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sivman17
07-28-2010, 08:08 PM
Although there are still two months left of baseball, I figured I'd begin tracking the progress of Joey Votto's quest for the National League Triple Crown. The last NL player to win the Triple Crown was Joe Medwick of the St. Louis Cardinals back in 1937. His numbers: .374, 31, 154. The last MLB player to win the Triple Crown was Carl Yastrzemski of the Boston Red Sox in 1967. His numbers: .326, 44, 121.

BA
1. Joey Votto, CIN .322
2. Rafael Furcal, LAD .322
3. Placido Polanco, PHI .318
4. Martin Prado, ATL .316
5. Marlon Byrd, CHC .313

HR
1. Joey Votto, CIN 26
2. Prince Fielder, MIL 24
3. Mark Reynolds, ARI 24
4. Albert Pujols, STL 23
5. Adam Dunn, WAS 23

RBI
1. Ryan Howard, PHI 81
2. Albert Pujols, STL 70
3. Joey Votto, CIN 70
4. Corey Hart, MIL 70
5. David Wright, NYM 69

davereds24
07-28-2010, 08:10 PM
I think it will take an injury to Howard for Joey to have a shot.

bellhead
07-28-2010, 08:23 PM
I think it will take an injury to Howard for Joey to have a shot.

Same thing I was thinking...Howard will need to DL for this to happen..:(

Vottomatic
07-28-2010, 08:30 PM
Howard won't DL because he's Manuel's guy. :D

Kingspoint
07-28-2010, 11:07 PM
We all know why he's not leading the league in RBI's.

Now that Cabrera has picked it up in July (about a .350 OBP), and Phillips rocked it today and yesterday, then they might start giving Votto more opportunities at RBI's and a legitimate run at the Triple Crown.

KOBasinger
07-29-2010, 09:35 AM
He's got a legit shot of doing it if he can keep pace on what he is doing now which I think he can.

GIDP
07-29-2010, 09:48 AM
Before today, Votto had 244 base runners on for him, Howard 316. Give Votto 72 more runners & that's about 12 more RBI, he trails by 11.

Got that off twitter.

Basically what that's saying is that the rate of which Votto drives in runners 72 more guys on base would give him him the lead or at least make him much more close than he currently is.

Magdal
07-29-2010, 10:39 AM
There is NO Way to beat him in RBI,,,,guys get on in front of him. However, if he goes down to an injury or just starts tanking, Votto CAN win the 3 crown. Pujols has no shot to win it.

sivman17
07-29-2010, 09:55 PM
Gotta love this pic... even if he doesn't win the Triple Crown, he has to be a shoe-in for NL MVP if he continues to put up numbers like this. I just love seeing a Red being atop nearly all the offensive statistical categories. Jo-Vo is such a beast.

http://web17.twitpic.com/img/137364414-4f5ee0416463e818b77bdc43e8af46d9.4c522410-full.jpg

texasdave
07-29-2010, 10:01 PM
Howard has come to the plate with 325 runners on base, Votto 251.

Hondo
07-29-2010, 10:02 PM
Gotta love this pic... even if he doesn't win the Triple Crown, he has to be a shoe-in for NL MVP if he continues to put up numbers like this. I just love seeing a Red being atop nearly all the offensive statistical categories. Jo-Vo is such a beast.

http://web17.twitpic.com/img/137364414-4f5ee0416463e818b77bdc43e8af46d9.4c522410-full.jpg

That is awesome... I hope he can win the MVP. He deserves it!

Magdal
07-30-2010, 02:53 AM
If the season ended today, he would be the MVP. But triple crown? That is so incredibly hard to do. Look at the baseball gods that hit for average and power that could'nt do it: DiMag, Musial, Frank Robinson, Aaron. The list is very long.

If the 'roided up '90s could not produce one.... (What happened, Barry?)

Roush's socks
07-30-2010, 03:03 AM
It takes a phenomenal season and a lot of luck to win the triple crown. If he wins the batting title or leads the league in HR either one is pretty cool.

Vottomatic
07-30-2010, 03:26 AM
Wish we had a better hitter batting in the 2-hole with a very good OBP. Joey might be closer to Howard in rbi's.

