him or the team at this point.

I suspect the Reds pitching to be much improved with Hanigan in there vs. Hernandez. He's had great success with most of the staff, and I expect to see fewer runs allowed over the next dozen games while Hernandez recovers.

PuffyPig
07-11-2010, 12:28 PM
1. I don't really care what his BABIP is, if he's getting results. BABIP is just a theory.



It's quite abit more than a theory.

Hitters over time, are proven to be within a certain range of BABIP.

If they hi out of that range, they will eventually fall back within that range.

CesarGeronimo
07-11-2010, 12:37 PM
1. I don't really care what his BABIP is, if he's getting results. BABIP is just a theory.

2. Marty brought up a point on the game the other night. He claimed that when Corky catches, the pitchers have the best ERA. Because of this, Marty claimed that Corky was a huge part of the Reds' success. Now, I agree Corky has filled in well, but I don't think he's been huge. Personally, I think catcher's ERA is a bit overrated. Ramon had a better catcher's ERA last season if I recall.

Last season's numbers, for whatever they're worth:

When Hernandez was behind the plate, the team had a 4.45 ERA and 23-30 record; Hanigan was at 4.29 and 34-38. As for picking off baserunners, Hanigan threw out 21 of 49 (43 percent) potential base stealers, Hernandez 18 of 51 (35 percent). The league average on catcher ERA was 4.53, so they did very well behind the plate.

What should really scare Reds fans is this indisputable fact: Corky Miller was sensational. He threw out 35 percent of base stealers (4-for-11) and had a 3.29 ERA in 164 innings.

http://goredlegs.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/02/2010_reds_spring_training_the.html

Redsfan320
07-11-2010, 12:44 PM
Corky really does seem to know what he's doing behind the plate. If only he could hit major league pitching...

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