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CarolinaRedleg
07-20-2010, 02:26 PM
Hadn't seen this on the site yet...more national pub.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tom_verducci/07/20/reds.central/index.html?eref=sihp

membengal
07-20-2010, 02:32 PM
From that article:



Rookie Travis Wood, 23, allowed the Rockies one run over six innings in his first home start on Sunday, giving him a 2.03 ERA after four big-league starts. Wood was the 60th pitcher taken in the 2005 draft, the 30th selected out of high school.

"Right now he's a solid fourth or fifth [starter]," Jocketty said, "with the potential to be a two or three one day."

yab1112
07-20-2010, 02:40 PM
That was a nice mix of "Help is on the way" and the ol' "Yea but look who it was against..."


The Reds have their flaws. They don't have a legitimate leadoff hitter. (Orlando Cabrera, who has a .292 on-base percentage and is the least patient hitter on the team, hits there most often, while overall their leadoff hitters post a .277 OBP, the worst mark in baseball.)

He makes it sound like they switch off when in reality once Dusty flipped them in the lineup it's been Phillips hitting leadoff pretty exclusively. Big difference.

Chip R
07-20-2010, 02:45 PM
That was a nice mix of "Help is on the way" and the ol' "Yea but look who it was against..."

Yeah, that bothered me.

membengal
07-20-2010, 02:50 PM
I figure it's hard for Verducci to admit he was wrong. That lets him do it. Both he and Heyman have been less than optimistic about Cincy's chances at various points throughout this season...

Hoosier Red
07-20-2010, 03:24 PM
I hate the idiotic bandbox of a stadium argument.

GABP has played about as slightly better offensive ball park than Riverfront.
This year it is playing neutral according to Baseball-Reference.(Please let me know if there's a better site.)

The dimensions aside from right field and right center are pretty much average. This was a big deal when the Reds two biggest power hitters were both lefthanded. Admittedly Votto's and Bruce are left handed, but it's not like the cheap right field fence has helped Rolen(17 HR) Gomes, Phillips, Stubbs(13 HR.)

People believed that GABP was a cheap ball park for homers because the Reds throughout the 2000's were a team built for the home run both for and against.

TRF
07-20-2010, 03:32 PM
I've always wondered about the "neutrality" of a given ballpark. Were a lot of HR's hit in GABP because of the park or because the Reds pitching kinda sucked?

Brutus
07-20-2010, 03:36 PM
I didn't take the "look who it's against" argument to be a shot. I took it at face value: that the Reds won't have a ton of land mines the last month of the season -- which in theory should greatly improve the chances they're in the race until the end.

Caveat Emperor
07-20-2010, 03:47 PM
I didn't take the "look who it's against" argument to be a shot. I took it at face value: that the Reds won't have a ton of land mines the last month of the season -- which in theory should greatly improve the chances they're in the race until the end.

Beyond even lacking land mines, they'll be playing teams that will have sold off key components and will be giving the 40 man a once-over in September.

LincolnparkRed
07-20-2010, 04:17 PM
Problem is the Indians took the Twins to the woodshed last night and MLB TV said they don't even know how to be afraid and know to lay down. That is what I worry about when you start taking wins for granted against the Astros, Pirates and Cubs of the world. As I recall Seattle swept us and KC took 2 of 3 at home.

Chip R
07-20-2010, 04:35 PM
Problem is the Indians took the Twins to the woodshed last night and MLB TV said they don't even know how to be afraid and know to lay down. That is what I worry about when you start taking wins for granted against the Astros, Pirates and Cubs of the world. As I recall Seattle swept us and KC took 2 of 3 at home.


Yep. We've played spoiler ourselves a few times over the past decade.

Mario-Rijo
07-20-2010, 04:41 PM
I didn't take the "look who it's against" argument to be a shot. I took it at face value: that the Reds won't have a ton of land mines the last month of the season -- which in theory should greatly improve the chances they're in the race until the end.

The whole thing has a bit of a backhanded compliment feel to it. I guess it's the umpteen times he brings it up. I don't recall the Cards getting hammered for their weak division brethren low these past 10+ years.

Speaking of which we are 5-7 against the Cards which means we are holding our own with the "best" in the division 2 at their place and 3 in ours.

bucksfan2
07-20-2010, 04:46 PM
I don't really buy the "easiest schedule" notion. For the most part it balances out over the course of the year. The Reds can't help it that their division sans StL is bad this year. They can't help it that they already have finished their series against Philly and the Mets. They can't help it that the have already played the majority of their games against the Cards.

Roy Tucker
07-20-2010, 04:59 PM
The Cubs and the Brewers have some talent and have been playing better lately so I wouldn't list them as creampuffs.

I wouldn't be shocked to see one of them make a run at the Reds and Cards in August.

Ghosts of 1990
07-21-2010, 05:15 AM
People believed that GABP was a cheap ball park for homers because the Reds throughout the 2000's were a team built for the home run both for and against.

wiser words have never been spoken.

Chip R
07-21-2010, 10:03 AM
The whole thing has a bit of a backhanded compliment feel to it. I guess it's the umpteen times he brings it up. I don't recall the Cards getting hammered for their weak division brethren low these past 10+ years.


To be fair, HOU has been a very good team throughout the past decade save for the last couple of years. The Cubs weren't very good at the beginning of the decade and they haven't been real good the last couple of years but in between, they have been quite formidible. MIL has been a very good team the last few years - save for this season.

Johnny Footstool
07-21-2010, 10:50 AM
The Reds are 5-7 vs. the Cardinals thusfar. Nothing to be ashamed of.

The Cardinals are 21-16 vs. the NL Central, so the Reds are doing a better job of bludgeoning this "weak" division.

kaldaniels
07-21-2010, 10:58 AM
The Cubs and the Brewers have some talent and have been playing better lately so I wouldn't list them as creampuffs.

I wouldn't be shocked to see one of them make a run at the Reds and Cards in August.

Just can't see that. They are each 43-52 now. To get to 90-72, which I still don't think will win the division, one of those teams will have to go 47-20 over the rest of the year.

Its a two horse race for the Central title.

Blitz Dorsey
07-21-2010, 11:38 AM
The whole thing has a bit of a backhanded compliment feel to it. I guess it's the umpteen times he brings it up. I don't recall the Cards getting hammered for their weak division brethren low these past 10+ years.

Speaking of which we are 5-7 against the Cards which means we are holding our own with the "best" in the division 2 at their place and 3 in ours.

I completely agree. I usually like Verducci's work, but it was like he was saying the Reds are a decent little young team that isn't quite ready for a pennant race, but because of their "weak schedule" (LOL when you're talking about a 162-game MLB season) they will remain in the race.

Plus, he obviously didn't do his homework if he still thinks Cabrera is our leadoff hitter. Maybe if he would have checked a box score from the last two months he would've realized that.

Chip R
07-21-2010, 11:40 AM
Plus, he obviously didn't do his homework if he still thinks Cabrera is our leadoff hitter. Maybe if he would have checked a box score from the last two months he would've realized that.


I hope he didn't check the box score from last night. ;)

Blitz Dorsey
07-21-2010, 11:41 AM
I hope he didn't check the box score from last night. ;)

Well, if he was basing his opinion on the days BP isn't in the lineup, then he's looking at a real small sample size. :)

BuckeyeRedleg
07-21-2010, 12:57 PM
From that article:

Wood was the 60th pitcher taken in the 2005 draft, the 30th selected out of high school.

60th player (not pitcher), Verducci.