Magdal
07-30-2010, 04:16 AM
Wish we had a better hitter batting in the 2-hole with a very good OBP. Joey might be closer to Howard in rbi's.Exactly. That's what killed Pujols last year, his ONLY year that he won the HR title. LaRussa had all the high OBP guys behind him in the order. Pretty smart managing, Tony.:rolleyes:

RedLegsToday
07-30-2010, 09:49 AM
If the season ended today, he would be the MVP. But triple crown? That is so incredibly hard to do. Look at the baseball gods that hit for average and power that could'nt do it: DiMag, Musial, Frank Robinson, Aaron. The list is very long.

If the 'roided up '90s could not produce one.... (What happened, Barry?)

Perhaps you should look at Frank's career stats again. :D

BLEEDS
07-30-2010, 10:18 AM
I think batting third hurts anyone's chances at a Triple Crown, especially in the NL, simply because of the spot in the order. AT MOST he's going to have 2 runners on to start the game, and that's only if the two guys in front of him BOTH get on base. Then for the rest of the game you have the pitcher batting 3 spots in front of him. That adds up over a course of a season. Batting 4th you simply have more chances for more base runners.

To be perfectly honest, I never thought he'd ever have a chance at a Triple Crown, because I never saw him leading his league in HR's. He has really turned that part of his game up.

If we could move him down to 4th, and put somebody in front of him with a non-sub .300 OBP, and he could make a serious run.

IF he leads the league - or even remains top 2-3 - in BA and HR, and we make the playoffs, he's a shoe-in for MVP. Actually the snub in the initial AS balloting has helped put his name out to the media and such, so in the end it did him much more good than getting voted in initially.

PEACE

-BLEEDS

Magdal
07-30-2010, 01:09 PM
Simple matter for he and Rolen to switch. Do it Baker.

texasdave
07-30-2010, 02:17 PM
NAME YR LG BP .AVE HR RBI
Carl Yastrzmski 1967 AL 3 0.326 44 121
Frank Robinson 1966 AL 3 0.316 49 122
Mickey Mantle 1956 AL 3 0.353 52 130
Ted Williams 1947 AL 4 0.343 32 114
Ted Williams 1942 AL 3 0.356 36 137
Joe Medwick 1937 NL 4 0.374 31 154
Lou Gehrig 1934 AL 4 0.363 49 165
Jimmie Foxx 1933 AL 4 0.356 48 163
Chuck Klein 1933 NL 3 0.368 28 120
Rogers Hornsby 1925 NL 3 0.403 39 143
Rogers Hornsby 1922 NL 3 0.401 42 152
Ty Cobb 1909 AL ? 0.377 9 107
Nap Lajoie 1901 AL ? 0.426 14 125


0.360 41 138


There have been 13 Triple Crown winners since 1901 - 9 in the AL and just 4 in the NL. There has not been a Triple Crown winner in the NL since before WWII - 1937 to be exact. There has not been a Triple Crown winner in the AL in over 40 years - since 1967. Ted Williams and Rogers Hornsby have both turned that trick twice. Using data from www.baseball-reference.com (there is no batting order data for Cobb or Lajoie), the batting order of these winners shakes out like this:7 have hit primarily in the 3 spot in the order, while 4 have hit primarily in the 4 hole. Using the stats for the most recent 11 (once again excluding Cobb and Lajoie) the average Triple Crown season looks like this .360 BA - 41 HR - 138 RBI.

sivman17
08-01-2010, 01:04 PM
Here is the updated Triple Crown standings through July. Votto picked up a couple RBIs on Howard. However, David Wright had 8 RBIs in his last two games.

BA
1. Joey Votto, CIN .325
2. Carlos Gonzalez, COL .321
3. Rafael Furcal, LAD .320
4. Martin Prado, ATL .315
5. Placido Polanco, PHI .314

HR
1. Joey Votto, CIN 27
2. Albert Pujols, STL 24
3. Adam Dunn, WAS 24
4. Prince Fielder, MIL 24
5. Mark Reynolds, ARI 24

RBI
1. Ryan Howard, PHI 81
2. David Wright, NYM 77
3. Albert Pujols, STL 72
4. Joey Votto, CIN 72
5. Corey Hart, MIL 70

Magdal
08-01-2010, 01:20 PM
Perhaps you should look at Frank's career stats again. :DYep...forgot about Frank doing it in the AL. I only really remembered that he was an MVP in both leagues. But I'm not so sure about that either now!

:bang:

davereds24
08-01-2010, 05:14 PM
Howard left today's game with a sprained ankle. They should have more info later tonight or tomorrow on a timetable for return.

