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13 in hall
08-12-2010, 12:15 PM
Didn't see this posted anywhere but according to MLBtraderumors.com Chipper Jones is done for the year with a torn ACL. Not good at all I know they still play the cards 3-4 times I know this has to have some kind of negative consequence for the Braves. Might it cause them to slide in the East and in the wild card hunt? He might not be what he once was but he still had his moments. Hope he recovers and returns we know his numbers are real.

zjr1717
08-12-2010, 12:18 PM
Could be the end of the line for Chipper, he's 38 and he'll turn 39 at the beginning of next season. Great player and definite Hall of Famer IMO, always felt like he didn't get the attention he deserved and was underrated. Hopefully he comes back and can put up a couple more decent seasons.

GIDP
08-12-2010, 12:20 PM
I'd be surprised if he comes back in any fashion other than a bench guy.

One of the greatest switch hitters in the history of baseball. True Gamer.

bigredmechanism
08-12-2010, 12:41 PM
Career stats

.306 avg
2490 hits
436 hrs
1491 rbis
.941 ops

Is this HoF worthy?

Reds
08-12-2010, 12:43 PM
yeah, he'll go into the HoF someday.

zjr1717
08-12-2010, 12:56 PM
Career stats

.306 avg
2490 hits
436 hrs
1491 rbis
.941 ops

Is this HoF worthy?

Remember the guy could field his position and when it comes down to it he's quite possibly the best 3B of his era, only Scott Rolen can claim to be as good overall. Remember were not talking about a first baseman or a dh here, not as many 3b put up numbers like that.

Here are Chippers scores on the Hall of Fame statistics at Baseball Reference, the disparity between them is rather interesting.

Black Ink Batting - 4 (415), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink Batting - 109 (196), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 164 (68), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 66 (19), Average HOFer ≈ 50

Black Ink gives you points for leading the league in the major batting categories. More points are given for more flashy, important statistics, like homers rather than triples for instance. Gray Ink is similar but you get credit for being in the top 10 rather than just leading the league.

The final two are more complex but suffice to say you get points for milestones and awards you've won throughout your career. For a more detailed explanation see this link at BR (http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/leader_glossary.shtml#black_ink). Many here have probably seen these metrics and might know more about them but its always good to give some context and explanation.

Also for the fun of it here are Chippers similar batters...

1. Jeff Bagwell (884)
2. Larry Walker (846)
3. Duke Snider (844) *
4. Billy Williams (825) *
5. Eddie Mathews (823) *
6. Jim Rice (816) *
7. Vladimir Guerrero (815)
8. Dwight Evans (814)
9. Bernie Williams (809)
10. Mickey Mantle (807) *

Five Hall of Famers and three guys who range from ok shot to sure thing, not a bad list at all.

DocRed
08-12-2010, 01:01 PM
Depends if you think he was clean or not...and I'm not saying by any means that he isn't, it's just that, fair or not, every player that played in that era will be scrutinized in the same fashion.

Krawhitham
08-12-2010, 01:15 PM
he will get in at some point, it might be the veteran's committee

GIDP
08-12-2010, 01:34 PM
He probably gets the Larkin treatment.

ThornWithin81
08-12-2010, 02:32 PM
That'll be the end of his career. It is hard to watch the greats you grew up with go out.

Hey Meat
08-12-2010, 03:47 PM
Needless to say the Braves will be done.

RadfordVA
08-12-2010, 03:52 PM
Is a HOF in my view. Watched a lot of braves games during his time there as most ppl did. Injuries really take a lot from his overall numbers. Was one of the best switch hitters of all time

ThornWithin81
08-12-2010, 03:55 PM
Needless to say the Braves will be done.

They will? Chipper hasn't been that sharp this season and the Braves have the best record in the NL, or very close to it.

Chipper's rankings on the team:

AVG: 7th (.265)
RBI: 4th (46)
HR: 5th (10)
Total Bases: 5th (135)
Fielding Pct: 32nd (.952)
Errors: T-1st (10)

This certainly doesn't help the Braves but I doubt it is a serious blow to their playoff chances. He's hardly the player he was in his prime.

knoonan991
08-12-2010, 04:26 PM
What a shame if this the way Chipper has to go out.

He's been one of the most consistent players in baseball ever since his first year, not too many guys can say that.

He's a sure HOFer, and was a joy to watch.

ThornWithin81
08-12-2010, 04:28 PM
What a shame if this the way Chipper has to go out.

He's been one of the most consistent players in baseball ever since his first year, not too many guys can say that.

He's a sure HOFer, and was a joy to watch.

It is a shame, but it is still better than losing your playing time and falling asleep in the dugout.

brm7675
08-12-2010, 04:44 PM
I don't see his loss as huge for the Braves this season, he has been a shell of his former self this season.

redsfan_12
08-12-2010, 04:55 PM
That'll be the end of his career. It is hard to watch the greats you grew up with go out.

Yes it is. Chipper and Ryan Klesko used to be two of my favorite players.

Vottomatic
08-12-2010, 05:59 PM
Just another break for the Cardinals to make their road even easier than their remaining schedule already is.

zjr1717
08-12-2010, 08:51 PM
I don't see his loss as huge for the Braves this season, he has been a shell of his former self this season.

A shell of his former HOF caliber self is still an above average player it seems. His OPS+ is 118 and he's amassed a 2.3 WAR to this point in the season. He's on pace to be a 3 win player, even at the age of 38. He also brings a few things that can't be quantified to the table, the Braves will definitely miss him.

Sham
08-12-2010, 09:26 PM
Didn't read the thread, did Cueto spike him? He's lucky he wasn't killed.

zjr1717
08-12-2010, 09:46 PM
Didn't read the thread, did Cueto spike him? He's lucky he wasn't killed.

Seriously?

Sham
08-12-2010, 09:52 PM
Seriously?

Hey read pujolsmvp's post on the Cueto suspension thread, it's very persuasive. The guy(?) makes a great point.

zjr1717
08-12-2010, 09:54 PM
Hey read pujolsmvp's post on the Cueto suspension thread, it's very persuasive.

Oh how I wish I had the time to wade through all that crap. :rolleyes:

mlh1981
08-12-2010, 11:04 PM
He played 15-plus years with the same team, under the same manager.

I wonder how many other players in history can make that claim?

Krawhitham
08-13-2010, 02:44 PM
Wonder what they would give for Juan Francisco we got Rolen through 2012 with a full no trade clause.

I believe if they send Juan Francisco down to AAA he would not have to go through waivers.

Or do we just let him rot for 2 more years, they tried LF with him and it was not pretty

1990REDS
08-13-2010, 04:28 PM
Really hope he comes back next year. i think he desereves to walk off the diamond one last time under his own power.