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11larkin11
08-24-2010, 10:18 PM
What will be the Cards' excuse for losing tonight?

They're blaming Oquiendo for not sending Winn earlier.

Chip R
08-24-2010, 10:22 PM
He used some of Carpenters slick balls?

:eek:

Ghosts of 1990
08-24-2010, 10:26 PM
Playing with house money tonight fellas..... hope the Reds have killer instinct. This would be huge to go into tomorrow up 3.5

OesterPoster
08-25-2010, 03:27 PM
Braves out to a quick 3-0 lead over the Rockies already today.

OesterPoster
08-25-2010, 04:34 PM
10-1 Braves now.

MattyHo4Life
08-25-2010, 05:44 PM
What will be the Cards' excuse for losing tonight?

I heard an intrview by Wainwright this morning about the game last night. He said that the loss was all his fault and that he just didn't pitch good enough.

Chip R
08-25-2010, 07:43 PM
I heard an intrview by Wainwright this morning about the game last night. He said that the loss was all his fault and that he just didn't pitch good enough.

They are going to have to trade him if he keeps accepting responsibility like that. He won't fit in. ;)

Tornon
08-25-2010, 08:23 PM
10-1 Braves now.

Well that didn't last

Tornon
08-25-2010, 08:24 PM
Daniel McCutchen is somehow throwing a gem.. Pirates have a 4-0 lead through 5

Tornon
08-25-2010, 08:41 PM
Happ & the Astros just took a 3-2 lead over Halladay & the Phillies in the 7th

Brutus
08-25-2010, 08:43 PM
Happ & the Astros just took a 3-2 lead over Halladay & the Phillies in the 7th

Was just about to post but lost my connection. Kudos :)

Cyclone792
08-25-2010, 08:50 PM
With everything we've gone through today as Reds fans, we deserve to be able to celebrate both a Cardinals loss and a Phillies loss tonight to mix in with today's epic game.

C'mon Pirates and Astros, hold on ...

nemesis
08-25-2010, 08:51 PM
Pirates pull their starter after 80 pitches. Scrub BP guy comes in immediately allows HR to Lopez. Love the Pirates. Love em.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 08:53 PM
More bad news: Phillies have runners 1st & 2nd with 1 out.

Good news: they are pinch-hitting for Halladay.

Cyclone792
08-25-2010, 09:04 PM
Phillies had runners on 1st and 3rd with two outs and Rollins up, and Ben Francisco gets picked off third base to end the inning.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 09:04 PM
The Astros get out of a jam in the 7th, picking off Francisco at third base to end the inning. They still lead 3-2.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 09:05 PM
Pirates escape the 7th with no further damage stranding Pujols in the on-deck circle; lead 4-1

Tornon
08-25-2010, 09:14 PM
Evan Meek is in the 8th now.. the Pirates have a different closer every game

Tornon
08-25-2010, 09:15 PM
Pujols makes another out.. average down to .319

Brutus
08-25-2010, 09:16 PM
Pujols grounds out. 1 down.

Rollins & Victorino both make outs... 2 down in the bottom of the Phillies 8th.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 09:18 PM
Phillies go 1-2-3 in the 8th. 3-2 Astros lead heading to 9.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 09:18 PM
Meek gets Pujols, Holliday, Jay 1-2-3, nice play by the Pirates to end the inning, 4-1 Bucs mid 8

Tornon
08-25-2010, 09:21 PM
Jones goes yard! 5-1 Pirates

Tornon
08-25-2010, 09:28 PM
Pirates carry a 5-1 lead into the 9th.. we know there has to be some because it's the Pirates but let's keep funny business to a minimum please

Brutus
08-25-2010, 09:31 PM
Two down in the 9th for Houston. Need one more out to beat the Phils'

Tornon
08-25-2010, 09:31 PM
Lopez pops up, 1 out

Brutus
08-25-2010, 09:31 PM
Howard with a pinch hit single with 2 outs. Ben Francisco up to bat.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 09:33 PM
Feliz singles to center..

REDblooded
08-25-2010, 09:33 PM
Cardinals are pretty terrible...

Brutus
08-25-2010, 09:34 PM
Astros win again!

Tornon
08-25-2010, 09:34 PM
Anderson strikes out, 2 down..

Brutus
08-25-2010, 09:35 PM
If Pittsburgh can get this last out, Braves, Phillies, Giants and Cardinals will have all lost today.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 09:36 PM
Miles singles to right, Feliz scores after having taken 2nd. 5-2 Pirates

_Sir_Charles_
08-25-2010, 09:36 PM
Astros win again!

UGH. Don't post that. It makes me wanna vomit. How about....

"PHILLIES LOSE AGAIN!!!"

Much more palatable. :D

Tornon
08-25-2010, 09:37 PM
0-2 to Schumaker..

Chip R
08-25-2010, 09:37 PM
Miles gets a 2 out hit and scores Feliz. 5-2 Bucs.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 09:38 PM
Ground to short.. pirates win!! I <3 the Pirates!

Chip R
08-25-2010, 09:38 PM
Yes. 3.5 up!

Cyclone792
08-25-2010, 09:38 PM
Cardinals lose again! Sleep well, Tony!

dsmith421
08-25-2010, 09:38 PM
Those Battlin' Buccos! I never doubted them for a second.

mbgrayson
08-25-2010, 09:38 PM
Raise the Jolly Roger! Pirates win 5-2!

Brutus
08-25-2010, 09:39 PM
Down goes Frazier.

paintmered
08-25-2010, 09:39 PM
Thank you, Pirates. You may now return to your former ways...

YouTube - VeggieTales Pirates Who Don't Do Anything (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaWU1CmrJNc)

Tornon
08-25-2010, 09:39 PM
Go Nationals!

Brutus
08-25-2010, 09:40 PM
Go Nationals!

Cue OBM with, "the Cardinals are so lucky. They won't have to face Strasburg this weekend."

Tornon
08-25-2010, 09:41 PM
Cue OBM with, "the Cardinals are so lucky. They won't have to face Strasburg this weekend."

They do have to face Zimmermann though, we had the fortune of missing him

Brutus
08-25-2010, 09:42 PM
They do have to face Zimmermann though, we had the fortune of missing him

I love me some Zimmermann, but just coming back from a long, long absence, that may not be a bad thing for them.

reds44
08-25-2010, 09:43 PM
So we give up 38 runs in a series, but still manage to get a W and not lose any ground on the Cardinals while they were playing the Pirates. Sweet.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 09:43 PM
I love me some Zimmermann, but just coming back from a long, long absence, that may not be a bad thing for them.

Just watch, tomorrow will be a thing of beauty..

Brutus
08-25-2010, 09:48 PM
So we give up 38 runs in a series, but still manage to get a W and not lose any ground on the Cardinals while they were playing the Pirates. Sweet.

Yeah that is a moral victory if not an outright victory.

WVRedsFan
08-25-2010, 09:58 PM
Raise the Jolly Roger! Pirates win 5-2!Everytime I hear Manny say that, I gag. You didn't have to bring it up because i almost did :D.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 10:09 PM
I just saw the play where Francisco got picked off in the HOU-PHI game.. I can't imagine how RedsZone would light up if that happened to a red

OnBaseMachine
08-25-2010, 11:55 PM
Wow, I can't believe the Pirates took two of three from the Cardinals. I thought the Cardinals would win at least seven of their final nine against the Pirates. Well done, Pirates. I hope they can find a way to win at least two of those final six against the Cardinals.

PuffyPig
08-26-2010, 12:00 AM
Wow, I can't believe the Pirates took two of three from the Cardinals. I thought the Cardinals would win at least seven of their final nine against the Pirates. Well done, Pirates. I hope they can find a way to win at least two of those final six against the Cardinals.

The Pirates record at home is about the same as the Cards record on the road.

I'd suggest we make then earn their wins, instead of giving them 4 out of 6.

Cyclone792
08-26-2010, 10:26 AM
The Phillies and Astros get underway at 1:05pm this afternoon. The Padres and Diamondbacks have an early west coast game starting at 6:35pm, though the Padres are starting to put together some separation between them and everyone else.

The Cardinals and Nats start at 7:05pm tonight; Carpenter vs. Zimmermann.

The Braves, Giants and Rockies all have off days. The Rockies looked like they may have been finished last weekend, but they've since won four in a row to creep a bit closer.

OnBaseMachine
08-26-2010, 01:25 PM
The Astros have taken a 1-0 lead in the first inning against the Phillies. The game is on MLB Network.

OnBaseMachine
08-26-2010, 02:00 PM
3-0 Astros in the 3rd inning.

MattyHo4Life
08-26-2010, 02:08 PM
Go Astros! lol

Playadlc
08-26-2010, 02:13 PM
Wandy has been lights out in the 2nd half.

Ghosts of 1990
08-26-2010, 02:23 PM
The stars are aligning so nicely for the time being.

OnBaseMachine
08-26-2010, 02:29 PM
4-0 Astros in the 5th inning. Wandy Rodriguez has yet to allow a hit through four innings.

membengal
08-26-2010, 03:57 PM
Doesn't StL go to houston to end their 10-game roadie? If so, at least they would have to deal w/ wandy...

oneupper
08-26-2010, 04:00 PM
Houston beats Phillies 5-1 for a four game sweep.

