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reds44
08-06-2010, 03:33 PM
Reds down to 39 on the 40 man, have to figure Dickerson is coming soon.

guttle11
08-06-2010, 03:35 PM
Good for him, should get a chance to earn a big league job now. Just wasn't going to happen here.

Tom Servo
08-06-2010, 03:37 PM
I liked Sutton and wish him the best.

VR
08-06-2010, 03:48 PM
Does he go in the Red's record books as highest single season OPS/Slugging/Avg?

sabometrics
08-06-2010, 03:53 PM
Well someone had to go. I'm sort of surprised it wasn't Micah Owings though.

bucksfan2
08-06-2010, 03:56 PM
I am surprised that the Astro's got more out of Keppinger than the Reds got out of Sutton.

RedLegSuperStar
08-06-2010, 04:03 PM
Dickerson you have to figure will be added.. If Guillen isn't

mdccclxix
08-06-2010, 04:08 PM
I am surprised that the Astro's got more out of Keppinger than the Reds got out of Sutton.

Kep has stayed healthy, which was a concern as well.

Does this mean we get nothing in return for Sutton?

CTA513
08-06-2010, 04:09 PM
The Indians should give the Reds that crappy outfielder named Choo for him.


:fineprint

mdccclxix
08-06-2010, 04:10 PM
Remember, it was Sutton's glove that sent him, not Cairo, to AAA this year. I don't feel so bad when I realize that.

OnBaseMachine
08-06-2010, 04:14 PM
I liked Sutton and wish him the best.

Agreed. He seems like a great dude. I think he'll eventually settle in a solid big league bench player. I was in attendance last year when he hit his first major league home run. Then of course he hit a grand slam this season. I was hoping he would clear waivers but no such luck.

Orenda
08-06-2010, 04:14 PM
i hadn't realized he was released. Good luck to him; switch hitting infielders who don't make lots of outs are always nice to have on the bench.

Tornon
08-06-2010, 04:15 PM
Does he go in the Red's record books as highest single season OPS/Slugging/Avg?

I'm sure someone's hit 1.000 before

GOYA
08-06-2010, 04:15 PM
No big loss. He showed signs earlier this year of being of value but he kinda dropped off a cliff after that.

Good luck to Drew.

camisadelgolf
08-06-2010, 04:30 PM
I am surprised that the Astro's got more out of Keppinger than the Reds got out of Sutton.
It was simply a salary dump. The Reds didn't want to pay his post-arbitration salary, and Drew Sutton was capable of providing similar production at the league minimum.

Redsfan320
08-06-2010, 04:33 PM
Good luck to Sutton. Seemed like a good guy with some talent.

320

VR
08-06-2010, 04:47 PM
I'm sure someone's hit 1.000 before

woy must be doing real work today.

camisadelgolf
08-06-2010, 05:14 PM
Does he go in the Red's record books as highest single season OPS/Slugging/Avg?
I only looked into the past 90 years, but here's what I got:
1.000/1.000/2.000/3.000 Hal Jeffcoat 1959
1.000/1.000/2.000/3.000 Red Lutz 1922
.500/.667/2.000/2.667 Danny Graves 2000
.500/.500/2.000/2.500 Syl Johnson 1934
.667/.667/1.667/2.333 Drew Sutton 2010

camisadelgolf
08-06-2010, 05:14 PM
I'm sure someone's hit 1.000 before
Since the modern era:
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 Mark Hutton 1998
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 Richie Lewis 1997
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 Eric Owens 1995 (two official at-bats)
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 Rob Dibble 1993
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 Paul Noce 1990
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 Mike Griffin 1989 (the pitcher, not the position player)
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 Doug Capilla 1979
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 Mike McQueen 1974
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 Bo Belinsky 1970
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 Dom Zanni 1966
1.000/1.000/2.000/3.000 Hal Jeffcoat 1959
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 Bill Harris 1924
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 George Abrams 1923
1.000/1.000/2.000/3.000 Red Lutz 1922
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 Jesse Haines 1918
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 Bob Ingersoll 1914
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 Chuck Tompkins 1912
1.000/1.000/1.000/2.000 Joseph Burns 1910

LvJ
08-06-2010, 05:17 PM
Best of luck to Drew. I'm a fan and hope he does well up north.

fearofpopvol1
08-06-2010, 08:24 PM
So we gave Keppinger away to the Astros for free.

Big Klu
08-06-2010, 08:44 PM
So we gave Keppinger away to the Astros for free.

Yes. That is not an uncommon occurance with utility infielders.

traderumor
08-06-2010, 08:49 PM
So we gave Keppinger away to the Astros for free.How do you figure? Wouldn't that be true of any deal when the player received is no longer with the Reds? They got Sutton, had him for two summers, he contributed when he got his cups of coffee. I don't know that it has zero value.

