8-7-10 Reds @ Cubs Stubbs in line up.

[FlyerFanatic]

this is just old at this point.

[redsfan_12]

Damnit to hell

[davereds24]

anyone have the radio on? what is Marty saying?

[texasdave]

And, yes, I am blaming this on Dusty.

[CWRed]

Every. Freakin. Game.

[RedsFanInBama]

What a joke.

What idiot signed this guy to a $48 million contract?

[FlyerFanatic]

no one getting loose either

[texasdave]

Ball one.

[Griffey012]

I bet coco comes and reads the RedZone game threads after games and gets a laugh.

[ILoveWilly]

And, yes, I am blaming this on Dusty.

Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?

[redsfan_12]

anyone have the radio on? what is Marty saying?

Saying you gotta be kiddin me. 3 run lead, and this never gets any better

[moewan]

masset getting loose in hurry

[Vottomatic]

Walked him. Get out there, Dusty. You idiot.

Dusty won't do it because he's a frickin' players manager, but a GOOD manager would take him out just to make a statement. I'd have had Rhodes up and brought him in now just to say "throw strikes or sit down".

[texasdave]

This is ridiculous It is not like CoCo hasn't been doing this all year long.

[TheBigLebowski]

Told you folks we'd see the tying run at the plate.

[texasdave]

Ball Two.

[RedsFanInBama]

He's about to walk them loaded.

[Redlegs_87]

Cubs helped him out yesterday they aren't going to bail Co-Co this time.

[Maker_84]

time for Chapman to replace Cordero

[texasdave]

3-0. Geez.

[RedsFanInBama]

Get his ass out!!!!!!!!!!

[ILoveWilly]

Omg i freaking hate your guts.

[moewan]

loaded up

[Vottomatic]

The other NL contenders just laugh at facing the Reds in the 9th inning. All game long their players are saying, it's not over yet, we'll get'em in the 9th when Cordero the batting tee comes in.

[texasdave]

Thank you, Coco.

[ILoveWilly]

Put massett in and get rid of this fool.

[redsfan_12]

My god

[CWRed]

DFA him after the game.

[texasdave]

And Dusty will run him out there tomorrow if he gets a chance.

[Krawhitham]

Chapman will be the closer for the playoffs, book it

[Vottomatic]

DFA him after the game.

I would.

[davereds24]

This is why the players like Dusty.

[moewan]

double play here

[TheBigLebowski]

48 mil for this.

I can walk guys left and right...and I'll do it for 1/48th of what he gets paid.

[leeech86]

I feel the need to binge drink every time I see coco

[Vottomatic]

This is why the players like Dusty.

Yeah, they can totally suck and Dusty still loves them.

[ILoveWilly]

48 mil for this.

I can walk guys left and right...and I'll do it for 1/48th of what he gets paid.

I'll do it for free - as long as its for ST Louis.

[CWRed]

NOW! he throws strikes...

[ILoveWilly]

I really, really hope this is the last game Cordero closes for the Res in one way or another.

[redsfan_12]

Does the guy have an offspeed pitch??

[Vottomatic]

5-4 loss. Lee with 2 out grand slam to win it in walk off fashion.

[RedsFanInBama]

3-run lead. And you bring the winning run to the plate without making them put the ball in play.

[ILoveWilly]

Wow. Unbelievable.

[texasdave]

Oh now Dusty comes out. You fool.

[rolenmvp]

please dusty...get rid of this clown!!!!

[CWRed]

Oh. My. God.

[FlyerFanatic]

hilarious. where are the dusty backers now?

[moewan]

hit castro with the pitch

[Vottomatic]

Poor Masset. Inherits this pathetic situation.

[Krawhitham]

Does the guy have an offspeed pitch??

He has one pitch that is no longer fast enough to get by hitters

[redsfan_12]

Get him out dusty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ILoveWilly]

You fat piece of crap.

[Vottomatic]

Cordero = Weak Link

[texasdave]

Great managing by Johnny Baker.

[FlyerFanatic]

way to go dusty, how do you allow him to walk the bases loaded?

[RedsFanInBama]

3-run lead and you put the winning run on first base without making them put a ball in play.

[texasdave]

Indefensible. Although I am sure plenty of folks will find a way.

[leeech86]

I wanna throw up slightly.

[rolenmvp]

this is going to end bad and the marlins have a huge chance tonight to win...pathetic effort by cordero..