Hoosier Red
08-26-2010, 04:04 PM
I just saw the play where Francisco got picked off in the HOU-PHI game.. I can't imagine how RedsZone would light up if that happened to a red

The Phillies have to be the worst baserunning team of all time. Didn't they have an inning not too long ago where they had no outs made by the batter?

membengal
08-26-2010, 07:08 PM
Heads up that Tornon has started a Nats/Cards game thread on the ORG game thread sub-forum.

membengal
08-26-2010, 08:49 PM
Bump. Reminder of game thread on ORG game thread forum for the Nats/Cards game. It's worth checking out at this juncture...

Brutus
08-26-2010, 08:53 PM
Padres update:

Ian Kennedy pitched a GEM for the Diamondbacks tonight. 7 innings, 1 hit, 2 walks, 0 runs and 12 K's.

Arizona leads 11-0 in the 8th.

OnBaseMachine
08-26-2010, 09:19 PM
Just to give up an update to those who haven't been following the game thread, the Nationals lead the Cardinals 8-5 heading to the 8th inning in D.C.

membengal
08-26-2010, 09:20 PM
But folks should go to the special game thread. Ain't no party like a scoreboard watching party.

oneupper
08-26-2010, 09:36 PM
Chris Denorfia injured in the Padres game. Look like a hammy. Not good.

OnBaseMachine
08-26-2010, 10:00 PM
The Nationals carried an 8-6 lead into the 9th inning and managed to give up hits to Pedro Feliz, Aaron Miles, Brendan Ryan, and Randy Winn. Cardinals now lead 10-8 in the 9th inning and are threatening to score more.

Nationals tied the game at 10-10 in the bottom of the 9th.

membengal
08-26-2010, 10:13 PM
OBM, take it to the game thread!

Sadness turned to joy when Bernadihna tied it!

Tornon
08-26-2010, 11:42 PM
For anyone that didn't catch it, the Cardinals lost 11-10 in 13 innings. 4 game lead in the division

OnBaseMachine
08-26-2010, 11:43 PM
Reds now have a four game lead with 35 games remaining after the Cardinals lost to the Nationals, 11-10, in 13 innings tonight.

BTW, from now on I'm going to bash every Cardinals opponent before or during the game. It seems to be working lately. :cool:

SirFelixCat
08-26-2010, 11:52 PM
For anyone that didn't catch it, the Cardinals lost 11-10 in 13 innings. 4 game lead in the division

And a heck of a gamethread to boot! :thumbup:

oregonred
08-26-2010, 11:56 PM
Insane few days. Reds give up 38 runs to the Giants, almost blow a 10-1 lead and manage to GAIN .5 games on the Cards and 1.5 games on the Phils thanks to the Astros, Pirates and Nats.

SirFelixCat
08-26-2010, 11:56 PM
Just a friendly reminder, too... The Cards play 37 more games in 38 days. Have fun fellas! :wave:

Wheelhouse
08-27-2010, 12:01 AM
Just delicious. LaRussa is literally paving the way for the Reds to the playoffs. He just gets killed in these close games where he is tempted to employ his newfangled "strategies." I'd say a lot of his past success is due to Jocketty (who was both in Oakland and St. Lou), but please, keep him away from Cincy.

oregonred
08-27-2010, 12:01 AM
Huge story if Matt Holliday misses any time due to the HBP. The Big 4 completely carry that club.

reds44
08-27-2010, 12:04 AM
I think what could be happening is finally starting to sink in with me. I've just been waiting for us to collapse. However, we went out west, came back, and we're still 4 games up. Everything that's thrown at us, we take and we bounce back. This could be something special, and I'm finally beleving it.

Tornon
08-27-2010, 12:07 AM
Huge story if Matt Holliday misses any time due to the HBP. The Big 4 completely carry that club.

Don't forget Pujols got hurt too, he could be looking at some missed time

OnBaseMachine
08-27-2010, 12:07 AM
The Reds have 35 games remaining; the Cardinals 37. The Reds magic number is at 33. If the Reds can go at least 18-17 the rest of the way and the Cardinals lose at least 15 of their final 37 games, the Reds clinch a playoff berth. I'm hoping for better than 18-17, though. I'm hoping for at least 20-15 from the Reds.

WVRedsFan
08-27-2010, 12:13 AM
Just delicious. LaRussa is literally paving the way for the Reds to the playoffs. He just gets killed in these close games where he is tempted to employ his newfangled "strategies." I'd say a lot of his past success is due to Jocketty (who was both in Oakland and St. Lou), but please, keep him away from Cincy.Listen, dude, Dusty's coming back for a couple more years and that dude over in St. Louis is staying put. No chance The Genius will end up in Cincinnati. After all, he'd have to manage Cueto and Phillips. Might drive him to drink ;).

oregonred
08-27-2010, 12:24 AM
The Reds are in control of their fate now. They need to play slightly better than .500 ball, win one or more of the games in STL and the playoffs are almost a lock.

92-70 means they must go 19-16 to finish out.

Cards would have to go 24-13 just to tie and one of the
Phils, Giants, Rockies would have to go 22-13, 21-13 or 26-10 just to tie

This assumes the Braves win the NL East although they have the exact same record as the Reds so if they flounder at all, they could slip below the Reds giving another positive scenario to the mix.

Pushing it to 93 or more wins really makes the math tough (not impossible, but 2 of the 3 would really have to blow the doors off to ace out the Reds).

REDblooded
08-27-2010, 12:29 AM
not to mention the 30 games in 30 days that the Cards face, and the Reds don't...

kaldaniels
08-27-2010, 12:34 AM
The Reds are in control of their fate now. They need to play slightly better than .500 ball, win one or more of the games in STL and the playoffs are almost a lock.

92-70 means they must go 19-16 to finish out.

Cards would have to go 24-13 just to tie and one of the
Phils, Giants, Rockies would have to go 22-13, 21-13 or 26-10 just to tie

This assumes the Braves win the NL East although they have the exact same record as the Reds so if they flounder at all, they could slip below the Reds giving another positive scenario to the mix.

Pushing it to 93 or more wins really makes the math tough (not impossible, but 2 of the 3 would really have to blow the doors off to ace out the Reds).

Amazing turn of events in the past 30 hours. Let's play the should have game. The Giants should have beat the Reds after taking the lead 11-10. The Cards should have beat the Nats and Bucs (with Carp pitching tonight no less). Had those all occured, the Reds are just 1 game up.

Starting with the top of the 9th inning in SF yesterday...what are the odds that each of those 3 games turned out the right way for the Reds...I'd say 1 in 100. I'll take it. :beerme:

MattyHo4Life
08-27-2010, 01:07 AM
The Cardinals just can't beat the teams they are supposed to beat. They beat teams like the Reds and Giants, but then have problems with the Pirates and Nationals? That just doesn't make much sense.

MattyHo4Life
08-27-2010, 01:15 AM
Huge story if Matt Holliday misses any time due to the HBP. The Big 4 completely carry that club.

Holliday said after the game that he thinks his hand will be fine because of where he was hit. You never know though.

MattyHo4Life
08-27-2010, 01:18 AM
Don't forget Pujols got hurt too, he could be looking at some missed time

If Pujols misses significant time, then the Cardinals will not make the playoffs. although, Pujols has played most of his career in pain, he just keeps playing. I don't know if he will play tomorrow, because I'm sure he will have a lot of swelling. I wouldn't doubt him though. The Cardinals cannot win without Pujols though. I think the Reds could win without Votto. What do you guys think?

The Operator
08-27-2010, 01:35 AM
think the Reds could win without Votto. What do you guys think?

Not for an extended amount of time.

VR
08-27-2010, 01:36 AM
To Matty's question.....the Reds without Votto are a much much better team than the Cards without Pujols.

And that's no slam on Votto.

Heath
08-27-2010, 07:45 AM
The Cardinals just can't beat the teams they are supposed to beat. They beat teams like the Reds and Giants, but then have problems with the Pirates and Nationals? That just doesn't make much sense.

I hope the Reds can beat the teams they are supposed to beat. If the Pirates are beating the Cards, you can be sure they aren't going to be scared of the Reds.

membengal
08-27-2010, 08:09 AM
The Reds would not win without Votto.

Look back to what happened last year in June when Votto went out. Heck, Dusty said as much.

MattyHo4Life
08-27-2010, 08:26 AM
The Reds would not win without Votto.

Look back to what happened last year in June when Votto went out. Heck, Dusty said as much.

You really don't think so? The Reds have a good team even without Votto. Of course, Votto makes the team better, but the Reds are still a good hitting team without Votto. Take Pujols out of the Cards line-up and put Craig in his place, and compare the two teams. As a Cardinals fan, I wish it wasn't true, but the Cardinals line-up is very pedestrian without Pujols.

cincrazy
08-27-2010, 08:28 AM
You really don't think so? The Reds have a good team even without Votto. Of course, Votto makes the team better, but the Reds are still a good hitting team without Votto. Take Pujols out of the Cards line-up and put Craig in his place, and compare the two teams. As a Cardinals fan, I wish it wasn't true, but the Cardinals line-up is very pedestrian without Pujols.

The Reds could handle a week, MAYBE two without Votto. But long term, no way. I don't think it'd be the worst offense in the majors, but it surely wouldn't be good enough to capture a division crown. Hopefully neither team has to find out the answer to this questiond own the stretch :thumbup:.

Cicero
08-27-2010, 08:28 AM
I hope the Reds can beat the teams they are supposed to beat. If the Pirates are beating the Cards, you can be sure they aren't going to be scared of the Reds.

They have been beating those teams all season. With the exception of the nationals series there isn't much to complain about in that area.

HokieRed
08-27-2010, 08:33 AM
The Reds would not win without Votto.

