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will5979
07-10-2010, 10:54 AM
Halladay and Hamels tonight and tomorrow vs. rookies. We are going to be swept and lose this road trip, and probably be in a 1st place tie at the break even though just 2 days ago we were 12 games over and had, HAD a 4 game lead. We are pretenders and I'm tired of living in denial, its not just a river in Egypt. Last night's loss was too much for me to take, twice in a season now we've had to experience this, can't we cut our losses with this fatass so called closer we have?

I can't see how we will rebound after this...I really think this is the beginning of the end for our run, sure we may finish with a winning record, but whoopty doo when we could win the division.

BigJohn
07-10-2010, 10:56 AM
When the season began, I would have bet you $500 we wouldn't be in a tie for first at the AS break!

My son called it the MELTDOWN. I called him Chicken Little!

arkimadee
07-10-2010, 11:37 AM
it's one flipping lose dude.. we beat halladay once. even if we get swept we are in good shape going into the allstar brea. im as mad as the rest of everyone but i'm not ready to throw in the towl yet.

muddie
07-10-2010, 11:41 AM
I am so grateful some of you guys are not my financial advisor. :eek:

1990REDS
07-10-2010, 11:50 AM
Im more worried about rolens injury than last nights loss. if rolen is fine than i think this team will be fine.

sivman17
07-10-2010, 11:51 AM
Give me a break, it's one loss. The Cards just suffered a similar meltdown. After the AS break, we play the Rockies, Nationals, Astros, and Brewers, all teams we can and should beat.

BakoTheTako
07-10-2010, 12:01 PM
It's one loss. Have you ever followed baseball before? Obviously not because stuff like this happens. You're the kind of fan I can't stand regardless of the sport.

OldRed1966
07-10-2010, 12:01 PM
The Reds never had a 4 game lead.

xavr1
07-10-2010, 12:06 PM
I am not ready to throw in the towel by any means, but I thought this from Lance McAllisters blog was thought-provoking:

Circle the date: Friday July 9
The Reds gag on a 7-1 lead and lose. Francisco Cordero's blows his 6th save.
Arthur Rhodes looks human and 40 year old Scott Rolen misses the game with a bad back. Reds miss out on Cliff Lee.
Ramon Hernandez goes to the DL. Cardinals beat Houston 8-0. Reds go from the possibility of a four game lead Thursday night to a two game lead after Friday night. Road trip that was once 5-2 is now 5-4. Roy Halladay goes Saturday. Reds hit the break throwing three straight rookies.

Maker_84
07-10-2010, 12:37 PM
this is getting very very very bad

xavr1
07-10-2010, 12:41 PM
It's not good, but I was just struck with the feeling that, even if we get swept, I am still feeling great about this season and our chances to make the postseason. First, we will (at the very worst) be tied for first and 8 games over .500. Second, Volquez looks filthy and will be back. Third, I am confident Walt will make a deal for a bat and/or bullpen arm.

I dont think this team as it stands is a World Series contender, but it is a playoff team. Even with a rough series here at the end of the first half, I still see us making a run.

cbowen2112
07-10-2010, 12:54 PM
really? a two game losing streak means that the season is over?

what did these people think when we were 7-11 after the San Diego series?

if we end up losing this series and are 1 up or tied by the break, we should keep our heads up...here is why:

we do not have another 11 game road trip
we do not have to go to LA to face the Dodgers
we are getting an ace for our staff
we have a very young nucleus of talent to build around
the free agent market will be pretty good this year
we haven't been in first place this long since 1999

jmac
07-10-2010, 01:16 PM
It's one loss. Have you ever followed baseball before? Obviously not because stuff like this happens. You're the kind of fan I can't stand regardless of the sport.
:beerme:

TheBigLebowski
07-10-2010, 01:31 PM
Last night hurt....really bad....but let's not overreact.

I have a very positive feeling about tonight, strangely.
Did any of you really think we were getting Cliff Lee? Honestly?
Hernandez should have gone to the DL days ago but Lance's blog makes it sound like he just got hurt yesterday.
From everything I've seen, Rolen's back should be fine, although I bet the Reds rest him until the ASB. As much as I'd like to see him out there playing, I hope he elects to skip the game if there's anything to this back injury.

