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Homer Bailey
07-22-2010, 12:31 PM
Phillips 2B
Cabrera SS
Bruce RF
Gomes LF
Hernandez 1B
Stubbs CF
Cairo 3B
Hanigan C
Volquez

vs. Livan Hernandez


Morgan CF
Bernadina RF
Zimmerman 3B
Dunn 1B
Guzman SS
Harris LF
Kennedy 2B
Nieves C
Hernandez P

redsfan30
07-22-2010, 12:33 PM
Ouch.

That being said, anytime there are four pages of lineup complaints, said lineup generally produces and wins.

I have a good feeling about today, even with Jay Bruce in the three hole.

Homer Bailey
07-22-2010, 12:33 PM
Testing my undefeated record in a day with no Rolen or Votto.... That's how confident I am today!

PuffyPig
07-22-2010, 12:42 PM
Funny, Cairo bats 6th with a better lineup, falls to 7th with more regulars out.

Stubbs hasn't batted anywhere other than 7th for awhile.

medford
07-22-2010, 12:45 PM
You would think Gomes would enhance his value (as well as his playing time) if he could/would play 1b, especially as the right handed bat to rest Votto vs lefties on days off.

cumberlandreds
07-22-2010, 12:49 PM
Both teams putting out some backups. Harris,Kennedy and Nieves are all backups for the Nats. Guess we will see who has the best bench today.

Redsfan320
07-22-2010, 01:02 PM
No PBP for me today. I usually do it for the matinee games, but I have a bit of a cold and kinda' feel like crap.

320

PuffyPig
07-22-2010, 01:03 PM
Both teams putting out some backups. Harris,Kennedy and Nieves are all backups for the Nats. Guess we will see who has the best bench today.

The bench will likely have less to with who wins today that the majority of regulars still playing, the starting pitchers and the bullpens.

Edd Roush
07-22-2010, 01:26 PM
Can anyone do PBP for those of us stuck at work today?

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 01:30 PM
I'll try to do it.

Homer Bailey
07-22-2010, 01:33 PM
I'll help after lunch...

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 01:37 PM
Volquez throwing 92 mph according to the Nationals radar gun.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 01:37 PM
Morgan walks on five pitches, all fastballs.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 01:40 PM
Morgan steals second. Not a good start 2-1 count

TheNext44
07-22-2010, 01:41 PM
Uhg. I have to listen to Dibble and Carpenter the whole game.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 01:42 PM
F8, Morgan tags up and goes to third, appeared out to me.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 01:43 PM
Replay shows that it could have went either way.

TheNext44
07-22-2010, 01:43 PM
Bang bang at third. Looked out, but only because I wanted him to be out. Can't blame the ump on that one.

JaxRed
07-22-2010, 01:44 PM
Bad TV there. That screamed for a super slow-mo replay. I think he was out

cumberlandreds
07-22-2010, 01:44 PM
Uhg. I have to listen to Dibble and Carpenter the whole game.


Carpenter was pretty good at one time. But Dibble has brought him down to his level these days.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 01:44 PM
3U, run scores. Nats score a run without getting a hit.

nate
07-22-2010, 01:44 PM
Is the game on the mlb network?

cumberlandreds
07-22-2010, 01:45 PM
Is the game on the mlb network?

Yes.

The Voice of IH
07-22-2010, 01:45 PM
nate, yes

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 01:45 PM
Is the game on the mlb network?

Not sure, I'm in Nats territory so I've got the game on MASN.

TheNext44
07-22-2010, 01:46 PM
MLB network is showing the Nat's feed, so not much help for me. Nice if you don't have Extra Innnings.

Blitz Dorsey
07-22-2010, 01:46 PM
Dusty and these damn getaway day lineups he comes up with. He tries to be too cute every time. This race is going to be decided by a game or two, we can't afford to give our best players a day off, especially when other key players are on the shelf. Amazing. I always cringe to see what Dusty is going to come up with on the final day of every series.

TheNext44
07-22-2010, 01:47 PM
The Reds rarely telecast day games during the week. Does Welsh like to party late?

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 01:47 PM
Dunn K's

1-0 Nats after the top of the first.

TheNext44
07-22-2010, 01:49 PM
Carpenter was pretty good at one time. But Dibble has brought him down to his level these days.

