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gmt
08-13-2010, 02:58 PM
I hear Cueto has appealed his suspension. I think many figured he would. I see two scenarios that are good or bad. His suspension is upheld the day before he is scheduled to start he misses 7 games encompassing 2 potential starts. Or he starts one day and his suspension begins the next, effectively only missing one start. Depending on the timing, it's good for the Reds or bad. He won't get the suspension removed, maybe reduced, but maybe remains the same. The longer this drags out I believe the worse it affects the Reds.

Reds
08-13-2010, 03:12 PM
First I've heard of him appealing it... usually, if I remember correctly, he'll go on an off day and talk to the commish about it...

texasdave
08-13-2010, 03:14 PM
If they talk to all the participants before making the initial ruling, I wonder what else Cueto could add in his appeal? I am just assuming they talk to everyone first, maybe they don't.

Reds
08-13-2010, 03:16 PM
Do they take away pay for the 7 games? If so, I could see him doing this so it gets reduced to 5. It wouldn't change the fact he missed a start, but it would save him 2 games worth of pay -- if they deduct it. Or maybe they just want him for this weekend and will deal with the suspension later..

Just guesses, I know very little about suspensions.

gmt
08-13-2010, 03:21 PM
I don't know if they talk to anyone unless they are appealing as well. I'm not sure what Cueto can say to make his case any better. Reagrdless of whose "fault" it may be touted, he is the only one who used an excessively violent means in the incident. I know athletes do not tend to apologize for their actions, but I think it would be appropriate for him to say something like: In the heat of the mob scene I lost my cool, i shouldn't have kicked out which resulted in unintentional injuries. That may help to either reduce the suspension or maybe cool the tension.

Reds
08-13-2010, 03:23 PM
Where did you see/hear that he was going to appeal gmt?

gmt
08-13-2010, 03:30 PM
Hey Reds, I thought I saw it on the internet, but now I can't find it. I'll keep looking. Other than money reasons, it's probably best if he just serves the time out. IMO, at best he would only get a reduction in suspension.

Reds
08-13-2010, 03:33 PM
I can't find it either gmt, do you have inside information you're withholding? ;)

gmt
08-13-2010, 03:35 PM
Hey I wish I had insider info. With all the stuff that's written on forums, blogs, message boards, etc, it's hard to separate the real from the fantasy!

Girevik
08-13-2010, 03:36 PM
He could also make his next start and then drop the appeal and start serving the suspension the next day. That would potentially allow him to not really "miss" a start, just push it back a couple of days.

gmt
08-13-2010, 03:41 PM
I don't think he can start again unless he appeals. That would be too easy and obvious to everyone he is trying to get around the system if he appeals and the drops it after his next start.

Reds
08-13-2010, 04:00 PM
Homer Bailey says he is starting Sunday. That means Johnny Cueto is not appealing. -jfay

So this is really a dead issue.

redlegs2370
08-13-2010, 04:09 PM
So this is really a dead issue.

Until the Cardinal fans come back on here and complain about Cueto appealing his suspension. :bash::bash:

gmt
08-13-2010, 04:13 PM
So by Monday, half of the suspension could be served. For his team's own good, Cueto should just serve out the suspension. Best to play ball and just leave it in the past.

redlegs2370
08-13-2010, 04:18 PM
So by Monday, half of the suspension could be served. For his team's own good, Cueto should just serve out the suspension. Best to play ball and just leave it in the past.

Maybe they are waiting for Wood or Harang to be back. If it gets pushed back to September then the roster will expand. Just a guess.

gmt
08-13-2010, 04:23 PM
If Cueto is considered one of the top pitchers in the rotation, I think it's better to get it over with and deal with rotation shuffling with him in it in Sept rather than him be missing from the equation. I don't think an appeal would carry on until September anyway.

mckbearcat48
08-13-2010, 04:26 PM
Most guys do appeal suspensions these days. The PA will appeal on his behalf. He can pitch while appealing if he goes that route.

bshall2105
08-13-2010, 04:28 PM
Most guys do appeal suspensions these days. The PA will appeal on his behalf. He can pitch while appealing if he goes that route.

If he appeals and loses he will be suspended at a much less convenient time than right now. If we were in a stretch of like 20 games in a row I would want him to appeal, but with the off day he should just sit it out.

redlegs2370
08-13-2010, 04:29 PM
If Cueto is considered one of the top pitchers in the rotation, I think it's better to get it over with and deal with rotation shuffling with him in it in Sept rather than him be missing from the equation. I don't think an appeal would carry on until September anyway.

I see your point but do the Reds need him pitching against Florida and the Dodgers. You have to think about the wild card. Now saying that I hope I didn't jinx him for his next two starts. :pray:

mckbearcat48
08-13-2010, 04:31 PM
If he appeals and loses he will be suspended at a much less convenient time than right now. If we were in a stretch of like 20 games in a row I would want him to appeal, but with the off day he should just sit it out.

Yes, that is the downside of an appeal. Depending on how your rotation sets up over the next week or so, it may be in the Reds interest to go ahead and have him serve it. The PA can then appeal the monetary aspect without hurting the Reds' chances.

bshall2105
08-13-2010, 04:40 PM
Apparently we play a man short when there is a suspension. I know somebody asked about that on another thread.

texasdave
08-13-2010, 04:50 PM
Apparently we play a man short when there is a suspension. I know somebody asked about that on another thread.

So when Manny got suspended for 50 games the Dodgers had to play a man short for a third of the season? I am not saying you are wrong, but that seems a bit excessive.

bshall2105
08-13-2010, 04:52 PM
So when Manny got suspended for 50 games the Dodgers had to play a man short for a third of the season? I am not saying you are wrong, but that seems a bit excessive.

Jim Day's twiiter is where I got that. I forgot to put the source. I figured that we would get an extra player too.

Reds
08-13-2010, 05:00 PM
So when Manny got suspended for 50 games the Dodgers had to play a man short for a third of the season? I am not saying you are wrong, but that seems a bit excessive.

I thought the same thing, I've found other cases of up to 10 days where teams play short, not sure out the Dodgers past situation.

10xWSChamps
08-13-2010, 05:12 PM
If he appeals and loses he will be suspended at a much less convenient time than right now. If we were in a stretch of like 20 games in a row I would want him to appeal, but with the off day he should just sit it out.

What difference would it make?

If anything, the extra off days could potentially make him miss more then 1 start, although that's doubtful unless the Reds have like 4 days off in the next 7 game stretch

foxfire123
08-13-2010, 06:33 PM
According to Reds Live, Cueto starts his suspension tonight, can't even be at the ballpark, and the Reds can't replace him on the roster.

bshall2105
08-14-2010, 12:12 AM
What difference would it make?

If anything, the extra off days could potentially make him miss more then 1 start, although that's doubtful unless the Reds have like 4 days off in the next 7 game stretch

The bulpen will be fresh and Homer Bailey's rehab is ending right now, so they won't have to make a decision on who's left out of the rotation for a few more days.