8/11- Reds vs. Cardinals, "Wednesday Matinee"

[edabbs44]

Putting things into perspective, Heisey and Janish are a combined 0-12 with a heinous error and the criticism has been minimal, at most. Mob mentality. This team has played like crap top to bottom this series, including Gomes.

[_Sir_Charles_]

% of blame:

Jonny Gomes 52.34%
Arroyo 45.25%
Dusty Baker 1.40%
Jim Edmonds 1.01%

LOL. What about Cabrera?


Grounder to Phillips to end the inning. Bray made it interesting though.

[RichRed]

% of blame:

Jonny Gomes 52.34%
Arroyo 45.25%
Dusty Baker 1.40%
Jim Edmonds 1.01%

Bob Boone 10%. That's right, the Reds give 110%.

[bucksfan2]

Somebody finally got Jon Jay out.

[WMR]

% of blame:

Jonny Gomes 52.34%
Arroyo 45.25%
Dusty Baker 1.40%
Jim Edmonds 1.01%

:lol:

[Playadlc]

Chip away, boys. Chip away.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Putting things into perspective, Heisey and Janish are a combined 0-12 with a heinous error and the criticism has been minimal, at most. Mob mentality. This team has played like crap top to bottom this series, including Gomes.

Actually, both Stubbs & Hernandez have played quite well IMO.

[durl]

Cards are pathetic!

(how's that?)


That's a decent start. Now put your heart into it, soldier!!

[reds44]

Putting things into perspective, Heisey and Janish are a combined 0-12 with a heinous error and the criticism has been minimal, at most. Mob mentality. This team has played like crap top to bottom this series, including Gomes.
Again, Heisey and Janish haven't been horrible in April, June, July, and August.

It's not one game or one play, it's the continuation of suck.

[CTA513]

Putting things into perspective, Heisey and Janish are a combined 0-12 with a heinous error and the criticism has been minimal, at most. Mob mentality. This team has played like crap top to bottom this series, including Gomes.

and those 2 guys combined haven't played nearly as bad as Gomes.

[Brutus]

Again, Heisey and Janish haven't been horrible in April, June, July, and August.

It's not one game or one play, it's the continuation of suck.

Then where's the fury about Jay Bruce? He hasn't produced a lick in several months. Heck, his defense hasn't been as hot as I recall at least a few critical misplays in the outfield too.

I think Gomes should be benched, by the way (for those of you that want to interpret my comments as defending Goms). But the blame being placed on his shoulders has reached irrational proportions.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

This has been a rather pathetic series by the entire team. Yet a few people want to blame one guy for most of the problems. It's irrational and I'm calling a spade a spade.

Irrational is worrying about what percentage of blame should be distributed by posters on a message board.

By the way, Jonny Gomes is making my eyes bleed.

[_Sir_Charles_]

By the way....BREAKING NEWS....there's still a game going on. :O)


Phillips grounds out to Pujols for the first out.

[reds44]

Then where's the fury about Jay Bruce? He hasn't produced a lick in several months. Heck, his defense hasn't been as hot as I recall at least a few critical misplays in the outfield too.

I think Gomes should be benched, by the way (for those of you that want to interpret my comments as defending Goms). But the blame being placed on his shoulders has reached irrational proportions.
Yeah, no. Bruce's defense has been good all year. That's why he and Stubbs can get away with it.

Phillips hasn't hit the ball out of the infield today.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Janish flies out to Rasmus. 2 down.

[kaldaniels]

Don't take this the wrong way, but as much as I detest Carpenter, Wainwright seems alright to me.

[reds44]

Don't take this the wrong way, but as much as I detest Carpenter, Wainwright seems alright to me.
Yeah, I have no problem with him.

[CTA513]

Then where's the fury about Jay Bruce? He hasn't produced a lick in several months. Heck, his defense hasn't been as hot as I recall at least a few critical misplays in the outfield too.

