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muddie
08-01-2010, 09:48 AM
Welcome to August...

The Carolina/Jax series will wrap up Sunday afternoon with a 2:00 first pitch as Tom Cochran (7-5, 2.64) goes for Carolina while former major leaguer, Andrew Miller (1-5, 5.18) makes the start for the Suns.

Honestly, the Mudcats need this one to maintain some hope of winning the second half crown in the Northern Division. The team is now four back and under .500. On paper, Cochran is as good as it gets for todays start against a guy that has only two more Ks than BBs issued at AA. Miller's stock has really tanked in the last 18 months.

We're holding tickets for this one and the heat has subsided in the area. Possibility of rain exists but the sun is trying to break out now so we'll see which way it goes this afternoon.

OnBaseMachine
08-01-2010, 12:59 PM
Update on Yorman Rodriguez:


The Mustangs played the game without Yorman Rodriguez, their leading RBI man.

Rodriguez batted in the first inning in Friday night’s game, but did not continue after complaining of soreness at the base of his left hand. X-rays of Rodriguez’s hamate bone were negative and an MRI was scheduled for today.


http://www.billingsgazette.com/sports/baseball/professional/minor/pioneer-league/mustangs/article_09e1a59c-9d40-11df-8f2b-001cc4c002e0.html

muddie
08-01-2010, 01:03 PM
Lynchburg is off today.

AWA85
08-01-2010, 01:28 PM
Yikes, that is not good news on Yorman. Hopefully it is nothing serious.

Thanks for the update.

texasdave
08-01-2010, 05:38 PM
Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Negron SS 4 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0.253
Kahaulelio 2B 5 3 3 2 0 0 1 0 0 0.254
Sappelt CF 3 0 1 0 0 0 1 2 0 0.348
Costanzo 1B 5 2 2 1 0 0 1 0 2 0.283
Terrero RF 3 1 2 1 0 0 2 0 0 0.274
Henry LF 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0.291
Denove C 4 0 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 0.297
Castro, Jo 3B 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.248
Cochran P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0.048
Medina, R P 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000
Baez, Fe P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.000
Eymann a- PH 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.257
Tabor P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000
Gil P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000


Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Cochran 3 6 4 4 3 1 0 2.89
Medina, R 3 0 0 0 0 3 0 2.75
Baez, Fe 1 3 1 1 0 1 0 3.13
Tabor (H, 4) 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 3.54
Gil (S, 6) 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 4.56



Carolina wins 8-5.

mace
08-01-2010, 06:13 PM
Dayton lost its 11th straight and 18th of the last 19, 10-7. Didi Gregorius was 4 for 5. Josh Garton and Frank Pfister homered.

cinreds21
08-01-2010, 06:30 PM
Mudcats won 8-5. Mudcats starter Tom Cochran accumulated a big pitch count and left after only 3 innings, giving up four runs.

PoliKarpas
08-01-2010, 06:41 PM
Two games in a row that Valaika is out. I have not heard what happened. What injury did he sustain?

mace
08-01-2010, 06:54 PM
Slidin' Billy Hamilton is 4 for 6 today, raising his average to .325 with an OBP around .384. Billings is tied 5-5 after 11. Tyler Cline had a 4-inning, scoreless start.

muddie
08-01-2010, 06:59 PM
Clearly, the man today was Ruben Medina. Cochran was not on top of his game. The HP umpire was killing Cochran as I was seated low and agree with Cochran on the inconsistency in calls. The one thing Cochran is always good for, body language. I knew he was very unhappy with the HP ump. I was still a tad surprised when Cochran did not answer the fourth. Matt Klinker and Matt Fairel were charting pitches behind the plate so I eased over and inquired about Cochran. Too many pitches in too few innings was the response. I did take advanatage of the situation to tell Klinker that he did a really good job a month back in Durham against the Bulls on his short notice promotion to AAA. I know he's a short timer here but he's one of my favorites.

Medina is the guy that the Mudcats can look to today and be thankful. He was perfect, period. Look at his line. He hit 96 on a couple of pitches. Rock solid outing.

Andrew Miller has to be a huge concern for Florida. I knew that as long as he was in the game the Mudcats had a chance and he didn't let me down. Early and often the guys were hitting him like it was BP. I have to wonder if he is headed out the door soon. I saw him do a rehab start here a couple years ago as a Mudcat when the team was with the Marlins.

After the game the Mudcats Booster Club was doing a pig picking for the team on the main concourse. The Abbott Trailways was patiently waiting to take the guys to Huntsville, Alabama for the next series. Good to get a win today. The guys played well.

dougdirt
08-01-2010, 07:34 PM
Louisville is scoreless through 4. Alonso keeps raking, 1-1 with a walk. Up to .285 on the season (in Louisville).

OnBaseMachine
08-01-2010, 07:49 PM
Billy Hamilton has been very, very good this season. As raw as he is, I thought he would struggle in the Pioneer League but he's actually having a great season. He's come a long way in the last year. 4-for-6 today with a double and he also stole his 19th base. He's now hitting .325 with an OPS around .830 in 160 atbats.

Also, another productive day from Juan Duran as he went 2-for-5 with two doubles and a walk. Duran since July 1: .300/.370/.456 - .826 OPS.

Tyler Cline: 4 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K

REDblooded
08-01-2010, 08:17 PM
Is Billy still switch-hitting? If so, his season has been even more impressive...

reds44
08-01-2010, 08:47 PM
Louisville is scoreless through 4. Alonso keeps raking, 1-1 with a walk. Up to .285 on the season (in Louisville).
Absolutely dead serious question.

If Alonso keeps raking and the OF continues to struggle, do you dare?

Dickerson is 2-3 tonight with a walk. He needs to be up here now.

Texas Pete
08-01-2010, 08:51 PM
Billy Hamilton has been very, very good this season. As raw as he is, I thought he would struggle in the Pioneer League but he's actually having a great season. He's come a long way in the last year. 4-for-6 today with a double and he also stole his 19th base. He's now hitting .325 with an OPS around .830 in 160 atbats.

