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sabometrics
08-04-2010, 12:16 AM
Scotty!

Heath
08-04-2010, 12:16 AM
My favorite part about this team is that they never give up. Today, win or lose, was another fine example of that. These guys just keep on coming...if they don't have enough, then they don't have enough, but they certainly leave it all on the field each day. It's just a joy to watch these guys. :thumbup:

In August nonetheless. In a pennant race. Word.

Boss-Hog
08-04-2010, 12:16 AM
Leadoff hit

reds44
08-04-2010, 12:16 AM
Come on Jonny!!!

Captain Hook
08-04-2010, 12:17 AM
Just keep your clothes on is all we ask....

....and if you can't do that stay inside.

Tom Servo
08-04-2010, 12:17 AM
Scotty basehit

Reds Fanatic
08-04-2010, 12:17 AM
Good start. Rolen singles to left.

sabometrics
08-04-2010, 12:17 AM
What a hanger.

Tom Servo
08-04-2010, 12:17 AM
Terrible at-bat

reds44
08-04-2010, 12:17 AM
AWESOME at bat Gomes. Way to go.

edabbs44
08-04-2010, 12:17 AM
oh no JG

Chip R
08-04-2010, 12:17 AM
I smell Rally Onion.

Reds Fanatic
08-04-2010, 12:17 AM
Gomes fouls out to 3rd on the first pitch.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2010, 12:18 AM
one pitch, one out

Heath
08-04-2010, 12:18 AM
Alright boys, I'm in the middle of nowhere. I only got youse guys.

vaticanplum
08-04-2010, 12:18 AM
Rally onion time.

edit: wow, Chip.

kaldaniels
08-04-2010, 12:18 AM
Can't blame him for swinging at that, can blame him for not executing on his swing.

WebScorpion
08-04-2010, 12:18 AM
Just don't GIDP...I want Heisey to get a shot. :pray:

kbrake
08-04-2010, 12:18 AM
Bruce needs Drake in a bad way.

Reds Fanatic
08-04-2010, 12:18 AM
Horrible looking swing. 1-1 count.

Chip R
08-04-2010, 12:18 AM
Rally onion time.

edit: wow, Chip.

I know. :eek:

reds44
08-04-2010, 12:19 AM
here it comes

Heath
08-04-2010, 12:19 AM
Rally onion time.

edit: wow, Chip.


No one does rally cucumber anymore.

nemesis
08-04-2010, 12:19 AM
Alright boys, I'm in the middle of nowhere. I only got youse guys.

Big hanging breaking ball Gomes shoulda hit over the wall but popped up in foul ground.

Reds Fanatic
08-04-2010, 12:19 AM
Just foul at 1st. 1-2 count.

edabbs44
08-04-2010, 12:19 AM
1-2 count on bruce, foul down 1st base line

Tom Servo
08-04-2010, 12:19 AM
Bruce K's.

sabometrics
08-04-2010, 12:19 AM
Listless.

nemesis
08-04-2010, 12:19 AM
Lost.

edabbs44
08-04-2010, 12:19 AM
whiff. not good.

Reds Fanatic
08-04-2010, 12:19 AM
Bruce strikes out swinging. 2 outs. Heisey up.

Chip R
08-04-2010, 12:20 AM
He's really got no clue up there.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2010, 12:20 AM
If you send Stubbs down, you muist consider sending Bruce down.

Heath
08-04-2010, 12:20 AM
Here comes the Reds hottest hitter.

He needs to pretend he's PH ing.

edabbs44
08-04-2010, 12:20 AM
0-2 on heisey

edabbs44
08-04-2010, 12:21 AM
um...that cameraman is a perv

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-04-2010, 12:21 AM
Leadoff hit and our two worst hitters (Gomes and Bruce) can't so much as make contact.