I think Gomes should be benched, by the way (for those of you that want to interpret my comments as defending Goms). But the blame being placed on his shoulders has reached irrational proportions.

People get on Bruce all the time for sucking at the plate, but the one thing he usually brings game in and game out is good defense.

[RichRed]

Don't take this the wrong way, but as much as I detest Carpenter, Wainwright seems alright to me.

Take it back!

:D

[_Sir_Charles_]

Don't take this the wrong way, but as much as I detest Carpenter, Wainwright seems alright to me.

I was going to post the same thing earlier.

[CrackerJack]

Putting things into perspective, Heisey and Janish are a combined 0-12 with a heinous error and the criticism has been minimal, at most. Mob mentality. This team has played like crap top to bottom this series, including Gomes.

They are not getting anything out of Rolen either...nor Gomes offensively for some time now.

There are just too many regular hitters not doing anything and haven't been this month. The pressure on the pitching staff is obviously getting to them. Had they had a 1 or 2 run lead, maybe Arroyo doesn't pitch around people and try to keep the shut out going, maybe he gives up a run or two instead of 4.

It is also obvious the Reds top 3 starters are < Cards top 3. And the Reds just don't have the talent offensively to overcome that in a short series. I suspect they'd meet the same fate in the first round of the post season as well.

[Homer Bailey]

Where is Brandon Phillips' money?

It certainly isn't where his mouth is.

[durl]

Votto's batting, right?

[The Operator]

Don't take this the wrong way, but as much as I detest Carpenter, Wainwright seems alright to me.

I'd do cartwheels (and for a guy like me, that's a big deal) if The Reds had an Adam Wainwright on their staff. He's young, durable, and he misses bats. He's an ace stopper, something The Reds lack.

I sure do hate Carpenter though.

But anyway, maybe Walt can find another Wainwright for us like he did in StL. He did acquire him in the JD Drew deal, after all. Wish The Reds would have offered the Braves Kearns or something.

[Brutus]

Irrational is worrying about what percentage of blame should be distributed by posters on a message board.

By the way, Jonny Gomes is making my eyes bleed.

Who said anything about what "percentage" is being blamed? If you're going to come at me, at least get it right.

All I said was that Arroyo and Gomes both were to blame for that inning. I didn't see anyone (except you sarcastically) try to assign a percentage to that.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Votto K's to end the inning. 4-0 it remains.

[reds44]

Where is Brandon Phillips' money?

It certainly isn't where his mouth is.
He's been the worst of them all.

Just embarrassing by him.

[edabbs44]

Then where's the fury about Jay Bruce? He hasn't produced a lick in several months. Heck, his defense hasn't been as hot as I recall at least a few critical misplays in the outfield too.

I think Gomes should be benched, by the way (for those of you that want to interpret my comments as defending Goms). But the blame being placed on his shoulders has reached irrational proportions.

He's only 23

[durl]

2 hits. Geez.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Well, I have to go pick up my daughters. So someone else will have to take up the PBP to be ignored in favor of arguing amongst ourselves. Have fun.

[The Operator]

Bruce and Stubbs have the teams only hits today. That's probably why they aren't in the line of fire quite like Gomes is right now.

[kaldaniels]

Oh and we are facing Josh Johnson Friday, my head hurts.

[edabbs44]

They are not getting anything out of Rolen either...nor Gomes offensively for some time now.

There are just too many regular hitters not doing anything and haven't been this month. The pressure on the pitching staff is obviously getting to them. Had they had a 1 or 2 run lead, maybe Arroyo doesn't pitch around people and try to keep the shut out going, maybe he gives up a run or two instead of 4.

It is also obvious the Reds top 3 starters are < Cards top 3. And the Reds just don't have the talent offensively to overcome that in a short series. I suspect they'd meet the same fate in the first round of the post season as well.
We wouldn't face the Cards in the 1st

[Brutus]

People get on Bruce all the time for sucking at the plate, but the one thing he usually brings game in and game out is good defense.