Also, another productive day from Juan Duran as he went 2-for-5 with two doubles and a walk. Duran since July 1: .300/.370/.456 - .826 OPS.



Very nice. I am optimistic about both of them.

OnBaseMachine
08-01-2010, 08:54 PM
Alonso is now 2-for-3 with a double and a walk. I think he and Juan Francisco will be in Cincinnati in September.

reds44
08-01-2010, 09:01 PM
Dickerson just had another hit lol.

3-4 with a walk

camisadelgolf
08-01-2010, 09:02 PM
As stated by muddie, Lynchburg is off today. So are the DSL Reds. The AZL Reds' game was postponed.
Below is the Dayton box score from their loss. Bowen was horrible. Gregorius was 4-for-5.

Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
LaMarre CF 5 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 .272
Gregorius SS 5 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 .273
Rodriguez, H 2B 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .286
Garton RF 5 2 2 0 0 1 3 0 3 .247
Satterwhite LF 5 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 .278
Fleury, M C 4 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 .249
Kaskow 1B 5 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 3 .063
Weems DH 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .193
Pfister 3B 4 1 2 1 0 1 1 0 1 .265
Bowen P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Braun, J P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Chiu P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Martinez, Ju P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Arico P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000

BATTING
2B: Pfister (20, Samuels), Fleury, M (19, Samuels).
HR: Pfister (6, 3rd inning off Larez, 0 on, 1 out), Garton (10, 3rd inning off Larez, 2 on, 2 out).
TB: LaMarre 2; Gregorius 4; Rodriguez, He; Garton 5; Satterwhite; Fleury, M 2; Weems; Pfister 6.
RBI: Pfister (38), Garton 3 (29), Satterwhite (32), LaMarre (15), Kaskow (3).
2-out RBI: Garton 3; Satterwhite.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Garton; Fleury, M 2; Rodriguez, He; Weems.
Team RISP: 3-for-11.
Team LOB: 9.

FIELDING
E: Braun, J (2, pickoff).
Outfield assists: LaMarre (Perez, He at 2nd base).
DP: (Rodriguez, He-Gregorius-Kaskow).

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Bowen (L, 2-5) 2.1 8 7 7 0 0 1 5.72
Braun, J 2.1 2 2 2 1 2 0 4.25
Chiu 1.1 2 1 1 0 1 0 1.69
Martinez, Ju 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 4.81
Arico 1.0 1 0 0 1 0 0 4.86

The VSL Reds lost as well. Torreyes was 0-for-4 with FOUR errors. Yikes!

Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Benedetto CF 4 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 .220
Farinez 2B 4 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 .289
Torreyes 3B 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .403
Lopez, Yi 1B 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .263
Santoni DH 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .266
Valor SS 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .257
Morillo, Ju C 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .252
Flores, P C 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .301
Aldazoro RF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .212
Rodriguez, A RF 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 .216
Rivero LF 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .175
Duque LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .209
Romero, F P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Chiquin P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000

BATTING
2B: Benedetto (3, Quintanilla).
TB: Benedetto 2; Farinez 2; Lopez, Yi; Valor; Rivero.
RBI: Benedetto (6), Farinez (16).
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Santoni; Torreyes; Benedetto.
GIDP: Morillo, Ju 2.
Team RISP: 2-for-9.
Team LOB: 6.

BASERUNNING
SB: Rodriguez, A (9, 2nd base off Quintanilla/Diaz, Fr).
CS: Farinez (3, 2nd base by Quintanilla/Diaz, Fr), Morillo, Ju (2, 3rd base by Gonzalez, I/Diaz, Fr).
PO: Morillo, Ju (2nd base by Diaz, Fr).

FIELDING
E: Torreyes 4 (17, fielding, throw, throw, throw), Valor (16, throw).
DP: (Valor-Lopez, Yi).

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Romero, F (L, 3-6) 8.0 9 6 3 1 3 0 2.43
Chiquin 1.0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1.41

Dan Wolford's performance was disastrous and almost cost Billings the game. A four-run 12th inning sealed the deal, though.

Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Hamilton DH 6 2 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 .325
Read LF 6 2 2 0 0 0 1 0 2 .278
Lohman SS 5 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .276
Manz C 5 1 2 2 0 0 1 1 1 .272
Bowe 1- PR 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .260
Barnhart, T C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .300
Duran RF 5 1 2 2 0 0 1 1 0 .244
D'Anna 1B 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 .262
Santos 2B 5 1 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 .294
Hernandez, D 3B 6 1 1 0 0 1 2 0 3 .167
Sierra CF 6 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .285
Cline P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Howell P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Hayes P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Wolford P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Smith, R P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000

BATTING
2B: Duran 2 (7, Wawrzasek, Marzec), Hamilton (9, Wawrzasek), Manz 2 (6, Wawrzasek, Marzec).
HR: Hernandez, D (1, 12th inning off Marzec, 1 on, 2 out).
TB: Hamilton 5; Read 2; Lohman; Manz 4; Duran 4; Santos; Hernandez, D 4; Sierra.
RBI: Santos 2 (21), Read (14), Manz (11), Duran (16), Hernandez, D 2 (2).
2-out RBI: Manz; Santos; Hernandez, D 2.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Hernandez, D; Duran; Santos 2; Read.
S: Lohman.
SF: Santos.
Team RISP: 3-for-10.
Team LOB: 9.

BASERUNNING
SB: Hamilton (19, 2nd base off Ross/Ogrinc).
CS: Lohman (3, 2nd base by Wawrzasek/Ogrinc), Hamilton (8, 2nd base by Ross/Ogrinc).

FIELDING
E: Santos (5, fielding), D'Anna (2, throw), Lohman (14, fielding).