Look back to what happened last year in June when Votto went out. Heck, Dusty said as much.

Alonso's now a year older; that would make a difference.

Screwball
08-27-2010, 08:45 AM
You really don't think so? The Reds have a good team even without Votto. Of course, Votto makes the team better, but the Reds are still a good hitting team without Votto. Take Pujols out of the Cards line-up and put Craig in his place, and compare the two teams. As a Cardinals fan, I wish it wasn't true, but the Cardinals line-up is very pedestrian without Pujols.

I see what's goin' on here. You're saying Pujols is a More Valuable Player to his team than Votto to his. Clever Matty, clever. ;)

PuffyPig
08-27-2010, 09:57 AM
The Cardinals just can't beat the teams they are supposed to beat. They beat teams like the Reds and Giants, but then have problems with the Pirates and Nationals? That just doesn't make much sense.

Small sample sizes in baseball are meaningless.

And I disagree thae Card are supposed to beat those teams. You need to earn wins in the MLB.

The Pirates, Astros and Nats all win more games at home than the Cards do on the road. So, it was actually more likely that the Pirates would win 2/3 than the Cards. Even Wainwright is close to a .500 pitcher on the road.

PuffyPig
08-27-2010, 10:02 AM
Amazing turn of events in the past 30 hours. Let's play the should have game. The Giants should have beat the Reds after taking the lead 11-10.

You'll never convince me that the Giants should have won that game.

The Giants BAPIP about .420 that game, the Reds a more normal .300.

The Reds pitchers struck out 10 guys, and gave up 2 walks and 1 HR.

The Reds had 6 walks, 1 HBP and 4 HR's. To score 11 runs when you didn't have a huge BABIP is rare.

The Giants made 5 errors. The Giants had horseshoes up their collective butts to even make it close.

But some how the Giants are entitled to their 6 runs in the 8th but we shouldn't be allowed to score 1 in the 9th to tie?

Roy Tucker
08-27-2010, 10:09 AM
Baseball is a funny game. Coulda's and shoulda's and woulda's don't count. As the old saying goes, "I don't care how, just how many".

Projections of who should win what games are fun to do, but every time I see this exercise getting carried out, I get a chill up my spine like someone stepped on my grave.

The gods of baseball frown upon such activities and often capriciously punish the offenders.

MattyHo4Life
08-27-2010, 10:09 AM
And I disagree thae Card are supposed to beat those teams. You need to earn wins in the MLB.

Well, then we wll just have to agree to dsagree. I just think that it's pathetic that a team in contention for a playoff spot can't even beat the Pirates. If you can't beat the Pirates, then thee isn't much hope.

kaldaniels
08-27-2010, 10:12 AM
You'll never convince me that the Giants should have won that game.

The Giants BAPIP about .420 that game, the Reds a more normal .300.

The Reds pitchers struck out 10 guys, and gave up 2 walks and 1 HR.

The Reds had 6 walks, 1 HBP and 4 HR's. To score 11 runs when you didn't have a huge BABIP is rare.

The Giants made 5 errors. The Giants had horseshoes up their collective butts to even make it close.

But some how the Giants are entitled to their 6 runs in the 8th but we shouldn't be allowed to score 1 in the 9th to tie?

So if you were playing with a substantial amount of money with even odds...you would have put it on the Reds going into the top of the 9th down one having just gave up a 9 run lead?

Screwball
08-27-2010, 10:13 AM
Baseball is a funny game. Coulda's and shoulda's and woulda's don't count. As the old saying goes, "I don't care how, just how many".


An old golf pro once told me after I got done complaining about my round, "If you should have, you would have."

Patrick Bateman
08-27-2010, 10:19 AM
Well, then we wll just have to agree to dsagree. I just think that it's pathetic that a team in contention for a playoff spot can't even beat the Pirates. If you can't beat the Pirates, then thee isn't much hope.

Well that's baseball. Even the best teams only win 60% of their games.

40% is a pretty good chunk,and in 3 games anything can happen. The Cards just aren't that good that they can beat any team that consistently. It's probably nothing more than randomness that they shelled the Reds but couldnt keep up with the Bucs.

medford
08-27-2010, 04:30 PM
Pujols & Holliday in the lineup, batting 3/4 for the Cards tonight, fwiw. guess they're not too injuried.

PuffyPig
08-27-2010, 05:25 PM
So if you were playing with a substantial amount of money with even odds...you would have put it on the Reds going into the top of the 9th down one having just gave up a 9 run lead?

What does that have to do with it?

What odda would you have given the Giants comiong back from a 10-1 deficit?

Just because the Giants were in a good position for one inning, that suddenly trumps the fact the Reds had huge odds to win for 8 innings.

That game was a game the Reds should have, deserved to, and did win. They did everything better than the Giants that teams have the most control over, HR's, walks, K's and errors. The Giants BABIP'ed themselves into an opportunity to win, then gased it.

Hoe you come up with the Reds somehow being lucky to win is beyond me.

If the Giants should have held onto a 11-10 lead in the 9th, shouldn't the Reds have been able to hold onto a 10-5 lead in the 8th, or a 10-1 lead in the 5th?

PuffyPig
08-27-2010, 05:27 PM
Well, then we wll just have to agree to dsagree. I just think that it's pathetic that a team in contention for a playoff spot can't even beat the Pirates. If you can't beat the Pirates, then thee isn't much hope.

Even though the Pirates statistically wins more games at home that the Cards do on the road. That should tell you the Card's problem right there. They lose 2 out of 3 to the Pirates and it doesn't even defy the odds.

MattyHo4Life
08-27-2010, 06:18 PM
Even though the Pirates statistically wins more games at home that the Cards do on the road. That should tell you the Card's problem right there. They lose 2 out of 3 to the Pirates and it doesn't even defy the odds.

It shouldn't matter if you are at home or on the road. If you are a team that wants to get into the playoffs, then you need to win those games.

MattyHo4Life
08-27-2010, 06:19 PM
Pujols & Holliday in the lineup, batting 3/4 for the Cards tonight, fwiw. guess they're not too injuried.

Holliday said in an interview last night that he thought he would be fine because of where the ball hit him. Pujols probably should have come out of the game last night and he probably shouldn't be playing today. He is more hurt than he lets on, but that isn't the type of player he is. I don't know how many times he has been on the DL in his career, but I know it isn't very often. I dont even remember the last time he was on the dl.

PuffyPig
08-27-2010, 06:22 PM
It shouldn't matter if you are at home or on the road. If you are a team that wants to get into the playoffs, then you need to win those games.

I agree but the Cards have been poor on the road all year.

You aren't talking about a great team suddenly slumping on the road.

We are talking about a slightly above average team, who generally loses more on the raod than they win, even to really bad teams.

PuffyPig
08-27-2010, 06:24 PM
Holliday said in an interview last night that he thought he would be fine because of where the ball hit him. Pujols probably should have come out of the game last night and he probably shouldn't be playing today. He is more hurt than he lets on, but that isn't the type of player he is. I don't know how many times he has been on the DL in his career, but I know it isn't very often. I dont even remember the last time he was on the dl.

I don't doubt Pujols is injured.

I also don't doubt we may never know, as his play won't suffer much, if at all.

I think Pujols may be the toughest player in any sport.

reds44
08-27-2010, 06:24 PM
I don't doubt Pujols is injured.

I also don't doubt we may never know, as his play won't suffer much, if at all.

I think Pujols may be the toughest player in any sport.
That would be Kobe Bryant.

RedsMan3203
08-27-2010, 06:28 PM
I don't doubt Pujols is injured.

I also don't doubt we may never know, as his play won't suffer much, if at all.

I think Pujols may be the toughest player in any sport.


That would be Kobe Bryant.

Pure baseball here... (Not taking into account he is on the "other" team)

Pujols is one heck of a player - no if, ands or butts about it... Day in and Day out he is out there and playing... Doesn't matter if his knee or elbow are shot he is grinding it out.. And in this day and age (Manny) I like to see that...

I didn't doubt he'd be back in tonight, in the 3 hole playing 1st.

I would put them both in a tie. 1A) Kobe 1B) Pujols - Two different sports/demands...

SirFelixCat
08-27-2010, 06:32 PM
Pujols & Holliday in the lineup, batting 3/4 for the Cards tonight, fwiw. guess they're not too injuried.

Me thinks that 27 games in 28 days is going to run that team into the ground. Pujols is already banged up. That's a pretty brutal stretch they have.:thumbup:

Homer Bailey
08-27-2010, 06:46 PM
That would be Kobe Bryant.

Oh Dear God.

The Voice of IH
08-27-2010, 07:04 PM
I don't doubt Pujols is injured.

I also don't doubt we may never know, as his play won't suffer much, if at all.

I think Pujols may be the toughest player in any sport.

Are you kidding me? it is Paul Perice Easy! he was in a Wheel Chair! :beerme:

Tornon
08-27-2010, 10:00 PM
Heart of the lineup due up for the Nats in the bottom of the 9th down 4-1 with Ryan Franklin taking the mound

Tornon
08-27-2010, 10:01 PM
Desmond with a leadoff double.. 1 more baserunner to get the tying run to the plate

Tornon
08-27-2010, 10:04 PM
Zimmerman flies to deep center.. 1 out

Tornon
08-27-2010, 10:05 PM
Wild pitch makes it 4-2.. still need another baserunner

Tornon
08-27-2010, 10:07 PM
Dunner Ks.. 2 down. Morse up, but if he gets on, last night's hero (Bernadina) will be the tying run

membengal
08-27-2010, 10:08 PM
Carpenter and Knight livid that Morgan got picked off first last inning right before Harris homered. They have a point, pretty bad baseball to give an out away down four runs.

