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rolenmvp
08-08-2010, 11:03 PM
I would love for the sweep but I would take 2 out of 3, reason I am asking this is because the cardinal fans where I live in illinois is giving their cards no hope in this game. they are saying the reds are going to sweep them and go up 5 games and the season be over with.

now I know some of us on here like to think we can sweep and do all kinds of things but, I would be happy with 2 of 3 from the cardinals, it's just funny to see these cardinal fans react to how the reds are doing this year, I love it!!! they are in a position they haven't been used to and hopefully our guys will come through with some big wins this coming week starting tomorrow.

10xWSChamps
08-08-2010, 11:07 PM
I think it's extremely doubtful that either team sweeps. I would be pretty surprised if the Cardinals lost when Carpenter is pitching, he has done extremely well against the Reds this year. Wainwright has been decent but not stellar against the Reds this year, so I could see that game going either way. I think no matter what, he'll at least give our offense a chance to win the game. But I also wouldn't be surprised to see Wainwright come out and dominate, he doesn't have a 2.0 ERA for nothing... Garcia is coming off of a bad start so I'm not sure what to expect. About a month ago he had a bad start, then had 2 or 3 really good ones in a row (until this last one). So I wouldn't be surprised to lose that one.

So I see 1 win, 1 loss and 1 game that could go either way

rolenmvp
08-08-2010, 11:11 PM
I'll take 2 out of 3 and be happy with it. I am soo excited for this series. I won't even be able to sleep tonight and I hope my workday goes by fast, because I won't be able to stand myself. I love pennant races!!

bshall2105
08-08-2010, 11:13 PM
If we win 2 of 3 from the Crads I'll will be extremely happy. That would involve us beating 1 or both of Carpenter and Wainright, who we never seem to beat. I think at best the Reds will win 2 because there is no way Mike Leake on a 90 pitch count can match up with Carpenter.

rolenmvp
08-08-2010, 11:15 PM
I agree shall. the carpenter vs leake game tomorrow night could be a rough one. I just don't want a sweep on their side because then, they would have the momentum right back. imagine if we swept this cardinals team? 5 games up. that would be huge, but going 2 out of 3 with them would put us at 3 games up. I am excited, it's fun to talk about playoff races again and have winning baseball in a city that really needs it like cincinnati does.

knoonan991
08-08-2010, 11:20 PM
If we win 2 of 3 from the Crads I'll will be extremely happy. That would involve us beating 1 or both of Carpenter and Wainright, who we never seem to beat. I think at best the Reds will win 2 because there is no way Mike Leake on a 90 pitch count can match up with Carpenter.

He doesn't need to match up with him...The Reds only have to outlast Carp and get into the Cardinals bullpen.

bshall2105
08-08-2010, 11:21 PM
He doesn't need to match up with him...The Reds only have to outlast Carp and get into the Cardinals bullpen.

Which isn't going to happen unless we get a great performance from our starting pitcher.

knoonan991
08-08-2010, 11:30 PM
Which isn't going to happen unless we get a great performance from our starting pitcher.

Or we could be disciplined at the plate and run up his pitch count.

bshall2105
08-08-2010, 11:35 PM
Or we could be disciplined at the plate and run up his pitch count.

LOl the Reds disciplined at the plate? We have a free swinging team that will be especially ready to swing after hardly getting a thing to hit today.

Griffey012
08-09-2010, 12:16 AM
If we can pull out a win tomorrow I would be absolutely thrilled no matter how the rest of the series plays out. I give the Cards about a 50% chance of taking 2/3, us about a 40% chance of taking 2/3 and each team about a 5% chance of sweeping. Getting the 1st means we can't be swept and leave the series in 1st place still, with potential to do much better.

webbbj
08-09-2010, 12:33 AM
i dunno i got a weird feeling that the reds might just sweep this series.

Jerry
08-09-2010, 12:34 AM
FWIW the Cards are 23 - 31 on the road.

