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Votto4MVP
08-04-2010, 04:00 PM
Ive been on this site but lost my user name. Read a lot but never post. Thought I would share some of my ideas of what to do for August/September.

Here are a few things Id look into doing for the rest of the season, let me know what you all think.


1. Bring up Chapman, send down Bray. Bray has been up and down since hes been back in cincy this year, but he is too inconsistent at this point. Chapman has been dominanting his last 10 or so appearances in AAA. Id say bring him up now to see how he can do in August. If he pitches well up here you start to put him in more pressure situations in September if he can handle it. If he doesnt pitch that well when hes brought up, at least you know not to rely on him too much in September. I think its better he gets some opportunities now then just throwing him in there in september.

I also think Chapman could give us a big advantage for the STL series next week, as the cards have obviously not seen chapman yet. If Bray pitches well in AAA bring him back up in September.


2. Russ Springer was taken out of todays game due to back spasms. If he has to go to the DL, Id give Burton a shot. He has been great his last 10 plus games in Lou, besides one game where he gave up a couple runs. Lights out besides that. When Springer gets healthy bring him back up for September call ups.

3. Leake/Bailey. Id give Leake one more start in Cincy and Bailey another start at AAA. If bailey pitches well and leake doesnt, Id strongly consider putting Leake on the DL due to fatigue (if you are allowed) and Let Bailey make a couple starts for him. It would allow leake to keep his innings down. If after a couple starts bailey doesnt perform well, you could take leake off the dl and put him back in the rotation. If Bailey does do well, you could shut down leake or figure out another option for him. Now, if Leake pitches great next week vs St Louis Id keep him up here and figure out something else to do with Bailey.

4. Bring up Chris Dickerson for Laynce Nix. Nix just doesnt get enough PT nor is he good enough in his at bats to warrant keeping him on the roster instead of Dickerson. Dickerson is better in the field and at the plate. Let him take some starts for Gomes and Stubbs. Also if healthy and hitting well he would be a solid lead off option.We need some infusion in the outfield.

5. Keep getting Heisey at bats. He has been our most productive outfielder the last month or so, keep getting him opportunites.

We would have 5 outfielders that could all get starts (Gomes, Bruce, Stubbs, Dickerson, and Heisey). Play the hot bats, play the matchups, do whatever in order to get some more production out of the outfield.


Any thoughts and other suggestions are appreciated. Let me know what you all think.

RedsFanInBama
08-04-2010, 04:06 PM
Nix isn't a great player by any stretch, but he's hot right now. I think you've got to ride that hot streak as long as you can. We've got two months left. If he stays hot for three more weeks, that's a big help. Especially considering where our outfield has been offensively lately.

I don't really disagree on any of your other points.

brm7675
08-04-2010, 04:09 PM
1. Bring up Chapman, send down Bray. Bray has been up and down since hes been back in cincy this year, but he is too inconsistent at this point. Chapman has been dominanting his last 10 or so appearances in AAA.

3. Leake/Bailey. Id give Leake one more start in Cincy and Bailey another start at AAA. If bailey pitches well and leake doesnt, Id strongly consider putting Leake on the DL due to fatigue (if you are allowed) and Let Bailey make a couple starts for him. It would allow leake to keep his innings down.
Any thoughts and other suggestions are appreciated. Let me know what you all think.

Why is everyone wanting to Rush Chapman?

Leake had a good outing last night, if Rolen makes that play at 3rd it's a whole differnt ball game. plus I have not seen anything from Bailey that leads me to believe he would be better then say Malloney or Lacure at this point.

bgwilly31
08-04-2010, 04:12 PM
Disagree on most points.

leake is fine.

Nix needs to stay. A guy gets hot and your talking about sending him down. That makes zero sense.

Chapman shouldnt even be thought about until the roster gets extended. Bill bray has some of the nastiest stuff our BP currently is equipped with. And he's a lefty.

Votto4MVP
08-04-2010, 04:13 PM
Why is everyone wanting to Rush Chapman?

Leake had a good outing last night, if Rolen makes that play at 3rd it's a whole differnt ball game. plus I have not seen anything from Bailey that leads me to believe he would be better then say Malloney or Lacure at this point.