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Cline 4.0 3 0 0 1 3 0 1.93
Howell 3.0 1 1 0 1 3 0 1.53
Hayes 1.0 0 0 0 3 1 0 0.00
Wolford 1.0 6 4 4 1 2 0 3.86
Smith, R (W, 3-0) 3.0 1 0 0 1 2 0 4.86

mace
08-01-2010, 09:05 PM
Billings won that game with 4 in the 12th. Danny Hernandez had a home run. Ryan Smith got the win by going the last three innings and giving up just one hit.

OnBaseMachine
08-01-2010, 09:18 PM
Alonso draws another walk to begin the bottom of the 9th. Alonso: 2-for-3 double, two walks.

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 09:20 PM
got a feeling francisco will end this game

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 09:22 PM
well he kept it goin with a single

OnBaseMachine
08-01-2010, 09:22 PM
Frazier flied out to RF on a 3-2 pitch. Francisco followed with a line drive single to RF, Alonso holds at second base.

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 09:26 PM
bases loaded for griffin with 1 outs in bottom 9th tie game

OnBaseMachine
08-01-2010, 09:28 PM
Griffin K's. Castillo up with two outs.

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 09:29 PM
going to extras

OnBaseMachine
08-01-2010, 09:29 PM
Castillo pops out. Extra innings.

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 09:37 PM
chapman coming in with runners at 1st and 3rd no outs

reds44
08-01-2010, 09:37 PM
Chapman is in with 1st and 3rd 0 outs. Lets see what he's got.

reds44
08-01-2010, 09:43 PM
A wild pitch allowed to runner to go to 2nd, but he strikes out the batter.

1 out.

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 09:43 PM
after a wild pitch that moved runner up to 2nd , chapman k's batter. runners 2nd and 3rd 1 out

reds44
08-01-2010, 09:45 PM
5 pitch walk.

Bases loaded, 1 out.

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 09:47 PM
3 pitch k

Eric the Red
08-01-2010, 09:47 PM
Alonso is now 2-for-3 with a double and a walk. I think he and Juan Francisco will be in Cincinnati in September.

I agree, especially if the two keep hitting in August as they have of late.

reds44
08-01-2010, 09:47 PM
lol have fun hitting that

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 09:48 PM
great job by Chapman

reds44
08-01-2010, 09:49 PM
He got out of it. Beautiful work from Chapman.

1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K
16 pitches, 9 strikes, 7 balls.

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 09:49 PM
just following on gameday anyone got any idea on his velocity

reds44
08-01-2010, 09:52 PM
I'm going out on a limb and gonna guess "hard."

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 09:58 PM
bases loaded one 1 out for frazier

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 09:58 PM
alonso now has walked 3 times

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 10:01 PM
frazier pops out its up to francisco

OnBaseMachine
08-01-2010, 10:01 PM
Chapman has been on a roll. I can't wait to see him in Cincinnati.

reds44
08-01-2010, 10:04 PM
Wow it looked like Francisco flew out to the wall.

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 10:04 PM
Francisco flys out. not sure how deep gameday has it over the wall

GIDP
08-01-2010, 10:04 PM
anyone know his percentage of what pitch is being thrown?

reds44
08-01-2010, 10:05 PM
anyone know his percentage of what pitch is being thrown?
My guess is Doug can tell you later on.

We'll see if he stays in for the 11th.

reds44
08-01-2010, 10:06 PM
Chapman stays in.

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 10:07 PM
K

reds44
08-01-2010, 10:07 PM
Strikeout on 4 pitches.

OnBaseMachine
08-01-2010, 10:07 PM
4 pitch K for Chapman to begin the 11th.

OnBaseMachine
08-01-2010, 10:08 PM
Three pitch K. Wow.

reds44
08-01-2010, 10:08 PM
lol strikeout on 3 pitches

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 10:08 PM
O WOW

reds44
08-01-2010, 10:09 PM
First pitch groundout back to Aroldis.

Dude is filthy right now.

2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 K

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 10:09 PM
Haha wow Aroldis is rolling right now

reds44
08-01-2010, 10:09 PM
That inning he threw 8 pitches, 7 were strikes, and he had 2 Ks.

That'll work.

OnBaseMachine
08-01-2010, 10:10 PM
Chapman is unreal.

2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 K, 2 GO/0 FO, 24 pitches/16 strikes

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 10:10 PM
I really dont think its going to be much longer before he is in Cincy. The way he's pitching right now get him up here

reds44
08-01-2010, 10:11 PM
He's not even being challenged anymore. He's just blowing guys away.

Man among boys.

reds44
08-01-2010, 10:16 PM
Props to OBM for tweeting this:

Last 8 appearances:
9.1 IP, 6 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 15 K

mdccclxix
08-01-2010, 10:16 PM
Props to OBM for tweeting this:

Last 8 appearances:
9.1 IP, 6 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 15 K

:eek:

OnBaseMachine
08-01-2010, 10:18 PM
Chapman's K/9 in Louisville = 11.2

reds44
08-01-2010, 10:19 PM
Sutton walks it off with a single.

Chapman gets the W.

OnBaseMachine
08-01-2010, 10:19 PM
Drew Sutton walk-off RBI single. Louisville wins 3-2, their 10th straight win.

RedsFanInBama
08-01-2010, 10:21 PM
Thanks for all the updates. Looks like Chapman is as ready as he'll be in terms of helping this club this season.

davereds24
08-01-2010, 10:23 PM
Only a matter of time until the Bats are in first, all the talent on Columbus is up in Cleveland.

sabometrics
08-01-2010, 10:41 PM
Why oh why did we just bring up Springer? Considering Bray is too talented imo to just drop, the 41 y.o. geezer is now blocking our 22 y.o. phenom.

GOYA
08-01-2010, 10:42 PM
all the talent on Columbus is up in Cleveland.