[RedsFanInBama]

There's zero way on God's earth that Rhodes, Massett, Ondrusek or Smith couldn't do a better job closing games out than Cordero.

[redsfan_12]

Masset or smith should be the damn closer anyway

[ILoveWilly]

Indefensible. Although I am sure plenty of folks will find a way.

Yeah what is the excuse this time? Too many innings? Too few innings? What is it. I've been saying for months this guy is a piece of crap and needs to go because he's doing nothing but hurting the team.

[Redeye fly]

Good grief, can I get a post in? Redszone is melting down!:p:

All seriousness, pretty sad when your highly paid closer is currently the worst or perhaps second worst pitcher in your pen.

[AintlifeGrande]

Well looks like we're about to see .

[texasdave]

Nope. Dusty was trying to get Cordero some confidence.

[CWRed]

Most other managers do the same stupid things. Problem with Dusty is he always seems to leave a guy in at least one batter too long. Coco should have been gone after the 2nd walk. And Dusty should tell him. You walk guys, you don't play...at all.

But "He's my closer, dude."

[TheBigLebowski]

Just sickening. Bad, bad baseball. I have tried and tried to withhold on the Cordero bashing, but he deserves every bit of it - especially when one considers what he is getting paid.

I know money talks in baseball, but Walt didn't sign FC. Demote him to setup duty and have someone else close ballgames. Cordero is just awful.

[Knightro28]

LOL and RedZone implodes.

[foxfire123]

Gawd Dusty is an idiot and Price needs to grow a set and start laying into that idiot Cordero.

ETA: great. Masset starts off with a ball.....

[arkimadee]

here you go nick.. no pressure

[CWRed]

And now the umps is squeezing...

[FlyerFanatic]

walt likes this team though, dont need bullpen help. lets count on russ springer...oh wait..

[Brisco]

Cmon Nick... you can do it

[texasdave]

Lee and Ramirez coming to the plate. No pressure here.

[Krawhitham]

DAMN that was a nice no play

[Magdal]

Ooooo! I thot it was fair.:eek:

[arkimadee]

this game is so big.. we can't blow this

[Vottomatic]

LOL and RedZone implodes.

Uh........Cordero imploded and Redszone reacted. Nothing wrong with that.

I guess you don't have a pulse when it comes to the Reds, dude. :rolleyes:

[texasdave]

Struck him out swinging..yes

[arkimadee]

one more to go baby

[moewan]

hugh strikeout there

[ILoveWilly]

Good K Masett. Comeon dude, give us another.

[Redeye fly]

Nasty pitch there.

[CWRed]

Yeah Nick come on!

[knoonan991]

Beautiful pitch there!

[Brisco]

walt likes this team though, dont need bullpen help. lets count on russ springer...oh wait..

Wow.... what do you hope to gain from this... first you hate the manager, now the GM.... as bad as you think they are, you would think we have a record worst than the Pirates.

And for eeveryone else... we have not lost this game yet.

[redsfan_12]

Boy that was tough

[TheBigLebowski]

whooooo Little Nicky...nice...

Need one more to get out of the jam FC created

[RedsFanInBama]

Make another pitch, Nick.

[Vottomatic]

Unload Cordero. Ondrusek and Masset can close games in the future. Heck, closer by committee would suit me just fine.

[arkimadee]

god that was his pitch right there.. shew

[FlyerFanatic]

Wow.... what do you hope to gain from this... first you hate the manager, now the GM.... as bad as you think they are, you would think we have a record worst than the Pirates.

And for eeveryone else... we have not lost this game yet.

just venting. we've known we needed bullpen help forever this season...nothing was done but bringing in old fogey's

[Knightro28]

Just a question for fantasy purposes, if Masset gets the save, does Cordero get the hold?

[Griffey012]

Just a question for fantasy purposes, if Masset gets the save, does Cordero get the hold?

Yes.

[Krawhitham]

Just a question for fantasy purposes, if Masset gets the save, does Cordero get the hold?

he should he got 1 out

[texasdave]

A hold for that effort. Nice.

[ILoveWilly]

Just a question for fantasy purposes, if Masset gets the save, does Cordero get the hold?

The only hold Cordero should get is his hands on a pink slip.

[Redlegs_87]

Strikes throw strikes

[RedsFanInBama]

Uh oh.

[texasdave]

4-3.

[Redlegs_87]

COME ON!

