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Kc61
07-21-2010, 12:35 AM
I got offline for a while, but why would you bring in Cordero if you double switched? Bruce>Nix in RF, no?


Dusty does this frequently. I think the idea is to give the manager flexibility to leave the pitcher, here Rhodes, in the game if he chooses to.

Here, he's decided to go with Coco.

forfreelin04
07-21-2010, 12:35 AM
I'm going with tie game here reds44

reds44
07-21-2010, 12:35 AM
Do not let Dunn bat with a guy on base.

fearofpopvol1
07-21-2010, 12:35 AM
1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2010, 12:35 AM
Morse flies out to right. 1 out.

nemesis
07-21-2010, 12:36 AM
Lately all I've seen is a tendency to hit a grounder to second with less than 2 outs. I'm slowly coming around to disliking OC. He hasn't hit the way I thought he would at Gabp.

OPSing .555 prior to his 0-4 tonight with a walk vs RHP. Speed up coming around.

durl
07-21-2010, 12:36 AM
Not sure I can watch this.

May turn it off and follow along just the comments in here.

That's what I'm doing. :)

reds44
07-21-2010, 12:36 AM
That Morse ball scared the poop out of me.

kbrake
07-21-2010, 12:36 AM
Cordero vs. Dunn.



I'm scared.

fearofpopvol1
07-21-2010, 12:36 AM
2 outs!

reds44
07-21-2010, 12:36 AM
2 outs.

forfreelin04
07-21-2010, 12:36 AM
He had a nice series against the Rockies.

Your right but I had higher expectations for the season thus far.

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2010, 12:36 AM
Desmond grounds out to short. 2 outs.

membengal
07-21-2010, 12:36 AM
BIG second out there.

Chip R
07-21-2010, 12:36 AM
You wonder if these guys read a scouting report. Morse swings at the 1st 2 pitches to him.

Kc61
07-21-2010, 12:36 AM
Can someone recite Casey at the Bat?

kaldaniels
07-21-2010, 12:36 AM
If CoCo goes 1 2 3 here he deserves a week off from any whipping boy posts.

reds44
07-21-2010, 12:37 AM
2 more.

dsmith421
07-21-2010, 12:37 AM
Cordero vs. Dunn

Yikes.

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2010, 12:37 AM
0-1 count

reds44
07-21-2010, 12:37 AM
If CoCo goes 1 2 3 here he deserves a week off from any whipping boy posts.
Agreed.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2010, 12:37 AM
Dunn's reenge?

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2010, 12:37 AM
1-1 count

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2010, 12:37 AM
2-1 count

dsmith421
07-21-2010, 12:37 AM
Here we go.

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2010, 12:38 AM
3-1 count

fearofpopvol1
07-21-2010, 12:38 AM
Not a good count to be in, 3-1.

mdccclxix
07-21-2010, 12:38 AM
walk him

Screwball
07-21-2010, 12:38 AM
2-1 count

Just a bit outside.

reds44
07-21-2010, 12:38 AM
Throw him the slider.

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2010, 12:38 AM
Full count.

mdccclxix
07-21-2010, 12:38 AM
ho my that was too close

fearofpopvol1
07-21-2010, 12:38 AM
walk him

and face zimmerman? who already clubbed 1 tonight? no thanks.

VR
07-21-2010, 12:38 AM
There's no rule in baseball that you must have a long man. Many teams don't.

Two out for the Reds.

gee golly KC, thanks for educating me!

reds44
07-21-2010, 12:38 AM
Thank God.

fearofpopvol1
07-21-2010, 12:38 AM
REDS WIN!!

dsmith421
07-21-2010, 12:38 AM
Oh, we got bailed out.

mdccclxix
07-21-2010, 12:38 AM
gimme dat!!!

mbgrayson
07-21-2010, 12:38 AM
Cordero vs. Dunn.

And this one belongs to the Reds, as Dunn Ks called #3.

VR
07-21-2010, 12:39 AM
Horrible call.

WE WILL TAKE IT!!!

Homer Bailey
07-21-2010, 12:39 AM
I will take that call.

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2010, 12:39 AM
:beerme: Dunn strikes out looking. Dunn is pissed. Whew. Reds win 8-7!!!!

kaldaniels
07-21-2010, 12:39 AM
Perfect location. Dunn has to swing there even if its a bit low.

mdccclxix
07-21-2010, 12:39 AM
and face zimmerman? who already clubbed 1 tonight? no thanks.

walk him too! jk

membengal
07-21-2010, 12:39 AM
NEVER IN DOUBT!!!