Considering we are Reds fans and that we haven't won a damn thing in what seems like forever, I understand why everyone is being so fatalistic.....but things just ain't as bad as they seem.

We win tonight and people will feel a helluva lot better. And let me remind you - Cole Hamels (we see him Sunday - Halladay tonight) has not been gangbusters this year - he has an ERA over 4 and a WHIP of about 1.35. I know - he's on my fantasy team.

Parliament
07-10-2010, 01:37 PM
Last nights loss is not a big deal. It happens people, we have a game tonight just move on and win.

knoonan991
07-10-2010, 02:09 PM
Come on, you can'tn be serious. Nosedive? We caught a bad break from a team who has won the pennant for the past two years. It happens, and it's a long season. I bet you thought we would nosedive after the Atlanta game too right? Look how we've turned out since then.

This team needs some rest and the All-Star Break couldn't be happening at a better time. We are getting both Hanigan and Volquez back, two very important contributors. Whether or not Hanigan will continue his offensive production remains to be seen, as well as Volquez and whether or not he can return to 1st half 2008 form. However we have managed quite well with missing key components, while the Cardinals are hurting with the loss of Freese, Ludwick, Penny, Lohse, and perhaps even Carpenter judging by how he's pitched after announcing having a sore arm.

I wouldn't exactly call this a nosedive, 2.0 games up at this point is better than many felt we would be.

tobttr
07-10-2010, 02:40 PM
A couple of things that might be worth thinking about:
1) Nobody I know of really expected this to be the Reds' year. Probably they are still a year away. I mean, how many of you posters expected this team to be leading the NL in so many offenxive categories at this point in the season?
2) The Cards had a similar experience in Colorado this week. They appear to be over it. Let's see how Cincy reacts. If they roll over for the next month or so until they are out of contention, they really are pretenders.
My two cents---I think the other shoe has just dropped. (But I desperately want to be wrong about this!)

BringDownMugabe
07-10-2010, 02:42 PM
Nosedive? That's laughable. All last night did was expose the fraud that Cordero has been this season and some of last. The team is fine, with exception of our backend of the bullpen, which always seems to rear it's ugly head time and time again.

arkimadee
07-10-2010, 02:55 PM
I learned a valuable lesson last night. I went to the movies last night and when i went in the Reds were up 7-1. In the middle of the movie I grabbed my cell phone and decided to check to see if the Cards lost last night. Well in the process I see the Reds lose 9-7. Talk about making you grumpy for a date. I wanted to chuck the popcorn 5 isles down. I guess morale of the story is to never check a score at the movies. The movie sucked for the rest of the night..

redsrolen
07-10-2010, 03:17 PM
The really good thing is none of these dooms day guys on the sundeck are playing for the Reds!!!! Yes I was very upset last night, but this is a tough, determined team! Do you honestly think they are walking around, saying, I really thought we would have a winning season, sorry it is over!!! Give me a Break, this kind of loss will make them more determined than before!!! Even if we lose the next couple of games,this team likes to win!!! I have seen alot of great teams in my long life, but you can't buy the winning chemistry this team has!!!!

brm7675
07-10-2010, 03:42 PM
Come on, you can'tn be serious. Nosedive? We caught a bad break from a team who has won the pennant for the past two years. It happens, and it's a long season. I bet you thought we would nosedive after the Atlanta game too right? Look how we've turned out since then.

This team needs some rest and the All-Star Break couldn't be happening at a better time. We are getting both Hanigan and Volquez back, two very important contributors. Whether or not Hanigan will continue his offensive production remains to be seen, as well as Volquez and whether or not he can return to 1st half 2008 form. However we have managed quite well with missing key components, while the Cardinals are hurting with the loss of Freese, Ludwick, Penny, Lohse, and perhaps even Carpenter judging by how he's pitched after announcing having a sore arm.

I wouldn't exactly call this a nosedive, 2.0 games up at this point is better than many felt we would be.