You're right, Carpenter was fine in St. Louis. He pretty insufferable now. I'll blame Dibble too.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 01:49 PM
The Reds rarely telecast day games during the week. Does Welsh like to party late?

It doesn't matter to me as I'm out of the area and have MLB Extra Innings but the fact that they aren't broadcasting the Cardinals day game next month is brutal. That could be a huge game in deciding the division.

PuffyPig
07-22-2010, 01:51 PM
Dusty and these damn getaway day lineups he comes up with. He tries to be too cute every time. This race is going to be decided by a game or two, we can't afford to give our best players a day off, especially when other key players are on the shelf. Amazing. I always cringe to see what Dusty is going to come up with on the final day of every series.

You know, giving players a day off is not with a view to losing. The theory is that by giving days off you actaully will win more games over the course of a season. And pretty much everyone connected to baseball prescribes to that theory.

I don't think you can expect every player to play 162 games a season.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 01:51 PM
Phillips flys out to RF.

TheNext44
07-22-2010, 01:51 PM
Somewhere hidden in Livan Hernandez's house is a video of him that pitches worse as he gets older. :cool:

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 01:52 PM
Cabrera base hit

RedsMan3203
07-22-2010, 01:52 PM
Did BP try that fake bunt on the 1st pitch?

reds44
07-22-2010, 01:52 PM
Did BP try that fake bunt on the 1st pitch?
He does it everytime lol

Gallen5862
07-22-2010, 01:53 PM
I was not able to get the Reds game on Espn Last night nor the Reds game on MLB Network today. Nor the 2 previous days on MLB Extra innings. I live in NC so why can't I get the game since its a Reds Home game?

cumberlandreds
07-22-2010, 01:53 PM
You're right, Carpenter was fine in St. Louis. He pretty insufferable now. I'll blame Dibble too.

Carpenter teamed with Don Sutton for a couple of seasons in DC and he was good then. He coattails everything Dibble says which is nothing but manure most of the time.

durl
07-22-2010, 01:53 PM
So why is Bruce batting 3rd?

MikeS21
07-22-2010, 01:53 PM
The Reds rarely telecast day games during the week. Does Welsh like to party late?
It may have more to do with the fact that people don't want to tell their boss they are going to take the afternoon off for a family funeral, and then sneaking off to the ball game instead! :eek:

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 01:54 PM
Bruce flys out to LF.

PuffyPig
07-22-2010, 01:54 PM
So why is Bruce batting 3rd?

Cairo is being saved for a power spot....

Cedric
07-22-2010, 01:54 PM
You know, giving players a day off is not with a view to losing. The theory is that by giving days off you actaully will win more games over the course of a season. And pretty much everyone connected to baseball prescribes to that theory.

I don't think you can expect every player to play 162 games a season.

That's all fine and dandy...

Still kinda stings considering the 1-0 losses lately, the Cardinals rolling, and Rolen out..

I can't disagree with the notion that today wasn't the best day for our best player to be out.

durl
07-22-2010, 01:54 PM
Cairo is being saved for a power spot....

Why not put Stubbs up there? He's speedy, you know. And he's been more productive than Bruce lately.

cumberlandreds
07-22-2010, 01:55 PM
I was not able to get the Reds game on Espn Last night nor the Reds game on MLB Network today. Nor the 2 previous days on MLB Extra innings. I live in NC so why can't I get the game since its a Reds Home game?

You are either in Reds or Nats territory under the MLB black out map. Not good either way for you.

PuffyPig
07-22-2010, 01:55 PM
I can't disagree with the notion that today wasn't the best day for our best player to be out.

It's never a good day to sit your best player.

But a home game vs. the Nats is as good as time as ever, especially when you know they are sitting some regulars too.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 01:56 PM
Gomes K's looking

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 01:59 PM
Guzman K's looking

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 02:00 PM
Gallen, I live closer to Cincinnati, Atlanta, and Pittsburgh yet I'm in the DC market? It's the dumbest thing in sports, it would take me 8 hours to drive from my house to DC. Everybody that lives here is either a Reds or Braves fan. Now, the even dumber thing is the fact that MASN is not provided on local cable here. So, if you had cable there was no way to see last nights game, period.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 02:01 PM
Harris walks after Volquez was ahead 0-2

Reds Freak
07-22-2010, 02:02 PM
It's just inexcusable to walk guys like Morgan, Harris, etc. Painful...

cumberlandreds
07-22-2010, 02:02 PM
You just can't walk a .170 hitter. :(

nate
07-22-2010, 02:02 PM
Chat is open!

