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fearofpopvol1
07-11-2010, 11:37 PM
I'm talking immediate things and less about hypothetical things. Some are more obvious than others, but they are things that would help improve the club.

(In no order):

a.) DFA Laynce Nix and promote Danny Dorn. Nix is better defensively, but that's it. Dorn has some of the same weaknesses as Nix (Doesn't walk a lot, stikes out quite a bit)...but Dorn's overall stats include quite a few ABs against LHP. If you look strictly at RHP, he's done very well OPSing over .900 this season. If nothing else, he would make a real platoon partner for Gomes in LF.

b.) Bump Bruce up to 2nd in the lineup. I think the biggest reason why he gets nothing to hit is because he hits before Stubbs, who has similar weaknesses at the plate. Put him in front of 2 players that are real threats and I think Bruce is more likely to see better pitches. I don't like this as a permanent move (because I like Phillips at 2 better), but definitely for now.

c.) Address the SS issue. Cabrera should be batting 8 or not in the lineup at all with his .612 season OPS. Janish's glove is legit. I think Janish has looked pretty good at plate as well this year. Janish should probably bat 8 too, but at least put him in the lineup more. There's no doubt he's better defensively.

d.) Give Chris Heisey more playing time. Start him all over in RF, CF, LF, just get him in the game more than a defensive substitution in the 8th or 9th inning. He's a valuable asset to the team and he's underused.

e.) Demote Cordero from closer. Not an easy decision with what he is getting paid, but it's got to be done. Put him in the game during spots where there are blowout leads. Or games that are out of reach. He has hurt this team this year. I'd promote Masset temporarily to take over and see how he does. It would also give Cordero some rest as he wouldn't be pitching as much.

f.) This one is the most hypothetical, but look to deal Harang before the deadline. It would free up money this year for a pursuit and it would get the Reds off the hook for the $2M buyout at the end of the year. He has to prove he is healthy and probably needs to pitch a few good games before the deadline...but I think a team in contention would add Harang. I think Wood could put up numbers similar to Harang for the remainder of the year.

g.) Play Gomes less. Especially when the team is on the road. Gomes hits .319 at home and .239 on the road. It also opens up more playing time for Heisey OR Dorn if he were to be called up.

I think the Reds could instantly improve the team by taking these small steps. Additional help will be needed from outside of the organization, no doubt, but these steps could be made in the interim and help the team.

Omissions? Mistakes? Anything you'd add or disagree with?

WVRedsFan
07-12-2010, 12:00 AM
I'm talking immediate things and less about hypothetical things. Some are more obvious than others, but they are things that would help improve the club.

(In no order):

a.) DFA Laynce Nix and promote Danny Dorn. Nix is better defensively, but that's it. Dorn has some of the same weaknesses as Nix (Doesn't walk a lot, stikes out quite a bit)...but Dorn's overall stats include quite a few ABs against LHP. If you look strictly at RHP, he's done very well OPSing over .900 this season. If nothing else, he would make a real platoon partner for Gomes in LF.I've long wondered what Nix has that keeps him on the club. He even was kept when Gomes wasn't signed. Can't figure it out. I would do the same thing.


b.) Bump Bruce up to 2nd in the lineup. I think the biggest reason why he gets nothing to hit is because he hits before Stubbs, who has similar weaknesses at the plate. Put him in front of 2 players that are real threats and I think Bruce is more likely to see better pitches. I don't like this as a permanent move (because I like Phillips at 2 better), but definitely for now.I'm with you on this one too. Bruce is getting nothing to hit and trying to hit it by being impatient. Putting him high in the order might be the answer.


c.) Address the SS issue. Cabrera should be batting 8 or not in the lineup at all with his .612 season OPS. Janish's glove is legit. I think Janish has looked pretty good at plate as well this year. Janish should probably bat 8 too, but at least put him in the lineup more. There's no doubt he's better defensively.As much as OCab was clutch early in the season, he's hurting us now. I'm with you on this one, too.