Bad break? Your kidding right? A bad break is when a ball bounces off a pitchers glove for a single or when your 1st basemen pulls his foot off the base. Last night was just example number whatever that our manager has no ability to in game manage.

brm7675
07-10-2010, 03:44 PM
The really good thing is none of these dooms day guys on the sundeck are playing for the Reds!!!! Yes I was very upset last night, but this is a tough, determined team! Do you honestly think they are walking around, saying, I really thought we would have a winning season, sorry it is over!!! Give me a Break, this kind of loss will make them more determined than before!!! Even if we lose the next couple of games,this team likes to win!!! I have seen alot of great teams in my long life, but you can't buy the winning chemistry this team has!!!!

The point here is that no matter what talent you put on this team, and I believe we have the talent to win this division, as long as you have someone like Dusty moving the pieces around, you won't win. I know how to drive a car, but if I was put into a NASCAR car for a race I would end up crashing and taking out a number of other cars, Dusty is doing that to this team.:thumbdown

AintlifeGrande
07-10-2010, 03:59 PM
The point here is that no matter what talent you put on this team, and I believe we have the talent to win this division, as long as you have someone like Dusty moving the pieces around, you won't win. I know how to drive a car, but if I was put into a NASCAR car for a race I would end up crashing and taking out a number of other cars, Dusty is doing that to this team.:thumbdown


Yeah I hear ya.Thanks alot Dusty,we're in 1st place,still up 2 games,we have our Ace waiting in the wings.Dusty will cost us a few games this year,much like last night.But he has got the most out of the players this year.I can't find too much fault in a winning manager.Walt needs to get on the horn and make a move or two.
I bet he will get a deal done during the all star break.He has never been one to sit on his hands.

brm7675
07-10-2010, 04:03 PM
Yeah I hear ya.Thanks alot Dusty,we're in 1st place,still up 2 games,we have our Ace waiting in the wings.Dusty will cost us a few games this year,much like last night.But he has got the most out of the players this year.I can't find too much fault in a winning manager.Walt needs to get on the horn and make a move or two.
I bet he will get a deal done during the all star break.He has never been one to sit on his hands.

A) what "ace" is sitting in the wings, and if you say Edinison then boy are we in trouble.

B) We are in first, but should be up by 6-8 games eaisly if not more. What will be your excuse come Sunday night when we will go into the All Star having lost 4 in a row, and be tied with St. Louis for first?

C) The talent is here, it's not an issue of talent but how it is being used. Why is Orlando still playing every day when he continues to put up 0'fers at the plate?

AintlifeGrande
07-10-2010, 04:20 PM
A) what "ace" is sitting in the wings, and if you say Edinison then boy are we in trouble.



How are we in trouble with Volquez?Tell you what,just leave a former all star and 17 game winner in AAA.

TheBigLebowski
07-10-2010, 04:37 PM
A) what "ace" is sitting in the wings, and if you say Edinison then boy are we in trouble.

B) We are in first, but should be up by 6-8 games eaisly if not more. What will be your excuse come Sunday night when we will go into the All Star having lost 4 in a row, and be tied with St. Louis for first?

C) The talent is here, it's not an issue of talent but how it is being used. Why is Orlando still playing every day when he continues to put up 0'fers at the plate?

Why are we "in trouble" with Volquez? Sorry, but you're gonna have to defend that one, brother.

knoonan991
07-10-2010, 04:44 PM
Bad break? Your kidding right? A bad break is when a ball bounces off a pitchers glove for a single or when your 1st basemen pulls his foot off the base. Last night was just example number whatever that our manager has no ability to in game manage.

The two hits that Leake gave up in the 9th were certainly bad breaks. Whether or not Dusty could've pulled him there is questionable, but with the way Leake was dealing it looked like he had good enough stuff to get out of it. Nobody even thought to take him out when his pitch count was in the low 80's after 8.

Bottom line is Cordero has to go pitch against two AAA batters with only needing two outs and he can't get the job done. How can you blame Dusty for Coco's collapse.



