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edabbs44
08-11-2010, 03:18 PM
Putting things into perspective, Heisey and Janish are a combined 0-12 with a heinous error and the criticism has been minimal, at most. Mob mentality. This team has played like crap top to bottom this series, including Gomes.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 03:18 PM
% of blame:

Jonny Gomes 52.34%
Arroyo 45.25%
Dusty Baker 1.40%
Jim Edmonds 1.01%

LOL. What about Cabrera?


Grounder to Phillips to end the inning. Bray made it interesting though.

RichRed
08-11-2010, 03:18 PM
% of blame:

Jonny Gomes 52.34%
Arroyo 45.25%
Dusty Baker 1.40%
Jim Edmonds 1.01%

Bob Boone 10%. That's right, the Reds give 110%.

bucksfan2
08-11-2010, 03:18 PM
Somebody finally got Jon Jay out.

WMR
08-11-2010, 03:18 PM
% of blame:

Jonny Gomes 52.34%
Arroyo 45.25%
Dusty Baker 1.40%
Jim Edmonds 1.01%

:lol:

Playadlc
08-11-2010, 03:18 PM
Chip away, boys. Chip away.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 03:19 PM
Putting things into perspective, Heisey and Janish are a combined 0-12 with a heinous error and the criticism has been minimal, at most. Mob mentality. This team has played like crap top to bottom this series, including Gomes.

Actually, both Stubbs & Hernandez have played quite well IMO.

durl
08-11-2010, 03:19 PM
Cards are pathetic!

(how's that?)


That's a decent start. Now put your heart into it, soldier!!

reds44
08-11-2010, 03:20 PM
Putting things into perspective, Heisey and Janish are a combined 0-12 with a heinous error and the criticism has been minimal, at most. Mob mentality. This team has played like crap top to bottom this series, including Gomes.
Again, Heisey and Janish haven't been horrible in April, June, July, and August.

It's not one game or one play, it's the continuation of suck.

CTA513
08-11-2010, 03:20 PM
Putting things into perspective, Heisey and Janish are a combined 0-12 with a heinous error and the criticism has been minimal, at most. Mob mentality. This team has played like crap top to bottom this series, including Gomes.

and those 2 guys combined haven't played nearly as bad as Gomes.

Brutus
08-11-2010, 03:22 PM
Again, Heisey and Janish haven't been horrible in April, June, July, and August.

It's not one game or one play, it's the continuation of suck.

Then where's the fury about Jay Bruce? He hasn't produced a lick in several months. Heck, his defense hasn't been as hot as I recall at least a few critical misplays in the outfield too.

I think Gomes should be benched, by the way (for those of you that want to interpret my comments as defending Goms). But the blame being placed on his shoulders has reached irrational proportions.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-11-2010, 03:22 PM
This has been a rather pathetic series by the entire team. Yet a few people want to blame one guy for most of the problems. It's irrational and I'm calling a spade a spade.

Irrational is worrying about what percentage of blame should be distributed by posters on a message board.

By the way, Jonny Gomes is making my eyes bleed.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 03:22 PM
By the way....BREAKING NEWS....there's still a game going on. :O)


Phillips grounds out to Pujols for the first out.

reds44
08-11-2010, 03:22 PM
Then where's the fury about Jay Bruce? He hasn't produced a lick in several months. Heck, his defense hasn't been as hot as I recall at least a few critical misplays in the outfield too.

I think Gomes should be benched, by the way (for those of you that want to interpret my comments as defending Goms). But the blame being placed on his shoulders has reached irrational proportions.
Yeah, no. Bruce's defense has been good all year. That's why he and Stubbs can get away with it.

Phillips hasn't hit the ball out of the infield today.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 03:23 PM
Janish flies out to Rasmus. 2 down.

kaldaniels
08-11-2010, 03:23 PM
Don't take this the wrong way, but as much as I detest Carpenter, Wainwright seems alright to me.

reds44
08-11-2010, 03:24 PM
Don't take this the wrong way, but as much as I detest Carpenter, Wainwright seems alright to me.
Yeah, I have no problem with him.

CTA513
08-11-2010, 03:24 PM
Then where's the fury about Jay Bruce? He hasn't produced a lick in several months. Heck, his defense hasn't been as hot as I recall at least a few critical misplays in the outfield too.

I think Gomes should be benched, by the way (for those of you that want to interpret my comments as defending Goms). But the blame being placed on his shoulders has reached irrational proportions.