d.) Give Chris Heisey more playing time. Start him all over in RF, CF, LF, just get him in the game more than a defensive substitution in the 8th or 9th inning. He's a valuable asset to the team and he's underused. You're batting 1.000 with me. The kid can hit and field. He should be spelling Gomes and Stubbs now instead of Nix who is a one trick pony.


e.) Demote Cordero from closer. Not an easy decision with what he is getting paid, but it's got to be done. Put him in the game during spots where there are blowout leads. Or games that are out of reach. He has hurt this team this year. I'd promote Masset temporarily to take over and see how he does. It would also give Cordero some rest as he wouldn't be pitching as much.Absolutely. No reason to continue to see him be hittable and use poor control to cost us any more games. I know he's only blown 6, but it could have been much worse. Much, much worse.


f.) This one is the most hypothetical, but look to deal Harang before the deadline. It would free up money this year for a pursuit and it would get the Reds off the hook for the $2M buyout at the end of the year. He has to prove he is healthy and probably needs to pitch a few good games before the deadline...but I think a team in contention would add Harang. I think Wood could put up numbers similar to Harang for the remainder of the year.Good idea but it won't happen. For the money he's making, he could pass through waivers.


g.) Play Gomes less. Especially when the team is on the road. Gomes hits .319 at home and .239 on the road. It also opens up more playing time for Heisey OR Dorn if he were to be called up.Exactly.


I think the Reds could instantly improve the team by taking these small steps. Additional help will be needed from outside of the organization, no doubt, but these steps could be made in the interim and help the team.

Omissions? Mistakes? Anything you'd add or disagree with?They certainly could. The starting pitching is good--really good right now, but the bullpen really needs some help. I jus can't see adding another starter in the mix when the problems are elsewhere. Good post.

corkedbat
07-12-2010, 12:01 AM
I'm talking immediate things and less about hypothetical things. Some are more obvious than others, but they are things that would help improve the club.

(In no order):

a.) DFA Laynce Nix and promote Danny Dorn. Nix is better defensively, but that's it. Dorn has some of the same weaknesses as Nix (Doesn't walk a lot, stikes out quite a bit)...but Dorn's overall stats include quite a few ABs against LHP. If you look strictly at RHP, he's done very well OPSing over .900 this season. If nothing else, he would make a real platoon partner for Gomes in LF.

b.) Bump Bruce up to 2nd in the lineup. I think the biggest reason why he gets nothing to hit is because he hits before Stubbs, who has similar weaknesses at the plate. Put him in front of 2 players that are real threats and I think Bruce is more likely to see better pitches. I don't like this as a permanent move (because I like Phillips at 2 better), but definitely for now.

c.) Address the SS issue. Cabrera should be batting 8 or not in the lineup at all with his .612 season OPS. Janish's glove is legit. I think Janish has looked pretty good at plate as well this year. Janish should probably bat 8 too, but at least put him in the lineup more. There's no doubt he's better defensively.

d.) Give Chris Heisey more playing time. Start him all over in RF, CF, LF, just get him in the game more than a defensive substitution in the 8th or 9th inning. He's a valuable asset to the team and he's underused.

e.) Demote Cordero from closer. Not an easy decision with what he is getting paid, but it's got to be done. Put him in the game during spots where there are blowout leads. Or games that are out of reach. He has hurt this team this year. I'd promote Masset temporarily to take over and see how he does. It would also give Cordero some rest as he wouldn't be pitching as much.

f.) This one is the most hypothetical, but look to deal Harang before the deadline. It would free up money this year for a pursuit and it would get the Reds off the hook for the $2M buyout at the end of the year. He has to prove he is healthy and probably needs to pitch a few good games before the deadline...but I think a team in contention would add Harang. I think Wood could put up numbers similar to Harang for the remainder of the year.

g.) Play Gomes less. Especially when the team is on the road. Gomes hits .319 at home and .239 on the road. It also opens up more playing time for Heisey OR Dorn if he were to be called up.

I think the Reds could instantly improve the team by taking these small steps. Additional help will be needed from outside of the organization, no doubt, but these steps could be made in the interim and help the team.

Omissions? Mistakes? Anything you'd add or disagree with?