(exhales s.l.o.w.l.y)

RedsManRick
07-21-2010, 12:39 AM
Thank you blue!

Danny Serafini
07-21-2010, 12:39 AM
Dunn does not look the slightest bit happy, but I'll take it!

fearofpopvol1
07-21-2010, 12:39 AM
What's weird is that the ump didn't call that earlier in the count...and I thought the pitch earlier in the count was closer to a strike than the K pitch was.

Chip R
07-21-2010, 12:39 AM
I'm surprised Dunn didn't hit a HR to tie it up just to make Marty mad.

Bad call on strike 3.

CTA513
07-21-2010, 12:39 AM
Nobody should complain about Reds pitchers getting squeezed as Cordero just got ball 4 called strike 3.

mdccclxix
07-21-2010, 12:39 AM
who are these umps? i think they had the over tonight and needed that to hit...

CrackerJack
07-21-2010, 12:39 AM
We've certainly seen good Coco lately

dsmith421
07-21-2010, 12:40 AM
Masset-Rhodes-Cordero: 9 men up, 9 men down.

nemesis
07-21-2010, 12:40 AM
Ump was ready to go home. Didn't want extras.

membengal
07-21-2010, 12:40 AM
Man, I will take it any way we can get it, after that.

Maybe holding onto one rather than seeing it slip away will exorcise the demons.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2010, 12:40 AM
We had them all the way (with apologies to the late Bob Prince)

mbgrayson
07-21-2010, 12:40 AM
Horrible call.

WE WILL TAKE IT!!!

Quite right. Gameday showed the last one low and inside. But the ump was tired and ready to go home after the long rain delay.

reds44
07-21-2010, 12:40 AM
Cordero is pitching completely different (so far) in the second half.

PuffyPig
07-21-2010, 12:40 AM
While the Reds certainly made it way too interesting, I'll give the bullpen big credit for retiring the last 10 batters in a row.

reds44
07-21-2010, 12:41 AM
Owings and Bray were bad, everybody else played well.

No complaints.

forfreelin04
07-21-2010, 12:41 AM
If I'm dunn I let blue hear it all the way back to the parking lot. Votto would have lost it.

flyer85
07-21-2010, 12:41 AM
ump was late for that dinner reservation

VR
07-21-2010, 12:42 AM
While the Reds certainly made it way too interesting, I'll give the bullpen big credit for retiring the last 10 batters in a row.

Nonsense...they should have retire the last 12 in a row. Massett in the 6th, Rhodes in the 7th, Cordero in the 8th. Oh, wait....I guess we do need to use our other guys in the 6th.

membengal
07-21-2010, 12:42 AM
Nats announcers on MASN are aghast over that strike three call.

Can't say I blame them. Having been on the other side of that kind of call this year, glad to have it come back the Reds way in this case.

reds44
07-21-2010, 12:43 AM
Nearly 6 hours later, that one would have sucked to lose.

forfreelin04
07-21-2010, 12:43 AM
A win is a win is a win, no matter how ugly.

kaldaniels
07-21-2010, 12:43 AM
Don't kill me but on that pitch I gotta think Dunn was up there looking for a walk on the 3-2 count. How he watched that go by is beyond me. Gotta expand your zone at 1240 in the morning.

Homer Bailey
07-21-2010, 12:43 AM
Perfect 7-8-9 by Masset-Rhodes-Coco if I remember correctly.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2010, 12:44 AM
While the Reds certainly made it way too interesting, I'll give the bullpen big credit for retiring the last 10 batters in a row.Yep, and fortunately the good guys came through. After Masset's troubles early in the season, he's been quite good, Rhodes is just automatic and Codero is pitching well these days. The team must look at Owings and Bray. Owings has not been much more than a younger Josh Fogg and there's no evidence to suggest anything else. Bray has good stuff, but refuses to put hitters away. Time to make some decisions, but I doubt they will.

Redsfan320
07-21-2010, 12:44 AM
What dooo you know- Reds win!

