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dunner13
07-14-2010, 11:39 AM
We have two days off until we play the rockies. Seems like a great time to make a trade to me. Walt go get Josh Johnson, Im sure the Marlins would love to restock there farm system and Johnson could drive us to the playoffs for this year and many more years to come.
Also lets call up Edinson and Chapman. We need some new energy and excitement to help us get off to a good start for the second half.

bucksfan2
07-14-2010, 11:52 AM
I don't see the Marlins trading either Johnson or Ramirez. Just an off season or so ago the were basically forced my MLB to start spending money on their major league club. I don't see them up and trading two of the best players in the game just before they are to move into a new stadium.

Homer Bailey
07-14-2010, 11:57 AM
Why do people keep bringing up Josh Johnson? There is a 0% chance the Marlins deal him. They literally just signed him to an extension in January, and will need all the star players they can get when they open up their new stadium.

The Operator
07-14-2010, 12:05 PM
Why do people keep bringing up Josh Johnson? There is a 0% chance the Marlins deal him.

It's The Marlins. You never can tell with those guys.

Personally, I doubt they trade Johnson. But I believe Beinfest was recently quoted as saying they were "open to everything" with regards to trades, so, you never know.

nemesis
07-14-2010, 12:12 PM
We have two days off until we play the rockies. Seems like a great time to make a trade to me. Walt go get Josh Johnson, Im sure the Marlins would love to restock there farm system and Johnson could drive us to the playoffs for this year and many more years to come.
Also lets call up Edinson and Chapman. We need some new energy and excitement to help us get off to a good start for the second half.

It would take a starting package of Chapman to get Johnson even if he was available. Since he isn't it's a moot point. If it took Smoak and 3 Minor Leaguers to get 2 months of Lee I would even want to imagine what it would take in addition to get Johnson.

Homer Bailey
07-14-2010, 12:31 PM
It would take a starting package of Chapman to get Johnson even if he was available. Since he isn't it's a moot point. If it took Smoak and 3 Minor Leaguers to get 2 months of Lee I would even want to imagine what it would take in addition to get Johnson.

I think people continue to overrate Chapman's trade value. Any team could have had him at the current rate he is being paid, yet no one was willing to offer what the Reds offered. I would say very little has changed since then. He's basically been exactly as advertised. Hard thrower, nasty stuff, little control, unpredictable future. He's done very little to increase his value.

Chapman is not a trading chip, IMO.

Tom Servo
07-14-2010, 12:36 PM
Fun fact: Yesterday was the 4 year anniversary of what we dubbed 'The Trade', and it also went down right before we started our first post-break series against the Rockies.

Ghosts of 1990
07-14-2010, 12:58 PM
It's The Marlins. You never can tell with those guys.

Personally, I doubt they trade Johnson. But I believe Beinfest was recently quoted as saying they were "open to everything" with regards to trades, so, you never know.

I think he meant he'd listen on those guys; but it would cost you the best parts of your organization to get them.

I've heard from Buster Olney and others that they're listening on guys like Jorge Cantu and Ricky Nolasco.

Sea Ray
07-15-2010, 10:13 AM
Why do people keep bringing up Josh Johnson? There is a 0% chance the Marlins deal him. They literally just signed him to an extension in January, and will need all the star players they can get when they open up their new stadium.

It's a Redszone thing. Of course they're not going to trade him. Around here you'll see threads going on and on about acquiring guys like him, Ichiro, Matt Holliday, CC Sabathia, signing Cliff Lee, Danny Haren...

Just do what I do, roll your eyes and look for a more realistic thread

Mario-Rijo
07-15-2010, 10:51 AM
It's a Redszone thing. Of course they're not going to trade him. Around here you'll see threads going on and on about acquiring guys like him, Ichiro, Matt Holliday, CC Sabathia, signing Cliff Lee, Danny Haren...

Just do what I do, roll your eyes and look for a more realistic thread

It would be different if Beinfest didn't say "Were open to EVERYTHING". Everything would include Hanley and Johnson, even if it is a far fetched idea. Fair game to discuss at the very least IMO.

Ghosts of 1990
07-15-2010, 10:54 AM
I think we're most likely to see Walt make a deal to try and improve the team, but it will be for a marginal guy and I think we'll wait until the last minute (July 29th, July 30th-ish) and end up having to overpay or outbid another team for the guy's services.

Guys I see as a possibility are guys like Austin Kearns, Micheal Bourn, maybe finding some creative bullpen help in the AL like a Brad Zeigler; someone we haven't talked about before.

Mario-Rijo
07-15-2010, 10:56 AM
I think we're most likely to see Walt make a deal to try and improve the team, but it will be for a marginal guy and I think we'll wait until the last minute (July 29th, July 30th-ish) and end up having to overpay or outbid another team for the guy's services.

Guys I see as a possibility are guys like Austin Kearns, Micheal Bourn, maybe finding some creative bullpen help in the AL like a Brad Zeigler; someone we haven't talked about before.

