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Orodle
07-18-2010, 05:22 PM
First let me say this isnt one of those "the sky is falling" threads that often pop up after every loss. I've been wanting to bring this up for awhile.

Although our offense has put up great numbers I can't help but get so frustrated when guys chase crap out of the zone constantly. I think our offense can be even better when opposing pitchers are trying to give us freebees.

The game Today:
-Allowing Cook to go deep into the game on a low pitch count
-countless hitters swinging at first pitches that were "a pitchers pitch"
-in the 8th, Nix getting out despite seeing 6 pitches out of the zone according to the strike zone tracker.
-Cairo swinging at a pitch 2 feet outside to start the 9th
-Heisey chasing in the dirty
-Phillips striking out despite Street not throwing a single pitch in the strike zone.

Again this isnt just something that has caught my attention today. I'm pretty convinced you dont have to throw a pitch in the zone to Phillips, often the same with Cabrera and they are our #1 and #2 hitters!.

GIDP
07-18-2010, 05:26 PM
"easier to get 200 hits than 200 walks, dude"

muddie
07-18-2010, 05:35 PM
I'll say it again, its the offense I worry about the second half, not the pitching.

NeilHamburger
07-18-2010, 05:44 PM
Yep, I'm much more worried about the offense.

And the thing is maybe they'll score 10 runs tomorrow, and everyone will be like "see, the offense is good". But they're missing the point. Good pitching dominates this team to an absurd degree. It's not just good pitching beats good hitting with this team, it's they simply don't ever score.

There's no consistancy from game to game. And that's due to poor discipline, and very low baseball IQ from both the team and the manager.

This team will absoluty destroy a pitcher if they don't have their good stuff. But if a pitcher has some decent stuff (even if they aren't a great pitcher) this team will fall over themselves to swing at crap, consequently they get dominated in a high number of games.

That's simply not how good teams play. You don't consistantly play well winning 10-1 one day, and losing 0-1 the next. Eventually you'll run into a string of good pitchers in pitchers parks (the 12 game west coast trip), and then your seasons over.

NeilHamburger
07-18-2010, 05:47 PM
I mean honestly, even with as good as our pitching is, after watching this team play up until this point does anyone have a good feeling about those 12 games out West in those pitchers parks?

If you have a bad feeling then obviously changes need to be made.

If you have a good feeling, well, then you probably are Dusty Baker.