Otherwise, tying run would have been at the plate this inning.

Nats left the bases full three seperate times in the first six innings without scoring a run.. Suffice it to say, they've had their chances in this one.

Tornon
08-27-2010, 10:08 PM
Morse triples off the wall.. Bernadina is up with the tying run...

REDblooded
08-27-2010, 10:09 PM
The way this Cardinals team is put together... If Pujols and Holliday aren't doing their damage with the benefit of runners getting on base ahead of them, they will struggle in any game not pitched by Carp, Wainwright, and Garcia...

If you remove Pujols and Holliday, their bats are average only if you're being generous...

Trading Ludwick for Westbrook was a horrible move that reeked of desperation.

membengal
08-27-2010, 10:10 PM
If Berhadina wants to tie the game again tonite off of Franklin, I would be okay with that.

Tornon
08-27-2010, 10:12 PM
Bernadina walks.. tying runs on base, Pudge is the winning run at the plate

Gallen5862
08-27-2010, 10:13 PM
Lets go Nats.

Tornon
08-27-2010, 10:15 PM
Pudge grounds out.. Cards win, nice try Nats.

VR
08-27-2010, 10:16 PM
18 baserunners.....2 runs. Pffffft.

SirFelixCat
08-27-2010, 10:18 PM
Any day we don't lose any ground in the standings is one day closer to October baseball! :thumbup:

PuffyPig
08-27-2010, 10:22 PM
If you remove Pujols and Holliday, their bats are average only if you're being generous...



With Pujols and Holliday they are average.

Without them, they would likely have the worst lineup in baseball.

Orenda
08-27-2010, 10:24 PM
Any day we don't lose any ground in the standings is one day closer to October baseball! :thumbup:

agreed.

Garcia went 5.1 innings also so the cardinals bullpen was worked a little. Tonight the FSO crew pointed out that the cards will have a span where they play 30 games in 30 days. I'm sure they were hoping to get by this series without taxing their bullpen. It should be interesting to see how their arms hold up.

Brutus
08-27-2010, 11:42 PM
Arizona leads San Francisco 4-0 through 5 innings in the bay area (I guess the BABIP monster had other parks to visit).

San Diego and Philadelphia are locked up in a 1-1 tie through 7.

Atlanta already lost tonight 7-1 to Florida.

OnBaseMachine
08-28-2010, 01:04 AM
With the Braves loss, the Reds now have the second best record in the National League behind the Padres.

Speaking of the Padres, they're tied with the Phillies at 2-2 in the 10th inning in San Diego.

Giants lost to the DBacks, 6-0.

Tornon
08-28-2010, 01:31 AM
The Padres tied the Phillies with a run in the bottom of the 9th with a 2 out bases loaded balk by Brad Lidge who then retired the next hitter.. I can't wait to see that in the highlights

Brutus
08-28-2010, 02:05 AM
Phillies won in 12. The Reds are within a couple of games of the league's best record.

fearofpopvol1
08-28-2010, 03:14 PM
I posted this in the playoff odds thread, but it's obviously relevant here as well.

I think the one thing that can't be overlooked is the series the Reds have with the Cards. The Reds currently have a 4 game lead, which sounds pretty good. However, the Cards did sweep the Reds the last series and the cards are 10-5 against the Reds on the year. If the Cards were to sweep the Reds in this upcoming series (clearly not out of the realm of possibility), that gives the Reds a meager 1 game advantage over them assuming the Reds hold on to the 4 game advantage going into the series (also not a guarantee). Of course, the Reds could sweep the Cards and really put them out of the race too, although I think that's unlikely.

Obviously, the Cards have a tough road after the Reds series with their 30 games in a row to play, but that series with the Cards is huge. The Cards can make up a LOT of ground fast.

Screwball
08-28-2010, 04:51 PM
It all depends on the pitching matchups, fop. If the Cards throw Wainwright, Carp and Garcia at us then yeah, they have a chance to sweep. Otherwise they're in serious trouble, IMO.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2010, 05:02 PM
It all depends on the pitching matchups, fop. If the Cards throw Wainwright, Carp and Garcia at us then yeah, they have a chance to sweep. Otherwise they're in serious trouble, IMO.

And they don't have a lot of wiggle room with arranging their pitching rotation anymore either. There aren't many off days to give any guys extra rest or move them around to put them where they want them. It should be interesting to see how it all works out. Personally, I think the Reds are going to play MUCH better in this series than they did last time. They really beat themselves for the most part last time. :eek:

Homer Bailey
08-28-2010, 05:12 PM
If they don't rearrange, it'll be Lohse, Wainwright, Westbrook. I would bet that Carp will go on 3 days rest for the Sunday game, or they move him up for one of the Houston games, and he goes on 4 days rest vs. the Reds.

OnBaseMachine
08-29-2010, 12:18 AM
The Cardinals have rearranged their rotation to where Garcia, Carpenter, and Wainwright will face the Reds.

Huge thanks to the Nationals tonight for helping the Reds remain four games above the Cardinals. Randy Wells is the new Reds killer. He's far from special but it seems like he's always on top of his game against the Reds.

RedsMan3203
08-29-2010, 12:29 AM
The Cardinals have rearranged their rotation to where Garcia, Carpenter, and Wainwright will face the Reds.

Huge thanks to the Nationals tonight for helping the Reds remain four games above the Cardinals. Randy Wells is the new Reds killer. He's far from special but it seems like he's always on top of his game against the Reds.

And the Reds will keep with status quo....

I'd like to see rotation that series of Arroyo, Cueto and Wood/Bailey. The Reds have the room in September to get that done... LeCure, Maloney, Harang, Volkie can all spot start to get everyone back on normal rest.

Homer Bailey
08-29-2010, 12:53 AM
The Cardinals have rearranged their rotation to where Garcia, Carpenter, and Wainwright will face the Reds.

Huge thanks to the Nationals tonight for helping the Reds remain four games above the Cardinals. Randy Wells is the new Reds killer. He's far from special but it seems like he's always on top of his game against the Reds.

Not that I don't believe you, but is this confirmed somewhere?

OnBaseMachine
08-29-2010, 12:55 AM
Not that I don't believe you, but is this confirmed somewhere?


Suppan's start will bump back Jaime Garcia, who had been scheduled to pitch that game. Instead, Garcia will pitch Friday's series opener at home against the Reds, followed by Adam Wainwright and Chris Carpenter over the weekend. After starting this coming Monday, Jake Westbrook will be pushed back to the beginning of the following road trip on Sept. 6 against the Brewers at Miller Park.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100828&content_id=14034842&notebook_id=14034844&vkey=notebook_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

Homer Bailey
08-29-2010, 12:58 AM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100828&content_id=14034842&notebook_id=14034844&vkey=notebook_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

Well.... that's not good news. Really, really not good news.

HeatherC1212
08-29-2010, 01:03 AM
Let's hope the Reds do their homework from earlier games and that seeing those three guys again for like the millionth time this season backfires on the Cards. :thumbup:

sabometrics
08-29-2010, 01:42 AM
I hope Suppan gets rocked and they have to burn their entire bullpen. So tired of seeing the same three guys every time we face that team.

The Operator
08-29-2010, 02:59 AM
The Reds can get to Jaime "Houdini" Garcia, if they're smart about it. He's been getting so incredibly lucky in stranding baserunners it's ridiculous. Just look at his last start. 12 runners in 5.1 IP and not a single run allowed. Let's hope The Reds are the recipient of some divine intervention of the Luck Gods.

And it's about time they beat one of the Carpenter/Wainwright duo. Frankly, I'd be as giddy as a schoolgirl if they rocked Carpenter for about 657 runs. But that's just me.

fearofpopvol1
08-29-2010, 06:16 AM
Well.... that's not good news. Really, really not good news.

It's not surprising. I figured it was coming. The Cardinals could essentially make up all the ground they have lost if they sweep the Reds like they did a few weeks ago.

I do expect that the rotation will be shuffled some to make sure the Reds have the best chance possible to win. I expect Cueto and Arroyo to pitch and then 1 of Wood/Bailey. Cueto is the only guy they would need the shuffle around. Arroyo and Wood are already be slated to pitch during that series. Plus, the Reds have Thursday off so it can be done. Bailey would be the other schedule starter. Arroyo/Wood/Bailey could be solid, even without Cueto. Besides that, the Reds have a tough 4 game series in Colorado immediately following the series with the Cardinals. That's going to be very tough.

MattyHo4Life
08-29-2010, 08:31 AM
People talk about how the Cardinals play. What about Nigel Morgan showed during the Cards/Nationals game last night. He runs into the Cards catcher for absolutely no reason. That just wasn't necessary.

MattyHo4Life
08-29-2010, 08:38 AM
The Reds can get to Jaime "Houdini" Garcia, if they're smart about it. He's been getting so incredibly lucky in stranding baserunners it's ridiculous. Just look at his last start. 12 runners in 5.1 IP and not a single run allowed.

Of course you only focus on his last start and not the start before that. The one that Garcia pitched 9 shutout innings and only 3 hits and no walks against the Giants. Garcia faced just one batter over the minimum and only threw 89 pitches the entire game. You don't get a 2.42 ERA heading into September by just being lucky.

membengal
08-29-2010, 08:39 AM
People talk about how the Cardinals play. What about Nigel Morgan showed during the Cards/Nationals game last night. He runs into the Cards catcher for absolutely no reason. That just wasn't necessary.

