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Redlegs_87
08-01-2010, 08:25 PM
EDIT: Didn't see the other thread with this in it before I posted. My bad



Cuban fireballer Aroldis Chapman is close to being ready to be called to the big leagues, said Reds general manager Walt Jocketty.

The Reds have received “very good” reports on him, he said.

“The reports are he’s adapting and feeling more comfortable down there (coming out of the bullpen),” Jocketty said.

It’s just a matter of some refinement for Chapman now – getting 100 percent command and consistency.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100801/SPT04/308010055/1071/Middle-men-make-the-difference

redsrolen
08-01-2010, 08:27 PM
Great News! I can't wait to see him pitch!

OldRed1966
08-01-2010, 09:06 PM
The question is who goes down? And what do the Reds do when Bailey and Harang are ready to come of the DL. Some very tough decisions to make for the Reds.

RedsFanInBama
08-01-2010, 09:11 PM
I think Harang may not be ready for the rest of the year. Or at least for a long time. Not sure what's going to happen with Bailey. I'd put him in line to take Leake's spot when his innings are up, but based on how often Leake is pitching, that could still be quite a ways off.

Hondo
08-01-2010, 09:40 PM
I think Harang may not be ready for the rest of the year. Or at least for a long time. Not sure what's going to happen with Bailey. I'd put him in line to take Leake's spot when his innings are up, but based on how often Leake is pitching, that could still be quite a ways off.

I think they are going to use him in the Bull Pen as an 8th Inning Set up man the rest of this year. Or were you just refering to the roster spot? If so I apologize.

bshall2105
08-01-2010, 09:51 PM
Hasn't Walt been saying this basically the whole season? I remember 2 months ago he was going to be called up in three weeks but that never happened.

scott91575
08-01-2010, 10:20 PM
No way do they send down Ondrusek. That means it's Smith who gets replaced. That or he is simply a September call up.

bshall2105
08-01-2010, 10:23 PM
No way do they send down Ondrusek. That means it's Smith who gets replaced. That or he is simply a September call up.

It will be Bray before Smith. Bray's a fellow lefty and has been the least impressive in the bullpen other than Cordero.

RedsFanInBama
08-01-2010, 10:24 PM
Agreed. No way you can send Smith down right now. He's pitching too well. It will be Bray IMO. Lefty for lefty.

scott91575
08-01-2010, 10:26 PM
Agreed. No way you can send Smith down right now. He's pitching too well. It will be Bray IMO. Lefty for lefty.

Does he have any options left? At 27 it's unlikely. I would not like to see Bray gone for nothing.

davereds24
08-01-2010, 10:27 PM
You never know, I'm sure Dusty would love having 3 lefties in the pen to help limit Arthur.

RedsFanInBama
08-01-2010, 10:28 PM
You're probably right. I'd be a shame to see that happen on a team in contention.

Of course I've been kind of puzzled by Smith. Not sure how he was getting hit the way he was in AA and yet he can be this good at the ML level. Makes me think at some point this season he'll come back to earth. But his stuff looks legit.

Edit: I see now that Smith is pretty horrendous against lefties.

bshall2105
08-01-2010, 10:31 PM
You're probably right. I'd be a shame to see that happen on a team in contention.

Truth be told, I feel as good about Smith's chances of getting a given lefty out as I do Bray's. Of course I've been kind of puzzled by Smith. Not sure how he was getting hit the way he was in AA and yet he can be this good at the ML level. Makes me think at some point this season he'll come back to earth. But his stuff looks legit.

It's more than likely because he's a groundball pitcher. It's a lot easier to get people out with 3 gold glovers in the infield, people actually make plays up here.

sabometrics
08-01-2010, 10:36 PM
Hasn't Walt been saying this basically the whole season? I remember 2 months ago he was going to be called up in three weeks but that never happened.

I'm not sure he's gone on the record said "he's close to being called up" before, but he has always said he is improving and will be called up only when he is ready. Only, this time it's pretty clear that Chapman is only a few baby steps away. He's gone 9 straight appearances without an earned run, he's pitched on back-to-back days on two separate occasions, and adding today, he has pitched in 5 out of the last 7 days. He's showing he can perform day-in, day-out, and be damn good at it. If he's not up within the next 10 days or so I will be surprised.

bshall2105
08-01-2010, 10:51 PM
I have a question for anybody that has seen Aroldis pitch.