[ILoveWilly]

Wow. We are really are going to lose this.

[AintlifeGrande]

Where is Rhodes?

[Krawhitham]

That is OK it was CoCo's run, now get the last out

[CWRed]

Oh dear. On my 5th heart attck. Walks Ramirez to face their best hitter.

[ILoveWilly]

Two runs on no hits.

[Redeye fly]

If they get a 2 run hit I may start throwing things.

[RedsFanInBama]

By the way, they still haven't done one damn thing except take pitches and they're on hit away from winning it.

[Vottomatic]

Where is Rhodes?

Said the same thing when CoCo was pitching. Dusty stinks.

[Maker_84]

we don't deserve to win having a closer as bad as Cordero

[moewan]

killing me slowly

have not put a ball in play yet

[redsfan_12]

Ah. Might as well win it here Bryd

[texasdave]

Come the heck on !!

[Reds]

tense stuff here

[TheBigLebowski]

If we lose this game, I am going to send a tactical nuke to Omaha, Nebraska.

Let's face it - they had it coming, and I love popcorn.

[Knightro28]

First strike on Byrd was same spot as ball 4 to aramis

[Griffey012]

This ump is awful, he can't decide what to call a low strike and what not to.

[ILoveWilly]

Comeon give us strike 3 here.

[texasdave]

1-2. one more strike.

[Reds]

1 strike away

[texasdave]

TOBTTR!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ILoveWilly]

Yes!!! Massett = mvp!

[arkimadee]

YES\!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 thank god

[Griffey012]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! That was a fun ride!

[moewan]

YES

[ILoveWilly]

Massett = new closer.

[Brisco]

Masset does his job.

[Maker_84]

HOLY **** WE WON!!!

[redsfan_12]

I love you Nick!

[knoonan991]

WOOO!!!!

[arkimadee]

god i haven't screamed out YEA that loud in my life

[Reds]

fist pumps! whew!

[texasdave]

they got two runs and had the bases loaded and did not put the ball into play in the inning. amazing.

[CWRed]

Bet Coco is back tomorrow. Reds win! Reds win!

The Cubs. Get real.

[Redlegs_87]

Did Thom just say he slammed the door? More like gently ushered them out then slowly shut the door.

[Redeye fly]

Byrd swung at 2 pitches that would have been balls in that at bat... at least one for sure.

Thank you.

[TheBigLebowski]

whoooooo hoooooo hooo hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


Nebraska is safe!!!

[FlyerFanatic]

masset should be the new closer. oh and where are the dusty backers, explain leaving coco in

[Krawhitham]

good job, he was afraid of Ramirez who is hitting .375 against him

[foxfire123]

I take back everything I ever said bad about Masset. Earn that job baby!

[Maker_84]

Cordero should never pitch again. The Chapman era should be beginning soon

[texasdave]

4 walks, one hbp and 3 ks in the inning. has anyone ever seen an inning like that before?

[Krawhitham]

Did Thom just say he slammed the door? More like gently ushered them out then slowly shut the door.

Bases Loaded one out and only give up 1 run and K two players

He slammed the door

[Vottomatic]

I'd love to DFA Cordero and have some team actually claim him. I'd send them $6M to take him off our hands.

[Redlegs_87]

Bases Loaded one out and only give up 1 run and K two players

He slammed the door

1-2-3 is slamming the door either way i'll take the win.

[texasdave]

You know Dusty is gonna run him back out there tomorrow in the same situation. You just know it.

[rolenmvp]

this is playoff baseball..basesloaded 2 outs and you strikeout a guy. that is how this pennant race is won. masset did a great job.

[RedsFanInBama]

masset should be the new closer. oh and where are the dusty backers, explain leaving coco in

Did we watch a different game? He didn't leave him in.

Hell, I give him credit for yanking him at all. Lots of managers won't do that with their closer, period.

All that said, everyone here is crazy if they think Dusty isn't running CoCo back out there the next time there is a save opportunity.

[Caveman Techie]

They have got to do something with Coco. He is not the same pitcher anymore.

[Knightro28]

masset should be the new closer. oh and where are the dusty backers, explain leaving coco in

Leaving him in? When did he leave him in?

He had Masset warming up ASAP. Brought him in, and game over. So, no credit for Dusty if they win, but its all on him if they lose.

What about the move of playing Nix / Stubbs today? Random luck of the draw? No credit to Dusty.

This place is so negative it's not even funny.