On a side note, amazes me how a tough loss always comes back to "Dusty is the worst manager ever!" yet he gets no credit for having a 1st place team. Just look at the interview Votto gave after being selected for the All-Star game, it's clear that the players respond well to Dusty. While he makes a few decisions that are head-scratching, his influence on the team shouldn't be undervalued.

brm7675
07-10-2010, 04:49 PM
The two hits that Leake gave up in the 9th were certainly bad breaks. Whether or not Dusty could've pulled him there is questionable, but with the way Leake was dealing it looked like he had good enough stuff to get out of it. Nobody even thought to take him out when his pitch count was in the low 80's after 8.

Bottom line is Cordero has to go pitch against two AAA batters with only needing two outs and he can't get the job done. How can you blame Dusty for Coco's collapse.



On a side note, amazes me how a tough loss always comes back to "Dusty is the worst manager ever!" yet he gets no credit for having a 1st place team. Just look at the interview Votto gave after being selected for the All-Star game, it's clear that the players respond well to Dusty. While he makes a few decisions that are head-scratching, his influence on the team shouldn't be undervalued.

A good manager looks at more then pitch count. Given the temps last night, how much energy Leake had used as a hitter and such, there was no reason not to use the bullpen in the 9th. Again it was Dusty worrying more about his "relationship" with Leake over winning the game. I blame Dusty for still using Co-Co as the closer, sorry but when I have Rhodes whose numbers are leaps and bounds better then Co-Co, then Rhodes is my closer till Co-Co can return to form. PLUS, it should have never gotten to the closer last night. You have other arms out there. Go with Bray or Logan to start the 9th.

knoonan991
07-10-2010, 05:09 PM
A good manager looks at more then pitch count. Given the temps last night, how much energy Leake had used as a hitter and such, there was no reason not to use the bullpen in the 9th. Again it was Dusty worrying more about his "relationship" with Leake over winning the game. I blame Dusty for still using Co-Co as the closer, sorry but when I have Rhodes whose numbers are leaps and bounds better then Co-Co, then Rhodes is my closer till Co-Co can return to form. PLUS, it should have never gotten to the closer last night. You have other arms out there. Go with Bray or Logan to start the 9th.

I've been a huge supporter of using Rhodes as a closer, but when it comes down to it, he didn't get the job done either last night. I don't think Dusty told the team to shut down the bats in extras either.

Norm
07-10-2010, 05:22 PM
If we do lose the next 2 games and go into the ASB tied in the Central (Big IF, I think), we...

A) Still have exceeded everyone's expectations so far, and come back and play a not too tough schedule to start the second half

B) Have a manager that, despite being the worst manager ever according some of you, is probably in the top 2 right now for NL manager of the year.

C) Have the probable halfway point NL MVP

D) Have Edinson coming back, and yes, he'll probably be our best pitcher. If you don't think so, sorry, you're wrong.

E) Have a guy in AAA that can blow people's doors off!

F) HAVE A CHANCE!!!

I wish some people on this board would take a nosedive!

BringDownMugabe
07-10-2010, 05:35 PM
Why are we "in trouble" with Volquez? Sorry, but you're gonna have to defend that one, brother.

I'll defend that. Because Volquez just came off TJ surgery. Name a pitcher who had TJ surgery and came back effectively the next season?