If Chapman isnt on the roster by Aug 31st he cant play in the playoffs. Im not saying for sure he would pitch in the playoffs, but if he comes up and shows he can I would love to have him available. If he doesnt come up till September pitches lights out and we cant use him in the playoffs cause we didnt bring him up in time it will suck. Id rather bring him up now give him some opportunities in August, and the more he shows the more we can use him in big situations. Hes been lights out in AAA the last 10 games, and I think hes a better option then Bray.

I think Leake did pitch well, but if he isnt going to be able to pitch in September/October then it doesnt do us a lot of good. We could get him some rest and see what we have out of Bailey. Bailey pitched 6 2/3rds shut out in his last rehab start and looked good before his injury. Maloney gave up 7 runs today in AAA, Bailey is definitely better.

Votto4MVP
08-04-2010, 04:14 PM
Disagree on most points.

leake is fine.

Nix needs to stay. A guy gets hot and your talking about sending him down. That makes zero sense.

Chapman shouldnt even be thought about until the roster gets extended. Bill bray has some of the nastiest stuff our BP currently is equipped with. And he's a lefty.


Of course you disagree, youve never agreed with anything ive ever said, and more often then not you were wrong.

See:Go-Bengals.com. PS so glad you left.

knoonan991
08-04-2010, 04:20 PM
Disagree on most points.

Bray shouldnt even be thought about until the roster gets extended. Aroldis Chapman has some of the nastiest stuff our BP will soon be equipped with. And he's a lefty.

Fixed it for you

RedsFanInBama
08-04-2010, 04:40 PM
Chapman shouldnt even be thought about until the roster gets extended. Bill bray has some of the nastiest stuff our BP currently is equipped with. And he's a lefty.
Chapman is also a lefty and his stuff is nastier than Bray's.

brm7675
08-04-2010, 04:43 PM
If Chapman isnt on the roster by Aug 31st he cant play in the playoffs. Im not saying for sure he would pitch in the playoffs, but if he comes up and shows he can I would love to have him available. If he doesnt come up till September pitches lights out and we cant use him in the playoffs cause we didnt bring him up in time it will suck. Id rather bring him up now give him some opportunities in August, and the more he shows the more we can use him in big situations. Hes been lights out in AAA the last 10 games, and I think hes a better option then Bray.

I think Leake did pitch well, but if he isnt going to be able to pitch in September/October then it doesnt do us a lot of good. We could get him some rest and see what we have out of Bailey. Bailey pitched 6 2/3rds shut out in his last rehab start and looked good before his injury. Maloney gave up 7 runs today in AAA, Bailey is definitely better.

I want no part of Chapman on any playoff roster this season. in the playoffs there is just way to much presure to put onto that kid.

Why can't leake pitch in Sept and Oct if the Reds use him correctly? you do know there is a HUGE and I mean HUGE difference between AAA and major leaues. Bailey looked good before his injury? outside of the pittsburgh game what game are you speaking of?

brm7675
08-04-2010, 04:43 PM
Chapman is also a lefty and his stuff is nastier than Bray's.


According to whom?

RedsFanInBama
08-04-2010, 04:45 PM
According to whom?

LOL. Which point are you arguing? That he's a lefty or that he has better stuff than Bray? I'm really not sure with you.

brm7675
08-04-2010, 04:46 PM
Originally Posted by bgwilly31
Disagree on most points.

Bray should be on the roster and maybe look at Aroldis Chapman once the rosters gets extended. Aroldis Chapman has some growing and learning to get done in AAA before we see if his stuff is nasty enough for the ML.

Fixed it for you

brm7675
08-04-2010, 04:47 PM
LOL. Which point are you arguing? That he's a lefty or that he has better stuff than Bray? I'm really not sure with you.

yes he is a lefty that can throw 100+ mph, but he is still not a pitcher, let him continue to grow and learn on the AAA level, learning is not to occur on the major league level.

markymark69
08-04-2010, 04:49 PM
You present some sound scenarios. My only real issue is Nix. Not that I have a problem with Dickerson, but Nix has not done anything to deserve to be chopped off the team. Sometimes those things have to happen though. It's logical in the sense that he probably doesn't have a future with this team, unless one of the younger guys (Dickerson, Heisey for example) were to be traded.

It's a great problem to have and I'm glad that I'm not the one who has to make that decision.

It will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

RedsFanInBama
08-04-2010, 04:55 PM
yes he is a lefty that can throw 100+ mph, but he is still not a pitcher, let him continue to grow and learn on the AAA level, learning is not to occur on the major league level.

