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Redsfan320
07-24-2010, 10:27 AM
Found this posted on Yahoo Answers, and it's a pretty good question, thought I'd put this out there for you guys. Can't actually really think of anyone right now.

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nate
07-24-2010, 10:34 AM
I suppose there are a bunch of ways to define "best." This list (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=7&season=2010&month=0) might be a good place to start.

Tornon
07-24-2010, 10:38 AM
Without looking anything up, the ones that come to my mind are Carpenter, Greinke, & Felix Hernandez

Falls City Beer
07-24-2010, 10:41 AM
Without looking anything up, the ones that come to my mind are Carpenter, Greinke, & Felix Hernandez

Carpenter's teammate's, Wainwright's, is even better. In fact, of current pitchers, Wainwright has the best curve. He never hangs it.

Redsfan320
07-24-2010, 10:44 AM
^^
Never thought of this, Wainwright does have an awesome curve.

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_Sir_Charles_
07-24-2010, 10:45 AM
Best one I've ever seen....Blyleven. His curveball was simply amazing.

OesterPoster
07-24-2010, 10:58 AM
Didn't look at the list, but I'd say Barry Zito.

Cedric
07-24-2010, 11:07 AM
I like Wainright.. Kershaw.. Halladay

PuffyPig
07-24-2010, 11:08 AM
My Uncle Charlie has the best one I would venture......

REDblooded
07-24-2010, 11:10 AM
Wainwright... /thread

Spitball
07-24-2010, 11:17 AM
Arroyo has a very good one, but Zito has the best Bugs Bunny curve I see around today.

Former Twin pitcher Camilo Pascual had a great one back in the 1960s.

Brutus
07-24-2010, 11:20 AM
Carpenter's teammate's, Wainwright's, is even better. In fact, of current pitchers, Wainwright has the best curve. He never hangs it.

Yup. Based on Fangraphs, Wainwright's curve has been three times more effective than the player with the sixth most effective curve in the majors (Roy Oswalt). Wainwright has been 19 runs above average with his curve in front of Gio Gonzalez (13 runs) and Chris Carpenter (11.5 runs). That's smokin'

Without benefit of the list, I may have said Halladay or Wainwright, but Wainy has been even more dominating than I thought with that pitch.

dougdirt
07-24-2010, 12:17 PM
Here is my question(s) within this question....

Does the curve itself make it such a good pitch, or does the pitchers other stuff help it play up? For example, if we gave Wainwright's curveball to, Matt Maloney, would it still be as good, or would it be harmed by the lesser stuff of Maloney?

Clearly, Wainwright's curveball has been the most effective curveball in the majors this year. But does that make it the best curveball on its own, or is it the most effective because of the rest of his stuff as well as it being a real good pitch?

camisadelgolf
07-24-2010, 12:19 PM
Wainwright... /thread

_Sir_Charles_
07-24-2010, 01:28 PM
Arroyo has a very good one, but Zito has the best Bugs Bunny curve I see around today.

Former Twin pitcher Camilo Pascual had a great one back in the 1960s.

Good call on Zito. I'd forgotten him. He's got a vicious breaker.

11larkin11
07-24-2010, 01:34 PM
Most effective? Wainwright bar none.

Best? Zito. He just doesn't have his old fastball to back it up anymore.

WebScorpion
07-24-2010, 01:45 PM
When you say best, I think of the ones who can get the most distance between where you think the pitch will go and where it actually goes. Steve Carlton was the first pitcher I ever saw throw a curve that made me say, 'Whoa!". I used to love to watch him pitch just to see that deuce. I never saw Koufax's or Blyleven's, but heard they were also incredible. Darryl Kile, before and after his Coor's Field years, threw some of the best I've seen...I'd say they were on par with Carlton. Wainwright's is possibly the best in the big leagues right now, but it's not the best ever.

wolfboy
07-24-2010, 02:00 PM
Mike Mussina had a pretty darn good cuveball.

fearofpopvol1
07-24-2010, 02:02 PM
Tom Shearn

Mario-Rijo
07-24-2010, 04:36 PM
When he's on, Wandy Rodriguez has a pretty good yacker. That's 4 of the maybe 10 best curves in baseball all in our division according to my count. Carpenter, Wainwright, Oswalt and Wandy plus Arroyo's can be very effective also we just don't have to face it. In our division I'd also toss out Brett Myers and Zach Duke who also have solid ones. And our lineup has a tough time with them.

TheNext44
07-24-2010, 06:59 PM
No joke, but when healthy, Mike Lincoln's curveball is as good as anyone's that playing today.

But the thing is, very few pitchers throw a true curve ball these days. That 12 to 6 curve has been replaced by the "slurve" for most pitchers who even bother to throw a curve.

SirFelixCat
07-24-2010, 07:06 PM
I think there are two in the conversation and soon to be 3:

Wainwright
Zito

and eventually,

Strasburg