Michael Brantley says hi. (And a few others too)


Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Dickerson CF 4 0 3 0 0 0 1 1 0 .421
Cozart SS 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .268
Alonso 1B 3 1 2 1 0 0 0 3 0 .286
Frazier LF 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 .236
Francisco 3B 5 0 2 0 0 0 1 1 0 .286
Balentien RF 4 0 3 0 0 0 0 2 1 .247
Griffin 2B 5 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .291
Castillo C 5 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .261
Sutton DH 5 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 2 .264

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Jukich 5.0 8 2 2 0 3 0 4.19
Herrera 2.0 1 0 0 0 2 0 2.75
Delgado, J 2.0 2 0 0 2 1 0 3.52
Chapman (W, 8-6) 2.0 0 0 0 1 4 0 3.84

Pitches-strikes: Jukich 76-56, Herrera 34-22, Delgado, J 32-15, Chapman 24-16

HokieRed
08-01-2010, 10:47 PM
Alonso on base 5 of 6 times. Might be good to find a place for that kid to play--in Cincinnati.

RedsFanInBama
08-01-2010, 10:51 PM
Why oh why did we just bring up Springer? Considering Bray is too talented imo to just drop, the 41 y.o. geezer is now blocking our 22 y.o. phenom.
I don't think Springer is the one blocking Chapman. Springer was added for a veteran presence. The FO doesn't have confidence in these young guys to keep rolling along. Unless Bray is included in a deal, odds are that Smith's or Ondrusek's days in Cinci are numbered - at least for the next month.

GOYA
08-01-2010, 10:52 PM
Jukich came out with a hip flexor injury

Chapman was mighty. At least two of his pitches were triple digits
He threw a breaking ball for a strike that was like it had a string on it

Cisco's flyout in the 10th was to the wall.

bshall2105
08-01-2010, 10:52 PM
I don't think Springer is the one blocking Chapman. Springer was added for a veteran presence. The FO doesn't have confidence in these young guys to keep rolling along. Unless Bray is included in a deal, odds are that Smith's or Ondrusek's days in Cinci are numbered - at least for the next month.

So is Bray for sure out of options?

RedsFanInBama
08-01-2010, 10:53 PM
So is Bray for sure out of options?

I'm assuming so by sabometrics' post.

davereds24
08-01-2010, 10:55 PM
Michael Brantley says hi. (And a few others too)



Brantley will not be in Columbus next week, he's headed back to Cleveland now that Kearns is gone.

GIDP
08-01-2010, 11:01 PM
15 strike outs in his last 9.1 IP is pretty awesome

HokieRed
08-01-2010, 11:03 PM
I don't think Springer is the one blocking Chapman. Springer was added for a veteran presence. The FO doesn't have confidence in these young guys to keep rolling along. Unless Bray is included in a deal, odds are that Smith's or Ondrusek's days in Cinci are numbered - at least for the next month.


I'd guess it'll be Fisher who gets moved down first.

Just checked the active roster. Springer on, Fisher off.

sabometrics
08-01-2010, 11:18 PM
I'm assuming so by sabometrics' post.

We've had him since 2006. He's been on a MLB 40-man since before we got him, and has spent large parts of at least 3 seasons in the minors. I assume he is out of options, unless there is some clause worked in there for people who are injured so often.

reds44
08-01-2010, 11:48 PM
We've had him since 2006. He's been on a MLB 40-man since before we got him, and has spent large parts of at least 3 seasons in the minors. I assume he is out of options, unless there is some clause worked in there for people who are injured so often.
Bray is not out of options.


Cincinnati Reds optioned Bill Bray to Louisville Bats.
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/team/transactions.jsp?c_id=cin#month=3&year=2010&team_id=113

Check out the March 18th transactions. The Reds can option out Bray and call up Chapman and then call Bray back up in September. This is most likely what you'll end up seeing.

And there's no way they're going to option on Ondrusek or Smith, they're both pitching way too well.

I think you'll see Chapman come up for Bray and Springer is just keeping Isringhausen's seat warm for him until he is ready. Then they'll call up Izzy and hope Springer slips through waivers so they can also call him back up in September.

The Reds have a real numbers problem with the roster though. Things get even more sticky when you start trying to find ways to get Dickerson up here.

AccordinglyReds
08-01-2010, 11:57 PM
Went to the Bats game tonight.

Chapman looked great. The whole ballpark seemed silent when he delivered each pitch. I could hear his jewelry more than anything else. lol

Very odd play happened when Herrera was pitching in the 7th or 6th. IIRC, Brantley got on first. Then the next thing you know, the umps get together and then Brantley is shown to third base (no pitches thrown). Didn't see Sweet get out and argue really either which made it seem very odd. Later in the game, the PA guy said it was a "2 base error" on Herrera for throwing the ball off the field to someone who is not a player. They didn't charge him for the "error." I'm guessing he tossed a ball that he was given by the ump to the dugout (didn't like it) and someone picked it up when the ball got to the edge of the dugout. This would mean he didn't have ump's permission to do so I suppose. Kinda like when Larry Walker gave the ball to someone in the stands after there were only 2 outs? Very odd. Wonder if the radio broadcast mentioned it further in detail?

Meanwhile, Fraizer continues his struggles at the plate.

RedsFanInBama
08-02-2010, 12:08 AM
Bray is not out of options.


http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/team/transactions.jsp?c_id=cin#month=3&year=2010&team_id=113

Check out the March 18th transactions. The Reds can option out Bray and call up Chapman and then call Bray back up in September. This is most likely what you'll end up seeing.

And there's no way they're going to option on Ondrusek or Smith, they're both pitching way too well.

I think you'll see Chapman come up for Bray and Springer is just keeping Isringhausen's seat warm for him until he is ready. Then they'll call up Izzy and hope Springer slips through waivers so they can also call him back up in September.

The Reds have a real numbers problem with the roster though. Things get even more sticky when you start trying to find ways to get Dickerson up here.