Make fair contact

Tom Servo
08-04-2010, 12:21 AM
sigh

Chip R
08-04-2010, 12:21 AM
Ugh

edabbs44
08-04-2010, 12:21 AM
bummer, heisey backwards k

Reds Fanatic
08-04-2010, 12:21 AM
Heisey strikes out looking. Reds lose 7-6.

dsmith421
08-04-2010, 12:21 AM
Pathetic call.

reds44
08-04-2010, 12:22 AM
What a horrible call to end the game.

nemesis
08-04-2010, 12:22 AM
Wow. Bad Bad Call.

kaldaniels
08-04-2010, 12:22 AM
It was strike 3 you homers.

edabbs44
08-04-2010, 12:22 AM
aaron miles in to pitch the 9th in st louis

Tom Servo
08-04-2010, 12:22 AM
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/austinjg/fuuuuu.jpg

reds44
08-04-2010, 12:22 AM
It might be a good idea to get Gomes and Bruce out of the 5-6 in the lineup.

dsmith421
08-04-2010, 12:23 AM
Gomes and Bruce are begging for extended pine time. But who replaces them?

nemesis
08-04-2010, 12:23 AM
It was strike 3 you homers.

Hasn't called a pitch that low all night.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2010, 12:23 AM
Rookies sometimes...well, you know. Pretty good pitch, but the shame in all that was Gomes and Bruce who both need to sit down. they hurt this club right now, not that anyone else could do any better. Both have lost 20 points of average and OBP in a month.

kaldaniels
08-04-2010, 12:23 AM
Gomes and Bruce are begging for extended pine time. But who replaces them?

Get CD up.

Heath
08-04-2010, 12:23 AM
If and buts and candy and nuts.

Oh well, go pound some Budweiser and get'em tomorrow

No loss in the standings. Cards still getting waxed.

reds44
08-04-2010, 12:23 AM
Gomes and Bruce are begging for extended pine time. But who replaces them?
There's nobody other than Dickerson.

Should have traded for an OFer at the deadline.

Reds Fanatic
08-04-2010, 12:23 AM
Bruce needs a hitting coach to straighten him out before he plays. His mechanics are awful right now.

CTA513
08-04-2010, 12:23 AM
Stuesy with the K.

Heath
08-04-2010, 12:24 AM
Get CD up.

He's on funeral leave.

Any other thoughts?

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-04-2010, 12:24 AM
It might be a good idea to get Gomes and Bruce out of the 4-5 in the lineup.

Sadly, the time to do something about those two albatroses was prior to July 31. Now we're stuck with them :rolleyes:

nemesis
08-04-2010, 12:24 AM
He's on funeral leave.

Any other thoughts?

Dorn.

kaldaniels
08-04-2010, 12:24 AM
Hasn't called a pitch that low all night.

Steeerike.

More seriously, I did not care for the ump's "with emphasis" 2-part ring up.

Heath
08-04-2010, 12:25 AM
Can't blame Heisey. 2-4 tonight.

VR
08-04-2010, 12:25 AM
Good battle by the Reds tonight.
One play that Rolen usually makes is the difference in the game, otherwise Leake was pretty good. Only a couple hard hit balls.

reds44
08-04-2010, 12:26 AM
Can Francisco play LF?

I'd seriously consider him right now.

Gomes, Bruce, and Stubbs can't hit to save their life.

Degenerate39
08-04-2010, 12:26 AM
At least Aaron Miles isn't pitching for the Reds right now

MikeS21
08-04-2010, 12:26 AM
Complain about Stubbs all you want. He still had an OPS .150 points higher than Bruce during the month of July.

reds44
08-04-2010, 12:27 AM
Complain about Stubbs all you want. He still had an OPS .150 points higher than Bruce during the month of July.
What's your point? He's 1 for his last 34.

Congrats, he sucked less than Bruce did. He still was horrible.

CTA513
08-04-2010, 12:28 AM
Cardinals are down by 14 and they still have Pujols and Holliday playing.

reds44
08-04-2010, 12:28 AM
Right now Bruce is getting beat on the fastball and can't hit a breaking pitch either.

KronoRed
08-04-2010, 12:28 AM
Can Francisco play LF?



Hasn't stopped Gomes from playing out there :D

Heath
08-04-2010, 12:28 AM
What's your point? He's 1 for his last 34.

Congrats, he sucked less than Bruce did. He still was horrible.

And have the Reds lost any games in the standings?

Thank goodness there are 8 other players out there.

kbrake
08-04-2010, 12:28 AM
The OF is a problem without question right now. We can figure it out though. If we were down 18-4 to the Astros at home I'd be laying down in the middle of the interstate right now.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2010, 12:29 AM
Stubbs got on base. Bruce is not and looks to not for a long time. Neither deserves to start on a mLB club.

reds44
08-04-2010, 12:30 AM
Stubbs got on base. Bruce is not and looks to not for a long time. Neither deserves to start on a mLB club.
Drew Stubbs currently has a .298 OBP.