People get on Bruce all the time for sucking at the plate, but the one thing he usually brings game in and game out is good defense.

RichRed
08-11-2010, 03:24 PM
Don't take this the wrong way, but as much as I detest Carpenter, Wainwright seems alright to me.

Take it back!

:D

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 03:24 PM
Don't take this the wrong way, but as much as I detest Carpenter, Wainwright seems alright to me.

I was going to post the same thing earlier.

CrackerJack
08-11-2010, 03:25 PM
Putting things into perspective, Heisey and Janish are a combined 0-12 with a heinous error and the criticism has been minimal, at most. Mob mentality. This team has played like crap top to bottom this series, including Gomes.

They are not getting anything out of Rolen either...nor Gomes offensively for some time now.

There are just too many regular hitters not doing anything and haven't been this month. The pressure on the pitching staff is obviously getting to them. Had they had a 1 or 2 run lead, maybe Arroyo doesn't pitch around people and try to keep the shut out going, maybe he gives up a run or two instead of 4.

It is also obvious the Reds top 3 starters are < Cards top 3. And the Reds just don't have the talent offensively to overcome that in a short series. I suspect they'd meet the same fate in the first round of the post season as well.

Homer Bailey
08-11-2010, 03:26 PM
Where is Brandon Phillips' money?

It certainly isn't where his mouth is.

durl
08-11-2010, 03:26 PM
Votto's batting, right?

The Operator
08-11-2010, 03:26 PM
Don't take this the wrong way, but as much as I detest Carpenter, Wainwright seems alright to me.

I'd do cartwheels (and for a guy like me, that's a big deal) if The Reds had an Adam Wainwright on their staff. He's young, durable, and he misses bats. He's an ace stopper, something The Reds lack.

I sure do hate Carpenter though.

But anyway, maybe Walt can find another Wainwright for us like he did in StL. He did acquire him in the JD Drew deal, after all. Wish The Reds would have offered the Braves Kearns or something.

Brutus
08-11-2010, 03:26 PM
Irrational is worrying about what percentage of blame should be distributed by posters on a message board.

By the way, Jonny Gomes is making my eyes bleed.

Who said anything about what "percentage" is being blamed? If you're going to come at me, at least get it right.

All I said was that Arroyo and Gomes both were to blame for that inning. I didn't see anyone (except you sarcastically) try to assign a percentage to that.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 03:26 PM
Votto K's to end the inning. 4-0 it remains.

reds44
08-11-2010, 03:26 PM
Where is Brandon Phillips' money?

It certainly isn't where his mouth is.
He's been the worst of them all.

Just embarrassing by him.

edabbs44
08-11-2010, 03:26 PM
Then where's the fury about Jay Bruce? He hasn't produced a lick in several months. Heck, his defense hasn't been as hot as I recall at least a few critical misplays in the outfield too.

I think Gomes should be benched, by the way (for those of you that want to interpret my comments as defending Goms). But the blame being placed on his shoulders has reached irrational proportions.

He's only 23

durl
08-11-2010, 03:27 PM
2 hits. Geez.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 03:27 PM
Well, I have to go pick up my daughters. So someone else will have to take up the PBP to be ignored in favor of arguing amongst ourselves. Have fun.

The Operator
08-11-2010, 03:28 PM
Bruce and Stubbs have the teams only hits today. That's probably why they aren't in the line of fire quite like Gomes is right now.

kaldaniels
08-11-2010, 03:29 PM
Oh and we are facing Josh Johnson Friday, my head hurts.

edabbs44
08-11-2010, 03:29 PM
They are not getting anything out of Rolen either...nor Gomes offensively for some time now.

There are just too many regular hitters not doing anything and haven't been this month. The pressure on the pitching staff is obviously getting to them. Had they had a 1 or 2 run lead, maybe Arroyo doesn't pitch around people and try to keep the shut out going, maybe he gives up a run or two instead of 4.

It is also obvious the Reds top 3 starters are < Cards top 3. And the Reds just don't have the talent offensively to overcome that in a short series. I suspect they'd meet the same fate in the first round of the post season as well.
We wouldn't face the Cards in the 1st

Brutus
08-11-2010, 03:29 PM
People get on Bruce all the time for sucking at the plate, but the one thing he usually brings game in and game out is good defense.