I didn't say he didn't have stuff to learn. I said he's a lefty and his stuff is nastier than Bray's. Plus let's not pretend that Bray has been lights out since he came back. Furthermore, Chapman has been really, really impressive lately and seems to be "getting it."

bgwilly31
08-04-2010, 05:13 PM
Of course you disagree, youve never agreed with anything ive ever said, and more often then not you were wrong.

See:Go-Bengals.com. PS so glad you left.


ill agree with your new SN. :D

Wrong...im never wrong.


go-bengals.

The owner of the site is shady and i wouldnt recommend that site to anybody.

He took 4 months after the football season was over to pay out on his FFL. He said he had bills to pay so he spent the pot on those. And that we could wait until he gets it.

Then his site was flooded with pop-ups and ads that people were reporting they were getting virus' from and he didnt care.

But were not suppose to post about this kind of stuff so i better stop.

Go reds. :p:

brm7675
08-04-2010, 05:37 PM
I didn't say he didn't have stuff to learn. I said he's a lefty and his stuff is nastier than Bray's. Plus let's not pretend that Bray has been lights out since he came back. Furthermore, Chapman has been really, really impressive lately and seems to be "getting it."

right now on a consistancy basis I will take Bray over Chapman in a heartbeat. Now come next year when Chapman has had a season and offseason of good quality coaching (something I doubt he got in Cuba) then you might be right.

brm7675
08-04-2010, 05:38 PM
ill agree with your new SN. :D

go-bengals.

:p:

I think i may be sick...:rolleyes:

RedsFanInBama
08-04-2010, 05:48 PM
right now on a consistancy basis I will take Bray over Chapman in a heartbeat. Now come next year when Chapman has had a season and offseason of good quality coaching (something I doubt he got in Cuba) then you might be right.
There's been nothing consistent about Bray's performance so far. I'd at least give Chapman a shot.

lidspinner
08-04-2010, 05:56 PM
whoever does not want Chapman in the playoffs is silly...he may suck, we dont know...but we need to bring him up for a short stint with the big boys now...see what he has. Tampa did this a few years ago with Price and it paid off HUGE....teams were not used to him, that gave him the edge....with Chapman, sometimes when teams have no card on you, just throw that heater and guys will swing away....

He might walk a hundred, who knows...but you dont let that talent sit in the minors when the big league club is headed for the playoffs. You see what you got before you leave him behind. I cant believe we are even debating this.....

brm7675
08-04-2010, 06:02 PM
whoever does not want Chapman in the playoffs is silly...he may suck, we dont know...but we need to bring him up for a short stint with the big boys now...see what he has. Tampa did this a few years ago with Price and it paid off HUGE....teams were not used to him, that gave him the edge....with Chapman, sometimes when teams have no card on you, just throw that heater and guys will swing away....

He might walk a hundred, who knows...but you dont let that talent sit in the minors when the big league club is headed for the playoffs. You see what you got before you leave him behind. I cant believe we are even debating this.....

First you can't compare Chapman to Price, to different pitchers totally. Second if we had a 8-9 or 10 game lead then sure see what Chapman can do, but with a .5 game lead, leave him in louisivlle and let him learn.

lidspinner
08-04-2010, 06:07 PM
First you can't compare Chapman to Price, to different pitchers totally. Second if we had a 8-9 or 10 game lead then sure see what Chapman can do, but with a .5 game lead, leave him in louisivlle and let him learn.


why cant I compare him to Price? you are saying you dont want a young pitcher in a high pressure situation...it dont matter if the pitcher is Chapman or Cy Young, the pressure is still the same.....if Russ is hurt, then let Chap take his spot till Springer is healed....even if its a few weeks, we have to see what we have in him.....we have to see if he can pitch up here...

bgwilly31
08-04-2010, 06:15 PM
Unless chapman gets up here and walks everybody. Chapman will be dominant his first few appearances.

lidspinner
08-04-2010, 06:19 PM
Unless chapman gets up here and walks everybody. Chapman will be dominant his first few appearances.

100mph does crazy things to a hitter.....look how out hitters looked when we faced Brandon League from Seattle....we were swinging at balls in the dirt, over our head and a foot outside....people can not explain it, but when the ball is traveling 100mph, the hitter becomes a different hitter, usually a scared hitter. Randy Johnson was crazy effective because every batter thought he was going to plunk them in the head...he was walking like 8 batters per 9 innings but still dominating......I think Chapman will be fine.....but lets get him up here for crying out loud.

brm7675
08-04-2010, 06:21 PM
why cant I compare him to Price? you are saying you dont want a young pitcher in a high pressure situation...it dont matter if the pitcher is Chapman or Cy Young, the pressure is still the same.....if Russ is hurt, then let Chap take his spot till Springer is healed....even if its a few weeks, we have to see what we have in him.....we have to see if he can pitch up here...