And the game is on MLBN.

durl
07-22-2010, 02:03 PM
Gallen, I live closer to Cincinnati, Atlanta, and Pittsburgh yet I'm in the DC market? It's the dumbest thing in sports, it would take me 8 hours to drive from my house to DC. Everybody that lives here is either a Reds or Braves fan. Now, the even dumber thing is the fact that MASN is not provided on local cable here. So, if you had cable there was no way to see last nights game, period.

You must remember that you're talking about MLB, the commissioner's office and owners. The markets are absurdly drawn...and will stay that way.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 02:04 PM
Home plate umpire's strike zone is a postage stamp.

durl
07-22-2010, 02:04 PM
Volquez' strike zone problems early are not a good thing. Gameday showed 2 pitches in a row solidly in the strike zone but called balls.

Cedric
07-22-2010, 02:05 PM
Absolute worst strike zone for Volquez.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 02:06 PM
Kennedy walks.

durl
07-22-2010, 02:06 PM
37 pitches in 1 1/3 innings. Volquez will be done by the 3rd inning at this pace.

TheNext44
07-22-2010, 02:08 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if MLB asked the umps to call a tighter strike zone to increase scoring. It really seems like it has gotten smaller since the season started.

durl
07-22-2010, 02:09 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if MLB asked the umps to call a tighter strike zone to increase scoring. It really seems like it has gotten smaller since the season started.

I dunno. I've seen some games where umps called strikes that appeared to be 4-6 inches outside.

JaxRed
07-22-2010, 02:09 PM
Who's our long man today?

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 02:10 PM
Volquez has just walked the bases loaded.

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:10 PM
these guys are not going to swing...walked the bases loaded

Cedric
07-22-2010, 02:10 PM
3-2 curveball.

Gotta wonder what the hell Hanigan is thinking right now.

TheNext44
07-22-2010, 02:10 PM
Volquez is throwing strikes. The ump just isn't calling them. He had the last hitter K'd twice.

CTA513
07-22-2010, 02:11 PM
Who's our long man today?

My guess would be Fisher.

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:11 PM
3-2 curveball.

Gotta wonder what the hell Hanigan is thinking right now.

Hannigan looks into the dugout for the pitch

Kc61
07-22-2010, 02:11 PM
Price is really chewing off Volquez' ear. That last pitch to Nieves was some kind of curve. Should have just thrown the fastball by him.

The ump has a tight zone but I've seen a lot worse. V has to come in more.

Ball one to the pitcher.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 02:12 PM
Base hit for Livan, 2-0 Nats, bases still loaded just 1 out. When the Reds bat again I hope they just stand there. This is ridiculous.

Cedric
07-22-2010, 02:12 PM
Base hit for Livan, 2-0 Nats, bases still loaded no outs. When the Reds bat again I hope they just stand there. This is ridiculous.

Nah.. Somehow he got the 5 hitter out to start this inning.

durl
07-22-2010, 02:13 PM
First pitch to Livan was clearly a strike according to Gameday. What's this ump watching?

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 02:13 PM
Yea, it was so long ago I forgot.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 02:14 PM
3-0 Nationals on a 6-4 FC, 2 outs.

Cedric
07-22-2010, 02:14 PM
And with this lineup the game is probably over...

Gonna take a Reds break. Just expect the worst right now.

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:14 PM
Dusty might as well start on the umps and get himself booted...Volquez will bedone by the 4th at this rate.

JaxRed
07-22-2010, 02:15 PM
And nearly every pitch to Morgan was actually a ball

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 02:16 PM
And with this lineup the game is probably over...

Gonna take a Reds break. Just expect the worst right now.

Why? Even if they lose today it's a 4-3 home stand. It's not the end of the world. Morgan stole his second base of the day.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 02:16 PM
Guzman K's. 3-0 Nats

durl
07-22-2010, 02:16 PM
I'd take Volquez out just so the ump can clear his cache and start recognizing strikes.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 02:16 PM
I'll bbl somebody else take over pbp

flyer85
07-22-2010, 02:17 PM
not sure I would push Volquez any farther on this day.

cumberlandreds
07-22-2010, 02:17 PM
Why? Even if they lose today it's a 4-3 home stand. It's not the end of the world. Morgan stole his second base of the day.