Kingspoint
08-01-2010, 06:56 PM
Howard left today's game with a sprained ankle. They should have more info later tonight or tomorrow on a timetable for return.

He's definitely out at least 3 games. So, Votto will have a series to catch up some with him.

1990REDS
08-01-2010, 07:31 PM
He's definitely out at least 3 games. So, Votto will have a series to catch up some with him.

and its against the lowly pirates so hopefully he will have plenty of chances to drive some runs in.

Redlegs_87
08-01-2010, 09:36 PM
I expect Votto to have a career game sometime in this series against the bucos.

RedsFanInBama
08-01-2010, 09:43 PM
I expect Votto to have a career game sometime in this series against the bucos.
What's a career game for someone like Votto? 4 homers and 8 RBI?

Redlegs_87
08-01-2010, 09:48 PM
What's a career game for someone like Votto? 4 homers and 8 RBI?

That'd be sweet. I don't know I am just saying it would be awesome to see him go off on them. With 5 AB against tomorrows pitcher Joey is 4-5 with a .800 AVG 1 HR 1 RBI.

RedsFanInBama
08-01-2010, 09:53 PM
Yeah, I was just messing with ya. He looked pretty rough at the plate today. Both the Braves pitchers had him completely tied up. So taking that into account, I expect him to hit well against Pittsburgh.

davereds24
08-03-2010, 06:52 PM
Ryan Howard to the DL. Votto is supposed to start tomorrow. Good news!

sivman17
08-05-2010, 07:34 PM
Just read an interesting article from Jayson Stark talking about Joey Votto trying to win the Triple Crown. He says that only 9 people have won 2 legs of the TC in the last 50 years, and only 3 guys have ever won the Batting title and HR title in the same season. Those 3 guys are Ted Williams in 1941, Johnny Mize in 1939, and Babe Ruth in 1924. Pretty good company if he can keep it up.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings100805

Vottomatic
08-07-2010, 05:29 PM
Yahoo Sports and Jeff Passan with an interesting take on Votto's triple crown run. Passan points out that Votto has delivered incredibly in RISP situations, but that he is 57th in opportunities to knock in runs. This really goes back to batting OCab second. Where would this team, or Votto's rbi stats be for that matter, with a high OBP guy batting second????

Link to story: http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/mlb/Y_Sports_MLB/21278530;_ylt=Av9M.axzwzvjZaIvG3glfukRvLYF#mlb/Y_Sports_MLB/21278530

GIDP
08-07-2010, 06:58 PM
Yahoo Sports and Jeff Passan with an interesting take on Votto's triple crown run. Passan points out that Votto has delivered incredibly in RISP situations, but that he is 57th in opportunities to knock in runs. This really goes back to batting OCab second. Where would this team, or Votto's rbi stats be for that matter, with a high OBP guy batting second????

Link to story: http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/mlb/Y_Sports_MLB/21278530;_ylt=Av9M.axzwzvjZaIvG3glfukRvLYF#mlb/Y_Sports_MLB/21278530

I did the numbers the other day and if Bruce and his .323 OBP was in front of Votto odds are Votto would have at least 7 more RBIS just from Bruce himself and thats only a .030 or so increase in OBP.

Of course my math wasnt totally scientific because you cant tell how many runs would score because innings were extended and all that jazz but safe to say Votto would probably have at least 7 more RBIs with just that little change.

MikeThierry
08-10-2010, 03:18 AM
I think its going to be hard for anyone to win the triple crown in this era of baseball. There are too many players that specialize in certain aspects of hitting. Howard will always give you the HR's and RBI's but lacks the BA. People like Hanley Ramirez will always be a high average guy with moderate power but won't exactly be a league leader in HR's.

Whats amazing about Pujols is that he is having a down year. There are signs that Pujols is getting out of his slump. For example, in the matter of a week or two, he has raised his BA from .295 to .313. If you look at his stats, Pujols traditionally has great Augusts and Septembers. It wouldn't surprise me if by the end of the year, Pujols is hitting close to his career BA which is about .331 I believe. Not to mention the fact that the guy hitting infront of him now is an on base machine and might boost Pujols RBI totals. If that is the case, Votto will have a tough time getting the Triple Crown.

Still, Votto is currently my pick for MVP but Pujols is quickly catching him in that department.