That's not getting on base. Well it is, just not very often.

Gomes OBP is .318.
Bruce is .326.

They're all bad

reds44
08-04-2010, 12:31 AM
Alonso? Just throwing it out there.

kaldaniels
08-04-2010, 12:32 AM
Alonso? Just throwing it out there.

I've been thinking it for the past 10 minutes...couldn't bring myself to type it.

Heath
08-04-2010, 12:32 AM
I just checked the 40 man. Dorn's not on it. But
Phillippe Valiquette is.

reds44
08-04-2010, 12:33 AM
Btw did Thom get word that somebody in Dickerson's family died before he did?

Dickerson went 3-5 with a HR and 2 RBI in Louisivlle in a game that ended like 45 minutes ago.

Cedric
08-04-2010, 12:35 AM
Dickerson can't get here fast enough. He isn't immune to some struggles, but he also isn't likely to bomb like Stubbs/Bruce has.

I'm amazed at what happened to Bruce.

oneupper
08-04-2010, 12:35 AM
This is one of those "could have been" games which are a bit frustrating.

No one expects to come back from 6 down, but it hurts to get so close. REDS left a lot of men on base tonight.

I'm trying not to blame Dusty for everything (making a real effort), but his use of the bench was very "interesting".

WVRedsFan
08-04-2010, 12:36 AM
We all know that Bruce, Gomes and Stubbs will break out of it and when they do, we'll breathe a sigh of relief. Like Tom Petty says, the waiting is the hardest part. But once again, it wasn't any of them that cost us this game. It was bad fortune. a play that Rolen always makes gets by. A hit batter and a shaken rookie pitcher as well as some lucky breaks for the Buccos. It's a shame that we had this happen on a night when the Cards get blasted, but we all also know it's going to be that way until late September, so I'm having a cold one and just going to forget about this game.

We're still in first place and today is all that matters.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2010, 12:43 AM
Dickerson can't get here fast enough. He isn't immune to some struggles, but he also isn't likely to bomb like Stubbs/Bruce has.

I'm amazed at what happened to Bruce.I don't know.

Kid can't stay healthy which is just as bad. After stellar 2008 and 2009 seasons (between DL time off), he had a rough beginning to this season. He's not the savior. I'd play Heisey in right, Stubbs in center and Dickerson in right (or any combination of the three) and see how that goes. Gomes is showing us why he's had trouble staying with teams and Bruce was brought up too soon (or used the wrong way--my opinion). Stubbs just needs some hitting coaching (as does Bruce). Young players do this and patience is hard to come by.

I'm not enamoured with Dickerson other than as a fourth outfielder.

reds44
08-04-2010, 12:45 AM
But really, who cares if he gets hurt? We're not talking about signing him to a contract extension here. Bring him up, play him, and if he gets hurt eventually then so be it. Not playing him cause he might get hurt does you nothing.

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-04-2010, 12:57 AM
We all know that Bruce, Gomes and Stubbs will break out of it and when they do, we'll breathe a sigh of relief. Like Tom Petty says, the waiting is the hardest part. But once again, it wasn't any of them that cost us this game. It was bad fortune. a play that Rolen always makes gets by. A hit batter and a shaken rookie pitcher as well as some lucky breaks for the Buccos. It's a shame that we had this happen on a night when the Cards get blasted, but we all also know it's going to be that way until late September, so I'm having a cold one and just going to forget about this game.

We're still in first place and today is all that matters.

I don't doubt that Gomes and Stubbs will have one of their hot streaks again (in Stubbs' case it may just be a one-game reprieve), but I have serious doubts about Jay Bruce. He rarely, if ever, gets the big hit. Most of his putrid numbers come in blowout games or with nobody on, as his awful RBI count indicates.

Jay Bruce's ceiling may be no higher than Sean Casey's, which, while at times good, is nowhere near what he was billed as.

A tremendous disappointment.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2010, 01:02 AM
But really, who cares if he gets hurt? We're not talking about signing him to a contract extension here. Bring him up, play him, and if he gets hurt eventually then so be it. Not playing him cause he might get hurt does you nothing.