I agree that if Bray has options it will be him, but how does showing me that he was optioned on March 18 indicate that he still has options now?

reds44
08-02-2010, 12:10 AM
I agree that if Bray has options it will be him, but how does showing me that he was optioned on March 18 indicate that he still has options now?
Because you have option years, not individual options. Since he was optioned back in March, then you know he can still be optioned now. The Reds could option him 20 times this year and it's still 1 option year.

11larkin11
08-02-2010, 12:10 AM
I agree that if Bray has options it will be him, but how does showing me that he was optioned on March 18 indicate that he still has options now?

Options runs a full season. Once a player is optioned in a season, that counts as 1 option and he can be moved up and down I-75 as many times as a team wants that season.

RedsFanInBama
08-02-2010, 12:10 AM
Gotcha. Wasn't sure how that system worked. I thought maybe it was a specific number of times you could go back and forth.

sabometrics
08-02-2010, 12:38 AM
Because you have option years, not individual options. Since he was optioned back in March, then you know he can still be optioned now. The Reds could option him 20 times this year and it's still 1 option year.

If he's been up since 2006, how does he still have option years left though? I was under the impression you had three years, which would mean Bray would've used them already. How much time that Bray has spent in the minors with the Reds has been rehab, and how much has been on an option?

reds44
08-02-2010, 12:40 AM
If he's been up since 2006, how does he still have option years left though? I was under the impression you had three years, which would mean Bray would've used them already. How much time that Bray has spent in the minors with the Reds has been rehab, and how much has been on an option?
Look at March 18th:
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/team/transactions.jsp?c_id=cin#month=3&year=2010&team_id=113

He's already been optioned once this year. I don't know how he has option years left, but he does. I honestly don't have a very good idea on how the entire options system works, other than I know it's by year.

fearofpopvol1
08-02-2010, 12:49 AM
I think it's tie to show Laynce Nix the door and bring up Dickerson.

Also, I know Hamiton has had more ABs than Lohman, but he's outplaying Lohman.

cinreds21
08-02-2010, 01:32 AM
Let me clear this up for everyone.

Once you are added onto the 40-man roster, you have 3 option years. Say player X was added this past off-season to the 40 man for the first time. This spring training he was sent down, that is one option used. Say he spent the entire year in the minors.
Spring 2011 he was sent down again, that's his second option used. Say he got called up in May, that's fine. Then he was sent back down later in the year, he has only used two option years (2010, 2011)
Then 2012 he was sent down in spring training. That is his third and final option. He can be called up and sent down as many times during any of the three years. Once 2013 comes around, player X CANNOT be sent down without first going through waivers.
So in other words, you have 3 option YEARS. You can be sent down as many times during a season as long as you have an option year left.

Now, there are some exceptions to the rule.
1) A player can gain a 4th option year if he has LESS THAN 5 years of minor league service. (Yonder Alonso falls under this rule. He signed a big league contract in 2008 and was sent down, first option used. Then in 2009 he was sent down, second used. And now this year his third has been used. In 2011 he can be sent down a 4th time because he has less than 5 years of minor league time.)
2) If a player is optioned and recalled less than 20 days after, that option was not used.

mth123
08-02-2010, 01:50 AM
I think it's tie to show Laynce Nix the door and bring up Dickerson.

Also, I know Hamiton has had more ABs than Lohman, but he's outplaying Lohman.

Laynce Nix in July .500/.577/.727/1.304. I'm guessing in the short term Stubbs goes down and we see a Dickerson/Heisey platoon in CF, but who knows. Another possibility is Janish being optioned. He never plays anyway and keeping all the OF when Dickerson returns would allow platoons at all three spots (Gomes/Nix. Stubbs/Dickerson, Bruce/Heisey) as bad as the OF has been in Cincy lately that may make sense.

Bray probably goes down for Chapman.

Not sure who goes down when Bailey is activated. Ditto Isringhausen.

Springer fills the 40 man roster, so the Reds will need 40 man spots when Dickerson comes off the 60 day DL and Izzy is called up. I'm guessing a temporary fix would include Harang to the 60 day DL (his last game was June 30th so even with a rehab starting soon, he's probably out until Sept 1.) Later we'll probably see Danny Rae Herrera and Drew Sutton passed through waivers to open 40 man spots. If the Reds want to call-up Corky as a 3rd catcher and give looks to Cozart and Mesoraco in September, they'll need 40 man spots as well so those three may not be up in September.

GIDP
08-02-2010, 02:01 AM
I wish the Reds would just at Nix Career numbers and realize at best hes a 5th OF who can only hit RH pitching, and for the most part he does that poorly also.
Career Vs RH
.248/.288/.447

That is basically a completely average bat against RH pitching. He serves no purpose. I dont know why the Reds like him so much that they basically have made him the LH power threat.

Not to mention he strikes out 25-30% of the time as it is.

Pete4prez
08-02-2010, 02:13 AM
Chapman hit 100+ on two different pitches.

reds44
08-02-2010, 02:15 AM
There's just no room for Bailey right now. The Reds are probably going to stretch his rehab time out as long as they can. At that point, they'll have to decide if Homer or Volquez should be in the rotation, with the other one being optioned. Or there's always a possibility that Leake comes up with a phantom case of back sorness, and the Reds put him on the DL, skip 3 of his starts, and then put him back into the rotation 15 days later. That actually would make some sense. The Reds have a tricky decision of protecting Leake's arm vs. trying to win baseball games.

My best guess for Isringhausen is Springer, HOWEVER, there's no gurantee Isringhausen ever sees the majors. He's appeared in two games in AAA and has looked less than sharp in both of them. Isringhausen won't be here for at least a couple weeks, which puts us to the middle of August. At that point, they can decide which 2 of Smith, Isringhausen, and Springer they want on the playoff roster. Like I said, this still has some time to play itself out. If Smith continues to pitch like he has and Springer pitches well, you just won't ever see Isringhausen, IMO.