* Pretty much agree with all. Not sure I'd actually demilote Coco, but nothing says he has to get every save opportunity. I'd throw Rhodes and Massett a bone once in a while too. Moderate CC's workload.

* I've said all along they should have moved Aaron before the season. Maybe they can find someone needing a backend starter to take him and the buyout if we pay the rest of this year's salary.

* I'd give DD a shot too.

* If Cabrerra doesn't pick things up soon, there is absolutely no reason to play him over Janish (aside from his plucky veteranicity).

Ghosts of 1990
07-12-2010, 12:10 AM
b.) Bump Bruce up to 2nd in the lineup. I think the biggest reason why he gets nothing to hit is because he hits before Stubbs, who has similar weaknesses at the plate. Put him in front of 2 players that are real threats and I think Bruce is more likely to see better pitches. I don't like this as a permanent move (because I like Phillips at 2 better), but definitely for now.

Well said sir

oneupper
07-12-2010, 12:26 AM
Not sure I agree with the Dorn thing. He has good numbers in AAA, but he's also struck out a ton and would appear to be BABIP lucky (someone do the numbers).
6 HRs in 144 ABs isn't exactly the power I'd expect from someone who strikes out as much as Dorn.

I presume Nix will be gone when Dickerson comes back. Not sure that's an upgrade, but it would be a change.

Funny how no one wants to dump Cairo anymore.

fearofpopvol1
07-12-2010, 12:31 AM
Not sure I agree with the Dorn thing. He has good numbers in AAA, but he's also struck out a ton and would appear to be BABIP lucky (someone do the numbers).
6 HRs in 144 ABs isn't exactly the power I'd expect from someone who strikes out as much as Dorn.

I presume Nix will be gone when Dickerson comes back. Not sure that's an upgrade, but it would be a change.

Funny how no one wants to dump Cairo anymore.

Both the Ks and the BBs look much better when you look at the RHP splits. I wouldn't want Dorn starting games against LHP.

Tom Servo
07-12-2010, 12:31 AM
Roll Cordero up in a carpet and throw him off a bridge.

Cedric
07-12-2010, 12:32 AM
Bruce has a really long swing. Putting him 2nd just means he gets busted in all day with fastballs.

I'd rather he just stayed away from a pressure spot in the lineup at this point.

WVRedsFan
07-12-2010, 12:51 AM
Bruce has a really long swing. Putting him 2nd just means he gets busted in all day with fastballs.

I'd rather he just stayed away from a pressure spot in the lineup at this point.I've noticed the long swing and wondered why so many thought he was a "can't miss" guy. He has his flaws, but the boy can hit a fastball, so maybe that's not a bad thing.

camisadelgolf
07-12-2010, 01:17 AM
a.) DFA Laynce Nix and promote Danny Dorn. Nix is better defensively, but that's it. Dorn has some of the same weaknesses as Nix (Doesn't walk a lot, stikes out quite a bit)...but Dorn's overall stats include quite a few ABs against LHP. If you look strictly at RHP, he's done very well OPSing over .900 this season. If nothing else, he would make a real platoon partner for Gomes in LF.
This is more like shuffling deck chairs. Any offensive upgrade Dorn might have over Nix is negated by the defense imho.


b.) Bump Bruce up to 2nd in the lineup. I think the biggest reason why he gets nothing to hit is because he hits before Stubbs, who has similar weaknesses at the plate. Put him in front of 2 players that are real threats and I think Bruce is more likely to see better pitches. I don't like this as a permanent move (because I like Phillips at 2 better), but definitely for now.
Bumping up Bruce means having back-to-back lefties in the lineup. Also, Bruce isn't exactly an OBP machine, so I'd rather see him as the #5 hitter with Rolen sandwiched between him and Votto. I don't have a good solution for upgrading the #2 hitter, but I'd want the best baserunner who gets on base at a good clip, whoever that is.