By the way, Jon Jay is currently hitting .375 with a .423 OBP. He will probably regress to the means but it still means more RBI opportunities for Pujols.

sivman17
08-11-2010, 07:09 PM
Thought I would give the updated Triple Crown Standings...

BA
1. Carlos Gonzalez, COL .326
2. Placido Polanco, PHI .320
3. Joey Votto, CIN .319
4. Martin Prado, ATL .315
5. Marlon Byrd, CHC .311

HR
1. Adam Dunn, WAS 30
2. Albert Pujols, STL 28
3. Joey Votto, CIN 28
4. Dan Uggla, FLA 26
5. Carlos Gonzalez, COL 25

RBI
1. Albert Pujols, STL 84
2. Ryan Howard, PHI 81
3. Joey Votto, CIN 77
3. Carlos Gonzalez, COL 77
3. Adam Dunn, WAS 77


Joey's slipped a little bit in each of the standings, but it still isn't out of the realm of possibility. Carlos Gonzalez and Pujols have each made huge pushes lately. It's pretty impressive that three guys are in the top 5 in each of the TC stats (Pujols is batting .310, so technically he's 6th, but you get the point).

sivman17
08-25-2010, 06:30 PM
Votto and Pujols were featured on the front page of the USA Today Sports section today. Pretty nice, short article describing the chase between the Reds and Cards, and Votto and Pujols. Both of these guys are absolute ballplayers.. when asked about the Triple Crown race, they each had similar responses:

"Talk to me about winning, not that stuff," Pujols said

Said Votto, "I don't even know what position I'm in in all three categories."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2010-08-25-nl-triple-crown-contenders_N.htm

skywalker
08-25-2010, 06:41 PM
GETTING CLOSER

sivman17
08-25-2010, 10:40 PM
BA
1. Joey Votto, CIN .326
2. Carlos Gonzalez, COL .320
3. Albert Pujols, STL .319

HR
1. Albert Pujols, STL 33
2. Joey Votto, CIN 31
3. Adam Dunn, WAS 31

RBI
1. Albert Pujols, STL 92
2. Joey Votto, CIN 90
3. Carlos Gonzalez, COL 84

Vottomatic
08-25-2010, 10:42 PM
Poopholes with the big 0fer-4 tonight.

Girevik
08-26-2010, 09:13 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb here. I'm willing to bet that if Votto gets 4 hits, 4 RBI's, and 2 HR every game from here on out like he did last night, he will win the triple crown.

Remember, you heard it here first.

redssince75
08-26-2010, 11:17 AM
RBI
1. Albert Pujols, STL 92
2. Joey Votto, CIN 90
3. Carlos Gonzalez, COL 84


I can remember it wasn't very long ago we said Joey (and Pujols) would never catch Ryan Howard in RBIs.

GIDP
08-26-2010, 11:58 AM
Joey Votto has missed 9 games this year.

Vottomatic
08-26-2010, 12:32 PM
What I love about Joey is he's somewhat of a bada$$. During the game they showed him striking out the night before on an excellent curveball thrown by the Giants pitcher. Totally locked Joey up. As he walked away, he glared at the pitcher all the way back to the dugout. Not just a few steps, but pretty much all the way, as if to say "that won't happen again". Then he comes out last night and goes 4-7 with 2 HR's and the game winning hit.

Joey takes it personally. I wish all our players did. He is the ultimate competitor. That's why he gets upset about bad strike calls and gets himself in trouble. But I can't really blame him. It just shows he's really emotionally and mentally absorbed in the game.......which is cool.

I hope he's a Red for life. He's the perfect anchor with the perfect attitude for the new Big Red Machine. Aka.........NBRM. :D

ian_madden
08-26-2010, 01:20 PM
Ok, what if Price Albert wins the triple crown, is he the MVP of the league even if Votto's Cincinnati Reds goes to the playoffs? How can a player win the triple crown and not be the league MVP? I have a feeling that if Prince Albert wins the Triple Crown, he will win the MVP regardless of his teams placement in the final standings.

redssince75
08-26-2010, 01:23 PM
Ok, what if Price Albert wins the triple crown, is he the MVP of the league even if Votto's Cincinnati Reds goes to the playoffs? How can a player win the triple crown and not be the league MVP? I have a feeling that if Prince Albert wins the Triple Crown, he will win the MVP regardless of his teams placement in the final standings.