I'm all for winning, 44. If Dickerson sparks this club, I'll be elated. But this board continues to have its favorites. You can go back to Denorfia, Bray (which I never understood), Janish (ignoring his obvious weaknesses and dissing OCab,who has contributed consistantly), and many others. They traded Votto for nearly a year until he showed he is MVP caliber. Ramon Hernandez was fodder and many lusted after David Ross's OBP. Volquez was the savior and then he came back to earth and Chapman, who was going to start by July is now a reliever in Louisville. I just don't know. I think Dickerson will do what he always does. He's not spectacular and will play well, strike out a lot, make hay against bad pitching and end up with a .270 average with few RBI's and get a lot of hits that don't mean anything. Give me Drew Stubbs who can come through, make the tremendous play in the outfield, and has so much upside at a younger age. I expect more from Stubbs than Dickerson. But that's just me.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2010, 01:09 AM
I don't doubt that Gomes and Stubbs will have one of their hot streaks again (in Stubbs' case it may just be a one-game reprieve), but I have serious doubts about Jay Bruce. He rarely, if ever, gets the big hit. Most of his putrid numbers come in blowout games or with nobody on, as his awful RBI count indicates.

Jay Bruce's ceiling may be no higher than Sean Casey's, which, while at times good, is nowhere near what he was billed as.

A tremendous disappointment.

At the risk of being blasted again, I totally agree with you. and I'd like nothing more than to be wrong. I don't see the potential. He fields well, but I'm a big believer in body language. Jay Bruce is a nervous wreck. Watch how he bites his cheek when he bats. Watch him at the plate. He has no confidence. I would think the "brain trust" would notice these things. My opinion is at his young age, the Reds threw him into the starting lineup when he was emotionally unable to do it. So much pressure was put on him to be Ken Griffey, Jr., that he has lost all confidence.

He cannot be counted upon to be a RBI man, which is what we were told he would do. Yes, he's young, but the Reds are destroying him by putting him in a position to fail. Play him, but give him a break against leftys. Don't put so much pressure on him by platooning him at times. Give the kid a break. That's all I ask. And send him back to Louisville to get his confidence back. It's not a sin. and it might help.

nemesis
08-04-2010, 01:12 AM
This is one of those "could have been" games which are a bit frustrating.

No one expects to come back from 6 down, but it hurts to get so close. REDS left a lot of men on base tonight.

I'm trying not to blame Dusty for everything (making a real effort), but his use of the bench was very "interesting".

I'm not saying it cost the Reds the game, but, it might have. No way do you waste the best player in the NL to a IBB and sacrifice defense in that situation. Let Janish bat. if he gets out, you have Votto and Rolen to lead off the inning. Cairo has come through time and time again for this club, that in itself stacked the odds against him.

reds44
08-04-2010, 01:12 AM
I'm all for winning, 44. If Dickerson sparks this club, I'll be elated. But this board continues to have its favorites. You can go back to Denorfia, Bray (which I never understood), Janish (ignoring his obvious weaknesses and dissing OCab,who has contributed consistantly), and many others. They traded Votto for nearly a year until he showed he is MVP caliber. Ramon Hernandez was fodder and many lusted after David Ross's OBP. Volquez was the savior and then he came back to earth and Chapman, who was going to start by July is now a reliever in Louisville. I just don't know. I think Dickerson will do what he always does. He's not spectacular and will play well, strike out a lot, make hay against bad pitching and end up with a .270 average with few RBI's and get a lot of hits that don't mean anything. Give me Drew Stubbs who can come through, make the tremendous play in the outfield, and has so much upside at a younger age. I expect more from Stubbs than Dickerson. But that's just me.
If Dickerson hits .270, he'll have an OBP around .370 which will be an upgrade over anything we have in the OF right now with the exception of Heisey.

I really don't care about redszone favorites or upside right now. There's 2 months left in the season and we're in first place, give me the best players to win tomorrow.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2010, 01:13 AM
If Dickerson hits .270, he'll have an OBP around .370 which will be an upgrade over anything we have in the OF right now with the exception of Heisey.

I really don't care about redszone favorites or upside right now. There's 2 months left in the season and we're in first place, give me the best players to win tomorrow.

I totally agree.

reds44
08-04-2010, 01:13 AM
I'm not saying it cost the Reds the game, but, it might have. No way do you waste the best player in the NL to a IBB and sacrifice defense in that situation. Let Janish bat. if he gets out, you have Votto and Rolen to lead off the inning. Cairo has come through time and time again for this club, that in itself stacked the odds against him.
There's no doubt that using Votto when he did was a bad move. It just was, there's not a lot to discuss.

nemesis
08-04-2010, 01:14 AM
If Dickerson hits .270, he'll have an OBP around .370 which will be an upgrade over anything we have in the OF right now with the exception of Heisey.