c.) Address the SS issue. Cabrera should be batting 8 or not in the lineup at all with his .612 season OPS. Janish's glove is legit. I think Janish has looked pretty good at plate as well this year. Janish should probably bat 8 too, but at least put him in the lineup more. There's no doubt he's better defensively.
:thumbup:


d.) Give Chris Heisey more playing time. Start him all over in RF, CF, LF, just get him in the game more than a defensive substitution in the 8th or 9th inning. He's a valuable asset to the team and he's underused.
:thumbup:


e.) Demote Cordero from closer. Not an easy decision with what he is getting paid, but it's got to be done. Put him in the game during spots where there are blowout leads. Or games that are out of reach. He has hurt this team this year. I'd promote Masset temporarily to take over and see how he does. It would also give Cordero some rest as he wouldn't be pitching as much.
Cordero is struggling, and if it continues, you have to demote him at some point, but I think he's earned a longer leash than that. Even if he gets demoted, I'm not sure Masset is the guy you can count on.


f.) This one is the most hypothetical, but look to deal Harang before the deadline. It would free up money this year for a pursuit and it would get the Reds off the hook for the $2M buyout at the end of the year. He has to prove he is healthy and probably needs to pitch a few good games before the deadline...but I think a team in contention would add Harang. I think Wood could put up numbers similar to Harang for the remainder of the year.
If Harang is dealt away, it's probably in a deal to compensate for a high-paid player coming Cincinnati's way. Still, I'd definitely be looking to deal him for the salary relief, provided the money is allocated properly.


g.) Play Gomes less. Especially when the team is on the road. Gomes hits .319 at home and .239 on the road. It also opens up more playing time for Heisey OR Dorn if he were to be called up.
:thumbup: I love what Gomes brings to the team, but his numbers suggest he's not the best option as the everyday left fielder.

fearofpopvol1
07-12-2010, 03:23 AM
This is more like shuffling deck chairs. Any offensive upgrade Dorn might have over Nix is negated by the defense imho.

I'm going to have to disagree. I know Dorn is not supposed to be known for his defense...and I've never seen him play, but he has a career fielding % in the minors of .989. Nix's career fielding % in the minors was .984. Dorn has had 11 errors in his 5 years in the minors while Nix had 21 in 9 years. Unfortunately, there's not a lot of advance fielding data for the minors. I've stated that I think Nix is a better defender (mostly because I've never heard anything great about his defense), but I just don't think Dorn is a negative defender.

I also think Dorn's bat is more impressive. I don't advoate Dorn starting against anyone but RHP. Let's look at offensive numbers. Nix OPS'ed .827 in 9 years in the minors. Dorn has OPS'ed .884 in 5 seasons. Nix hadn't touched AAA by his 5th season and had yet to ever touch what Dorn has OPS'ed in his first 5 seasons.

Also, Heisey could replace Dorn late in the game for defensive purposes if Dorn's defense was of concern. I'm thinking Dorn is a better defender than Gomes is though.


Bumping up Bruce means having back-to-back lefties in the lineup. Also, Bruce isn't exactly an OBP machine, so I'd rather see him as the #5 hitter with Rolen sandwiched between him and Votto. I don't have a good solution for upgrading the #2 hitter, but I'd want the best baserunner who gets on base at a good clip, whoever that is.

As it is now, Dusty regularly bats Gomes behind Rolen so you have righty/righty there. Or Phillips and OCab 1 and 2, also righty righty. I don't think it's that big of a deal. I see no real disadvantage to doing Bruce 2 and Votto 3 unless it's a tough lefty. If the opposing team puts in a tough lefty late, PH Heisey for Bruce. Problem solved. But those situations don't come up too often where a tough lefty is starting. I'm not opposed to Bruce at 5 eventually (I think that's a good spot for him), but I just think Bruce will see better pitches hitting in front of Votto and Rolen. Pitchers are not going to want to put Bruce on 1B to pitch to Votto.


Cordero is struggling, and if it continues, you have to demote him at some point, but I think he's earned a longer leash than that. Even if he gets demoted, I'm not sure Masset is the guy you can count on.

If you demoted Cordero, who would replace him? Rhodes has struggled when made a closer in the past and he is also been worked a lot already. Dusty clearly trusts Masset the most next to Rhodes. I'm not all that opposed to a closer by committee, but that just doesn't seem like a Dusty move.