"Usually," yes. Absolutely. But in the past few weeks he's made a few pretty boneheaded plays out there that everyone glossed right over. I am not saying those plays are indicative of the job he typically has done out there, but they certainly haven't been at good times and in the midst of providing nothing with the bat.

reds44
08-11-2010, 03:29 PM
"Usually," yes. Absolutely. But in the past few weeks he's made a few pretty boneheaded plays out there that everyone glossed right over. I am not saying those plays are indicative of the job he typically has done out there, but they certainly haven't been at good times and in the midst of providing nothing with the bat.
Name one.

Kc61
08-11-2010, 03:31 PM
I do think Gomes is the most responsible guy today.

But overall, the Reds lack the kind of ace starting pitching the Cards have. And the Reds also need to get one true top notch all around outfielder. I see them as two players away -- Willie Mays and Sandy Koufax.

Stephenk29
08-11-2010, 03:32 PM
The worst of all of this is having to watch the entire series with the Cardinals broadcasters. 3 days of Reds bashing.

bucksfan2
08-11-2010, 03:32 PM
I do think Gomes is the most responsible guy today.

But overall, the Reds lack the kind of ace starting pitching the Cards have. And the Reds also need to get one true top notch outfielder.

The Reds haven't had a starter get out of the 5th inning this series.

The Operator
08-11-2010, 03:33 PM
The Reds need a true TOR guy in the worst way.

Oh how I wish they'd gotten Cliff Lee.

nate
08-11-2010, 03:34 PM
The Reds need a true TOR guy in the worst way.

Oh how I wish they'd gotten Cliff Lee.

Yeah. It sure would've been nice to get a hammer into the rotation.

Brutus
08-11-2010, 03:34 PM
Bruce and Stubbs have the teams only hits today. That's probably why they aren't in the line of fire quite like Gomes is right now.

That's probably true.

But collectively since the start of July, the two have combined on just 49 hits in 221 at-bats (.221 average) with a combined OPS of about 600.

They, even with their defense, have been pretty bad out there.

muddie
08-11-2010, 03:34 PM
When Smith was facing Holliday you were looking at two former Mudcats...just saying.

REDREAD
08-11-2010, 03:36 PM
When Smith was facing Holliday you were looking at two former Mudcats...just saying.

Hey Muddie, I used to live in your area.. Apex.. Went to see the mudcats quite a few times.. Good to meet someone else from the area.

reds44
08-11-2010, 03:36 PM
This is unbelievable.

They haven't hit a single ball hard this inning.

nate
08-11-2010, 03:37 PM
They're killing us with the seeing eye hits.

Kc61
08-11-2010, 03:37 PM
They're killing us with the seeing eye hits.

Reds are missing Cabrera's range.

muddie
08-11-2010, 03:37 PM
Hey Muddie, I used to live in your area.. Apex.. Went to see the mudcats quite a few times.. Good to meet someone else from the area.

I know Apex well. Played in-line hockey there several years at Dream Sports Center. Good to hear from you.

kbrake
08-11-2010, 03:38 PM
All of a sudden the Philadelphia series doesn't seem that bad. This just needs to end.

jesusfan
08-11-2010, 03:38 PM
Biggest Series in a long, long time.. and we get embarrased in every game..

guttle11
08-11-2010, 03:39 PM
This is unbelievable.

They haven't hit a single ball hard this inning.

They've hit like 3 hard all series. Not much you can do when every chopper finds a hole. Hang with 'em, that BABIP always normalizes over time.

HeatherC1212
08-11-2010, 03:41 PM
Can someone give a little more PBP for those of us following without other media outlets available? Thanks. :)

Hoosier Red
08-11-2010, 03:44 PM
You don't want to know.

Pujols popped out
Holliday walked
Rasmus singled(I hate that guy)
Molina singled 5-0(I hate that guy more)
Schumaker singled 6-0 (I don't even want to tell you how much I hate that guy.)
Wainwright grounded into a double play.

Brutus
08-11-2010, 03:44 PM
Can someone give a little more PBP for those of us following without other media outlets available? Thanks. :)

Jonny Gomes reached on an error, but he should have hit a 5-run homer.

muddie
08-11-2010, 03:45 PM
Can someone give a little more PBP for those of us following without other media outlets available? Thanks. :)

Reds down 6-0. Bottom of 7th with two out, nobody on in the home half.

reds44
08-11-2010, 03:46 PM
Bruce and Stubbs struck out on 6 pitches.

muddie
08-11-2010, 03:46 PM
End of seven 6-0 and looking bleak, very bleak.

Brutus
08-11-2010, 03:46 PM
There was no joy in Mudville.