Does he show a lot of emotion when he's on the mound? If he gets out of a big jam like he did tonight does he celebrate, or just go back to the dugout? Also if he walks somebody in a big situation does he show frustration, or just get the ball back and attack the next hitter?

GIDP
08-01-2010, 11:09 PM
Chapman's last 8 appearances: 9.1 IP, 6 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 15 K

I guess thats good

ILoveWilly
08-01-2010, 11:21 PM
I think Owings can be a decent 4 or 5 in a rotation for a team, I don't understand why we couldn't have traded him and got ANYTHING for him, instead of possibly just releasing him or something.

Kiko
08-01-2010, 11:21 PM
bshall, I saw Chapman pitch last week against the Gwinnett Braves. He wasn't emotional one way or the other. Averaged 95+ and hit 100 mph once (crowd gasped). His off speed was 84-86. Someone hit a rocket back through the mound which he caught. The key for Chapman is to throw strikes. Nothing worse than a reliever who walks guys.

sabometrics
08-01-2010, 11:32 PM
I have a question for anybody that has seen Aroldis pitch.

Does he show a lot of emotion when he's on the mound? If he gets out of a big jam like he did tonight does he celebrate, or just go back to the dugout? Also if he walks somebody in a big situation does he show frustration, or just get the ball back and attack the next hitter?

From a few instances reading here on the boards I believe Chapman is known to catch balls thrown back to him after a pitch barehanded if he feels he's being squeezed/is frustrated.

I don't know how long ago I read those reports though.

Jr's Boy
08-01-2010, 11:38 PM
Where do they have room for him?Rosters aren't expanding for a while now.Send down Masset,Ondrusek?Bray,Rhodes are the only lefties out the pen.With Springer coming up you gotta send Fisher down.Question is do you send Wood down for Bailey and mess up the continuity of the rotation right now?
Not to mention the talk about Homer in the bullpen so Wood could stay up.You can't put a bunch of arms in the pen with out a roster spot.

sabometrics
08-02-2010, 12:19 AM
Where do they have room for him?Rosters aren't expanding for a while now.Send down Masset,Ondrusek?Bray,Rhodes are the only lefties out the pen.With Springer coming up you gotta send Fisher down.Question is do you send Wood down for Bailey and mess up the continuity of the rotation right now?
Not to mention the talk about Homer in the bullpen so Wood could stay up.You can't put a bunch of arms in the pen with out a roster spot.

Masset, Ondrusek, Rhodes, and Cordero are 100% staying. Smith is like 90%, with his inexperience being the factor that keeps him from 100%. Wood isn't going anywhere, not the way he's pitching.

bshall2105
08-02-2010, 12:23 AM
Masset, Ondrusek, Rhodes, and Cordero are 100% staying. Smith is like 90%, with his inexperience being the factor that keeps him from 100%. Wood isn't going anywhere, not the way he's pitching.

Exactly, and now that I know Bray can be optioned this year I'm convinced he's the guy that loses his spot to Chapman.

RedsFanInBama
08-02-2010, 12:40 AM
I think Owings can be a decent 4 or 5 in a rotation for a team, I don't understand why we couldn't have traded him and got ANYTHING for him, instead of possibly just releasing him or something.

We still could trade him for something.

bshall2105
08-02-2010, 12:44 AM
We still could trade him for something.

We might be able to get a bucket of baseballs for him, that may be a a little too much to ask though.

scott91575
08-02-2010, 12:58 AM
Exactly, and now that I know Bray can be optioned this year I'm convinced he's the guy that loses his spot to Chapman.

Bray has options left? I know he played in the minors in '06, and used an option in '08. I am not sure about '07. He was in the minors, but I am not sure if that was a burned option. '09 he had some minor league time also. Was there enough rehab time to save an option for him?

bshall2105
08-02-2010, 01:34 AM
Bray has options left? I know he played in the minors in '06, and used an option in '08. I am not sure about '07. He was in the minors, but I am not sure if that was a burned option. '09 he had some minor league time also. Was there enough rehab time to save an option for him?