Rojo
07-12-2010, 03:37 AM
Three weeks ago I was pilloried for the Dorn-to-left-field idea. Just get used to it till it becomes no-duh, everyone-can-see-that conventional wisdom. Kinda like real estate.

mth123
07-12-2010, 03:42 AM
I'm talking immediate things and less about hypothetical things. Some are more obvious than others, but they are things that would help improve the club.

(In no order):

a.) DFA Laynce Nix and promote Danny Dorn. Nix is better defensively, but that's it. Dorn has some of the same weaknesses as Nix (Doesn't walk a lot, stikes out quite a bit)...but Dorn's overall stats include quite a few ABs against LHP. If you look strictly at RHP, he's done very well OPSing over .900 this season. If nothing else, he would make a real platoon partner for Gomes in LF.

b.) Bump Bruce up to 2nd in the lineup. I think the biggest reason why he gets nothing to hit is because he hits before Stubbs, who has similar weaknesses at the plate. Put him in front of 2 players that are real threats and I think Bruce is more likely to see better pitches. I don't like this as a permanent move (because I like Phillips at 2 better), but definitely for now.

c.) Address the SS issue. Cabrera should be batting 8 or not in the lineup at all with his .612 season OPS. Janish's glove is legit. I think Janish has looked pretty good at plate as well this year. Janish should probably bat 8 too, but at least put him in the lineup more. There's no doubt he's better defensively.

d.) Give Chris Heisey more playing time. Start him all over in RF, CF, LF, just get him in the game more than a defensive substitution in the 8th or 9th inning. He's a valuable asset to the team and he's underused.

e.) Demote Cordero from closer. Not an easy decision with what he is getting paid, but it's got to be done. Put him in the game during spots where there are blowout leads. Or games that are out of reach. He has hurt this team this year. I'd promote Masset temporarily to take over and see how he does. It would also give Cordero some rest as he wouldn't be pitching as much.

f.) This one is the most hypothetical, but look to deal Harang before the deadline. It would free up money this year for a pursuit and it would get the Reds off the hook for the $2M buyout at the end of the year. He has to prove he is healthy and probably needs to pitch a few good games before the deadline...but I think a team in contention would add Harang. I think Wood could put up numbers similar to Harang for the remainder of the year.

g.) Play Gomes less. Especially when the team is on the road. Gomes hits .319 at home and .239 on the road. It also opens up more playing time for Heisey OR Dorn if he were to be called up.

I think the Reds could instantly improve the team by taking these small steps. Additional help will be needed from outside of the organization, no doubt, but these steps could be made in the interim and help the team.

Omissions? Mistakes? Anything you'd add or disagree with?


Agree on all counts.

Big Klu
07-12-2010, 03:55 AM
Funny how no one wants to dump Cairo anymore.

If the Reds had played the Phillies during Cairo's hot streak at 1B the week that Joey Votto was out with the neck problem, then Uncle Charlie might have chosen Miguel for the All-Star Team instead of Omar Infante!

.308/.348/.421/.768...Cairo is not a problem.

camisadelgolf
07-12-2010, 05:54 AM
.308/.348/.421/.768...Cairo is not a problem.
. . . yet. :devil:

Mario-Rijo
07-12-2010, 08:13 AM
Seems like an awful lot of stuff that could be done but isn't very realistic. The Nix-Dorn thing might be plausible if the Reds brass didn't view Dorn in the same light as Sean Henry, they just don't like either of them and don't see their value. Bruce to the 2 hole might be a realistic option and could have dramatic effects, one of the few things that I think the Reds might consider doing. However if Heisey is playing more he makes more sense in the 2 hole what with his speed and all. CoCo is an enigma at this point I'm not sure what is best for him. But demoting him is an idea that just isn't very likely to occur. Why would a contending team trade for a guy who a contending team is trading away so they can contend better? Janish playing more is probably a fair and reasonable strategy for now and they may be in the process of doing that already.