Whining about something that happened to the Cards, Matty?

BuckeyeRedleg
08-29-2010, 08:42 AM
Maybe it's the Cards behavior in the past that lead to instances such as last night (with Morgan).

membengal
08-29-2010, 08:44 AM
Maybe it's the Cards behavior in the past that lead to instances such as last night (with Morgan).

That thought certainly does cross the mind, buckeye...

MattyHo4Life
08-29-2010, 08:50 AM
Maybe it's the Cards behavior in the past that lead to instances such as last night (with Morgan).

What did the Cards do to Morgan or any of his teams?

oneupper
08-29-2010, 08:53 AM
What did the Cards do to Morgan or any of his teams?

Dunno. But for a meaningless series (for them), the Nats have appeared be very pumped up against St. Louis.

Any old scores to settle?

MattyHo4Life
08-29-2010, 09:22 AM
Dunno. But for a meaningless series (for them), the Nats have appeared be very pumped up against St. Louis.

Any old scores to settle?

Isn't that how most teams at the bottom of the standings are against the teams that have playoff hopes? I mean seriously...teams like the Nats and Astros want to be the spoilers. The Cards don't play the Nats much, and most of these players are young. The Nats manager is a long time player and Manager in the Cards minor league system. He is really close to a lot of the younger Cards players. Just because BP and the Reds hate the Cards, doesn't mean that other teams like the Nats feel the same way.

Homer Bailey
08-29-2010, 09:24 AM
Of course you only focus on his last start and not the start before that. The one that Garcia pitched 9 shutout innings and only 3 hits and no walks against the Giants. Garcia faced just one batter over the minimum and only threw 89 pitches the entire game. You don't get a 2.42 ERA heading into September by just being lucky.

When you're ERA is a run lower than your FIP, then yeah, you get to September with a 2.42 ERA by being lucky.

membengal
08-29-2010, 09:25 AM
Isn't that how most teams at the bottom of the standings are against the teams that have playoff hopes? I mean seriously...teams like the Nats and Astros want to be the spoilers. The Cards don't play the Nats much, and most of these players are young. The Nats manager is a long time player and Manager in the Cards minor league system. He is really close to a lot of the younger Cards players. Just because BP and the Reds hate the Cards, doesn't mean that other teams like the Nats feel the same way.

I guess. You can keep telling yourself that, but from what I have read, there is a lot of enmity built up toward your manager, at the least, and toward Carpenter, at least, by some clubs and fanbases far flung from the NL Central.

PuffyPig
08-29-2010, 09:28 AM
Of course you only focus on his last start and not the start before that. The one that Garcia pitched 9 shutout innings and only 3 hits and no walks against the Giants. Garcia faced just one batter over the minimum and only threw 89 pitches the entire game. You don't get a 2.42 ERA heading into September by just being lucky.

You are correct that his game against the Giants was great.

But his FIP is 3.34 and his xFIP is 3.74 so while he has pitched well, he has been very lucky. The 77.3% LOB % wasn't stay there forever, nor will that 6.4% HR/FB rate.

PuffyPig
08-29-2010, 09:31 AM
Isn't that how most teams at the bottom of the standings are against the teams that have playoff hopes? I mean seriously...teams like the Nats and Astros want to be the spoilers. The Cards don't play the Nats much, and most of these players are young. The Nats manager is a long time player and Manager in the Cards minor league system. He is really close to a lot of the younger Cards players. Just because BP and the Reds hate the Cards, doesn't mean that other teams like the Nats feel the same way.

I think most teams in the NL would rather the Reds win than the Cards.

The Cards are perrenial contenders with a payroll higher than most teams in the NL, while the Reds haven't been in the playoffs since 1995, and have a payroll in the lower third of the league.

Given their choice, most teams consider themselves more like the Reds.

MattyHo4Life
08-29-2010, 09:57 AM
I guess. You can keep telling yourself that, but from what I have read, there is a lot of enmity built up toward your manager, at the least, and toward Carpenter, at least, by some clubs and fanbases far flung from the NL Central.

Do you have any links?

MattyHo4Life
08-29-2010, 09:58 AM
I think most teams in the NL would rather the Reds win than the Cards.

The Cards are perrenial contenders with a payroll higher than most teams in the NL, while the Reds haven't been in the playoffs since 1995, and have a payroll in the lower third of the league.

Given their choice, most teams consider themselves more like the Reds.

Whoah Puffy... you actually said something that I agree with 100%. Are you ok? lol

America has always loved the underdog... just like Rocky!

nate
08-29-2010, 10:01 AM
When you're ERA is a run lower than your FIP, then yeah, you get to September with a 2.42 ERA by being lucky.

Well...defense, home park and hit tendencies play a part in that too.

membengal
08-29-2010, 10:07 AM
Do you have any links?

Colorado is a good place to start.

And you are fooling yourself if you think Larussa is not borderline despised in other clubhouses. Is it far-fetched that former Cub manager Riggleman (and then bench coach in LA after that) takes some pleasure in making sure his team is ready for Larussa?

Um, no.

Larussa clearly is a good baseball manager. He's also a colossal jerk. His "gamesmenship" doesn't wear well in a lot of clubhouses. I think you are fooling yourself (like most Cards fans, frankly) who think their team is somehow beloved and respected around baseball for "playing the game the right way".

I find the Cards and their fans officious jerks for the most part. And take a lot of cues from their manager.

Scrap Irony
08-29-2010, 10:19 AM
Yeah, around the league and other team's message boards, both TLR and Carpenter are almost universally despised. Pujols is respected for the most part, though the glaring and posturing after being thrown strikes on the inside part of the plate is noted. Wainwright seems to be their only "good" player that people like.

Contrast that with Cincinnati, where Scott Rolen, Cabrera (late career), Votto, and lunchpail guys like Cairo are respected around the league.

Chip R
08-29-2010, 10:21 AM
People talk about how the Cardinals play. What about Nigel Morgan showed during the Cards/Nationals game last night. He runs into the Cards catcher for absolutely no reason. That just wasn't necessary.

It's not your job to be as confused as Nyjer. ;)

MattyHo4Life
08-29-2010, 10:43 AM
Yeah, around the league and other team's message boards, both TLR and Carpenter are almost universally despised. Pujols is respected for the most part, though the glaring and posturing after being thrown strikes on the inside part of the plate is noted. Wainwright seems to be their only "good" player that people like.

Contrast that with Cincinnati, where Scott Rolen, Cabrera (late career), Votto, and lunchpail guys like Cairo are respected around the league.

2 of those 4 players are former Cards players. Haven't they been tainted by LaRussa? Why is it that the Cards were horrible when those two players were Cardinals, but now they are the Reason the Reds are so loved. Did I ever say that LaRussa and Carpenter weren't despised by other clubs? I never said that. Do I think the Cards catcher ever did anything to deserve what happened last night? Nope...I don't think so.

membengal
08-29-2010, 10:51 AM
Why are you whining about how the Cards were treated by the Nats on a Reds board? Is there some kind of whining boot camp that Cards fans go to nowadays to learn this stuff?

BCubb2003
08-29-2010, 10:55 AM
There's so much crossover, it's like a sibling rivalry and the Reds are tired of being the little brother. I wouldn't be surprised that, if the Reds start winning pennants, they get on other teams' nerves too. Votto arguing balls and strikes, Brandon's mouth, Cueto and Volquez. Heck they get on our nerves too sometimes. The Big Red Machine probably annoyed other teams' fans for a long time. The 1990 team kind of snuck up on people, though, and the A's were the big bad egos anyway.

And besides, Reds fans really only hate the Cubs fans.

membengal
08-29-2010, 10:56 AM
There's so much crossover, it's like a sibling rivalry and the Reds are tired of being the little brother. I wouldn't be surprised that, if the Reds start winning pennants, they get on other teams' nerves too. Votto arguing balls and strikes, Brandon's mouth, Cueto and Volquez. Heck they get on our nerves too sometimes. The Big Red Machine probably annoyed other teams' fans for a long time. The 1990 team kind of snuck up on people, though, and the A's were the big bad egos anyway.

And besides, Reds fans really only hate the Cubs fans.

100% untrue. Try living in Memphis amongst Cardinals fans for a decade.

MattyHo4Life
08-29-2010, 11:04 AM
Why are you whining about how the Cards were treated by the Nats on a Reds board? Is there some kind of whining boot camp that Cards fans go to nowadays to learn this stuff?

It's not the Nats...it's one player. I can only imagine the comments you would make if a Cardinals player did the same thing. I'm just trying to point out the bias. Nothing wrong with it if you admit it. We are all bias towards our own team, but there are extremes. For example...I've admitted many times that Carpenter and LaRussa aren't liked by other fans. I don't agree with everything they do or say. If you read my posts, you would know that.

membengal
08-29-2010, 11:16 AM
I guess.

I just don't know what kind of sympathy you are expecting from a Reds board for how a Cardinals player was treated in a Nats game.

I certainly wouldn't wander onto a Cards forum at this point to complain about that bad check swing call on Votto last night, for instance.

I don't think that particular audience would be all that receptive.

I just think you are massively fooling yourself if you think other clubs feel neutral in any fashion toward the Cardinals. 1. They've won. A lot. Teams and fans get tired of that. 2. Larussa is a giant jerk. Teams and fans get tired of that. 3. The "whining" thing kinda fits. Other teams and fans get tired of that.