According to Reds44 in the minor league thread Bill Bray has been optioned once this year, so apparently he does have one more left.

sabometrics
08-02-2010, 02:07 AM
Good to know. Gives us a little more wiggle room.

757690
08-02-2010, 03:52 AM
Adding Chapman could be better than adding any of the relievers that were on the market at the deadline.

He could be like K-Rod in 2002 for the Angels, who was the main reason why the Angels won the World Series that year.

scott91575
08-02-2010, 06:58 AM
According to Reds44 in the minor league thread Bill Bray has been optioned once this year, so apparently he does have one more left.

It does look like he was optioned to Louisville to start the year.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/2010-03-18-3608676657_x.htm

I guess an option wasn't used in 2007.

Old NDN
08-02-2010, 01:21 PM
bshall, I saw Chapman pitch last week against the Gwinnett Braves. He wasn't emotional one way or the other. Averaged 95+ and hit 100 mph once (crowd gasped). His off speed was 84-86. Someone hit a rocket back through the mound which he caught. The key for Chapman is to throw strikes. Nothing worse than a reliever who walks guys.

Yeah, we already have a few who can't throw strikes consistently: Volquez, Cordero, Masset, Bray, Bailey. They all seem to go through stretches where they can't seem to get ahead of batters.

brm7675
08-02-2010, 01:23 PM
Smart thing would be to leave him there till Sept. Right now the bullpen is humming and no reason to demote those who are doing the job.

bshall2105
08-02-2010, 01:48 PM
Smart thing would be to leave him there till Sept. Right now the bullpen is humming and no reason to demote those who are doing the job.

Chapman is blowing people away right now in AAA. If he's going to come up and be our best reliever, that is a good reason to demote somebody.

Trace's Daddy
08-02-2010, 02:37 PM
I'm so glad the Reds didn't trade prospects for a reliever. Looking forward to seeing him toss some of that 100mph heat.

lidspinner
08-02-2010, 03:47 PM
Smart thing would be to leave him there till Sept. Right now the bullpen is humming and no reason to demote those who are doing the job.

good point....I see both sides of this...I dont think there is a wrong way to go about this...that is until the move is made and we can use hindsight to see what happened....but Chapman needs to be up here in Bill Brays spot, IMO.....why not?

UPRedsFan
08-02-2010, 04:11 PM
Seems like there might be some roster trickery that gets Chapman here without losing Bray until we get to Sept.

Could demote Janish (since he's not being used anyway) and keep him on a short leash (i.e. only if the Bats are staying in Lou for awhile and the Reds are home so he can be at the ballpark in a couple hours). Maybe that buys a week.

Or demote Leake or Wood after they pitch and go with an 8 man pen and bring them back when it's their turn again. That buys 4 days for Wood and maybe 3 or 4 more for Leake or vice versa. Or you could even stretch that another 2 or 3 days if you demote Smith or Ondrusek or Bray when they would need rest anyway if they've pitched a few days in a row.

New York Red
08-02-2010, 04:13 PM
I don't know who will be sent down when/if Chapman is called up, but it sure is nice to have talented options available now, after years of being so shorthanded. It's exciting to be a Reds fan again! Now sweep the Bucs!

couch_manager
08-02-2010, 04:18 PM
I don't see how Chapman comes up here before September. I'm not convinced that he's done with his control problems. Hitters are more patient in the big leagues.

AintlifeGrande
08-02-2010, 06:27 PM
Exactly, and now that I know Bray can be optioned this year I'm convinced he's the guy that loses his spot to Chapman.

Bray has busted his butt to get back to the bigs,and the only leftie besides Rhodes.Of course you can option him down to the minors and ride Rhodes arm till it falls off.

sabometrics
08-02-2010, 07:24 PM
I like Bray as much as the next guy but Chapman's talent and his numbers over the last month are going to necessitate that he gets a look before the playoff rosters have to be set. We have to get some idea what he can do in the majors over the course of 5-10 appearances before August 31st. If Chapman comes up in September and absolutely dominates, or even just proves he's better than Bray, people will be livid that he would be ineligible for the playoffs.

bshall2105
08-02-2010, 10:09 PM
Bray has busted his butt to get back to the bigs,and the only leftie besides Rhodes.Of course you can option him down to the minors and ride Rhodes arm till it falls off.