[FlyerFanatic]

Did we watch a different game? He didn't leave him in.

Hell, I give him credit for yanking him at all. Lots of managers won't do that with their closer, period.

All that said, everyone here is crazy if they think Dusty isn't running CoCo back out there the next time there is a save opportunity.

meant leaving him in as long as he did. walking bases loaded...joke

[ILoveWilly]

Leaving him in? When did he leave him in?

He had Masset warming up ASAP. Brought him in, and game over. So, no credit for Dusty if they win, but its all on him if they lose.

What about the move of playing Nix / Stubbs today? Random luck of the draw? No credit to Dusty.

This place is so negative it's not even funny.

Remember the part when it took 3 straight walks and a hit batter to get him out of the game? Yeah .. he shouldn't have been in that long. Then again, he shouldn't have been in at all, but I guess we can afford to play the salary game with players and manage by who gets the biggest paycheck.

[Caveman Techie]

meant leaving him in as long as he did. walking bases loaded...joke

It does take a little time for a pitcher to warmup. Might have been worse if he brought Masset in cold.

You are just looking for an excuse to hate on Dusty. He did fine.

[FlyerFanatic]

Leaving him in? When did he leave him in?

He had Masset warming up ASAP. Brought him in, and game over. So, no credit for Dusty if they win, but its all on him if they lose.

What about the move of playing Nix / Stubbs today? Random luck of the draw? No credit to Dusty.

This place is so negative it's not even funny.

i'd call it passionate, not negative. cordero was blowing up again, so the fans blew up. who are you? george grande, everything sunshine and rainbows?

[Reds]

They have got to do something with Coco. He is not the same pitcher anymore.

He had converted 12 of 13 coming into today, I was hopeful he was coming around. He still might, but it's risky because we're in a division race.

[RedsFanInBama]

meant leaving him in as long as he did. walking bases loaded...joke
I'll choose to give him credit for having Massett ready to go and putting him in at all. Like I said, lots of managers shut down their pen in that situation and say, "It's the closer's game." At least Dusty had Massett ready and actually used him.

[Redeye fly]

I'm going to look at the positive. Remember when Masset was pitching horribly earlier in the year?

Nice to have him almost back to where he was last year. At least today. Don't like the walk with the bases loaded, but heck, that was a great job to hold on to that one.

[Vottomatic]

Honestly, I'm surprised Dusty took CoCo out. Usually he waits until all the damage has been done and we've lost, like the Atlanta fiasco.

[Brisco]

just venting. we've known we needed bullpen help forever this season...nothing was done but bringing in old fogey's

Actually, since the break our bullpen has been excellent. Smith, Masset, Ondrusek, and Rhodes have all been very good. And the old fogey signings were not bad decisions at all.

This team is in first place and we did NOT mortage our future to get there....

a few years back a GM made the ambitious move of giving away the future for some BP help... that did not turn out so well.

Our closer is struggling and may need to be replaced... but the organization has a few candidates in house that might be excellent replacements.

The bottom line is that Walt was not going to overpay for a marginal improvement to the 25 man roster... and so far it looks like he made the right decision.

[FlyerFanatic]

I'll choose to give him credit for having Massett ready to go and putting him in at all. Like I said, lots of managers shut down their pen in that situation and say, "It's the closer's game." At least Dusty had Massett ready and actually used him.

dont know about that, im pretty sure most managers after seeing their closer walk the bases loaded with a 3 run lead have someone warming up

[Knightro28]

i'd call it passionate, not negative. cordero was blowing up again, so the fans blew up. who are you? george grande, everything sunshine and rainbows?

Haha, that's legit funny. No I"m not George Grande, but I mean come on, the Reds are in first place, the players are (for the most part) coming through in clutch situations, the front office is on the right track, the farm is overall positive (maybe inconsistent, but still).

[FlyerFanatic]

Haha, that's legit funny. No I"m not George Grande, but I mean come on, the Reds are in first place, the players are (for the most part) coming through in clutch situations, the front office is on the right track, the farm is overall positive (maybe inconsistent, but still).

i guess i dont understand why you would expect fans not to blow up and freak out like they did when cordero did what he did. its natural, all fans would do that. you make it sound like we're all idiots for getting upset cordero isnt doing his job

[Caveman Techie]

He had converted 12 of 13 coming into today, I was hopeful he was coming around. He still might, but it's risky because we're in a division race.