I really don't care about redszone favorites or upside right now. There's 2 months left in the season and we're in first place, give me the best players to win tomorrow.

I've fought against this theory for the longest time but now I am inclined to agree with you. One thing is clear, no way do you pick up Gomes option. Heisey has to be the starting LF going into 2011.

reds44
08-04-2010, 01:19 AM
I've fought against this theory for the longest time but now I am inclined to agree with you. One thing is clear, no way do you pick up Gomes option. Heisey has to be the starting LF going into 2011.
If you've paid attention to my posts since I joined redszone (and if you haven't I can't blame you), I'm ALWAYS pro young players and ALWAYS giving them the benefit of the doubt. Normally I'd just say leave Stubbs and Bruce in there and saying that Stubbs is a rookie and Bruce is 23.

But there's a time and a place for that, and this is not it. There's 2 months left to get into the playoffs, and then anything happen. Put the best players on the field everyday and lets go play ball. If that means you have an OF of Heisey/Dickerson/Bruce vsRHP and Gomes/Stubbs/Heisey vs LHP I'm all for it. You just have to go at this point.

At this point the Reds best hope is Heisey keeps playing well, Dickerson can hit .270/.370 and either Bruce or Gomes (or even Stubbs) gets hot. If that happens, we'll be in good shape. However we can't make the playoffs with Bruce/Gomes hitting where they are in the lineup and being terrible.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2010, 01:38 AM
If you've paid attention to my posts since I joined redszone (and if you haven't I can't blame you), I'm ALWAYS pro young players and ALWAYS giving them the benefit of the doubt. Normally I'd just say leave Stubbs and Bruce in there and saying that Stubbs is a rookie and Bruce is 23.

But there's a time and a place for that, and this is not it. There's 2 months left to get into the playoffs, and then anything happen. Put the best players on the field everyday and lets go play ball. If that means you have an OF of Heisey/Dickerson/Bruce vsRHP and Gomes/Stubbs/Heisey vs LHP I'm all for it. You just have to go at this point.

At this point the Reds best hope is Heisey keeps playing well, Dickerson can hit .270/.370 and either Bruce or Gomes (or even Stubbs) gets hot. If that happens, we'll be in good shape. However we can't make the playoffs with Bruce/Gomes hitting where they are in the lineup and being terrible.

Great post, 44. That's about where I am, but I reserve the right to let Jay go back south to regain his confidence.

Ron Madden
08-04-2010, 05:00 AM
I listend to the game at work tonight, for that reason there is no way in hell I'm going to go back and read this game thread. Hearing the opinion of Marty once and the same opinion repeated by Jeff there is absolutely no reason to read THAT opinion a third time. ;)

_Sir_Charles_
08-04-2010, 11:23 AM
You guys can complain about Stubbs & Bruce & Gomes & Janish to your hearts content. But I'll say this. This team is flat out FUN to watch. They simply don't give up. I thought they were toast for sure when they got down 7-1. Scrappy.

If not for 2 plays, this game was ours. Missed grounder by Rolen, HBP of McCutchen that shook up Leake. Tough break, but impressive attempted comeback in the loss.

Hoosier Red
08-04-2010, 02:49 PM
There's no doubt that using Votto when he did was a bad move. It just was, there's not a lot to discuss.

I just don't understand this. Do you have a better chance at scoring a run with a) two on and a .300 hitter up or b)1 on and Paul Janish up or 0 on and Joey Votto up.

That's the two choices he was faced with. Would you really rather have Joey Votto batting with the bases empty than Miguel Cairo with two guys on?

nemesis
08-04-2010, 05:32 PM
Would you really rather have Joey Votto batting with the bases empty than Miguel Cairo with two guys on?

Yes.

kaldaniels
08-05-2010, 11:16 PM
The Reds have submitted the Rolen play to MLB for review. If it is an error, all 6 runs that inning will be unearned. Interesting.

kaldaniels
08-09-2010, 07:12 PM
The Reds have submitted the Rolen play to MLB for review. If it is an error, all 6 runs that inning will be unearned. Interesting.

And MLB sided with the Reds, all 6 runs now unearned.