I'm not disagreeing with you but you have to beat the Nats 3 of 4. If the Reds are going to go to the playoffs you have to beat up on teams like the Nats.

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:18 PM
Volquez is not going to be taken out at this point unless he is hurt. 53 pitched so far.

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:19 PM
Hernendez...Stubbs....Cairo in the 2nd

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:20 PM
Hernandez lines out hard to 2nd

Kc61
07-22-2010, 02:20 PM
Volquez is not going to be taken out at this point unless he is hurt. 53 pitched so far.


Inevitable that Volquez would have some command issues after his injury layoff. And he did have command issues there. It wasn't just the umpire.

Reds can come back in this one, hopefully, but the pitching is to blame in this series. Owings, Bray, Arroyo, now Volquez with subpar outings.

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:21 PM
Stubbs fights off a 62 mph curve ball and strike out looking on an 86 mph fastball

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:22 PM
Cairo 5-8 in the series so far....grounds out to 3rd...on to the 3rd inning

Cedric
07-22-2010, 02:22 PM
Zimmerman makes a great play.. It's a day game and their two stars are in the lineup and showing up.

Kc61
07-22-2010, 02:24 PM
Zimmerman makes a great play.. It's a day game and their two stars are in the lineup and showing up.


Votto needed a day off. He hasn't looked like himself at the plate. I would have preferred the day off Sunday in Houston against a lefty. But I can understand giving him the off day as soon as possible to help get him on track.

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:26 PM
Zimmerman lines a single to left...Dunn up 0-11 in the series

VR
07-22-2010, 02:27 PM
3-2 curveball.

Gotta wonder what the hell Hanigan is thinking right now.

He's probably thinking "I sure wish I was catching Volquez today, I call a much better game than Razor"

CTA513
07-22-2010, 02:28 PM
Zimmerman lines a single to left...Dunn up 0-11 in the series

I blame you for this jinx.

Kc61
07-22-2010, 02:28 PM
He's probably thinking "I sure wish I was catching Volquez today, I call a much better game than Razor"

Hanigan is catching. Razor is at first. Right?

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:28 PM
Dunn hits his 23rd HR...5 to 0 Nats

VR
07-22-2010, 02:29 PM
Hanigan is catching. Razor is at first. Right?

ahh, got it. In that case he's probably thinking..."wow, I suck today"

flyer85
07-22-2010, 02:30 PM
like I mentioned last inning. No reason for Volquez to continue. He obviously doesn't have it today and there is no reason to push it.

MWM
07-22-2010, 02:30 PM
I don't have the best angle, but from my seats it looks like the strike zone is non-existent for Volquez. Hanigan is hardly moving his glove and everything is a ball. Unless Hanigan is setting up outside the zone, something is seriously wrong with this ump.

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:30 PM
Hanigan is catching. Razor is at first. Right?

You are correct...

Cedric
07-22-2010, 02:30 PM
like I mentioned last inning. No reason for Volquez to continue. He obviously doesn't have it today and there is no reason to push it.

It was the right call...
Dusty likes to make the fun decisions. He likes to tinker and pat someone on the back and tell them they are playing today.

He still can't manage a pitching staff to save his life.

CTA513
07-22-2010, 02:31 PM
Put Fisher in, no reason to leave Volquez in with the way hes pitching.

mdccclxix
07-22-2010, 02:31 PM
Let Volquez get some work in.

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:31 PM
Guzman k's for the first out of the inning

Kc61
07-22-2010, 02:32 PM
I'm reading a lot of excuses. Fact is that Volquez's control is out of whack today.

And why take him out? The guy hasn't pitched in a year, let him get the reps, let him get used to pitching at this level again. Give him the work.

Plenty of time for Fisher in the later innings.

mdccclxix
07-22-2010, 02:32 PM
Oh now the the K zone is a mile wide. Thanks ump.

OesterPoster
07-22-2010, 02:33 PM
Volquez due up in the bottom of the inning. We'll see if he pinch hits for him. What's he up to here, about 70 pitches already?

flyer85
07-22-2010, 02:33 PM
He still can't manage a pitching staff to save his life.My problem with the pitching is that he manages every game like it is the last game. He never seems to consider the big picture, it is win at all costs.