Nick Adenhart
Brian Anderson[9]
Rick Ankiel [10] (converted to outfielder)
Andy Ashby [11]
Mike Aviles (shortstop)
Luis Ayala [12]
Brandon Backe [13]
Danys Baez [14]
Luke Bailey (minor leaguer)
Rocco Baldelli [15] (outfielder)
Rod Beck [16]
Erik Bedard [17]
Ronald Belisario
Francis Beltran [18]
Jeff Bennett [19]
Kris Benson [20]
Adam Bernero [21]
Dellin Betances (minor leaguer)
Jeff Bianchi (minor leaguer)
Brent Billingsley [22]
Joe Borchard (outfielder)
Bill Bray
Dewon Brazelton
Doug Brocail
Taylor Buchholz
Ambiorix Burgos
A. J. Burnett
Matt Bush (minor leaguer)
Paul Byrd
Jorge Campillo
José Canseco (outfielder; injured while pitching)
Chris Capuano (twice)
Chris Carpenter
Rocky Cherry
Matt Chico
Shin-Soo Choo (outfielder)
Todd Coffey
Chris Coste (catcher)
Neal Cotts
John Creech (pitcher)
Casey Crosby (minor leaguer)
Ben Davis (catcher)
Manny Delcarmen
Ryan Dempster [20]
Chris Denorfia (outfielder)
Jorge DePaula
Joey Devine
Thomas Diamond (minor leaguer)
Brendan Donnelly
Octavio Dotel
Kyle Drabek (minor leaguer)
Darren Dreifort
Phil Dumatrait
Brian Duensing
Adam Eaton
Dave Eiland (twice)
Clint Everts (minor leaguer)
Willie Eyre
Ryan Feierabend
Scott Feldman[23]
Jesse Foppert
Chad Fox (three times)
John Franco
Frank Francisco
Éric Gagné [20]
Jaime García
Luis Gonzalez (outfielder)
Mike González
Tom Gordon [20]
Rusty Greer (outfielder)
Lee Gronkiewicz
Angel Guzman
Nick Hagadone (minor leaguer)
Mike Hampton
Sean Henn
Pat Hentgen
Runelvys Hernández
Shawn Hill (twice)
Matt Holliday (outfielder)
Norris Hopper (outfielder)
Alan Horne (minor leaguer)
Tim Hudson
Philip Humber
Todd Hundley (catcher)
Eric Hurley
César Izturis (infielder)
Jason Isringhausen
Tommy John
Kelly Johnson (infielder)
Josh Johnson
Steve Karsay
Jimmy Key
Josh Kinney
Billy Koch [20]
Bobby Korecky
Hong-Chih Kuo (twice)
Luis Lebron
Cory Lidle
Jon Lieber [20]
Brad Lincoln (minor leaguer)
Jesse Litsch[24]
Mike Lincoln (twice)
Francisco Liriano
Rodrigo Lopez
Matt Mantei
Shaun Marcum
Scott Mathieson (twice)
Joe Mays
Macay McBride
Seth McClung
Jake McGee (minor leaguer)
Dustin McGowan
Mark McLemore
Jon Meloan
Zach Miner
Sergio Mitre
Paul Molitor (infielder)
Matt Morris [20]
Peter Moylan
Xavier Nady (twice; outfielder)
Tim Naehring (infielder)
Joe Nathan
Pat Neshek
Brian Norton (javelin)
John Odom
Russ Ortiz
Josh Outman
Juan Padilla
Jarrod Parker (minor leaguer)
John Parrish
Carl Pavano
Omar Poveda (minor leaguer)
Scott Proctor
Bill Pulsipher
Chris Ray [14][20]
Carlos Quentin (outfielder)
Britt Reames
Matt Reno
Al Reyes
Anthony Reyes
Arthur Rhodes
Jose Rijo (thrice)
Matt Riley (thrice)
Ricardo Rincón
David Riske
Nate Robertson
Fernando Rodney
Kenny Rogers
Francisco Rosario
B. J. Ryan
Ángel Sánchez[25] (infielder)
Aníbal Sánchez
Humberto Sánchez
Scott Schoeneweis
Jae Seo
Alfredo Simon
Andy Sisco
John Smoltz [20]
Kyle Snyder
Joakim Soria
Rafael Soriano
Tim Spooneybarger
Denny Stark (twice)
Eric Stults (now plays in Japan)
Junichi Tazawa
Clete Thomas (outfielder)
Brian Tollberg
Wade Townsend (minor leaguer)
Merkin Valdez
Rick van den Hurk
Óscar Villarreal
Edinson Volquez
Billy Wagner
Paul Wagner
Tyler Walker
David Wells
Jake Westbrook
Scott Williamson
C.J. Wilson
Brian Wilson
Vance Wilson (twice; catcher)
Mark Wohlers
Randy Wolf
Kerry Wood [20]
Mark Worrell
Jaret Wright
Tyler Yates (twice)
Matt Young
Ryan Young (javelin)
Mike Zagurski
Víctor Zambrano (twice)
Jeff Zimmerman (twice)
Jordan Zimmermann

A.J. Burnett had success is the only pitcher on the list who saw success the year after TJ surgery. The rest regained success after two years, if ever again. Counting on Volquez to be reliable, never the less an ace, wouldn't be a smart choice.