Price came up through the college ranks with quality coaches and games, and then through the Rays farm system. Chapman has a very questionable back ground at best and little to know professional background. Again you can't compare the two, because the two had two totally different trecks in their baseball development. Just because you can throw 100+ mph doesn't mean you can pitch. You experiement on the minor league level, not the major league level.

Votto4MVP
08-04-2010, 06:22 PM
Unless chapman gets up here and walks everybody. Chapman will be dominant his first few appearances.


Wait, I thought you disagreed with all my points?

brm7675
08-04-2010, 06:22 PM
Unless chapman gets up here and walks everybody. Chapman will be dominant his first few appearances.

A) There is a very good chance his walk rate will be high
B) What makes you think he will be dominant, just because he can throw 100+ mph?

brm7675
08-04-2010, 06:23 PM
100mph does crazy things to a hitter.....look how out hitters looked when we faced Brandon League from Seattle....we were swinging at balls in the dirt, over our head and a foot outside....people can not explain it, but when the ball is traveling 100mph, the hitter becomes a different hitter, usually a scared hitter. Randy Johnson was crazy effective because every batter thought he was going to plunk them in the head...he was walking like 8 batters per 9 innings but still dominating......I think Chapman will be fine.....but lets get him up here for crying out loud.

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flash
08-04-2010, 06:23 PM
I am still trying to figure out why the Reds signed Springer and Isringhausen in the first place. Springer never was that great and he already has physical issues. He is 42. Isringhausen is 38. But thebullpen needs their maturity. Says who Rhodes is 41. the reds don't need those two down the stretch. I really don't see the difference between relying on a injury prone old pitcher and a rookie who might be a little wild.

I really would not mind having someone who can throw 100 MPH in the bullpen when the playoffs start. Even if he is a little wild. In fact especially if he is wild inside.

Herrera lost today. The Reds may need to remove him from the 40 man roster.

The Reds really do need a third catcher in September. Why push Hannigan and Hernandez so hardwhen you might be going to the playoffs. Put Miller on the 40 man roster.

Dickerson needs to be brought up. I am tired of wondering when Stubbs and Bruce will grow up and hit.

lidspinner
08-05-2010, 02:33 AM
Price came up through the college ranks with quality coaches and games, and then through the Rays farm system. Chapman has a very questionable back ground at best and little to know professional background. Again you can't compare the two, because the two had two totally different trecks in their baseball development. Just because you can throw 100+ mph doesn't mean you can pitch. You experiement on the minor league level, not the major league level.


whats that got to do with pressure? I thought you didnt want Chapman in a high pressure situation....Dont matter if your Greg Maddux, Roger Clemens, Chris Carpenter or Chapman, the pressure is still pressure...everyone deals with pressure differently....Chapman has been experimenting in the minors all year...

I am not saying he is the heir apparent to coco, or anyone else in our pen...what I am saying is you do not keep that kind of talent in the minors when you are pushing for the playoffs...you get talent up here if there is a spot, and see what that talent can do....if it works out then its just like trading for pen help....if it dont work out then you only lost those innings that he pitches in.....and given our remaining schedule I would think we should be able to find more than enough high and low pressure situations to allow Chapman to get a feel and let us get a look-see.

If he can come up here and throw strikes, he might be that icing on the cake. He might just be that guy that comes in to get that lefty out in the 6th inning with 2 on and 2 out. he might be that guy to give Arthur a much needed vacation.....

you just dont keep good talent down there on the farm all year....he might suck, but we need to find that out one way or the other.

scott91575
08-05-2010, 02:48 AM
While I was not a Chapman supporter for being promoted in the past, he has been pretty good recently. While in the bullpen his WHIP is just over 1, and in his last 10 appearances he only has 4 BB's in 11 1/3 innings with a WHIP under 1 (only 2 walks in the last 10 1/3 innings). WHIP should be the judge, and that has been outstanding since he has hit the bullpen.

He could be much better than Bray. I like Bray, but Chapman has much better stuff and his control has been good recently. I would have no issue with Chapman replacing Bray.