They did this exact question on Baseball Tonight last night and whoever their analyst is (I rarely watch, seemed like a little Italian guy) said there is no way you can win TC and not be MVP. No matter who wins division. I tend to agree with that. Doing something not done since 1937, one of the Holy Grails of sports. If Votto or Pujols ends up doing it, that man is MVP.

ian_madden
08-26-2010, 01:52 PM
They did this exact question on Baseball Tonight last night and whoever their analyst is (I rarely watch, seemed like a little Italian guy) said there is no way you can win TC and not be MVP. No matter who wins division. I tend to agree with that. Doing something not done since 1937, one of the Holy Grails of sports. If Votto or Pujols ends up doing it, that man is MVP.

I think if this is the case, they need to give out "the most outstanding player" award as well. Because you can be the "most outstanding player" but not the "most valuable". If this situation arises, which it very well could, I think the player that makes the playoffs will get hosed if the other player wins the triple crown.

Girevik
08-26-2010, 02:14 PM
Ok, what if Price Albert wins the triple crown, is he the MVP of the league even if Votto's Cincinnati Reds goes to the playoffs?

Yes. I don't see how you can win the triple crown and not be unanimous MVP. I do wish they'd change the name of the award...maybe name it after a player like the Cy Young (Babe Ruth, maybe?). They need to specify the criteria for the award and take the whole "value" think out of the picture....that's too subjective. I also think they should specify that it is for a position player only...as things stand now a pitcher could also be the most "valuable" player.

redssince75
08-26-2010, 02:18 PM
Yes. I don't see how you can win the triple crown and not be unanimous MVP.

Completely agree.

Anyway, even if the Reds go to playoffs and the Cardinals don't, who's to say that Votto is more "valuable" to the Reds than Pujols is to the Cardinals?

Girevik
08-26-2010, 02:20 PM
Anyway, even if the Reds go to playoffs and the Cardinals don't, who's to say that Votto is more "valuable" to the Reds than Pujols is to the Cardinals?


Ugh...that's EXACTLY why I hate the whole "valuable" player award. Just make it the player of the year type of thing and preferably name it after a player.

Hey Meat
08-26-2010, 02:35 PM
Completely agree.

Anyway, even if the Reds go to playoffs and the Cardinals don't, who's to say that Votto is more "valuable" to the Reds than Pujols is to the Cardinals?

It means that you must not be that valuable if your team is not in the post-season.

redssince75
08-26-2010, 02:45 PM
It means that you must not be that valuable if your team is not in the post-season.


Maybe...but maybe he dragged them from 20 games below .500 to 20 games above all by himself. That's pretty valuable.

Knightro28
08-26-2010, 04:08 PM
I don't see how you can win the triple crown and not be unanimous MVP.

If Pujols (or Votto) wins BA and HR but loses RBI by 1, does that still qualify for unanimous MVP? Or does it become a free-for-all? One magical RBI is worth that much?

Krawhitham
08-26-2010, 04:10 PM
As long as the Reds stay in 1st place I think Votto will get the Triple Crown. With the Cards in 2nd place Larussa can not afford to rest Prince Albert and the Cards only have ONE day off the rest of the way (while watching a Cards game their announcers said Sept. 20th is now a make up game with the fish). Prince Albert is not a kid anymore, this is his 10th season and playing everyday will wear on him and hurt his production.

Krawhitham
08-26-2010, 04:13 PM
If Pujols (or Votto) wins BA and HR but loses RBI by 1, does that still qualify for unanimous MVP? Or does it become a free-for-all? One magical RBI is worth that much?

YES, in the right situation

if Prince Albert leads HR by 1 and average by 1 point but trails in RBI by 1 and the Cards miss the playoffs Votto is the MVP. If he leads all three by 1 and the Cards miss the playoffs he is the MVP

Drudy8
08-26-2010, 04:16 PM
The fact that Joey has missed nine games This year alone is enough to say we have the best ball player in the NL this season

Drudy8
08-26-2010, 04:18 PM
And no if Albert wins the crown there is no way possible that he could not win the MVP

redssince75
08-26-2010, 04:50 PM
If Pujols (or Votto) wins BA and HR but loses RBI by 1, does that still qualify for unanimous MVP? Or does it become a free-for-all? One magical RBI is worth that much?

Yes. One magical RBI is worth an immense amount when it changes "no Triple Crown" to "Triple Crown".