Magdal
08-09-2010, 01:36 AM
Or we could be disciplined at the plate and run up his pitch count.Bingo! Carpenter rarely goes more than 7 innings. Garcia has an 80 pitch ceiling and is out in 6 most games. Getting to the pen early can make a HUGE difference in those games.

LaRussa likes to yank relievers that are mowing them down after 1 or 2 batters 'till he finds one that is struggling and then leaves him IN! That's what happened the other nite when his "closer", Franklin blew the lead in the 9th and returned in the 10th to blow the game.

One more thing: the Cards have not swept a 3 game series on the road since last September. My prediction is a firm 2-1 Reds series victory. But this prediction is canceled if Coco pitch's in ANY game!:eek:

Razzle
08-09-2010, 03:13 AM
Bingo! Carpenter rarely goes more than 7 innings. Garcia has an 80 pitch ceiling and is out in 6 most games. Getting to the pen early can make a HUGE difference in those games.

Carpenter has gone more than 7 innings in 8 of his last 17 outings. He gets as deep into games as anyone not named Roy Halladay. Garcia doesn't have anywhere near an 80 pitch count ceiling as he pitched 99 pitches on Tuesday.

davereds24
08-09-2010, 03:28 AM
Yeah Carp throws a ton of innings, he's a horse when healthy. It is nice to work the count, but if the guys in the outfield try to do that there will be a lot of Ks tomorrow night. Leave that to the guys like Rolen, Votto, Phillips, Ramon/Hanigan.

GIDP
08-09-2010, 09:36 AM
The Reds are in a position where they can be swept and not really worry about it too much. The worst case scenario is the Reds are 1 game out.

If the Reds can pull off a sweep, especially when the Cardinals are throwing their best 3 at them, will be pretty devastating to the Cardinals i would have to imagine. Season still has a ton of games left even if that were to happen.

webbbj
08-09-2010, 09:57 AM
The Reds are in a position where they can be swept and not really worry about it too much. The worst case scenario is the Reds are 1 game out.

If the Reds can pull off a sweep, especially when the Cardinals are throwing their best 3 at them, will be pretty devastating to the Cardinals i would have to imagine. Season still has a ton of games left even if that were to happen.

IDK how the reds would react to getting swept. they have thrived through adversity all year.

they respond after a poor april w/ a great may. they get swept by the braves including a 9th inning collapse and come back to win the next series. they get swept by the mariners then comeback w/ a sweep of the As. the phillies take 4/4 against them and they dont lose a series since.

bottom line this team has faced adversity and thrived. getting swept would be a soul crushing blow. it would be interesting how they would respond but im not thinking negative results i think the reds take it to them this week and get atleast 2/3.

Reds360
08-09-2010, 11:20 AM
The Reds are:
- leading the division
- at home
- Vying for respect

Anything less than 2 out of 3 will give credence to the perception that the cards are team to beat in the central and itís just a matter of time before they take over.

Reds cannot let a sweep happen. I think the team would come back from it but the fans would be devastated.

I know its early August and I hate to put that much pressure on a series with so much of the season left but for a franchise that has struggled so much for the last 10 yrs, I just donít think they can let this opportunity pass by to make a statement to everyone that they are here to stay.

Magdal
08-09-2010, 11:21 AM
Carpenter has gone more than 7 innings in 8 of his last 17 outings. He gets as deep into games as anyone not named Roy Halladay. Garcia doesn't have anywhere near an 80 pitch count ceiling as he pitched 99 pitches on Tuesday.Razz, regarding Carp I'm guessing that you concider 7.1 innings to be "more than 7".....Garcia may have thrown 99 on his last outing but due to his surgury he has been resticted to around 80 all year.

He leaves some games after just 5-6 innings with a lead. He has a better ERA but has less wins than Carpenter because he does'nt control his fate later in the game....a lot of no decisions.

Krawhitham
08-09-2010, 01:07 PM
No way the Reds sweep, that would be 7 wins in a row. I hope I'm wrong but most teams go complete seasons without 7 game winning streaks, and the Reds would have to get 3 of the 7 against a 2nd place team who is also playing good baseball right now

Krawhitham
08-09-2010, 01:18 PM
The Reds are:
- leading the division
- at home
- Vying for respect

Anything less than 2 out of 3 will give credence to the perception that the cards are team to beat in the central and it’s just a matter of time before they take over.