Reds Fanatic
07-22-2010, 02:33 PM
Volquez is already at 70 pitches (35 strikes, 35 balls)

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:33 PM
Harris is up...batting 185...full count...drives a double off the top of the wall

Kc61
07-22-2010, 02:34 PM
Harris is up...batting 185...full count...drives a double off the top of the wall

That may have been gone.

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:34 PM
might be ruled a home run

dougdirt
07-22-2010, 02:34 PM
So I just walked in.... What happened?!

Cedric
07-22-2010, 02:35 PM
My problem with the pitching is that he manages every game like it is the last game. He never seems to consider the big picture, it is win at all costs.

Well of course. The guy is going to kill Arthur anytime now.

flyer85
07-22-2010, 02:35 PM
And why take him out? The guy hasn't pitched in a year, let him get the reps, let him get used to pitching at this level again. Give him the work.
less the a year removed from TJ surgery(he is way ahead of the normal schedule). Letting him pitch as many high stress innings as possible sounds like a wonderful idea.

He needs to be treated with kid gloves through the end of the season (it won't happen with Dusty as his manager)

Kc61
07-22-2010, 02:36 PM
Well of course. The guy is going to kill Arthur anytime now.


Why is it time to beat up on Dusty? What did he do wrong here?

Volquez's control is off and is now getting pounded. Not Dusty's fault.

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:36 PM
Umpires are going to take a look...off to watch a movie...hard to tell on the replay...ruled not a HR...triple...kennedy up

Cedric
07-22-2010, 02:37 PM
Why is it time to beat up on Dusty? What did he do wrong here?

Volquez's control is off and is now getting pounded. Not Dusty's fault.

The guy is throwing high stress pitches here. His mechanics are completely out of whack. This is when a guy gets hurt.

I'm just stating that Dusty kills pitchers and that's not Chicago/Prior hype. He just beats these guys down.

klw
07-22-2010, 02:37 PM
So I just walked in.... What happened?!

Nothing good.
1st
walk steal sf ground out 1 run

2nd
3 walks in a row on full counts
hit by picher, 1 run
ground out, 1 run

3rd
double by Zim
Oppo by Dunn

5-0

flyer85
07-22-2010, 02:37 PM
The guy is throwing high stress pitches here. His mechanics are completely out of whack. This is when a guy gets hurt.
nah he just needs to keep throwing to work those kinks out. :eek:

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:38 PM
6-0 single through drawn in infield,....Volquez is out of the game

flyer85
07-22-2010, 02:39 PM
6-0 single through drawn in infield,....Volquez is out of the game
he was just about ready to start mowing 'em down. Dusty must be crazy. ;)

NDRed
07-22-2010, 02:39 PM
Ugg.Im outta here
There has to be a better way to spend my afternoon

Reds Fanatic
07-22-2010, 02:39 PM
Nationals came in to town struggling to even score a run and have now scored 21 runs in the last 21 innings.

alloverjr
07-22-2010, 02:40 PM
he was just about ready to start mowing 'em down. Dusty must be crazy. ;)

You should be happy to know that they will be discussing Dusty's contract extension in August. :)

2 1/2

mdccclxix
07-22-2010, 02:42 PM
Dammit Volkie.

Let's get some bats out for this guy.

VR
07-22-2010, 02:43 PM
Reds have 7 at bats left. They are going to make a run at it before it's all said and done.

Kc61
07-22-2010, 02:43 PM
Fisher gets the DP.

I blame Dusty.

mdccclxix
07-22-2010, 02:44 PM
Mix of bad luck, bad control, bad strike zone for Volquez. He'll ride again.

KoryMac5
07-22-2010, 02:48 PM
Team has no punch without Votto. He may not get another day off the rest of the year.

BCubb2003
07-22-2010, 02:50 PM
Team has no punch without Votto. He may not get another day off the rest of the year.

Without Votto and Rolen ...

bucksfan2
07-22-2010, 02:51 PM
Without Votto and Rolen ...

Shocker. A team struggling without its best two players.

mdccclxix
07-22-2010, 02:53 PM
Shocker. A team struggling without its best two players.