You should be proud that your team gets that kind of enmity, frankly, it comes with winning. But do I care that a random Nat was mean to the back-up Cardinal catcher? No. Not even a little. And do I find it strange that said random Nat would be mean to the back-up Cardinal catcher? No. Not against a team run by Larussa.

Phhhl
08-29-2010, 11:27 AM
The Cardinals are especially annoying, so I can see why teams load up emotionally to play them and do things like the Morgan incident last night. As much as I respect Albert, his posing after every home run ball he hits is annoying. Their manager's habit of marginalising every team that ever beat him in a world series is insulting. You would think a guy like Chris Carpenter would be humble and grateful to have such a successful career after his arm never fell off twice, but he is demonstrably one of the biggest jerks in all of sports. Matt Holliday is just making wayyyy too much money for what he does, and that is annoying. St. Louis has a very proud history and is a great baseball town. But, as successful as they have been under LaRussa on the field, it's not the city's brightest era in terms of class.

MattyHo4Life
08-29-2010, 12:13 PM
I guess.

I just don't know what kind of sympathy you are expecting from a Reds board for how a Cardinals player was treated in a Nats game.

I certainly wouldn't wander onto a Cards forum at this point to complain about that bad check swing call on Votto last night, for instance.


I guess it's because in the last 8 years that I've been posting here, it has seemed like a lot more than just a Reds board. There are a lot of friendly and very knowledgeable baseball fans that respect the game. Bad calls from umpires happen all the time. Did I say anything about a bad call? nope! Now if a Cubs player intentionally ran into Votto while he was running to first base for no reason at all, then I'd be interested in it as well, and not happy about it. That type of thing doesn't belong in baseball IMO. Perhaps you don't mind that type of thing, but I bet you would if it happened to a Reds player. I may be a Cardinals fan, but I am a baseball fan first and foremost.

Homer Bailey
08-29-2010, 12:19 PM
I thought it was pretty clear that Morgan did it because he thought there was going to be a play at the plate? Of course he looked silly afterward because there was no throw, but it's not like he did it on a home run.

VR
08-29-2010, 12:22 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=11487843&query=%26game_pk%3D265747

Matty...I understand in the heat of the moment how that might look. In review...Anderson had his foot on the plate....Morgan was prepared for a collision, and Anderson pulled his foot back at the last possible 1/2 second when he waw the ball wasn't coming.....and Morgan backed off the 'collision', but still made soft contact.

If the Cards take some big offense to this, well, nevermind.

MattyHo4Life
08-29-2010, 12:25 PM
I thought it was pretty clear that Morgan did it because he thought there was going to be a play at the plate? Of course he looked silly afterward because there was no throw, but it's not like he did it on a home run.

It sure didn't look that way. Anderson took a step towards the pitching mound so he would be out of the way. So Morgan had to go out of his way to hit him. Morgan didn't even touch the plate because Anderson wasn't in front of home plate, he was next to it.

MattyHo4Life
08-29-2010, 12:27 PM
Morgan backed off the 'collision', but still made soft contact.

It looked bad because he didn't even touch the plate, because he went out of the way to hit the catcher.

VR
08-29-2010, 12:31 PM
It looked bad because he didn't even touch the plate, because he went out of the way to hit the catcher.

Right....because Anderson set it up as needing to have a collision by blocking the plate. Once he moved, and Morgan backed off.....it was too late to focus on touching the plate.

RedsMan3203
08-29-2010, 12:37 PM
I can't believe this has taken up like a page on this thread... Really? REALLY? I watched the highlights of the game and saw it and didn't even think anything of it.

Btw - I love to watch the highlights of games when the Cards lose. It's just natural!

P.S. Really, still talking about Morgan trying to run into the catcher? REALLY?!?!

Homer Bailey
08-29-2010, 12:40 PM
I can't believe this has taken up like a page on this thread... Really? REALLY? I watched the highlights of the game and saw it and didn't even think anything of it.

Btw - I love to watch the highlights of games when the Cards lose. It's just natural!

P.S. Really, still talking about Morgan trying to run into the catcher? REALLY?!?!

Why are you 1% surprised at Cardinals complaining?:)

oneupper
08-29-2010, 12:49 PM
I'm going to agree with MattyMo on the Morgan/Anderson encounter.

Looks like Morgan had his mind set on a collision and went out of his way to make it happen. In the end it wasn't much of one (hardly worth a cheap shot call) and cost his team a run.

I'm thinking that other teams are having fun baiting the Cards into "whine mode", and even more fun when they beat them. Sure beats emotionlessly playing out the season.

MattyHo4Life
08-29-2010, 01:03 PM
Right....because Anderson set it up as needing to have a collision by blocking the plate. Once he moved, and Morgan backed off.....it was too late to focus on touching the plate.

VR,

I appreciate your discussion instead of wearing blinders and stating "I hate the Cardinals, I hate the Cardinals..."

I can imagine what this board would look like if it happened to a Reds player. I'd like to think that my response would be exactly the same. At least I hope it would. lol

membengal
08-29-2010, 01:05 PM
You are mixing up "I hate the Cardinals" with "I don't care about one small play in a game where the Cardinals got destroyed by the Nats".

Again, if this were a Cardinals board, I can see where that would be of interest.

Since it's not...well, it just comes off as whining. Oh noes! Someone was mean to a Cardinal? How awful! Didn't Morgan get the memo that the Cardinals "play the game the right way" and have the "best fans in baseball"? How dare he!

Scrap Irony
08-29-2010, 01:22 PM
I'm going to agree with MattyMo on the Morgan/Anderson encounter.

Looks like Morgan had his mind set on a collision and went out of his way to make it happen. In the end it wasn't much of one (hardly worth a cheap shot call) and cost his team a run.

I'm thinking that other teams are having fun baiting the Cards into "whine mode", and even more fun when they beat them. Sure beats emotionlessly playing out the season.

Morgan had his mind set on a collision because Andersen gave him no choice by blocking the plate. It's incredibly difficult to change mindset and plans that close to the play and anyone that complains about it is, frankly, a bit of a homer or looking for reasons why other teams may "hate" their team.

At the end, Morgan changed tack an it was a fairly innocuous "collision" worthy of little more than a comment only on homer-friendly boards.

Which this isn't. (In fact, it's just the opposite.)

As to the former Cardinals, Rolen became ROLEN in part because of his struggles with towing the TLR line. Too, like Wainwright, he's a stand-up guy who takes his share of the blame for team struggles.

The next time Carpenter or TLR take any blame for any loss will be the first. LaRussa and Carpenter are pretty universally villified for this exact character defect. Pujols has become a whiner and poses after dingers. (It's the same thing many on here have a hard time with Brandon Phillips for, BTW, though Phillips adds the occasional gaffe with hustle and foot-in-mouth disease.) Rasmus already has a history of blaming others.

Add in the officious jerks who insist Cardinal Nation and all things St. Louis are correct and is there any wonder why other fans find it difficult to root for the Cardinals (or even take their side in an argument)?

fearofpopvol1
08-29-2010, 02:56 PM
The Cardinals are especially annoying, so I can see why teams load up emotionally to play them and do things like the Morgan incident last night. As much as I respect Albert, his posing after every home run ball he hits is annoying. Their manager's habit of marginalising every team that ever beat him in a world series is insulting. You would think a guy like Chris Carpenter would be humble and grateful to have such a successful career after his arm never fell off twice, but he is demonstrably one of the biggest jerks in all of sports. Matt Holliday is just making wayyyy too much money for what he does, and that is annoying. St. Louis has a very proud history and is a great baseball town. But, as successful as they have been under LaRussa on the field, it's not the city's brightest era in terms of class.

:clap:

yab1112
08-29-2010, 04:08 PM
Personally, the constant whining about the whining bothers me more than the actual whining. ;)

Cyclone792
08-29-2010, 04:13 PM
To get this thread back on topic ...

Washington leads St. Louis 4-2 in the top of the 9th with one out. The Cards have scored once in the inning on a solo homerun by Feliz. Hopefully the Nats can finish it out.

The Marlins are beating the Braves 6-1 in the 8th inning. If Florida can hold on, the Reds will be one game ahead of the Braves.

Phillies and Padres just getting started; no score in the first.

The Rockies are trying to hang around in the wildcard chase, and they currently lead the Dodgers 2-0 in the 4th.

Cyclone792
08-29-2010, 04:13 PM
Two outs now in Washington with Molina up and nobody on. It's still 4-2 Nats.

Cyclone792
08-29-2010, 04:14 PM
Molina reaches on an error by Desmond at shortstop. Figures. Looks like Rasmus is hitting now.

Cyclone792
08-29-2010, 04:16 PM
Rasmus strikes out! Nats win! Reds up five games!

RBA
08-29-2010, 04:18 PM
Storen is going to be on the Cardinals whine list for showing some emotion in getting out batters.

Wheelhouse
08-29-2010, 04:18 PM
Super sweet. Colby "Sleeping giant" Rasmus whiffs as Reds pull out by 5.

membengal
08-29-2010, 04:19 PM
Storen is going to be on the Cardinals whine list for showing some emotion in getting out batters.

Did you catch Larussa's act to start the 9th?

Cyclone792
08-29-2010, 04:20 PM
Did you catch Larussa's act to start the 9th?

Fill me in, mem, I'm curious to hear about this.

membengal
08-29-2010, 04:24 PM
4-1 game, Storen in for the save.

First pitch goes behind Holliday.