Ya know I thought about Bourn a while back he would be a great fit at the top of the lineup if they are inclined to send Stubbs down at some point. Bourn is Dusty's kind of leadoff guy.

PuffyPig
07-15-2010, 11:04 AM
Ya know I thought about Bourn a while back he would be a great fit at the top of the lineup if they are inclined to send Stubbs down at some point. Bourn is Dusty's kind of leadoff guy.

Stubbs>Bourn in pretty much everything.

Yopu don't improve your team by trading valuable assets for a guy who's worse than the player he is replacing.

Sea Ray
07-15-2010, 11:06 AM
It would be different if Beinfest didn't say "Were open to EVERYTHING". Everything would include Hanley and Johnson, even if it is a far fetched idea. Fair game to discuss at the very least IMO.

GMs say a lot of things...Anyone who thinks Johnson might be traded anytime soon has issues with reality

Hoosier Red
07-15-2010, 11:24 AM
I think we're most likely to see Walt make a deal to try and improve the team, but it will be for a marginal guy and I think we'll wait until the last minute (July 29th, July 30th-ish) and end up having to overpay or outbid another team for the guy's services.

Guys I see as a possibility are guys like Austin Kearns, Micheal Bourn, maybe finding some creative bullpen help in the AL like a Brad Zeigler; someone we haven't talked about before.

I've brought this up, but I'm not sure if it makes sense to make a trade.

I just can't get the math to add up for any player not named Cliff Lee that he'd be that much of an improvement to what they currently run out there.

I think if you broke down the correct formula for any trade:

(% chance new player will play better than current player) + (% chance that improvement will result in improved postseason results) > (% chance that player being traded away will make future teams better.)

I just don't see any one player rumored to be on the market that makes the left side of the equation larger than the right side.

GoReds
07-15-2010, 11:28 AM
One trade I'd like to make:

Reds trade Homer Bailey circa 2010

to

Cincinnati Reds for Homer Bailey circa late 2009.

Ya know, when Homer was talked about being the ACE for the upcoming season.

Mario-Rijo
07-15-2010, 11:29 AM
Stubbs>Bourn in pretty much everything.

Yopu don't improve your team by trading valuable assets for a guy who's worse than the player he is replacing.

I thought Bourn had improved his game this year, apparently (looking at the numbers) that was short lived. Forget I said anything. I'll say this though Bourn is indeed a better leadoff hitter than Stubbs and leadoff with Bourn (w/ Brandon hitting 2nd) makes us a smidge better when it comes to manufacturing runs at times.

Mario-Rijo
07-15-2010, 11:34 AM
GMs say a lot of things...Anyone who thinks Johnson might be traded anytime soon has issues with reality

Again "everything" makes him fair game to discuss there isn't a thing wrong with wishful thinking.

Mario-Rijo
07-15-2010, 11:39 AM
The Braves may have upped the ante in the National League East with the acquisition of Alex Gonzalez for Yunel Escobar. Could that encourage a prompt response from the Phillies?

Phil Sheridan of the Philadelphia Inquirer writes that Wednesdays trade is "a shot across the bow" to Phillies' general manager Ruben Amaro Jr.

Sheridan says that if the Phillies truly want to raise the stakes, Amaro should consider moving Jayson Werth, but only if he can get two or more upgrades in return - a starter and reliever, for example, or an everyday infielder plus a pitcher.

Hoosier Red
07-15-2010, 11:42 AM
I'd love Jayson Werth, or I saw Corey Hart's also being mentioned and I'd be interested in either. As I remember Hart has a great arm, so essentially "going first to third would only be the way we do it" when Cincinnati is batting.

Ron Madden
07-15-2010, 11:45 AM
How about signing Russ Springer? ;)

Dan
07-15-2010, 11:58 AM
Stephen Drew would be a serious upgrade at SS position, and word is he's available.

Mario-Rijo
07-15-2010, 12:13 PM
I'd love Jayson Werth, or I saw Corey Hart's also being mentioned and I'd be interested in either. As I remember Hart has a great arm, so essentially "going first to third would only be the way we do it" when Cincinnati is batting.

It would free up dollars for Philly and a spot on the field for nearly ready Dominic Brown. I doubt they really would deal him and especially to another NL competitor but it's worth a mention.

_Sir_Charles_
07-15-2010, 01:09 PM
Stubbs>Bourn in pretty much everything.

Yopu don't improve your team by trading valuable assets for a guy who's worse than the player he is replacing.

Agreed. I watch Bourn pretty often and he's nowhere close to Stubbs in terms of skills. Little to no power, defensively they're not really close. He's Taveras with better plate discipline. Simply having a decent year on a team devoid of "decent".

RedLegSuperStar
07-15-2010, 02:06 PM
Why stop at Johnson? Why not throw in HanRam?

Johnson and Ramirez are staying put and are going to be the face of the organization for when they open their new ballpark. Hate to ruin a dream...

I can still see a Dan Haren deal.. At least I'd like too.. as well as a free agent signing of Blalock or Dye