Just ask Mark McGwire how much one measly HR meant when it pushed the number from 61 to 62.

texasdave
08-26-2010, 05:14 PM
Yes. One magical RBI is worth an immense amount when it changes "no Triple Crown" to "Triple Crown".

Just ask Mark McGwire how much one measly HR meant when it pushed the number from 61 to 62.

McGwire pushed it up to 70. Runnerup Sammy Sosa had 66 that year. MVP - Sammy Sosa in the year that McGwire set a new all-time HR record. Most hallowed record in sports.

Other Stats from '98:

Stat Sosa McGwire
WAR 6.5 7.2
HR 66 70
OBP 0.377 0.470
SLG 0.647 0.752
OPS 1.024 1.222

redssince75
08-26-2010, 05:28 PM
McGwire pushed it up to 70. Runnerup Sammy Sosa had 66 that year. MVP - Sammy Sosa in the year that McGwire set a new all-time HR record. Most hallowed record in sports.


Eh I don't know about the "most hallowed" stuff. Even baseball people tended to hallow DiMaggio's 56 more than Maris's 61.

And anyway, the really really really big deal of my lifetime that carried immense attention was McGwire's 62 -- not his 70 or Sosa's 66 or Bonds' 71 or 73. That was my point. One measly HR or RBI can make a HUGE difference.

mckbearcat48
08-26-2010, 06:45 PM
Votto is a great player, no doubt. I wouldn't completely disregard Pujols, though.

mckbearcat48
08-26-2010, 06:46 PM
In terms of hallowed numbers, let's look at the ones that are forever safe...511 is one that comes to mind.

Oxilon
09-02-2010, 10:54 PM
Another MVP contender and triple crown contender as emerged.

As of 9/2:

AVG:
Votto: .325 (2nd)
Pujols: .313 (5th)
C. Gonzalez: .329 (1st)

HR:
Votto: 32 (3rd)
Pujols: 35 (1st)
C. Gonzalez: 30 (5th)

RBI:
Votto: 97 (1st)
Pujols: 93 (2nd)
C. Gonzalez: 92 (3rd)

Definitely an interesting race to watch in September.

GIDP
09-03-2010, 01:18 AM
Carlos Gonzalez gets a free pass when it comes to his home/road splits.

Magdal
09-03-2010, 05:42 AM
What a moot thread as NO PLAYER will win the 3Crown this year. Or any time in the near future. It's dam near impossible. And as far as the MVP voting, you can never tell....like one poster pointed out, Mac beat Sosa in every catagory and Sosa won it. (because the Cubs made it to the post) But a couple of years later Pujols beat Bonds in every catagory exept HRs and the Cards went to the post season and SF did not, but Bonds won it.

Go figure...I sure can't.

But I think Joey will take it this year. Pujols went 0 for Houston while Votto kept raking. There is something wrong in the St. Louis clubhouse...mostly LaRussa.

MikeThierry
09-03-2010, 09:08 AM
It looks like Pujols is trying to do too much, again, and chasing pitches out of the strikezone. It accounted for his poor start at the beginning of the year and it looks like he is in that zone again. I look for Cargo and Votto to have a healthy competition for triple crown down the stretch. I'll put my money on Votto. Cargo's home/road splits are almost shocking where as Votto, I believe, is actually hitting better on the road if I'm not mistaken.

justincredible
09-03-2010, 01:43 PM
I don't think either will win the Triple Crown as Omar Infante will likely win the batting title. This is assuming he'll get close to the required number of plate appearances.

If there is no Triple Crown winner, Votto is the MVP. If there is a Triple Crown winner, that player will 100% be the MVP.

New York Red
09-03-2010, 01:52 PM
I don't think either will win the Triple Crown as Omar Infante will likely win the batting title. This is assuming he'll get close to the required number of plate appearances.

If there is no Triple Crown winner, Votto is the MVP. If there is a Triple Crown winner, that player will 100% be the MVP.
I'll agree with all of the above. I think Infante is the man to beat for BA. But how ironic would it be if Joey Votto led in BA and RBI's, and Adam Dunn (HR's) was the only guy standing between Votto and the Triple Crown?

justincredible
09-03-2010, 02:02 PM
I'll agree with all of the above. I think Infante is the man to beat for BA. But how ironic would it be if Joey Votto led in BA and RBI's, and Adam Dunn (HR's) was the only guy standing between Votto and the Triple Crown?

Dunn would once again be the most hated man in Cincinnati.