fearofpopvol1
07-12-2010, 01:39 PM
Seems like an awful lot of stuff that could be done but isn't very realistic. The Nix-Dorn thing might be plausible if the Reds brass didn't view Dorn in the same light as Sean Henry, they just don't like either of them and don't see their value. Bruce to the 2 hole might be a realistic option and could have dramatic effects, one of the few things that I think the Reds might consider doing. However if Heisey is playing more he makes more sense in the 2 hole what with his speed and all. CoCo is an enigma at this point I'm not sure what is best for him. But demoting him is an idea that just isn't very likely to occur. Why would a contending team trade for a guy who a contending team is trading away so they can contend better? Janish playing more is probably a fair and reasonable strategy for now and they may be in the process of doing that already.

I was never implying these are things the Reds WILL do, but things the Reds COULD do to improve right away.

Mario-Rijo
07-12-2010, 01:40 PM
I was never implying these are things the Reds WILL do, but things the Reds COULD do to improve right away.

I see just an exercise, fair enough.

Hoosier Red
07-12-2010, 02:10 PM
If you demoted Cordero, who would replace him? Rhodes has struggled when made a closer in the past and he is also been worked a lot already. Dusty clearly trusts Masset the most next to Rhodes. I'm not all that opposed to a closer by committee, but that just doesn't seem like a Dusty move.

I'm pretty much against any movement in the bullpen. Even if you were able to trade for someone better than Masset or Smith or Ondrusek, the sample size to make an impact is so small, that it's not all that unlikely that anyone currently in the bullpen could give you similar results.

In my opinion unless you can get someone clearly better than Cordero in a trade, the odds of improving the bullpen through a trade are pretty small.

REDREAD
07-12-2010, 02:18 PM
a.) DFA Laynce Nix and promote Danny Dorn. Nix is better defensively, but that's it. Dorn has some of the same weaknesses as Nix (Doesn't walk a lot, stikes out quite a bit)...but Dorn's overall stats include quite a few ABs against LHP. If you look strictly at RHP, he's done very well OPSing over .900 this season. If nothing else, he would make a real platoon partner for Gomes in LF.


Nix is fine for a 5th OF, in my opinion. It's nice to have a 5th OF that can cover CF. Yes, I know that Heisley can play CF.. Bruce could in a dire pinch, but they'd like to avoid that. With the rumors that Heisley might be trade bait for a bullpen arm, they should hold onto Nix.

I guess I am not very high on Dorn. No point in bringing him up to be the 5th OF.



e.) Demote Cordero from closer. Not an easy decision with what he is getting paid, but it's got to be done. Put him in the game during spots where there are blowout leads. Or games that are out of reach. He has hurt this team this year. I'd promote Masset temporarily to take over and see how he does. It would also give Cordero some rest as he wouldn't be pitching as much.


The Phillie series showed us that the bullpen is not up to snuff as a contender. Really, I think we need 1-2 bullpen arms more than anything.
The current cast is not going to get the job done. In fact, they may cost us the division.






f.) This one is the most hypothetical, but look to deal Harang before the deadline. It would free up money this year for a pursuit and it would get the Reds off the hook for the $2M buyout at the end of the year.


Since Harang is hurt, that's going to be tough.
If Harang comes back healthy enough to trade, you might as well keep him. 2 million for a pretty solid starter for the stretch run (especially with young pitchers that might hit the wall) is a good investment. Let's worry about trying to win this year, instead of trying to save a little money next year.




g.) Play Gomes less. Especially when the team is on the road. Gomes hits .319 at home and .239 on the road.


I could agree with playing Heisley a little more, but he might get exposed if he becomes a semi-regular player. Gomes was a huge part of us taking the lead, so I can understand why Dusty is sticking with him.

fearofpopvol1
07-12-2010, 11:33 PM
Nix is fine for a 5th OF, in my opinion. It's nice to have a 5th OF that can cover CF. Yes, I know that Heisley can play CF.. Bruce could in a dire pinch, but they'd like to avoid that. With the rumors that Heisley might be trade bait for a bullpen arm, they should hold onto Nix.