320

reds44
07-21-2010, 12:45 AM
Yep, and fortunately the good guys came through. After Masset's troubles early in the season, he's been quite good, Rhodes is just automatic and Codero is pitching well these days. The team must look at Owings and Bray. Owings has not been much more than a younger Josh Fogg and there's no evidence to suggest anything else. Bray has good stuff, but refuses to put hitters away. Time to make some decisions, but I doubt they will.
I honestly think you'll see Isringhausen and Chapman up here in the next month.

mbgrayson
07-21-2010, 12:45 AM
Nats announcers on MASN are aghast over that strike three call.

Can't say I blame them. Having been on the other side of that kind of call this year, glad to have it come back the Reds way in this case.

It wasn;t a good call. However, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to guess that the umps aren't going to want to hand out walks on close pitches. Like all of us, they are tired. Dunn too often relies on the walk. The problem with that is that with two strikes, you have to protect the plate and swing at anything close. That pitch was a ball, but it was also close enough to swing at....

Benihana
07-21-2010, 12:46 AM
After a horrific April, Masset has been outstanding. I worry about a late season collapse from Arthur Rhodes. The guy has been almost too good.

Benihana
07-21-2010, 12:46 AM
It wasn;t a good call. However, it doesn't take rocket scientist to guess that the umps aren't going to want to hand out walks on close pitches. Like all of us, they are tired. Dunn too often relies on the walk. The problem with that is that with two strikes, you have to protect the plate and swing at anything close. That pitch was a ball, but it was also close enough to swing at....

This.

RED VAN HOT
07-21-2010, 12:47 AM
Dusty's strength is also his weakness. Players like him because he is a player's manager. Sometimes, however, that tendency to let them play can be costly. LaRussa would have used 4 pitchers in the sixth inning. On the other hand, LaRussa often over manages. It is an interesting contrast in styles.

kaldaniels
07-21-2010, 12:50 AM
You gotta pay attention to you interview Piceiro, or Votto will call you on it.

CTA513
07-21-2010, 12:51 AM
It wasn;t a good call. However, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to guess that the umps aren't going to want to hand out walks on close pitches. Like all of us, they are tired. Dunn too often relies on the walk. The problem with that is that with two strikes, you have to protect the plate and swing at anything close. That pitch was a ball, but it was also close enough to swing at....


I hope the Reds don't lose some games in the future because the umps are tired and want to go home.

membengal
07-21-2010, 12:51 AM
Beni and mbgray:

I guess. That was low and inside, not really a pitch that Dunn could handle.

Don't get me wrong, I am thrilled the ump decided he was tired and ready to get back to the hotel, but I can't knock Dunn for not swinging. It wasn't THAT close.

Just glad to get out of this one with a win.

I really would start to worry about the team's psyche if they had let another game like this get away.

kaldaniels
07-21-2010, 12:52 AM
I hope the Reds don't lose some games in the future because the umps are tired and want to go home.

Nature of the beast my friend. Gotta anticipate.

VR
07-21-2010, 12:56 AM
After a horrific April, Masset has been outstanding. I worry about a late season collapse from Arthur Rhodes. The guy has been almost too good.

yep.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2010, 12:58 AM
Well, tomorrow is doomsday if you listen to the talking heads on ESPN, MLB, FOX and read the papers. The reincarnation of Sandy Koufax, Tom Seaver, Cy Young, and the young J.R. Richard will strike out 20 and make our team look like fools tomorrow night. The lowly, soft throwing Bronson Arroyo will allow a run and the rest will be history. NOthing would make me feel better than to blast the kid into reality, but not likely to happen. But it would be sweet of not unrealistic. Here's hoping Phillips, Rolen, and the rest of the successful cast can play and do some business. but if not, let's win on Thursday afternoon in one of those crazy "businessmen's specials," and being a businessman, I've never figured out how I could ever go to one of those games. Maybe they should be called retirement specials--those are the only guys who could be able to attend.

VR
07-21-2010, 12:58 AM
Yep, and fortunately the good guys came through. After Masset's troubles early in the season, he's been quite good, Rhodes is just automatic and Codero is pitching well these days. The team must look at Owings and Bray. Owings has not been much more than a younger Josh Fogg and there's no evidence to suggest anything else. Bray has good stuff, but refuses to put hitters away. Time to make some decisions, but I doubt they will.

Bray walked a guy, it happens. He then gave up a triple on a pitch 6 inches out of the zone. It happens.

He then gave up a single on a ball our regular 3rd basemen would have had. It happens.

Bill Bray has an excellent arm, excellent stuff, and for the most part, hasn't pitched in a year. He's going to have blips, but getting him ready for September is the key here.