Now, I can't imagine a scenario there where Storen is throwing at Holliday. Don't want to put runner on to start inning, etc. Plus, Storen is a rookie and learning to close, so yeah, one got away from him.

At any rate, Larussa came out and spent five minutes with the umps trying to get Storen thrown from the game, and kept at it until the umps warned both benches.

I guess the Larussa defenders will call that good gamesmanship, but I just can't imagine most any other manager pulling that.

What it did do was tick off the Nats crowd, who all of a sudden got as into that game as they could for the remainder of the inning.

I thought Storen did a good job working abound Larussa's shenanigans. He actually had to keep taking warm-up pitches to stay loose while Larussa carried on.

Cyclone792
08-29-2010, 04:30 PM
Sounds pretty typical for Tony. Frankly, not only do I want to see the Reds crush the Cardinals in the NL Central, I also don't even want the Cards in the playoffs period. Hopefully one of the teams from the NL East or NL West claims the wildcard and keeps St. Louis out altogether.

Brutus
08-29-2010, 04:32 PM
Sounds pretty typical for Tony. Frankly, not only do I want to see the Reds crush the Cardinals in the NL Central, I also don't even want the Cards in the playoffs period. Hopefully one of the teams from the NL East or NL West claims the wildcard and keeps St. Louis out altogether.

I am with you, although facing Halladay-Oswalt-Hamels isn't very enticing.

reds44
08-29-2010, 04:39 PM
I am with you, although facing Halladay-Oswalt-Hamels isn't very enticing.
This would be the best case for us:
West: Padres
Central: Reds
East: Braves
WC: Giants

The Phillies scare me the most, by far.

Cyclone792
08-29-2010, 04:39 PM
I am with you, although facing Halladay-Oswalt-Hamels isn't very enticing.

That's just the playoffs; there won't be anymore doormats like the Cubs to kick around. If the Reds make it to the postseason, it's up to them to play well and give themselves a chance or an early exit may happen. Hopefully we see the former.

traderumor
08-29-2010, 04:40 PM
4-1 game, Storen in for the save.

First pitch goes behind Holliday.

Now, I can't imagine a scenario there where Storen is throwing at Holliday. Don't want to put runner on to start inning, etc. Plus, Storen is a rookie and learning to close, so yeah, one got away from him.

At any rate, Larussa came out and spent five minutes with the umps trying to get Storen thrown from the game, and kept at it until the umps warned both benches.

I guess the Larussa defenders will call that good gamesmanship, but I just can't imagine most any other manager pulling that.

What it did do was tick off the Nats crowd, who all of a sudden got as into that game as they could for the remainder of the inning.

I thought Storen did a good job working abound Larussa's shenanigans. He actually had to keep taking warm-up pitches to stay loose while Larussa carried on.Yea, there's a fine line between gamesmanship and poor sportsmanship, which if you remember how Crissy went on and on about that with Cueto, yet that is exactly what he and LaRussa practice regularly, esp. when they are struggling. Simply pathetic sore losers.

oneupper
08-29-2010, 04:42 PM
Matt Diaz ties the Braves game in the 9th with a HR. 6-6 with the Marlins.

Brutus
08-29-2010, 04:42 PM
That's just the playoffs; there won't be anymore doormats like the Cubs to kick around. If the Reds make it to the postseason, it's up to them to play well and give themselves a chance or an early exit may happen. Hopefully we see the former.

I know... but I guess my point is disdain for the Cardinals might have to take a back seat to maximizing the Reds' chances in the playoffs. They'll have to face tough pitching no matter who they play... but the Phillies arguably have the most of that.

fearofpopvol1
08-29-2010, 04:43 PM
This would be the best case for us:
West: Padres
Central: Reds
East: Braves
WC: Giants

The Phillies scare me the most, by far.

I agree 100% with this.

Cyclone792
08-29-2010, 04:43 PM
Just saw that, oneupper, and that's disappointing. I'm starting to get greedy, because not only do I want the postseason, but I want some home field too. If the Reds can finish with the second best NL record, they'd get some LDS home field.

Phillies and Padres still scoreless as are the Giants and Diamondbacks. Rockies have a 7-1 lead.

Cyclone792
08-29-2010, 04:47 PM
I know... but I guess my point is disdain for the Cardinals might have to take a back seat to maximizing the Reds' chances in the playoffs. They'll have to face tough pitching no matter who they play... but the Phillies arguably have the most of that.

If the Cardinals make the playoffs, all they'd do is send out Wainwright/Carpenter/Garcia. Westbrook might start too, but garbage such as Lohse and Hawksworth wouldn't be on the mound.

All the NL contenders have pieces that scare me, some a bit more than others. But the Reds would just have to play well regardless no matter who they're playing.

oneupper
08-29-2010, 04:48 PM
Braves win 7-6 McCann walk off HR

(they're reviewing the HR, but the video is conclusive)

Cyclone792
08-29-2010, 06:08 PM
Phillies are leading the Padres 4-0 in the 9th inning, and barring a San Diego comeback, the Phillies are about to sweep the Pads in San Diego. The good news is this lets the Reds creep closer to San Diego for best record in the NL. The bad news is the wildcard chase is keeping up with the Reds.

The Diamondbacks are making a 7th inning charge against the Giants. Justin Upton just blasted a two run double deep to the left center field gap, then moved to third on a wild pitch with one out in the inning. Giants are leading 5-4 at the moment.

The Rockies lead the Dodgers 8-3 in the 8th inning. One interesting note is Manny being Manny pinch hit earlier in the game with the bases loaded, took a borderline strike, then promptly got ejected for arguing that borderline strike.

11larkin11
08-29-2010, 06:11 PM
I am personally rooting for the Braves and Giants, as I want to do anything possible to keep Philly and St. Louis and their pitching staffs out of the postseason.

Cyclone792
08-29-2010, 06:19 PM
Adam LaRoche just hit a two run double in the top of the 7th to give Arizona a 6-5 lead over San Francisco.

Cyclone792
08-29-2010, 06:41 PM
The Giants/DBacks game is a bit wild. Giants score 3 in the bottom of the 7th to take an 8-6 lead, but the DBacks have picked up a run in top of the 8th to cut the lead down to 8-7.

Phillies finish off the Padres 5-0, and the Rockies just finished off the Dodgers 10-5.

11larkin11
08-29-2010, 07:35 PM
Oh gosh. You've heard of players not being in the lineup because of a bad matchup with the opposing pitcher? Well, Tony LaRussa is trying to start a new trend. He pulled Colby Rasmus from the starting lineup today because of his concern over "a matchup of Rasmus and plate umpire Rob Drake"

membengal
08-29-2010, 07:37 PM
Oh gosh. You've heard of players not being in the lineup because of a bad matchup with the opposing pitcher? Well, Tony LaRussa is trying to start a new trend. He pulled Colby Rasmus from the starting lineup today because of his concern over "a matchup of Rasmus and plate umpire Rob Drake"

Yup.

A few of cards forums are in a full blown meltdown over that particular reasoning.

TheNext44
08-29-2010, 07:40 PM
Just some more of La Russa....

According to ESPN, La Russa, after today's loss to the Nat's, said of Drew Storen's pitch to Matt Holliday, that either Storen was throwing at him, or that Storen doesn't have enough command to belong in the majors.

I really think he's gone off the deep end. If I were a Cardinal fan, I would not want him back next year, even if he takes the team to the World Series.

hebroncougar
08-29-2010, 07:59 PM
Just some more of La Russa....

According to ESPN, La Russa, after today's loss to the Nat's, said of Drew Storen's pitch to Matt Holliday, that either Storen was throwing at him, or that Storen doesn't have enough command to belong in the majors.

I really think he's gone off the deep end. If I were a Cardinal fan, I would not want him back next year, even if he takes the team to the World Series.

There was at article this week at a St. Louis site this week where the writer was saying Cards fans are going to be deprived of the joy of firing Larussa, because his contract is up at the end of the year.

HeatherC1212
08-29-2010, 10:36 PM
You know you're in a pennant race when you stick around after a Reds game at GABP to watch the Cards-Nats game that they put up on the big screen because you don't want to wait until you get home to find out the Reds standing in the NL Central. I may or may not have done that after the Reds game this afternoon and I definitely wasn't the only one still there, LOL :p: :lol:

CTA513
08-29-2010, 11:27 PM
Just some more of La Russa....

According to ESPN, La Russa, after today's loss to the Nat's, said of Drew Storen's pitch to Matt Holliday, that either Storen was throwing at him, or that Storen doesn't have enough command to belong in the majors.

I really think he's gone off the deep end. If I were a Cardinal fan, I would not want him back next year, even if he takes the team to the World Series.

My guess is a pitch got away from Storen just like pitches get away from every other pitcher.
LaRussa was pretty upset a few years ago when Harang hit one of the Cardinals backup catchers on accident.

CTA513
08-29-2010, 11:29 PM
Oh gosh. You've heard of players not being in the lineup because of a bad matchup with the opposing pitcher? Well, Tony LaRussa is trying to start a new trend. He pulled Colby Rasmus from the starting lineup today because of his concern over "a matchup of Rasmus and plate umpire Rob Drake"

I wonder how Rasmus feels about this.