I guess I am not very high on Dorn. No point in bringing him up to be the 5th OF.[/quote]

What don't you like about Dorn? Have you seen him play before? Also, the Heisey for a bullpen arm was a rumor...no merit to it.


Since Harang is hurt, that's going to be tough.
If Harang comes back healthy enough to trade, you might as well keep him. 2 million for a pretty solid starter for the stretch run (especially with young pitchers that might hit the wall) is a good investment. Let's worry about trying to win this year, instead of trying to save a little money next year.

My comment about Harang assumed that he would return after the break and would make a few good starts before the deadline. He could save the club millions between the owed salary and the option next year. Wood is likely to put up similar numbers to Harang for the reminader of the year.


I could agree with playing Heisley a little more, but he might get exposed if he becomes a semi-regular player. Gomes was a huge part of us taking the lead, so I can understand why Dusty is sticking with him.

Kind of like Gomes has gotten exposed the more he plays and his true talent level shows? We simply don't know that about Heisey until he's had a chance to play more.

Kc61
07-13-2010, 02:39 PM
IMO, the biggest need is in the bullpen. Masset and Cordero have each pitched about 40 innings - usually in meaningful spots - and their numbers tell the story. Masset has a 5.26 ERA with 20 walks in 39.1 innings. Coco has walked 22 in 40.2 innings, with six blown saves and a 4.20 ERA. Each has allowed five homers. Masset's WHIP is 1.65, Coco's is 1.55.

Together they have 88 appearances with a combined ERA in the high 4s. They pitch a lot and need to be effective.

If I were GM, I'd try to get a couple of good, experienced relievers. I'd use Coco and Masset a bit less. I'd probably give Smith some AAA time, and maybe trade Owings to make room.

I would trade some minor leaguers, and for relievers you may not have to pay a huge price in prospects.

That's what I would do.

Rojo
07-13-2010, 04:11 PM
Nix is fine for a 5th OF, in my opinion. It's nice to have a 5th OF that can cover CF. Yes, I know that Heisley can play CF.. Bruce could in a dire pinch, but they'd like to avoid that. With the rumors that Heisley might be trade bait for a bullpen arm, they should hold onto Nix.

I guess I am not very high on Dorn. No point in bringing him up to be the 5th OF.

I could live with Nix as a fifth OF (although I prefer Dickerson) but we need MORE than fifth outfielder. Gomes is a below average hitter against righties despite a .350 BABIP and an explosive May. He's trending down and is a butcher in the outfield. He needs a partner.

I suspect Dorn has big holes in his game but he might have a couple of Ben Broussard seasons in him. Why not give him a two weeks?

NJReds
07-13-2010, 04:17 PM
Find out if the White Sox are interested in trading JJ Putz.

edabbs44
07-13-2010, 07:24 PM
Find out if the White Sox are interested in trading JJ Putz.

White Sox are buyers, no?

edabbs44
07-13-2010, 07:28 PM
I could live with Nix as a fifth OF (although I prefer Dickerson) but we need MORE than fifth outfielder. Gomes is a below average hitter against righties despite a .350 BABIP and an explosive May. He's trending down and is a butcher in the outfield. He needs a partner.

I suspect Dorn has big holes in his game but he might have a couple of Ben Broussard seasons in him. Why not give him a two weeks?

I don't think now is the time for open tryouts. The team is in first, if there is a chance to materially upgrade this organization then I am sure the FO would be all over it. I don't see Dorn as fitting that bill.

fearofpopvol1
07-13-2010, 07:42 PM
I don't think now is the time for open tryouts. The team is in first, if there is a chance to materially upgrade this organization then I am sure the FO would be all over it. I don't see Dorn as fitting that bill.

If Dorn was platooned and played only against RHP, I would he shocked if his offensive numbers were worse than Nix's. See his minor league numbers.

edabbs44
07-13-2010, 09:47 PM
If Dorn was platooned and played only against RHP, I would he shocked if his offensive numbers were worse than Nix's. See his minor league numbers.

I think he was speaking of giving Dorn 2 weeks as a starter, not as a 5th OFer.

NJReds
07-13-2010, 10:29 PM
White Sox are buyers, no?