Reds cannot let a sweep happen. I think the team would come back from it but the fans would be devastated.

I know its early August and I hate to put that much pressure on a series with so much of the season left but for a franchise that has struggled so much for the last 10 yrs, I just don’t think they can let this opportunity pass by to make a statement to everyone that they are here to stay.

Who cares about respect or perception, if they lose all 3 they are 1 game back with an easier schedule the rest of the way. They will get respect if they are leading after 162 games.

This team bounces back and that is what is so great about them, they blew 2 six run leads in the 9th and this team did not fall apart, they got sweep by the Pirates of all teams and the this team did not fall apart, The Phillies sweep 4 games before the break and this team did not fall apart. If the Cards sweep them, guess what, this team will not fall apart (sure RedsZone will implode but the team will be fine)

thorn
08-09-2010, 01:30 PM
Razz, regarding Carp I'm guessing that you concider 7.1 innings to be "more than 7".....Garcia may have thrown 99 on his last outing but due to his surgury he has been resticted to around 80 all year.

He leaves some games after just 5-6 innings with a lead. He has a better ERA but has less wins than Carpenter because he does'nt control his fate later in the game....a lot of no decisions.


The Reds need to be aggressive against Carpenter and Wainwright, you can't afford to fall behind to these guys, just don't swing at stuff out of the zone (easier said than done, I know), Garcia, I think the Reds will do well against him. Hopefully the Cards D allows us to extend some innings and pick up a few extra runs.

MikeThierry
08-10-2010, 02:53 AM
Waino is going to be extremely hard to defeat in this series as well. He is coming off of a 2 hit shutout and is arguably the best pitcher in baseball right now. I think the Reds best chance is against Garcia. Cards fans are worried that he is hitting a wall so it wouldn't surprise me if they hit him hard tomorrow. However, he did mention in his last start that he seemed to be tipping his pitches a bit so maybe that is the case. We'll see.

10xWSChamps
08-10-2010, 03:06 AM
Razz, regarding Carp I'm guessing that you concider 7.1 innings to be "more than 7".....Garcia may have thrown 99 on his last outing but due to his surgury he has been resticted to around 80 all year.

He leaves some games after just 5-6 innings with a lead. He has a better ERA but has less wins than Carpenter because he does'nt control his fate later in the game....a lot of no decisions.


7.1 innings would be 1 out into the eighth inning. I dunno who wouldn't consider that more then 7 innings.


95 - 97 - 89 - 102 - 91 - 110 - 96 - 96 - 92 - 97 - 103 - 102 - 111 - 89 - 45 - 94 - 102 - 82 - 95 - 86 - 99

Those are the pitch counts from every single game Jaime Garcia has been in this year. As you can see, he's gone well only 80 pitches in the vast majority of his games. I've heard no where that he's limited to only 80 pitches, because it just isn't true.

Jaime's problem is that he throws too many pitches to get people out, but he's a hell of a pitcher

MikeThierry
08-10-2010, 03:09 AM
You are right about Garcia. The one knock I have on him is he doesn't give the Cards the innings they need. I think part of it is due to the fact he is on limited pitch count but he also has a hard time throwing strikes sometimes. I think with more experience, he will be a more effective pitcher. Still, from a Cards fan's perspective, he has given us more than what most people expected this year and the future looks bright for the Cards rotation. When Shelby Miller develops his 100 mph fastball and other pitches a bit more, the Cards rotation looks to continue its dominant starting pitching for years to come.

Rijo's Ghost
08-10-2010, 03:40 AM
Garcia averages over 5 2/3 IP per start and has gone 6 or more in 14 of 21 starts. That's anywhere from 1-2 fewer outs per game than Cueto while being on a restricted pitch count.

The "Garcia doesn't pitch enough innings or is limited to 80 pitches" stuff is a misnomer.