You have to wonder if we don't win that game last night with Rolen at 3b.

Kc61
07-22-2010, 02:54 PM
The game last night could have been won. Bray really hurt by allowing the add-on runs. Then the homer off Rhodes. Those bullpen add-on runs really hurt and the Reds did score 5.

Also the line drive off Cairo hurt last night. He can hit, but he's really not a replacement at third defensively.

As for today, though, hard to see it going Reds' way.

Cedric
07-22-2010, 02:55 PM
The game last night could have been won. Bray really hurt by allowing the add-on runs. Then the homer off Rhodes. Those bullpen add-on runs really hurt and the Reds did score 5.

Also the line drive off Cairo hurt last night. He can hit, but he's really not a replacement at third defensively.

As for today, though, hard to see it going Reds' way.

Rhodes pitching last night was exhibit #1 of the lack of vision of our manager.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 02:56 PM
People need to calm down, it's a 4-3 home stand. As long as they go out and go 4-2 in Houston and Milwaukee I wont be concerned. If they do that, they will be 8-5 out of the break. That's pretty good baseball.

flyer85
07-22-2010, 02:56 PM
He can hit
actually he can't as his career aptly points out. Beware of small sample sizes, regression to the mean can be a real pain in the keester.

bucksfan2
07-22-2010, 02:59 PM
Rhodes pitching last night was exhibit #1 of the lack of vision of our manager.

How so?

Kc61
07-22-2010, 03:01 PM
Rhodes pitching last night was exhibit #1 of the lack of vision of our manager.

Rhodes didn't seem like the optimal decision last night, although the Reds were facing a series of lefty hitters in a winnable game. Rhodes has been overused, true.

As it turns out, of course, it was the right decision because Fisher - the other choice last night - is now available today to soak up innings in this clunker game.

Dusty does rely very heavily on his three late inning guys. Probably when Izzy is on the team, he will back off Rhodes/Cordero/Masset a bit.

cumberlandreds
07-22-2010, 03:02 PM
Back to the game. The Reds have runners at 1st and 3rd with no one out. Gomes is up. A chance to get back into this one.

Reds Fanatic
07-22-2010, 03:03 PM
Reds start the 4th with 1st and 3rd with no outs as Cabrera and Bruce single.

flyer85
07-22-2010, 03:03 PM
How so?pitching him while down 2 runs in the 9th inning. The Reds win expectancy at that point was .075. The game was essentially over and yet Dusty wasted an inning of RHodes.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 03:03 PM
Bad luck as Gomes smashes one right at the SS.

Kc61
07-22-2010, 03:03 PM
pitching him while down 2 runs in the 9th inning. The Reds win expectancy at that point was .075. The game was essentially over and yet Dusty wasted an inning of RHodes.

who would you have used? The only choices left were Cordero, Fisher, and Masset.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 03:04 PM
Reds Score!!!

Homer Bailey
07-22-2010, 03:04 PM
Days like today I hate baseball. They get a bunch walks and bleeders, a GABP home run, and 6 runs. We're hittin the ball on the squares, and can't get anything.

bucksfan2
07-22-2010, 03:04 PM
pitching him while down 2 runs in the 9th inning. The Reds win expectancy at that point was .075. The game was essentially over and yet Dusty wasted an inning of RHodes.

Really? Did you watch the game? The Reds were threatening ever inning from the 7th. Had Rhodes been able to hold the lead the Reds had their leadoff hitter on base in the top of the 9th. Thats what you want, the tieing run coming to the plate in the 9th.

flyer85
07-22-2010, 03:05 PM
As it turns out, of course, it was the right decision because Fisher - the other choice last night - is now available today to soak up innings in this clunker game.
If Fisher had pitched last night he is still available to pitch as many innings today as needed. He is fungible.

flyer85
07-22-2010, 03:06 PM
Really? Did you watch the game? The Reds were threatening ever inning from the 7th. Had Rhodes been able to hold the lead the Reds had their leadoff hitter on base in the top of the 9th. Thats what you want, the tieing run coming to the plate in the 9th.and I thought they lost last night.

bucksfan2
07-22-2010, 03:08 PM
and I thought they lost last night.

Your right they did. But I guess its Dusty's fault.

flyer85
07-22-2010, 03:09 PM
Your right they did. But I guess its Dusty's fault.
straw men are wonderful.