Changes day to day. Losing Peavy didn't help.

Mario-Rijo
07-13-2010, 10:36 PM
Picking up Josh Johnson would be a great start.

Will M
07-14-2010, 02:30 PM
I'm talking immediate things and less about hypothetical things. Some are more obvious than others, but they are things that would help improve the club.

(In no order):

a.) DFA Laynce Nix and promote Danny Dorn. Nix is better defensively, but that's it. Dorn has some of the same weaknesses as Nix (Doesn't walk a lot, stikes out quite a bit)...but Dorn's overall stats include quite a few ABs against LHP. If you look strictly at RHP, he's done very well OPSing over .900 this season. If nothing else, he would make a real platoon partner for Gomes in LF.

b.) Bump Bruce up to 2nd in the lineup. I think the biggest reason why he gets nothing to hit is because he hits before Stubbs, who has similar weaknesses at the plate. Put him in front of 2 players that are real threats and I think Bruce is more likely to see better pitches. I don't like this as a permanent move (because I like Phillips at 2 better), but definitely for now.

c.) Address the SS issue. Cabrera should be batting 8 or not in the lineup at all with his .612 season OPS. Janish's glove is legit. I think Janish has looked pretty good at plate as well this year. Janish should probably bat 8 too, but at least put him in the lineup more. There's no doubt he's better defensively.

d.) Give Chris Heisey more playing time. Start him all over in RF, CF, LF, just get him in the game more than a defensive substitution in the 8th or 9th inning. He's a valuable asset to the team and he's underused.

e.) Demote Cordero from closer. Not an easy decision with what he is getting paid, but it's got to be done. Put him in the game during spots where there are blowout leads. Or games that are out of reach. He has hurt this team this year. I'd promote Masset temporarily to take over and see how he does. It would also give Cordero some rest as he wouldn't be pitching as much.

f.) This one is the most hypothetical, but look to deal Harang before the deadline. It would free up money this year for a pursuit and it would get the Reds off the hook for the $2M buyout at the end of the year. He has to prove he is healthy and probably needs to pitch a few good games before the deadline...but I think a team in contention would add Harang. I think Wood could put up numbers similar to Harang for the remainder of the year.

g.) Play Gomes less. Especially when the team is on the road. Gomes hits .319 at home and .239 on the road. It also opens up more playing time for Heisey OR Dorn if he were to be called up.

I think the Reds could instantly improve the team by taking these small steps. Additional help will be needed from outside of the organization, no doubt, but these steps could be made in the interim and help the team.

Omissions? Mistakes? Anything you'd add or disagree with?

we really need a LH bat to share time in LF. Nix isn't that guy & I personally think Dickerson is not as well. this should be acquisition #1. i am ok with your suggestion of giving Dorn a shot.

i'm ambivalent about moving Bruce up in the lineup.

its months past the time when Janish should have gotten more PT. months. if the team truly feels Janish is simply utility IF material then they need to go out & get a SS. this is the biggest hole on the team. for SS its Janish or acquisition #2

agree with giving Heisey some more PT.

agree with demoting Coco. another 8th/9th inning reliever is acquisition #3.

i suspect Harang isn't going anywhere due to his contract.

Gomes would naturally get less PT if we got a LH bat & Heisey got some starts.

Now...thats 3 spots that need help (LF, SS, late inning reliever). add to this the cries for a TOR starter & thats a lot of trades for Walt to make. Replacing Nix with Dorn, replacing Cabrera with Janish, playing Heisey more & demoting Coco are all things that can be done without a trade. the one thing i see is that the new guys don't have to be that great. the 'bar is set pretty low' when you get compared to Gomes vs RHP, Cabrera & Coco.

the 4 game sweep really hurts. we were Dustified Friday night but the other three losses can be blamed on the offense. just too many holes in the lineup right now.

Rojo
07-14-2010, 03:18 PM
I think he was speaking of giving Dorn 2 weeks as a starter, not as a 5th OFer.

I'd give him some starts and a few PH ab's. He could look totally overmatched. So. Moving him up doesn't hurt. At 25 we're not worried about his option clock.