"Usually," yes. Absolutely. But in the past few weeks he's made a few pretty boneheaded plays out there that everyone glossed right over. I am not saying those plays are indicative of the job he typically has done out there, but they certainly haven't been at good times and in the midst of providing nothing with the bat.

[reds44]

"Usually," yes. Absolutely. But in the past few weeks he's made a few pretty boneheaded plays out there that everyone glossed right over. I am not saying those plays are indicative of the job he typically has done out there, but they certainly haven't been at good times and in the midst of providing nothing with the bat.
Name one.

[Kc61]

I do think Gomes is the most responsible guy today.

But overall, the Reds lack the kind of ace starting pitching the Cards have. And the Reds also need to get one true top notch all around outfielder. I see them as two players away -- Willie Mays and Sandy Koufax.

[Stephenk29]

The worst of all of this is having to watch the entire series with the Cardinals broadcasters. 3 days of Reds bashing.

[bucksfan2]

I do think Gomes is the most responsible guy today.

But overall, the Reds lack the kind of ace starting pitching the Cards have. And the Reds also need to get one true top notch outfielder.

The Reds haven't had a starter get out of the 5th inning this series.

[The Operator]

The Reds need a true TOR guy in the worst way.

Oh how I wish they'd gotten Cliff Lee.

[nate]

The Reds need a true TOR guy in the worst way.

Oh how I wish they'd gotten Cliff Lee.

Yeah. It sure would've been nice to get a hammer into the rotation.

[Brutus]

Bruce and Stubbs have the teams only hits today. That's probably why they aren't in the line of fire quite like Gomes is right now.

That's probably true.

But collectively since the start of July, the two have combined on just 49 hits in 221 at-bats (.221 average) with a combined OPS of about 600.

They, even with their defense, have been pretty bad out there.

[muddie]

When Smith was facing Holliday you were looking at two former Mudcats...just saying.

[REDREAD]

When Smith was facing Holliday you were looking at two former Mudcats...just saying.

Hey Muddie, I used to live in your area.. Apex.. Went to see the mudcats quite a few times.. Good to meet someone else from the area.

[reds44]

This is unbelievable.

They haven't hit a single ball hard this inning.

[nate]

They're killing us with the seeing eye hits.

[Kc61]

They're killing us with the seeing eye hits.

Reds are missing Cabrera's range.

[muddie]

Hey Muddie, I used to live in your area.. Apex.. Went to see the mudcats quite a few times.. Good to meet someone else from the area.

I know Apex well. Played in-line hockey there several years at Dream Sports Center. Good to hear from you.

[kbrake]

All of a sudden the Philadelphia series doesn't seem that bad. This just needs to end.

[jesusfan]

Biggest Series in a long, long time.. and we get embarrased in every game..

[guttle11]

This is unbelievable.

They haven't hit a single ball hard this inning.

They've hit like 3 hard all series. Not much you can do when every chopper finds a hole. Hang with 'em, that BABIP always normalizes over time.

[HeatherC1212]

Can someone give a little more PBP for those of us following without other media outlets available? Thanks. :)

[Hoosier Red]

You don't want to know.

Pujols popped out
Holliday walked
Rasmus singled(I hate that guy)
Molina singled 5-0(I hate that guy more)
Schumaker singled 6-0 (I don't even want to tell you how much I hate that guy.)
Wainwright grounded into a double play.

[Brutus]

Can someone give a little more PBP for those of us following without other media outlets available? Thanks. :)

Jonny Gomes reached on an error, but he should have hit a 5-run homer.

[muddie]

Can someone give a little more PBP for those of us following without other media outlets available? Thanks. :)

Reds down 6-0. Bottom of 7th with two out, nobody on in the home half.

[reds44]

Bruce and Stubbs struck out on 6 pitches.