It is Dusty's fault for wasting Rhodes at a point where they had a 93% chance of losing.

bucksfan2
07-22-2010, 03:10 PM
straw men are wonderful.

It is Dusty's fault for wasting Rhodes at a point where they had a 93% chance of losing.

They why not just forefit the 9th if they had such a small chance of winning?

Cedric
07-22-2010, 03:11 PM
They why not just forefit the 9th if they had such a small chance of winning?

Didn't have to forfeit. Just don't kill the best pitchers we have.

I'm not going to ruin todays game thread anymore. Was just making a statement that the guys can't handle a pitching staff.

flyer85
07-22-2010, 03:12 PM
They why not just forefit the 9th if they had such a small chance of winning?
the strawmen keep getting better, care to try again.

Why waste one of your most valuable resources when the odds in winning were ~1 in 20?

CTA513
07-22-2010, 03:15 PM
Fishers done his job so far by giving the Reds 2 2/3rds scoreless innings.

flyer85
07-22-2010, 03:16 PM
Fishers done his job so far by giving the Reds 2 2/3rds scoreless innings.the game isn't over, I thought the Reds forfeited? :D

Homer Bailey
07-22-2010, 03:18 PM
Another shot right at an infielder. Think I'm gonna be sick.

redsfaninbsg
07-22-2010, 03:18 PM
Another shot right at an infielder. Think I'm gonna be sick.

It's just one of those days.

CTA513
07-22-2010, 03:20 PM
the game isn't over, I thought the Reds forfeited? :D

Not yet, but at least Fisher has provided some scoreless innings instead of pouring more gas on the fire.
Though he'll probably get rocked now that I commented on it.

Homer Bailey
07-22-2010, 03:21 PM
Three hits in 5 innings off Livan Hernandez. Pour me a drink.

CTA513
07-22-2010, 03:28 PM
Another scoreless inning from Fisher and I'm guessing that could be his last since he probably hasn't pitched this many innings in one game in a while.

BCubb2003
07-22-2010, 03:30 PM
If we have quality starts, I think we should have something called quality relief appearances, to describe the reliever who does a good job contrasted with the guy who gives up inherited runs, fills the bases and escapes with a low ERA.

Homer Bailey
07-22-2010, 03:31 PM
ANOTHER shot and ADAM DUNN makes a nice defensive play.

When it rains it pours.

Homer Bailey
07-22-2010, 03:33 PM
LOL! Lined shot, diving catch by Bernadina, and a double play! I give up!

Homer Bailey
07-22-2010, 03:38 PM
Bernadina home run. He stared that one down. Someone needs plunked.

Reds Fanatic
07-22-2010, 03:45 PM
Hernandez is now 1 out into the 7th and has only thrown 67 pitches

CTA513
07-22-2010, 03:45 PM
Bernadina home run. He stared that one down. Someone needs plunked.

The Nationals would probably drill one of the Reds players if they did that.

mdccclxix
07-22-2010, 03:48 PM
We need Gomes to heat up if this team is going to win.

Homer Bailey
07-22-2010, 03:57 PM
OC the lone bright spot today (and Fisher). 3 for 3 with several nice defensive plays.

klw
07-22-2010, 04:02 PM
Why not pull Phillips for a bit of extra rest and put Janish in?

durl
07-22-2010, 04:10 PM
Splitting a series with the Nats...at home. I hate to sound so obvious, but this is NOT good.

Homer Bailey
07-22-2010, 04:12 PM
Why not let Janish pitch here?

Homer Bailey
07-22-2010, 04:27 PM
Ramon hits a shot to center for the 2nd out, Willie Harris makes a catch at the wall to end the game. Perfect way to end it.

Cedric
07-22-2010, 04:29 PM
Ramon hits a shot to center for the 2nd out, Willie Harris makes a catch at the wall to end the game. Perfect way to end it.

Gotta make the pitcher earn it sometimes though. I think the guy had 60 pitches through 6 innings.

Ron Madden
07-22-2010, 04:29 PM
Not a very good series IMHO.

On to Houston to take it out on the Astros.

durl
07-22-2010, 04:33 PM
Not a very good series IMHO.

On to Houston to take it out on the Astros.

That NEEDS to happen.