True, but it's never a 1,2,3 inning he always puts the tying run on. Heck I have a theory that if opposing teams would just not swing the bat at all Coco couldn't strike them out (today is almost an example of that).

[Redeye fly]

Actually, since the break our bullpen has been excellent. Smith, Masset, Ondrusek, and Rhodes have all been very good. And the old fogey signings were not bad decisions at all.

This team is in first place and we did NOT mortage our future to get there....

a few years back a GM made the ambitious move of giving away the future for some BP help... that did not turn out so well.

Our closer is struggling and may need to be replaced... but the organization has a few candidates in house that might be excellent replacements.

The bottom line is that Walt was not going to overpay for a marginal improvement to the 25 man roster... and so far it looks like he made the right decision.

This.

Our bullpen needs help? Since when? Earlier in the year, sure. But since mid June or so, they, along with the entire staff have for the most part been lights out.

Our only bullpen problem at the moment is Cordero, and maybe to a lesser extent Bray. And we don't just have old fogies in the minors, we also have Burton and Chapman.

[TheBigLebowski]

Great win, Reds....great win. I will enjoy my Saturday with this.

Maybe the Cards will actually lose a game. 1 1/2 games in first at this point would be better than intercourse, unless the recipient is named Blake Lively.

[ILoveWilly]

Welsh was saying you can't change your closer now because the other guys are too unproven to take his spot in that pressure situation. Are you freaking serious? That's like the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

[Reds]

We're 15 games over .500. :D 15!

[Knightro28]

i guess i dont understand why you would expect fans not to blow up and freak out like they did when cordero did what he did. its natural, all fans would do that. you make it sound like we're all idiots for getting upset cordero isnt doing his job

I'm not defending Cordero in any way shape or form. Yeah, he really blew it today, but thankfully, Dusty pulled him and Masset was effective.

I know baseball is an extremely emotional sport, as every pitch has game changing implications. I would just caution people (myself included) to step back and breathe, and not freak out at every little single thing.

Look back at the game thread. Negative post after negative post. Some warranted, some not. Volquez, Bruce, Stubbs, Dusty, Cordero, etc etc etc.

[texasdave]

I'm not defending Cordero in any way shape or form. Yeah, he really blew it today, but thankfully, Dusty pulled him and Masset was effective.

I know baseball is an extremely emotional sport, as every pitch has game changing implications. I would just caution people (myself included) to step back and breathe, and not freak out at every little single thing.

Look back at the game thread. Negative post after negative post. Some warranted, some not. Volquez, Bruce, Stubbs, Dusty, Cordero, etc etc etc.

You have to understand the context. Reds' fans have been pummeled to death by this team's showing for the past decade. We expect things to turn out badly.
That being said, in light of Cordero's appearances basically all year long, how do you not have someone ready when he starts his usual crap? To not have someone ready would have been negligent. It was not a great managerial move to have Masset ready.
Coco needs to be on a strict two-walk limit.

Two bases on balls and you get a seat on the bench.

[texasdave]

If your closer is head and shoulders better than everyone else it would be one thing. You can let a game like this happen from time to time. But CoCo could well be the worst reliever on this team. If not the worst, not far from it.

[Knightro28]

You have to understand the context. Reds' fans have been pummeled to death by this team's showing for the past decade. We expect things to turn out badly.
That being said, in light of Cordero's appearances basically all year long, how you not have someone ready when he starts his usual crap? To not have someone ready would have been negligent. It was not a great managerial move to have Masset ready.
Coco needs to be on a strict two-walk limit.

Two bases on balls and you get a seat on the bench.

How do I not understand the context? I've followed the Reds my entire life.

I wouldn't say we, as Reds fans, are as tortured as the Cubs, or even the Indians or Pirates. Yeah, it's been awhile. It was a horrible decade. But this year the ship has apparently been righted and I think that the team from top to bottom has earned our trust.

[texasdave]

How do I not understand the context? I've followed the Reds my entire life.

I wouldn't say we, as Reds fans, are as tortured as the Cubs, or even the Indians or Pirates. Yeah, it's been awhile. It was a horrible decade. But this year the ship has apparently been righted and I think that the team from top to bottom has earned our trust.

Most of it has earned mine. I have zero confidence in Francisco Cordero. None.

[Trace's Daddy]

I bet coco comes and reads the RedZone game threads after games and gets a laugh.

yeah, all the way to the bank.