:D

sabometrics
08-30-2010, 02:39 AM
From reports I heard, his reaction was shock and dismay.

membengal
08-30-2010, 05:53 AM
For those interested, Viva El Birdos is a very thoughtful and interesting Cards site/blog, and their take on the Larussa/Rasmus thing is a very good read:

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/8/29/1657569/post-game-thread-the-rasmus#storyjump

Part of what is driving them crazy is Larussa seems to be setting up a Jay vs. Rasmus dichotomy for playing time, when post-Ludwick trade, it seems to a lot of their fans that BOTH should be playing. Instead, old spring training friend Aaron Miles, for instance, appears to be getting run ahead of Rasmus. It's all complicated by whatever Rasmus' injury in the last 3 weeks has or has not been, but that is one unsettled clubhouse at the moment.

medford
08-30-2010, 10:10 AM
File this under the FWIW this morning, but I noticed this morning on sportscenter, rather than having the cards/reds highlights joined at the hip followed by the division standings, they had the Cards highlights paired up with the other wildcard contenders followed by the wild card standings.

I hope that highlight package trend stays that way the rest of the season.

HeatherC1212
08-30-2010, 10:36 AM
I didn't know where else to put this so I'm putting it here. File this one under the "Seriously??!" tag for really random comment that seems out of place to read from another team's player during a three game series. Really? Dusty is the only reason the Reds are winning this year?! After watching the Reds for the previous two season's of Dusty's time here, I don't think so Aramis. :confused: :eek:


"Dusty's a winner everywhere he goes," Ramirez said. "He went to the World Series in San Francisco. He went to the playoffs with us. I think he's going to the playoffs here in Cincinnati. They don't have that good of a ballclub, but he's getting the most out of everybody."

From the MLB.com story about yesterday's game: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100829&content_id=14065974&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

oneupper
08-30-2010, 10:51 AM
That was more a compliment to Dusty than a slam at the REDS talent.

I could certainly agree partially. Things have certainly fallen into place this year for the REDS. I'm just not sure Dusty deserves all the credit for that.

BTW Aramis could use a little kick in the behind, he hasn't looked very motivated recently. It's tough to play out the season like this one, particularly one that has been awful for him in terms of individual performance also. Cubs fans are getting on to him also. The Cubs are on the hook with him for $14.6 million for 2011 and a $2 million buyout for 2012 (or pay him $16 mm to play).

nate
08-30-2010, 11:07 AM
I didn't know where else to put this so I'm putting it here. File this one under the "Seriously??!" tag for really random comment that seems out of place to read from another team's player during a three game series. Really? Dusty is the only reason the Reds are winning this year?! After watching the Reds for the previous two season's of Dusty's time here, I don't think so Aramis. :confused: :eek:



From the MLB.com story about yesterday's game: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100829&content_id=14065974&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

That's quite something, Aramis.

This is easily the most talented ballclub the Reds have had in a decade.

fearofpopvol1
08-30-2010, 01:16 PM
Aramis should at least remember that “that not great of a ballclub” did beat his team at an almost .700 clip on the season.

OnBaseMachine
08-30-2010, 01:48 PM
Now that the Reds are finished with the Cubs this season, I'd like to see the Cubs play well in the final month. They still have six games remaining vs the Cardinals (3 at home, 3 on the road), 3 at home vs the Giants, and 4 at the Padres.

NDRed
08-30-2010, 01:48 PM
http://stlouis.sbnation.com/2010/8/30/1658048/top-five-tony-la-russa-clubhouse


From a Cards blog. Top 5 LaRussa clubhouse fueds.

traderumor
08-30-2010, 01:48 PM
Aramis should at least remember that “that not great of a ballclub” did beat his team at an almost .700 clip on the season.Did he not see all those guys speeding past his base last two times we were in Wrigley? Was Dusty behind them pushing? Seriously, something must have gotten lost in translation.

Brutus
08-31-2010, 12:14 AM
Reds & Braves now half a game back of San Diego for best record in the NL. San Diego 76-54 with Atlanta & Cincinnati 76-55.

Sea Ray
08-31-2010, 12:22 AM
http://stlouis.sbnation.com/2010/8/30/1658048/top-five-tony-la-russa-clubhouse


From a Cards blog. Top 5 LaRussa clubhouse fueds.

I figured Scott Rolen had to be one of them...

Plus Plus
08-31-2010, 12:28 AM
With a 3-0 loss by the Cardinals tonight, the Reds are now 6 games ahead in the NL Central.

Ghosts of 1990
08-31-2010, 12:28 AM
I didn't know where else to put this so I'm putting it here. File this one under the "Seriously??!" tag for really random comment that seems out of place to read from another team's player during a three game series. Really? Dusty is the only reason the Reds are winning this year?! After watching the Reds for the previous two season's of Dusty's time here, I don't think so Aramis. :confused: :eek:



From the MLB.com story about yesterday's game: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100829&content_id=14065974&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
And he doesn't "Hit that good" without the help of PED's

RBA
08-31-2010, 12:58 AM
Col 2 SF 1

Chip R
08-31-2010, 12:58 AM
Rockies beat the Giants 2-1.

nemesis
08-31-2010, 03:52 AM
http://stlouis.sbnation.com/2010/8/30/1658048/top-five-tony-la-russa-clubhouse


From a Cards blog. Top 5 LaRussa clubhouse fueds.



Read some of his other Top 5's... Kid's funny and knowledgeable. The Roger Hornsby stuff is hilarious.

The Operator
08-31-2010, 05:55 AM
Found this whilst lurking a Cardinals forum... funny stuff:

http://twitpic.com/2ju6rd

CarolinaRedleg
08-31-2010, 10:45 AM
Found this whilst lurking a Cardinals forum... funny stuff:

http://twitpic.com/2ju6rd


How will Carpenter explain that to his son? HOW?!?!?

medford
08-31-2010, 10:48 AM
Found this whilst lurking a Cardinals forum... funny stuff:

http://twitpic.com/2ju6rd

And to think, some Cards fans we're questioning if the Cards even gave 1 of those at this point.

BoydsOfSummer
08-31-2010, 12:12 PM
Aint it purdy?


NATIONAL LEAGUE CENTRAL
TEAM W L PCT GB
Reds 76 55 .580 -
Cardinals 69 60 .535 6
Brewers 62 69 .473 14
Astros 60 71 .458 16
Cubs 56 76 .424 20.5
e--Pirates 43 88 .328 33

BoydsOfSummer
08-31-2010, 12:21 PM
The Pirates were eliminated from the post season before September. Ouch.

oneupper
08-31-2010, 12:53 PM
The Pirates were eliminated from the post season before September. Ouch.

The Pirates were eliminated -mathematically-, I'd say at least two weeks ago.
For simplicity, people doing these calculations assume that the Pirates could win them all and everyone else could lose them all. But since "everyone else" is playing each other, someone has to win those games.

Not that it really matters.

OesterPoster
08-31-2010, 01:06 PM
I thought the Pirates were only eliminated from winning the division. They still have a magic number of 2 for the wild card.

medford
08-31-2010, 01:15 PM
The Pirates were eliminated -mathematically-, I'd say at least two weeks ago.
For simplicity, people doing these calculations assume that the Pirates could win them all and everyone else could lose them all. But since "everyone else" is playing each other, someone has to win those games.

Not that it really matters.

I have my doubts about that. Certainly it was before yesterday, mathematically, but considering that their magic number behind the cards is/was less than their magic number behind the reds, and only 3 games (or 6 games 2 weeks ago when their magic number was even higher) that even if the reds won all 3 they could make up ground theroretically had the Reds lost all remaining games and the Cards lost all remaining games outside of the 3 (6) vs the cards, etc...

Roy Tucker
08-31-2010, 01:28 PM
Aint it purdy?


NATIONAL LEAGUE CENTRAL
TEAM W L PCT GB
Reds 76 55 .580 -
Cardinals 69 60 .535 6
Brewers 62 69 .473 14
Astros 60 71 .458 16
Cubs 56 76 .424 20.5
e--Pirates 43 88 .328 33


I have to say, I didn't expect this to happen this year. I'm happy, but a little surprised at the degree of success.

It will be interesting to see if this team has multi-year legs for success or just a 1999-style flash-in-the-pan.

oneupper
08-31-2010, 01:44 PM
I have my doubts about that. Certainly it was before yesterday, mathematically, but considering that their magic number behind the cards is/was less than their magic number behind the reds, and only 3 games (or 6 games 2 weeks ago when their magic number was even higher) that even if the reds won all 3 they could make up ground theroretically had the Reds lost all remaining games and the Cards lost all remaining games outside of the 3 (6) vs the cards, etc...

I had to figure this out, but yes you are right. Before yesterday's games, this scenario was still possible (with variations, of course). This with every Central team losing against other-division rivals.

Pirates 75-87
REDS 75-87
Brewers 74-88
Cubs 73-89
Cards 72-90
Astros 71-91

I thought that if the REDS and Cards lost them all, except between each other, one of the other teams might tack on enough wins to oust the surging Pirates.
Brewers still had 12 games with REDS and CARDS, but winning all those still left them one short.

So, yes. The Pirates were eliminated yesterday.

ochre
08-31-2010, 02:18 PM
I have to say, I didn't expect this to happen this year.
Jim Bowden was a prophet (just need to get him on the Gregorian calendar system!):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_calendar
The current year according to the Ethiopian calendar is 2002, which began on September 11, 2009 AD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_domini) of the Gregorian calendar. The year 2003 will begin on September 11, 2010.

OnBaseMachine
08-31-2010, 09:29 PM
Astros lead the Cardinals 3-0 in the bottom of the 5th in Houston.

OnBaseMachine
08-31-2010, 09:53 PM
Still 3-0 Astros in the bottom of the 7th.