AintlifeGrande
07-10-2010, 06:09 PM
I take it most of those pitchers named had the tj surgery midway to the latter part of their career's.Volquez strength is that he had it done at an early age.

Griffey012
07-10-2010, 06:16 PM
IF we lose these next to games and get swept we finish this daunting road trip 5-6, which if you told me beforehand we would go 5-6 on the roadtrip and be tied for 1st at the all-star break I would have taken it in a heartbeat.

IF we lose 5-3 last night the world isn't over, there is no nosedive, its just another loss.

Why not stay positive, it makes the season twice a much fun.

bshall2105
07-10-2010, 07:20 PM
I know this is a little late, but the nosedive crap everybody has been talking about has been said many times this season already. When the Reds were 7-11 they went on a nice streak. When the Reds got swept by Seattle, they then turned around and swept Oakland. Now the Reds have dropped two in Philly. If things stay the same Colorado better look out after the all star break because the Reds will be due. Oh and by the way Cincinatti is 5-4 so far on an 11 game roadtrip, that has to score well on the golf thread that many people read. Too much worry going around here.

Vottomatic
07-10-2010, 07:21 PM
Halladay and Hamels tonight and tomorrow vs. rookies. We are going to be swept and lose this road trip, and probably be in a 1st place tie at the break even though just 2 days ago we were 12 games over and had, HAD a 4 game lead. We are pretenders and I'm tired of living in denial, its not just a river in Egypt. Last night's loss was too much for me to take, twice in a season now we've had to experience this, can't we cut our losses with this fatass so called closer we have?

I can't see how we will rebound after this...I really think this is the beginning of the end for our run, sure we may finish with a winning record, but whoopty doo when we could win the division.

After reading your post, I made a noose, threw it over the rafters, and stood on a chair with my head in that noose.

Then I realized..........tomorrow is another day. :D

Vottomatic
07-10-2010, 07:22 PM
I know this is a little late, but the nosedive crap everybody has been talking about has been said many times this season already. When the Reds were 7-11 they went on a nice streak. When the Reds got swept by Seattle, they then turned around and swept Oakland. Now the Reds have dropped two in Philly. If things stay the same Colorado better look out after the all star break because the Reds will be due. Oh and by the way Cincinatti is 5-4 so far on an 11 game roadtrip, that has to score well on the golf thread that many people read. Too much worry going around here.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? :p:

BRM13
07-10-2010, 07:22 PM
I take it most of those pitchers named had the tj surgery midway to the latter part of their career's.Volquez strength is that he had it done at an early age.

I believe one of the issues with TJ surgery is that it takes a while for pitchers to regain their control. The rehab associated with TJ actually strengthens most pitchers and they throw a bit harder (1-3 mph) after rehab. It takes 9-12 months post-surgery to see this and EV is in this range. This is the good news. It takes longer, because they haven't been pitching for so long, to regain control. It seems to take guys a few months. The rule of thumb is that in a year the pitcher can pitch and throw hard, but that regaining his overall effectiveness is maybe another half a year away. By that measure, EV should be all the way back next Spring.

Rehab and surgical techniques are constantly improving and every guy is different, so maybe EV is ahead of this schedule (his last rehab outing was very impressive) but counting on a guy who wasn't that pitch efficient before he got hurt to come in immediately after TJ rehab and be a #1 starter is a long shot. We all hope this happens, but the more pessimistic comments are based on the usual time line for pitchers post TJ.

bshall2105
07-10-2010, 07:25 PM
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? :p:

No it was over when the Germans nuked the Japs.:thumbup:

BRM13
07-10-2010, 07:27 PM
I know this is a little late, but the nosedive crap everybody has been talking about has been said many times this season already. When the Reds were 7-11 they went on a nice streak. When the Reds got swept by Seattle, they then turned around and swept Oakland. Now the Reds have dropped two in Philly. If things stay the same Colorado better look out after the all star break because the Reds will be due. Oh and by the way Cincinatti is 5-4 so far on an 11 game roadtrip, that has to score well on the golf thread that many people read. Too much worry going around here.