HeatherC1212
08-11-2010, 03:48 PM
Ugh, thanks for the info anyway. :(

Ltlabner
08-11-2010, 03:49 PM
And as if the Baseball Gods wanted to stick it to us even more, now there's a rain delay.

Homer Bailey
08-11-2010, 03:49 PM
Told myself I wasn't going to follow the game today, because I couldn't handle having another day ruined. Of course I didn't listen to my own advice. I need to break some stuff.

VR
08-11-2010, 03:50 PM
The Reds need a true TOR guy in the worst way.

Oh how I wish they'd gotten Cliff Lee.



And there you have it.

The Reds do have 8 #3 quality starters though.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/rangers/2010-08-10-cliff-lee-impact_N.htm

REDREAD
08-11-2010, 03:51 PM
Can someone give a little more PBP for those of us following without other media outlets available? Thanks. :)

You want more detail than "We suck" ? :lol:

I'd like some PBP too.

cumberlandreds
08-11-2010, 03:53 PM
Can someone give a little more PBP for those of us following without other media outlets available? Thanks. :)

It's raining. Apparently very hard in more ways then one. :(

reds44
08-11-2010, 03:54 PM
Just waive the white flag and lets all go home.

cumberlandreds
08-11-2010, 03:57 PM
Banana phone in full gear. Someone just called and said the Reds should bring up Dickerson. :lol:

nate
08-11-2010, 03:58 PM
Banana phone in full gear. Someone just called and said the Reds should bring up Dickerson. :lol:

Lol....good times!

:cool:

HeatherC1212
08-11-2010, 03:58 PM
I'm not surprised it's raining downtown now. It's been pouring here at work for a good twenty minutes now with some thunder and lightning mixed in for good measure. It fits my mood although I wouldn't mind the power going out so I wouldn't have to work for a while. :p:

The Pirates series sucked earlier this year. This series sucks too (more so because it's our big rival) but this too shall pass. They have to face the Marlins ace on Friday but I can see them taking two of three from them here at home if they can put this series behind them and play better baseball. Something will turn around soon for our guys. Maybe this means they'll kick some behind during the upcoming west coast trip? *fingers crossed*

reds1869
08-11-2010, 04:12 PM
I'm looking at the ballpark from my new 17th floor apartment. The rain has stopped for now.

OK, so I just wanted to plug the fact that my new apartment overlooks GABP. Last night after the game I came home to a bedroom illuminated by the stadium lights. This is paradise for a Reds fan!

Danny Serafini
08-11-2010, 04:31 PM
Love the banana phone caller who just said he saw online that Billy Hatcher would be made a player/coach once the rosters expanded and wanted to know if it was true. Classic.

WMR
08-11-2010, 04:31 PM
Baha, that Reds Hot video is awesomely bad.

REDREAD
08-11-2010, 04:32 PM
I'm looking at the ballpark from my new 17th floor apartment. The rain has stopped for now.

OK, so I just wanted to plug the fact that my new apartment overlooks GABP. Last night after the game I came home to a bedroom illuminated by the stadium lights. This is paradise for a Reds fan!


Make sure you keep your drapes closed, we don't want another Skydome inicident, starring you. :lol:

WMR
08-11-2010, 04:33 PM
YouTube - &#x202a;Reds Hot Video.avi&#x202c;&lrm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju_mKs6k1Bc)

I know it was 1990, but that video is straight out of the 80s.

nate
08-11-2010, 04:47 PM
BP gets...I think it's called a..."hit."

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 04:50 PM
Janish with a single too that dies in a puddle of water. Phillips motors around to third. Boggs is done. All we needed was to get to the pen. Hopefully.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 04:52 PM
RALLY TIME! Votto with a single. 6-1 Cards.

mbgrayson
08-11-2010, 04:53 PM
The lefty Trever Miller in to face Votto. Votto singles anyway....

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 04:53 PM
A solid boo-bird chorus greets LaRussa's visit to the mound. :O)

CTA513
08-11-2010, 04:54 PM
A come from behind win would help make up for the previous 2 games.

HeatherC1212
08-11-2010, 04:55 PM
Hey, the game's back on! Thanks for the PBP. I'm ashamed to say I wasn't paying as much attention and was actually.....*gulp*....doing work. *hangs head in shame* :p:

CTA513
08-11-2010, 04:55 PM
MacDougal is a pretty wild pitcher and if I remember correctly he also had that highlight of when his hat kept falling off all the time when he pitched a few years ago.

mbgrayson
08-11-2010, 04:55 PM
A come from behind win would help make up for the previous 2 games.