The Dickerson situation is where things get really mess. I just don't see how the Reds keep him in AAA with the way the OF is struggling and they way he is hitting down there. As much as I'd want to see it, I just can't see the Reds DFAing Nix. At this point, he is .279/.323/.467/.790. You really can't ask for a lot more off the bench. He just really doesn't warrant being sent down. Heisey is another guy who does way too many things well of the bench to be sent down. Like I said, I'd DFA Nix, but I think the most likely option is Stubbs is sent to AAA and, as mth said, we see a Dickerson/Heisey platoon in CF. At least until Stubbs straightens some things out. If Stubbs heats up in AAA and Nix cools off, you could always just go back and do that.

Chapman for Bray is going to happen soon. I like Bray, but he's just not good enough to block Chapman.

With all this being said, no team is going to benefit more from September callups than the Reds. And if Stubbs (or Dickerson) or Bray or Isringhausen show in September that they're better options than what would be on the playoff roster, it really wouldn't be hard to find phantom DL trips for people. Take a look at Mike Lincoln. He's been on the DL almost all year, anybody think he is still hurt/was hurt that bad to begin with? No.

This is my guess at the roster in two weeks:
Hanigan
Hernandez

Votto
Phillips
OC
Janish
Rolen
Cairo

Bruce
Dickerson
Heisey
Gomes
Nix (possibly Stubbs)

Cueto
Arroyo
Leake
Wood
Volquez (possibly Bailey)

Springer (possibly Isringhausen)
Chapman
Smith
Ondrusek
Masset
Rhodes
Cordero

reds44
08-02-2010, 02:21 AM
Another option for Homer would be keeping him on the DL as long as possible so you don't have to pass him through waivers, and then try to deal him for an outfielder like the Diamondbacks did with Owings in the Dunn trade.

mth123
08-02-2010, 02:54 AM
There is no way the Reds will send Homer through waivers. He'd be claimed immediately by AZ or Pittsburgh and lost for 25K. He doesn't have options left and his rehab will be over long before Sept 1 when Rosters expand.

Not sure of the exact rule, but if the Reds want the option of guys being eligible for post season, I think they need to be on the 25 man roster or the major league DL before Sept 1. So if the team wants to look at Izzy in September with the idea that he'll be in the pen in the play-offs, they can't wait until Rosters expand to add him. I'm thinking Phantom DL trips may be likely. The idea of Leake to the DL in late August to open a spot might work. Leake will be about at the point of reaching his IP max by then and it opens a spot for somebody to be eligible for the play-off roster. I'm guessing that this is the move to get Izzy on the active roster.

cinreds21
08-02-2010, 03:01 AM
There is no way the Reds will send Homer through waivers. He'd be claimed immediately by AZ or Pittsburgh and lost for 25K. He doesn't have options left and his rehab will be over long before Sept 1 when Rosters expand.

Not sure of the exact rule, but if the Reds want the option of guys being eligible for post season, I think they need to be on the 25 man roster or the major league DL before Sept 1. So if the team wants to look at Izzy in September with the idea that he'll be in the pen in the play-offs, they can't wait until Rosters expand to add him. I'm thinking Phantom DL trips may be likely. The idea of Leake to the DL in late August to open a spot might work. Leake will be about at the point of reaching his IP max by then and it opens a spot for somebody to be eligible for the play-off roster. I'm guessing that this is the move to get Izzy on the active roster.

That's correct.

reds44
08-02-2010, 03:06 AM
Unless somebody on the 25 man roster gets injured, then you can have somebody not on the 25 or DL take his spot. If Isringhausen came up in September and out pitched Springer, Springer could always come up with a mysetrious back injury allowing Isringhausen to take his spot.

I'm pretty sure if Homer is on the DL he doesn't have to be sent through waivers to be traded. Besides, the Reds are going to try to pass every player through waivers anyway. All teams do it. If somebody puts a claim in on a player. who just pull them back.

Also, if the Reds put Leake on the DL, it'll be to make room for Bailey, not Isringhausen.

mth123
08-02-2010, 03:26 AM
Unless somebody on the 25 man roster gets injured, then you can have somebody not on the 25 or DL take his spot. If Isringhausen came up in September and out pitched Springer, Springer could always come up with a mysetrious back injury allowing Isringhausen to take his spot.

I'm pretty sure if Homer is on the DL he doesn't have to be sent through waivers to be traded. Besides, the Reds are going to try to pass every player through waivers anyway. All teams do it. If somebody puts a claim in on a player. who just pull them back.

Also, if the Reds put Leake on the DL, it'll be to make room for Bailey, not Isringhausen.

Pulling him back keeps him on the roster. If the idea is to send him down to AAA, he can't be pulled back.

camisadelgolf
08-02-2010, 03:27 AM
Let me clear this up for everyone.

Once you are added onto the 40-man roster, you have 3 option years. Say player X was added this past off-season to the 40 man for the first time. This spring training he was sent down, that is one option used. Say he spent the entire year in the minors.
Spring 2011 he was sent down again, that's his second option used. Say he got called up in May, that's fine. Then he was sent back down later in the year, he has only used two option years (2010, 2011)
Then 2012 he was sent down in spring training. That is his third and final option. He can be called up and sent down as many times during any of the three years. Once 2013 comes around, player X CANNOT be sent down without first going through waivers.
So in other words, you have 3 option YEARS. You can be sent down as many times during a season as long as you have an option year left.

Now, there are some exceptions to the rule.
1) A player can gain a 4th option year if he has LESS THAN 5 years of minor league service. (Yonder Alonso falls under this rule. He signed a big league contract in 2008 and was sent down, first option used. Then in 2009 he was sent down, second used. And now this year his third has been used. In 2011 he can be sent down a 4th time because he has less than 5 years of minor league time.)
2) If a player is optioned and recalled less than 20 days after, that option was not used.
This is a very important post for people who want to know about options. To help clarify the exceptions at the bottom, I'm going to use Yonder Alonso as an example.