CTA513
07-21-2010, 01:01 AM
Nature of the beast my friend. Gotta anticipate.

A bad call is a bad call no matter how long the game has been going on.
It wasn't that long ago that Rolen got screwed on a bad call and I didn't see anyone trying to justify it then.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2010, 01:10 AM
Bray walked a guy, it happens. He then gave up a triple on a pitch 6 inches out of the zone. It happens.

He then gave up a single on a ball our regular 3rd basemen would have had. It happens.

Bill Bray has an excellent arm, excellent stuff, and for the most part, hasn't pitched in a year. He's going to have blips, but getting him ready for September is the key here.

I really can't see the fascination, VR, even though I respect your opinion very much. The kid has been hurt and I have much empathy for him coming back after so much adversity, but since the trade in 2006, he's pitched a total of 94 innings (before tonight), allowing 102 hits and 41 earned runs with an ERA of 3.92, which will be much higher after tonight. His lack of ability to put batters away after getting ahead in the count is a concern. I can't see him doing much better than anyone else not named Masset, Rhodes, or Logan O. So I place no faith in him because he deserves none at this point.

VR
07-21-2010, 01:26 AM
I really can't see the fascination, VR, even though I respect your opinion very much. The kid has been hurt and I have much empathy for him coming back after so much adversity, but since the trade in 2006, he's pitched a total of 94 innings (before tonight), allowing 102 hits and 41 earned runs with an ERA of 3.92, which will be much higher after tonight. His lack of ability to put batters away after getting ahead in the count is a concern. I can't see him doing much better than anyone else not named Masset, Rhodes, or Logan O. So I place no faith in him because he deserves none at this point.

Before tonight, he had gone 5 2/3 innings...giving up 1 hit and striking out 6.


He's got the potential.....and I agree that he isn't there yet, but he's got plus stuff as a lefty, and that there is a lot more reward than risk for me at this point. But, he has to prove he can do it, I agree w/ you on that.

Will M
07-21-2010, 01:36 AM
Before tonight, he had gone 5 2/3 innings...giving up 1 hit and striking out 6.


He's got the potential.....and I agree that he isn't there yet, but he's got plus stuff as a lefty, and that there is a lot more reward than risk for me at this point. But, he has to prove he can do it, I agree w/ you on that.

I am certainly willing to give Bray some slack. Owings is a different story. IMO he is one of the 2 guys on the roster that should be given his walking papers.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2010, 01:48 AM
I am certainly willing to give Bray some slack. Owings is a different story. IMO he is one of the 2 guys on the roster that should be given his walking papers.I totally agree. After all the hype after the Dunn trade that he was the reason they moved the Big Donkey, I expected the sore-armed pitcher to be something special. He clearly is not. Yes, he can hit, so maybe he needs to do the reverse Mel Queen move and try to make it as a hitter. I think that might be his only chance. Time to cut bait and move on.

TheNext44
07-21-2010, 01:52 AM
While the Reds certainly made it way too interesting, I'll give the bullpen big credit for retiring the last 10 batters in a row.

Great point. However horrible the 6th inning was, the 7th, 8th and 9th was just as impressive. The key was Masset who refused to be affected by the 6th inning collapse and just pitched calmly and effectively. It would have been really easy for the Reds pen to fold and lose this game as well, but Masset, Rhodes and Cordero were nails when it really counted.

SirFelixCat
07-21-2010, 10:33 AM
after such a long layoff you have to expect anything. Dusty doesn't want to pitch Owings but by not pitching him he is asking for trouble when he runs him out there every other week. There really is no reason for Owings to be on this roster.

This is pretty much spot on.

_Sir_Charles_
07-21-2010, 11:07 AM
What happened to all the Owings fans when it was Masset who was struggling earlier in the year? Lots of people were clamoring for Micah because he was so darned good. He's a mediocre pitcher and has pretty much always been one. He gets slack because of his bat. But if he's not pitching regularly and certainly not hitting at all...he's a wasted roster slot. One of the young starters could easily fill the long-man reliever roll he's filling.

CaiGuy
07-21-2010, 01:50 PM
While I don't particularly like standing around watching rain fall on GABP for two hours, it's nice to get the free upgrade for the last half of the game. The view from behind the Reds' dugout sure is nice! :)

Plus, being closer to action makes it so much easier to start up wild Corky Miller rallies! Some how for the last two years ever game I go to has him starting, so I have to have fun with it.