I agree. The Atlanta game (that happend to Leake too, right? He'd be 8-1 at the ASB!) was actually worse IMO because it was earlier in the year before we'd seen the team bounce back. Unfortunately the Reds have had the opportunity to prove that they can come back from this kind of a collapse once already Fortunately, they have proven they can.

I agree with a previous poster that I am most worried about Rolen's back. So long as he and Votto stay healthy I think the Reds will stay in it.

BRM13
07-10-2010, 07:29 PM
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? :p:

Thank you Senator Blutarsky!:D

cbowen2112
07-11-2010, 02:26 AM
really? a two game losing streak means that the season is over?

what did these people think when we were 7-11 after the San Diego series?

if we end up losing this series and are 1 up or tied by the break, we should keep our heads up...here is why:

we do not have another 11 game road trip
we do not have to go to LA to face the Dodgers
we are getting an ace for our staff
we have a very young nucleus of talent to build around
the free agent market will be pretty good this year
we haven't been in first place this long since 1999


I misspoke about the Dodgers, we do play there. But it comes after the D-Backs series, not a Padres series which it usually seems to fall. We do not go to SD until the second to last series. My bad for thinking we did not go to LA...should have figured.

Vottomatic
07-11-2010, 10:26 AM
I'm starting to think this team is good enough to win our division, but not quite good enough to get past their first postseason series. The other contenders are just alot stronger than us in certain areas and our offense dumbs itself to death against good teams and good pitchers.

Might be another year before we're ready.

ian_madden
07-11-2010, 10:42 AM
I learned a valuable lesson last night. I went to the movies last night and when i went in the Reds were up 7-1. In the middle of the movie I grabbed my cell phone and decided to check to see if the Cards lost last night. Well in the process I see the Reds lose 9-7. Talk about making you grumpy for a date. I wanted to chuck the popcorn 5 isles down. I guess morale of the story is to never check a score at the movies. The movie sucked for the rest of the night..

What movie did you see?

bgwilly31
07-11-2010, 01:34 PM
I'm starting to think this team is good enough to win our division, but not quite good enough to get past their first postseason series. The other contenders are just alot stronger than us in certain areas and our offense dumbs itself to death against good teams and good pitchers.

Might be another year before we're ready.

Yeah i agree. I will be thrilled just making it to the playoffs this year. Our offense just isnt going to cut it.

Bruce, stubbs, SS position. 3 big holes in our lineup.

bounty37h
07-12-2010, 11:35 AM
this is getting very very very bad

Your posting? Yes, they do seem to get worse with each one I read from you.

markymark69
07-12-2010, 02:44 PM
Halladay and Hamels tonight and tomorrow vs. rookies. We are going to be swept and lose this road trip, and probably be in a 1st place tie at the break even though just 2 days ago we were 12 games over and had, HAD a 4 game lead. We are pretenders and I'm tired of living in denial, its not just a river in Egypt. Last night's loss was too much for me to take, twice in a season now we've had to experience this, can't we cut our losses with this fatass so called closer we have?

I can't see how we will rebound after this...I really think this is the beginning of the end for our run, sure we may finish with a winning record, but whoopty doo when we could win the division.


Way to have faith. If you had been told at the start of the season that the Reds would be in first place by one game at the All-Star break - you and everyone else would have taken it.

We can get into the semantics of :yeah the lead could be bigger." But, honestly, the Reds have won as many that they should have lost, remember all the comeback, last at-bat victories. They have answered every challenge to this point of the season and there is really no reason to think that that will not continue.

It's a rough patch right now, no question, but the Reds are playing better than most, if not all, people imagined and that is the reason to be optimistic, not fatalistic.

Roush's socks
07-12-2010, 02:54 PM
This Reds teams is in great position. Their 2nd half schedule is easy. They made it through the toughest part of their schedule and fought hard even getting swept by the Phillies. All 4 games were decided by one run/extra innings.

Win or lose, at least the Reds matter now. Votto is leading the NL in OPS. Leake and Wood are looking like potential TOR starters. Phillips is having a career year. Rolen is having an Allstar year. Cueto is having a great year under the radar. Bruce is more or less where you would hope for after having a terrible start. Volquez is set to return. Chapman is in the wings.

How long has it been since the Reds had that much to get excited about?