Chapman would be replacing Bray. You do realize he is left handed don't you? I don't get how switching one lefty for another would invlove riding Rhodes until his arm falls off.

RedsFanInBama
08-02-2010, 10:20 PM
Mike Lincoln busted his butt to get back to the big leagues too. Sometimes that's just not good enough.

Girevik
08-03-2010, 11:16 AM
Or demote Leake or Wood after they pitch and go with an 8 man pen and bring them back when it's their turn again. That buys 4 days for Wood and maybe 3 or 4 more for Leake or vice versa. Or you could even stretch that another 2 or 3 days if you demote Smith or Ondrusek or Bray when they would need rest anyway if they've pitched a few days in a row.

Don't you have to wait at least a week before you can bring a guy pack up after demoting him, unless he's coming up to replace someone going on the DL?

CWRed
08-03-2010, 01:51 PM
Chapman would be replacing Bray. You do realize he is left handed don't you? I don't get how switching one lefty for another would invlove riding Rhodes until his arm falls off.

Yeah the decision seems easy. Bray gets sent down. He hasn't been as good as everyone else has been lately. Ondrusek has 18+ scoreless inning streak. And it's lefty for lefty like you said. This thread could have been much shorter. Very perplexing.

sabometrics
08-03-2010, 06:25 PM
Don't you have to wait at least a week before you can bring a guy pack up after demoting him, unless he's coming up to replace someone going on the DL?

Yes, You have to wait 10 days minimum unless the player is replacing someone who went to the DL.

Maker_84
08-03-2010, 06:39 PM
it feels really good to know that the Reds organization right now is extremely deep!!!

brm7675
08-03-2010, 06:53 PM
Chapman is blowing people away right now in AAA. If he's going to come up and be our best reliever, that is a good reason to demote somebody.


I would be shocked if he came up and was the best. There is a hUGE difference in AAA players and the major leagues. Best to let him continue to learn, because right now I don't see him better then anyone in our bullpen.

brm7675
08-03-2010, 06:54 PM
I like Bray as much as the next guy but Chapman's talent and his numbers over the last month are going to necessitate that he gets a look before the playoff rosters have to be set. We have to get some idea what he can do in the majors over the course of 5-10 appearances before August 31st. If Chapman comes up in September and absolutely dominates, or even just proves he's better than Bray, people will be livid that he would be ineligible for the playoffs.

Do you really want that kid pitching in a playoff game? I don't, i want pitchers with a ton of ML experience and to use it when it counts. Let the kid mature a little more before that presure is added to him.

lidspinner
08-03-2010, 09:09 PM
Do you really want that kid pitching in a playoff game? I don't, i want pitchers with a ton of ML experience and to use it when it counts. Let the kid mature a little more before that presure is added to him.


it goes both ways brm....batters are not going to have a sheet on chapman to go off of....he might just dominate since no one has seen him pitch yet...just the way as Mike Leake done great his first time seeing each team, now that the league has a bead on him, he is comming down to earth.....who knows, Chapman might just be the best when the batters have not seen what he has. I am not saying your wrong, just saying the batters have to adjust as well and tons of pressure.

Hondo
08-04-2010, 12:05 AM
it goes both ways brm....batters are not going to have a sheet on chapman to go off of....he might just dominate since no one has seen him pitch yet...just the way as Mike Leake done great his first time seeing each team, now that the league has a bead on him, he is comming down to earth.....who knows, Chapman might just be the best when the batters have not seen what he has. I am not saying your wrong, just saying the batters have to adjust as well and tons of pressure.

I think the Pirates just strung together some LUCKY hits... He was great the other Innings....

bigredmechanism
08-04-2010, 12:30 AM
Maybe this sounds ridiculous, but I honestly feel like the parrot mascot had Leake flustered tonight. Don't remember the 1st inning, but I didn't see him behind the plate any other inning after McCutchen getting hit.

e: Anyway, I'd like to see Chapman called up for the same reasons as lidspinner said. Remember Joba Chamberlain coming up for the Yanks? He basically carried that bullpen (and that team to an extent.) Maybe the playoffs didnt work out, but I think a 102+mph LHP with no real scouting reports on him sounds pretty good. I'm not sure who would get replaced, though.