It sure would. Heck, I just like seeing the Reds keep battling away. Never give up, that is what I like to see.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 04:56 PM
Hey, the game's back on! Thanks for the PBP. I'm ashamed to say I wasn't paying as much attention and was actually.....*gulp*....doing work. *hangs head in shame* :p:

You even missed a Votto ab and RBI. For SHAME!

*revokes Heathers' Votto Fan Club membership card*

15fan
08-11-2010, 04:56 PM
Now into the game, a 15fan cyber-draft pick from back in the day, Mike Macdougal.

If he has to pitch to Edmonds, it will be the ultimate conundrum. A guy I like pitching for a team I hate against a guy I loathe batting for a team I like.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 04:58 PM
Rolen pops out to a whiner. :O) I kid. Molina.

Inning over. But the Reds get on the board. 6-1 heading to the ninth.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 04:59 PM
Cordero in.

Wheaties Fuel commercial replay. Pujols up.

HeatherC1212
08-11-2010, 05:00 PM
You even missed a Votto ab and RBI. For SHAME!

*revokes Heathers' Votto Fan Club membership card*

I didn't miss that part...I just hadn't gotten my post on the thread yet! Don't try to revoke my card. I'm the president...you can't get rid of me that easily! :p:

guttle11
08-11-2010, 05:00 PM
Lost in the BP, brawl, Jonny Gomes is evil talk is the slide of Rolen. Not so good lately, 0-10 this series.

Every bit as big as words spoken, backs kicked, or foul balls not caught. He simply has to perform for this team to succeed.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 05:00 PM
I didn't miss that part...I just hadn't gotten my post on the thread yet! Don't try to revoke my card. I'm the president...you can't get rid of me that easily! :p:

Okay. Forgiven. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 05:05 PM
Cordero.....*drumroll please*.....1-2-3. Pujols included. And a Rasmus K.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2010, 05:07 PM
Ryan Franklin in.

HeatherC1212
08-11-2010, 05:07 PM
Okay. Forgiven. :O)

Thanks! Anyone else all ready anxious for the weekend? :thumbup: :beerme: :D

HeatherC1212
08-11-2010, 05:11 PM
Cordero had a clean inning?! Wow. :eek:

LoganBuck
08-11-2010, 05:12 PM
I haven't been able to post much the last few days, but Jonny Gomes has been absolutely brutal in this series. By my count his defense is directly responsible for 9 runs scoring.

How we lookin'?

Not good.

Ballgame.

Cedric
08-11-2010, 05:14 PM
They were almost all bad. Phillips, Janish, Rolen, Gomes, and all the pitchers.

LincolnparkRed
08-11-2010, 05:15 PM
They were almost all bad. Phillips, Janish, Rolen, Gomes, and all the pitchers.

Carlos Fisher gets my gold star for the series. Too bad, it is never a good thing for him to be in the game.

durl
08-11-2010, 05:16 PM
Swept. I really don't like how the Cards can rub this in extra hard now.

The only good takeaway is that we're only 1 game out of first. And I hope that the Cards will drop off a bit after this series. It would be cool for the Cubbies to take a couple in their series this weekend.

HeatherC1212
08-11-2010, 05:21 PM
Thank goodness tomorrow is an off day. I kind of feel bad for any players who might be going to Reds Day at King's Island tomorrow. They're going to get pelted with questions about this series and I'm sure not one of them will really want to talk about it. :(

Let's move on from this disaster and get the ship righted again.

reds1869
08-11-2010, 05:36 PM
Make sure you keep your drapes closed, we don't want another Skydome inicident, starring you. :lol:

My mother-in-law can see our apartment from her new office, so rest assured I'll keep the drapes closed. :D

Ron Madden
08-13-2010, 05:29 AM
No offense, but I think you just like to argue.

Gomes has been awful this series. And nobody said that it's all one player's fault. People are on Gomes right now and rightfully so. Doesn't mean they have to list all the things wrong with everyone else.

Like I said, if everyone was pounding on Arroyo, we'd probably be hearing from you how Gomes was to blame for not catching the catchable foul ball.

Agreed. :thumbup:

Ron Madden
08-13-2010, 05:36 AM
Peace out, y'all. You guys are goofy.


:laugh::laugh::laugh:

corkedbat
08-14-2010, 09:54 PM
West back to his boycott on the strike zone