First of all, he signed a major league deal. A lot of people were freaking out about this because they thought it meant he would have to be rushed to the big leagues and stick to the major league roster by 2011. However, both exceptions listed above allow the Reds to wait until 2013 before needing to keeping him on the 25-man roster.

Starting with the second exception, the Reds called him up for 18 days in September of 2008. This made sure he would have less than 20 days on an optional assignment which means that an option year was not used in 2008. Had he spent just a little while longer in the minor leagues, it would have been his first option year. It was a clever loophole used by the Reds.

This is where the first exception applied to Yonder Alonso. Because he will have less than five years of professional service by the time his third option is used--unless he isn't optioned next season, which is unlikely--he will qualify for a fourth option year.

For another example of a fourth option year, this is how Bill Bray managed to qualify. If a player is optioned in three seasons but doesn't have at least five full seasons of professional experience, he qualifies for a fourth option year. A player must be on an active professional roster for at least 90 days for the season to count for the sake of determining whether a player qualifies for a fourth option. However, if he spends at least 60 days on an active roster before being put on the 60-day DL, he may get credit for a full season of professional service.

If you look at Bill Bray, you'll notice that he has played in parts of every season since he was drafted.

2004: signed a minor league contract but spent less than 90 days on a roster--not a full season
2005: spent entire year in the minors; first full professional season
2006: called up in June and stayed in the Major Leagues--second full season
2007: struggled with the Reds--first option used and third full season of service
2008: didn't make the team out of spring training--second option used and fourth full season of service
2009: third option used in spring training but was not on an active roster for at least 60 days before being put on the 60-day DL; therefore, it was not a full season
2010: this will turn out to be his fifth full season, and this is also his fourth and final option year

camisadelgolf
08-02-2010, 03:28 AM
Unless somebody on the 25 man roster gets injured, then you can have somebody not on the 25 or DL take his spot. If Isringhausen came up in September and out pitched Springer, Springer could always come up with a mysetrious back injury allowing Isringhausen to take his spot.

I'm pretty sure if Homer is on the DL he doesn't have to be sent through waivers to be traded. Besides, the Reds are going to try to pass every player through waivers anyway. All teams do it. If somebody puts a claim in on a player. who just pull them back.

Also, if the Reds put Leake on the DL, it'll be to make room for Bailey, not Isringhausen.
The MLBPA would flip out and file a grievance if Leake voluntarily went on the DL.

mth123
08-02-2010, 03:34 AM
The MLBPA would flip out and file a grievance if Leake voluntarily went on the DL.

Why? The Reds could simply option him to keep his IP down and that potentially would push his free agency back a year.

dougdirt
08-02-2010, 03:43 AM
Why? The Reds could simply option him to keep his IP down and that potentially would push his free agency back a year.

Because the MLBPA doesn't want guys having free agency pushed back a year, or being sent down for no real reason (performing poorly gets you sent down, not 'extra year of players rights in 5 years'). That is why the MLBPA exists, to protect the rights of the players.

reds44
08-02-2010, 04:09 AM
There's no way you option him down, but phantom DL trips happen all the time.


The MLBPA would flip out and file a grievance if Leake voluntarily went on the DL.
No way, not if Leake agreed to do it to keep his innings down. Now if Leake didn't want to go on the DL and said he wasn't hurt, sure, but if the Reds and Leake talked about it beforehand nothing would happen.

I really doubt any of the phantom DL trips happen anyway. Just saying the possibility exists.

dougdirt
08-02-2010, 04:21 AM
There's no way you option him down, but phantom DL trips happen all the time.


No way, not if Leake agreed to do it to keep his innings down. Now if Leake didn't want to go on the DL and said he wasn't hurt, sure, but if the Reds and Leake talked about it beforehand nothing would happen.

I really doubt any of the phantom DL trips happen anyway. Just saying the possibility exists.

I bet something would still happen. And there is no way Leake agrees to it. He goes from a $400,000 salary to a $65,000 salary by being optioned (prorated of course, but still). The MLBPA would fight it and if nothing else, claim that Leake was too young and naive to understand what he was agreeing to let happen.

reds44
08-02-2010, 04:29 AM
I bet something would still happen. And there is no way Leake agrees to it. He goes from a $400,000 salary to a $65,000 salary by being optioned (prorated of course, but still). The MLBPA would fight it and if nothing else, claim that Leake was too young and naive to understand what he was agreeing to let happen.
No, no, no. I'm not saying being optioned, I'm talking about a phantom trip to the DL. Same amount of money, just doesn't pitch for 2 weeks.

There's no doubt if he were optioned, if he comes up with a mysterious back injury, what's there to fight?

dougdirt
08-02-2010, 04:59 AM
No, no, no. I'm not saying being optioned, I'm talking about a phantom trip to the DL. Same amount of money, just doesn't pitch for 2 weeks.

There's no doubt if he were optioned, if he comes up with a mysterious back injury, what's there to fight?

Then maybe, but Leake better not tell someone he agreed to it. If he does, the MLBPA will come calling with their lawyers. As to what there is to fight.... him not playing. The MLBPA does not like things like that happening.

camisadelgolf
08-02-2010, 05:11 AM
No, no, no. I'm not saying being optioned, I'm talking about a phantom trip to the DL. Same amount of money, just doesn't pitch for 2 weeks.

There's no doubt if he were optioned, if he comes up with a mysterious back injury, what's there to fight?
There would actually have to be evidence of an injury for a player to go on the DL. If a doctor signs off on it, it's malpractice. And again, that's even without the union getting involved.

GIDP
08-02-2010, 07:48 AM
Id suggest not being able to throw a ton more innings would count as bad performance. I wonder how much the MLBPA would complain if a team tried to start the same pitcher every day.