[muddie]

End of seven 6-0 and looking bleak, very bleak.

[Brutus]

There was no joy in Mudville.

[HeatherC1212]

Ugh, thanks for the info anyway. :(

[Ltlabner]

And as if the Baseball Gods wanted to stick it to us even more, now there's a rain delay.

[Homer Bailey]

Told myself I wasn't going to follow the game today, because I couldn't handle having another day ruined. Of course I didn't listen to my own advice. I need to break some stuff.

[VR]

The Reds need a true TOR guy in the worst way.

Oh how I wish they'd gotten Cliff Lee.



And there you have it.

The Reds do have 8 #3 quality starters though.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/rangers/2010-08-10-cliff-lee-impact_N.htm

[REDREAD]

Can someone give a little more PBP for those of us following without other media outlets available? Thanks. :)

You want more detail than "We suck" ? :lol:

I'd like some PBP too.

[cumberlandreds]

Can someone give a little more PBP for those of us following without other media outlets available? Thanks. :)

It's raining. Apparently very hard in more ways then one. :(

[reds44]

Just waive the white flag and lets all go home.

[cumberlandreds]

Banana phone in full gear. Someone just called and said the Reds should bring up Dickerson. :lol:

[nate]

Banana phone in full gear. Someone just called and said the Reds should bring up Dickerson. :lol:

Lol....good times!

:cool:

[HeatherC1212]

I'm not surprised it's raining downtown now. It's been pouring here at work for a good twenty minutes now with some thunder and lightning mixed in for good measure. It fits my mood although I wouldn't mind the power going out so I wouldn't have to work for a while. :p:

The Pirates series sucked earlier this year. This series sucks too (more so because it's our big rival) but this too shall pass. They have to face the Marlins ace on Friday but I can see them taking two of three from them here at home if they can put this series behind them and play better baseball. Something will turn around soon for our guys. Maybe this means they'll kick some behind during the upcoming west coast trip? *fingers crossed*

[reds1869]

I'm looking at the ballpark from my new 17th floor apartment. The rain has stopped for now.

OK, so I just wanted to plug the fact that my new apartment overlooks GABP. Last night after the game I came home to a bedroom illuminated by the stadium lights. This is paradise for a Reds fan!

[Danny Serafini]

Love the banana phone caller who just said he saw online that Billy Hatcher would be made a player/coach once the rosters expanded and wanted to know if it was true. Classic.

[WMR]

Baha, that Reds Hot video is awesomely bad.

[REDREAD]

I'm looking at the ballpark from my new 17th floor apartment. The rain has stopped for now.

OK, so I just wanted to plug the fact that my new apartment overlooks GABP. Last night after the game I came home to a bedroom illuminated by the stadium lights. This is paradise for a Reds fan!


Make sure you keep your drapes closed, we don't want another Skydome inicident, starring you. :lol:

[WMR]

YouTube - &#x202a;Reds Hot Video.avi&#x202c;&lrm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju_mKs6k1Bc)

I know it was 1990, but that video is straight out of the 80s.

[nate]

BP gets...I think it's called a..."hit."

[_Sir_Charles_]

Janish with a single too that dies in a puddle of water. Phillips motors around to third. Boggs is done. All we needed was to get to the pen. Hopefully.

[_Sir_Charles_]

RALLY TIME! Votto with a single. 6-1 Cards.

[mbgrayson]

The lefty Trever Miller in to face Votto. Votto singles anyway....

[_Sir_Charles_]

A solid boo-bird chorus greets LaRussa's visit to the mound. :O)

[CTA513]

A come from behind win would help make up for the previous 2 games.

[HeatherC1212]

Hey, the game's back on! Thanks for the PBP. I'm ashamed to say I wasn't paying as much attention and was actually.....*gulp*....doing work. *hangs head in shame* :p:

[CTA513]

MacDougal is a pretty wild pitcher and if I remember correctly he also had that highlight of when his hat kept falling off all the time when he pitched a few years ago.