Big Klu
08-06-2010, 09:15 PM
How do you figure? Wouldn't that be true of any deal when the player received is no longer with the Reds? They got Sutton, had him for two summers, he contributed when he got his cups of coffee. I don't know that it has zero value.

Another thing to remember was that the Reds had to decide who was going to be the backup utility infielder coming out of Spring Training. Paul Janish's glove won him a spot on the bench, so it came down to a choice between Jeff Keppinger and Jerry Hairston Jr. for the other spot. The Reds decided on Hairston, and then moved Keppinger--as much as a favor to him as anything else. I was surprised the Reds got a player as good as Sutton in return, as the Astros knew that the Reds had no room for Kepp, and were going to have to let him go no matter what.

The Voice of IH
08-06-2010, 09:15 PM
heard that Chapman is now on the 40 man roster...

OnBaseMachine
08-06-2010, 09:29 PM
heard that Chapman is now on the 40 man roster...

He's been on the 40-man roster since the day he signed.

The Voice of IH
08-06-2010, 09:33 PM
He's been on the 40-man roster since the day he signed.

that did cross my mind....but I decided to listen to the source anyway :p:

Tom Servo
08-06-2010, 09:42 PM
I don't regret the Keppinger trade for a minute. And I liked Kepp during his time here.

camisadelgolf
08-06-2010, 09:42 PM
So we gave Keppinger away to the Astros for free.
Another way to put it: we didn't have to pay Keppinger millions of dollars to sit on the bench for the next few years.

kaldaniels
08-06-2010, 11:14 PM
So we gave Keppinger away to the Astros for free.

I lack the vocabulary to come up with a word that describes this sort of remark.

Ron Madden
08-07-2010, 02:39 AM
I lack the vocabulary to come up with a word that describes this sort of remark.

How about "No we didn't". ;)

LoganBuck
08-07-2010, 07:03 AM
I had a friend send me a disappointed text message, along the same lines about giving Keppinger away for free.

I wrote him back about how that he still complains about Adam Dunn, and Adam Dunn was an elite bat. Keppinger had a knack for making a couple key at bats a month, playing barely adequate defense, and getting his uniform dirty.

BCubb2003
08-07-2010, 07:29 AM
You can make a case that if you trade a player to another team, and the other team still has that player and his contributions, while you no longer have yours, losing him to waivers, then yes, you gave him away for free, not counting his small contributions while you had him. That said, would you rather have these Reds or the Keppinger Reds? Not that it was his fault, it's just that this season is such a joy so far that the lack of Keppinger hardly seems like an issue.

mth123
08-07-2010, 09:09 AM
Keppinger was a useful role player who was mis-cast in his major playing time at SS. As an occassioal back-up at 2B, SS and 3B he wasn't bad. He isn't a guy who I would have liked to have seen in there for long stretches because the cumulative effect of his limited range is harmful to a pitching staff, but as a bench player he's a fine guy to have. He really had no role on a team with a healthy Alex Gonzalez and Jerry Hairston so the Reds shipped him off for a guy who might have provided something that the team was missing who could still be stashed in AAA. Specifically, Sutton was cheaper, was a switch-hitter (ability to hit lefty off the bench is a nice thing to have on a team with RH Hitting starters at the same positions) and had similar defensive short-comings. Aquiring him for Keppinger bought the team some time before facing this decision. Had the deal not been made, then Keppinger would have simply been lost on waivers last spring.

I'm guessing Sutton will have a career very similar to Keppinger's and wish the Reds could have found a way to keep him around or get something for him in a deal similar to the one the Reds made with Kepp or as a throw in for something more. The numbers problem was begging for many for one deal even if it only provided a slight upgrade or brought back younger guys who didn't need to be protected on the 40 man roster, but nothing developped. Sutton is probably not the last guy who will be lost to waivers before 2010 is over. Danny Rae Herrera and Micah Owings may be casualties of the numbers problem as well when Izzy is activated or Corky Miller is needed. Should the Reds deem that its necessary to add guys like FRazier, Cozart, Wlad and Dorn before the year is through, more will have to go.

All that said, Miguel Cairo should be an eye opener. Guys of the Keppinger/Sutton ilk are fairly plentiful and can be had for cheap so there really isn't a lot that has been lost and losing bottom of the roster major league types because the team has better options is a lot better than trying to fill the roster or starting positions with them as we've seen in seasons past.