LeDoux
08-04-2010, 01:29 AM
Maybe this sounds ridiculous, but I honestly feel like the parrot mascot had Leake flustered tonight. Don't remember the 1st inning, but I didn't see him behind the plate any other inning after McCutchen getting hit.

That is no ordinary parrot mascot. That was Mike Lincoln in that suit and he means business! Leake stole his spot in the rotation in ST and he will not rest until he gets it back.

1990REDS
08-05-2010, 05:05 PM
Heres the latest on Chapman.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/notebook/_/page/bbtn100805/baseball-tonight-clubhouse

1990REDS
08-05-2010, 05:07 PM
103 MPH now thats gas!!! Honestly ive never heard of that kind of MPH in a game before. Anyone know what is the hardest anyone ever been clocked in a game before.

mroby85
08-05-2010, 05:12 PM
I think I remember Randy Johnson when I was younger hitting 102, but I don't ever remember hearing of 103 before...

scott91575
08-05-2010, 05:18 PM
I think I remember Randy Johnson when I was younger hitting 102, but I don't ever remember hearing of 103 before...

Joel Zumaya hit 103 a few years ago. There were even tshirts made and he would sign baseball with his signature and a "103."

He then hit 104 last year...

http://detroit4lyfe.com/images/stories/zoom%20ks%20milton%20on%20104%20mph%20cheese.jpg

Strasburg supposedly hit 103 recently.

BuckWild03
08-05-2010, 05:20 PM
I think I remember Randy Johnson when I was younger hitting 102, but I don't ever remember hearing of 103 before...

Apparently Joel Zumaya was clocked at 104.8 mph in 2006 and that is the only pitch ever clocked at over 103.

BuckWild03
08-05-2010, 05:21 PM
Beat me to it Scott!

scott91575
08-05-2010, 05:29 PM
Beat me to it Scott!

Well, I went with the radar gun number on that pitch (103). That 104.8 number used a different technology (supposedly better). The radar guns at the park measured that pitch at 102 to 103. So that one is sort of up for debate since it used different tech than radar guns (so not a direct comparison). Yet it's still considered the highest ever recorded.

He did hit 104 on a radar gun last year.

redsfan_12
08-05-2010, 05:46 PM
I would be shocked if he came up and was the best. There is a hUGE difference in AAA players and the major leagues. Best to let him continue to learn, because right now I don't see him better then anyone in our bullpen.

And there's a humongous difference in AA and MLB, and Jordan Smith mows them down here

Vottomatic
08-05-2010, 06:01 PM
I hit 112 mph throwing in my back yard but nobody was around to see it happen. :D

Can we send Cordero down? :)

couch_manager
08-05-2010, 08:47 PM
So the Reds say that Chapman has hit 103 on the radar gun huh? Didn't they say that Volquez was hitting 98 consistently in his rehab starts? The highest I've seen him hit the gun since he's been up here is 96. For the most part, he's been around 95.

I'm expecting more like 98 to 99 when he gets up here, which still ain't bad.

CincyReds2003
08-05-2010, 08:49 PM
Kenny Powers hit 101 when he knocked Mackworthy's eye out. Let's sign him.

couch_manager
08-05-2010, 08:51 PM
Kenny Powers hit 101 when he knocked Mackworthy's eye out. Let's sign him.

Kenny Powers is the man. I hear he's pitching in the Mexican League this year. :D

CincyReds2003
08-05-2010, 08:53 PM
Kenny Powers is the man. I hear he's pitching in the Mexican League this year. :D


And he already has an endorsement with K-Swiss..And he can bring his assistant Stevie Janowski with him as well..I can just imagine him cussing out Dusty..

couch_manager
08-05-2010, 08:59 PM
And he already has an endorsement with K-Swiss..And he can bring his assistant Stevie Janowski with him as well..I can just imagine him cussing out Dusty..

I don't care as long as he brings April! :luvu:

CincyReds2003
08-05-2010, 09:04 PM
I don't care as long as he brings April! :luvu:


And he'll have cookouts that smokes her little principal having cookouts. We're talking loads of macaroni and cheeses, baked potatoes, a horse, and even the Spoonman from the Soundgarden videos