Tampa Red
08-02-2010, 08:08 AM
Leake could be the odd man out regardless. He hasn't exactly been lights out. Over his last 8 starts dating back to June 10, he's allowed 79 baserunners and 30 earned runs in 48 innings. Those numbers add up to a 1.646 WHIP and 5.625 ERA.

Furthermore, there's really no guarantee that Leake would even be on a postseason roster. Would the Reds still carry 12 pitchers when you only utilize 3 starters?

Those factors combined with the need to limit Leake's pitches lead to a semi-logical conclusion, Leake is a prime candidate to be farmed out. A couple of more below average starts and he could be shut down just prior to the September 1 playoff eligibility deadline, opening that spot for another deserving player.

PuffyPig
08-02-2010, 08:10 AM
Furthermore, there's really no guarantee that Leake would even be on a postseason roster. Would the Reds still carry 12 pitchers when you only utilize 3 starters?



You generally utilize 4 starters in the playoffs.

Tampa Red
08-02-2010, 08:22 AM
You generally utilize 4 starters in the playoffs.

You are correct, I am wrong. Utilizing only 3 starters in a single series is not uncommon, though. The 2009 Yankees won the series in 6 games with Sabathia, Burnett and Petitte each starting 2 games vs. the Phillies.

_Sir_Charles_
08-02-2010, 09:20 AM
He got out of it. Beautiful work from Chapman.

1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K
16 pitches, 9 strikes, 7 balls.

LOL. If that had been Cordero, everyone would've been going nuts on the walk..."here we go again".

I like the upside of Chapman, but I think he'd give reds fans more heartattacks than Cordero would. I want him to stay down there until he figures out his control issues. The K's are great, but those walks. *shivers*

Grande Donkey
08-02-2010, 09:25 AM
LOL. If that had been Cordero, everyone would've been going nuts on the walk..."here we go again".

I like the upside of Chapman, but I think he'd give reds fans more heartattacks than Cordero would. I want him to stay down there until he figures out his control issues. The K's are great, but those walks. *shivers*He gave up one walk and no hits in two innings. I was under the impression that a WHIP of .5 was a good thing...

He has given up 2 walks in his last 9.1 innings.

_Sir_Charles_
08-02-2010, 09:28 AM
He gave up one walk and no hits in two innings. I was under the impression that a WHIP of .5 was a good thing...

He has given up 2 walks in his last 9.1 innings.

I know. I was commenting on that ONE inning. I hadn't read past that post yet. He allowed a walk to load the bases and got the K's to escape. If that had been Cordero that one inning, we would've seen the usual RZ meltdown.

And I agree that he's been much better of late. But this 9 inning run he's on is just that....9 innings. I want to see consistency over a longer stretch than 9 innings. His walk rate this season has been disturbing IMO.

GIDP
08-02-2010, 11:32 AM
LOL. If that had been Cordero, everyone would've been going nuts on the walk..."here we go again".

I like the upside of Chapman, but I think he'd give reds fans more heartattacks than Cordero would. I want him to stay down there until he figures out his control issues. The K's are great, but those walks. *shivers*

We would be blown away that he struck 2 guys out in an inning.

OnBaseMachine
08-02-2010, 12:39 PM
From the Louisville Courier-Journal:


Aroldis Chapman (8-6) picked up the victory by working two scoreless innings, including pitching out of a bases-loaded, one-out jam in the 10th. Chapman got a strikeout and a groundout to end the threat and earn the applause of the Louisville Slugger Field crowd of 7,638.

“He's looked very, very good,” manager Rick Sweet said of Chapman. “That's the first time I've brought Chapman in in the middle of an inning with runners on base.”


http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100801/SPORTS07/308010073/1036/Sutton+s+single+beats+Clippers+3-2+as+Bats++streak+hits+10

Cedric
08-02-2010, 01:05 PM
Chapman and the control issues are severely overblown. The guy was working out of the rotation and threw a ton of off speed stuff no matter what the count was.

He's going to be fine.

GOYA
08-02-2010, 01:12 PM
Chapman and the control issues are severely overblown.

Chapman's control has improved. It was never overblown. He had very, very poor control. Especially with men on base.

Superdude
08-02-2010, 01:15 PM
The guy was working out of the rotation and threw a ton of off speed stuff no matter what the count was.

Did the Reds ever come out and say that Chapman was told to throw a certain percentage of off-speed pitches? I watched a few of Chapman's starts and it seemed like he threw a stupid amount of off speed stuff for a guy who throws that hard. I haven't watched him recently, but hopefully that work early in the season is paying off and he's not just resorting back to heat out of the bullpen.

reds44
08-02-2010, 01:21 PM
I know. I was commenting on that ONE inning. I hadn't read past that post yet. He allowed a walk to load the bases and got the K's to escape. If that had been Cordero that one inning, we would've seen the usual RZ meltdown.

And I agree that he's been much better of late. But this 9 inning run he's on is just that....9 innings. I want to see consistency over a longer stretch than 9 innings. His walk rate this season has been disturbing IMO.
He came in with 1st and 3rd nobody out and got out of it. The walk came with first base open and 1 out.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

GOYA
08-02-2010, 01:31 PM
He came in with 1st and 3rd nobody out and got out of it. The walk came with first base open and 1 out.

And it should be noted that the runner moved from 1B to 2B on a Chapman wild pitch. He's a lot better, but still has some control problems.

GIDP
08-02-2010, 01:34 PM
Chapman has control problems but so do hitters when they have trouble controlling their bat trying to figure out if they should lay off the 103.

GOYA
08-02-2010, 01:49 PM
Chapman has control problems but so do hitters when they have trouble controlling their bat trying to figure out if they should lay off the 103.

They sure do. And Chapman has thrown 103 a total of two times this season. Once was during warm ups. Hitters don't really have a problem laying off pitches bouncing 3 feet in front of the plate and 2 feet outside. He's done that a lot more than twice. He's doing a lot better but nobody should think his control problems have completely disappeared.