WebScorpion
08-07-2010, 12:32 PM
This is what happens when your organization is at the top of the food chain as far as talent goes. You lose a lot of role player type bench guys. I hope we lose many more players like Sutton. Nothing against the guy, but I hope the worst player on our roster continues to be better than Drew Sutton. :thumbup:

Big Klu
08-07-2010, 01:17 PM
A buddy of mine called me yesterday afternoon saying that the Reds had just announced that Drew Stubbs had been taken off the 40-man roster and claimed by the Indians. (This was before I heard the announcement.) I told him that I hadn't heard anything about it, and if it were true, then there had to more to the story. He insisted that the Reds had given up on him, and Stubbs was gone. He was quite embarrassed when I called him later to inform him that it was Drew Sutton, and not Drew Stubbs, who had been claimed by the Tribe.

membengal
08-07-2010, 03:16 PM
So...are we cancelling our order of Dickerson to replace Stubbs, then?

ochre
08-07-2010, 07:47 PM
I lack the vocabulary to come up with a word that describes this sort of remark.
The Reds once traded OF Mike Cameron, SP Brett Tomko, IF Antonio Perez, and P Jake Meyer for Nick Masset and Danny Richar.
:)

IslandRed
08-07-2010, 07:59 PM
All that said, Miguel Cairo should be an eye opener. Guys of the Keppinger/Sutton ilk are fairly plentiful and can be had for cheap so there really isn't a lot that has been lost and losing bottom of the roster major league types because the team has better options is a lot better than trying to fill the roster or starting positions with them as we've seen in seasons past.

Yep. It's cool for Keppinger's sake that he plays for a team that's allowing him to be a regular, but on a better team, like, say, ours, he's going to be on the bench filling a role like, say, Miguel Cairo's. These guys get shuffled around and it's usually no big deal.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-07-2010, 08:03 PM
This is what happens when your organization is at the top of the food chain as far as talent goes. You lose a lot of role player type bench guys.

Good point.

And good luck to Drew. I wish him well in Cleveland. I think he'll help the Indians out.

Big Klu
08-07-2010, 08:04 PM
The Reds once traded OF Mike Cameron, SP Brett Tomko, IF Antonio Perez, and P Jake Meyer for Nick Masset and Danny Richar.
:)

Or, you could say that the Reds traded 1B Paul Konerko, SP Brett Tomko, IF Antonio Perez, and P Jake Meyer for Nick Masset and Danny Richar. :cool:

Or, you could say that the Reds traded RP Jeff Shaw, SP Brett Tomko, IF Antonio Perez, and P Jake Meyer for Nick Masset and Danny Richar. :p:

fearofpopvol1
08-07-2010, 11:57 PM
Keppinger's salary this year is a whopping $1.15 million.

I think it's unfortunate for the Reds. Keppinger is on pace to be 2.5 WAR. And that's even with his less than stellar defense. He's provided surplus value all season long and has played every day. In other words, Keppinger has been worth $7M this year, despite only being paid $1.15M.

I don't think giving away 2.5 WAR players is a business the Reds should be in, but to each his own.

kaldaniels
08-08-2010, 12:26 AM
Keppinger's salary this year is a whopping $1.15 million.

I think it's unfortunate for the Reds. Keppinger is on pace to be 2.5 WAR. And that's even with his less than stellar defense. He's provided surplus value all season long and has played every day. In other words, Keppinger has been worth $7M this year, despite only being paid $1.15M.

I don't think giving away 2.5 WAR players is a business the Reds should be in, but to each his own.

But when they "gave him away" (what an absolutely ridiculous assertion) he was a -0.6 player and the following year he was a 0.5 WAR player. I'm not calling Keppinger any names mind you, but how long do you propose we hold onto our scraps in hope that someday they may become a 2.5 WAR player?

fearofpopvol1
08-08-2010, 12:30 AM
But when they "gave him away" (what an absolutely ridiculous assertion) he was a -0.6 player and the following year he was a 0.5 WAR player. I'm not calling Keppinger any names mind you, but how long do you propose we hold onto our scraps in hope that someday they may become a 2.5 WAR player?

In 2008, he was injured and was just not the same after the injury. He completely lost it and that was the year he had the most PA. 2010 is the first year in a quite a while where he's been healthy while playing full time.

kaldaniels
08-08-2010, 12:32 AM
In 2008, he was injured and was just not the same after the injury. He completely lost it and that was the year he had the most PA. 2010 is the first year in a quite a while where he's been healthy while playing full time.

So you just look the other way and give him a pass on 2009 because of an injury in May 2008?

fearofpopvol1
08-08-2010, 12:40 AM
So you just look the other way and give him a pass on 2009 because of an injury in May 2008?

Perhaps you overlooked my previous post...


2010 is the first year in a quite a while where he's been healthy while playing full time.

Keppinger had 344 PAs last year. It's an okay sample size, but it's not big enough in my opinion. He was still .50 WAR last year. If he had played a full season, he may have been 1 WAR. We simply don't know for sure. As I said before (and will again), this is the first year where he has been healthy and has been given the chance to play full time.

sabometrics
08-08-2010, 12:44 AM
I don't miss Keppinger, and something tells me I won't miss Sutton either. Don't dislike them, but as stated, they are the expendables.

camisadelgolf
08-08-2010, 11:50 AM
Or, you could say that the Reds traded 1B Paul Konerko, SP Brett Tomko, IF Antonio Perez, and P Jake Meyer for Nick Masset and Danny Richar. :cool:
Don't forget Dennys Reyes. ;)