[mbgrayson]

A come from behind win would help make up for the previous 2 games.

It sure would. Heck, I just like seeing the Reds keep battling away. Never give up, that is what I like to see.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hey, the game's back on! Thanks for the PBP. I'm ashamed to say I wasn't paying as much attention and was actually.....*gulp*....doing work. *hangs head in shame* :p:

You even missed a Votto ab and RBI. For SHAME!

*revokes Heathers' Votto Fan Club membership card*

[15fan]

Now into the game, a 15fan cyber-draft pick from back in the day, Mike Macdougal.

If he has to pitch to Edmonds, it will be the ultimate conundrum. A guy I like pitching for a team I hate against a guy I loathe batting for a team I like.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Rolen pops out to a whiner. :O) I kid. Molina.

Inning over. But the Reds get on the board. 6-1 heading to the ninth.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cordero in.

Wheaties Fuel commercial replay. Pujols up.

[HeatherC1212]

You even missed a Votto ab and RBI. For SHAME!

*revokes Heathers' Votto Fan Club membership card*

I didn't miss that part...I just hadn't gotten my post on the thread yet! Don't try to revoke my card. I'm the president...you can't get rid of me that easily! :p:

[guttle11]

Lost in the BP, brawl, Jonny Gomes is evil talk is the slide of Rolen. Not so good lately, 0-10 this series.

Every bit as big as words spoken, backs kicked, or foul balls not caught. He simply has to perform for this team to succeed.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I didn't miss that part...I just hadn't gotten my post on the thread yet! Don't try to revoke my card. I'm the president...you can't get rid of me that easily! :p:

Okay. Forgiven. :O)

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cordero.....*drumroll please*.....1-2-3. Pujols included. And a Rasmus K.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ryan Franklin in.

[HeatherC1212]

Okay. Forgiven. :O)

Thanks! Anyone else all ready anxious for the weekend? :thumbup: :beerme: :D

[HeatherC1212]

Cordero had a clean inning?! Wow. :eek:

[LoganBuck]

I haven't been able to post much the last few days, but Jonny Gomes has been absolutely brutal in this series. By my count his defense is directly responsible for 9 runs scoring.

How we lookin'?

Not good.

Ballgame.

[Cedric]

They were almost all bad. Phillips, Janish, Rolen, Gomes, and all the pitchers.

[LincolnparkRed]

They were almost all bad. Phillips, Janish, Rolen, Gomes, and all the pitchers.

Carlos Fisher gets my gold star for the series. Too bad, it is never a good thing for him to be in the game.

[durl]

Swept. I really don't like how the Cards can rub this in extra hard now.

The only good takeaway is that we're only 1 game out of first. And I hope that the Cards will drop off a bit after this series. It would be cool for the Cubbies to take a couple in their series this weekend.

[HeatherC1212]

Thank goodness tomorrow is an off day. I kind of feel bad for any players who might be going to Reds Day at King's Island tomorrow. They're going to get pelted with questions about this series and I'm sure not one of them will really want to talk about it. :(

Let's move on from this disaster and get the ship righted again.

[reds1869]

Make sure you keep your drapes closed, we don't want another Skydome inicident, starring you. :lol:

My mother-in-law can see our apartment from her new office, so rest assured I'll keep the drapes closed. :D

[Ron Madden]

No offense, but I think you just like to argue.

Gomes has been awful this series. And nobody said that it's all one player's fault. People are on Gomes right now and rightfully so. Doesn't mean they have to list all the things wrong with everyone else.

Like I said, if everyone was pounding on Arroyo, we'd probably be hearing from you how Gomes was to blame for not catching the catchable foul ball.

Agreed. :thumbup:

[Ron Madden]

Peace out, y'all. You guys are goofy.


:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[corkedbat]

West back to his boycott on the strike zone