Marlins at reds/ 8-14-10

[rolenmvp]

lineups to be posted soon, if anybody can post them it would be appreciated.

[mu4103]

lineups to be posted soon, if anybody can post them it would be appreciated.

Where do you guys find the line-ups from? You post them so early (just wondering).

[rolenmvp]

I don't know, I usually get mine from john fay but he hasn't posted them yet.

[knoonan991]

Phillips 2B
Heisey RF
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Gomes LF
Stubbs CF
Hernandez C
Janish SS
Leake P

[knoonan991]

Where do you guys find the line-ups from? You post them so early (just wondering).

I follow Jim Day, John Fay, and Cincinnati Reds twitters.

One of them will usually have the lineup posted between 3-3:30

[rolenmvp]

REDS

Phillips 4

Heisey 9

Votto 3

Rolen 5

Gomes 7

Stubbs 8

RHernandez 2

Janish 6

Leake 1

[rolenmvp]

looks like gomes is back in the lineup.

[mu4103]

REDS

Phillips 4

Heisey 9

Votto 3

Rolen 5

Gomes 7

Stubbs 8

RHernandez 2

Janish 6

Leake 1

Heisey is hitting .167 against lefties (54 AB) and .393 against righties (56 AB). Strange platoon Dusty tries.

[GIDP]

Heisey is hitting .167 against lefties (54 AB) and .393 against righties (56 AB). Strange platoon Dusty tries.

the amount of ABs makes that stat flat out useless basically.


It is weird that Jim Edmonds some how turned it all into a straight platoon. Dusty never really platooned Gomes, or Bruce. But now that edmonds is around hes perfectly fine with platooning all 3. Its like he didnt want to hurt anyones feelings so he wouldnt platoon guys. So wierd.

[redsfan_12]

I hope we get a good performance from Leake tonight.

[mu4103]

the amount of ABs makes that stat flat out useless basically.


It is weird that Jim Edmonds some how turned it all into a straight platoon. Dusty never really platooned Gomes, or Bruce. But now that edmonds is around hes perfectly fine with platooning all 3. Its like he didnt want to hurt anyones feelings so he wouldnt platoon guys. So wierd.

I agree, but as I said Gomes, has always had huge left handed vs. right-handed splits. After doing some research, Heisey's minor league numbers are about even although up until this year he was better vs. lefties (.929 OPS vs. 801 OPS). Nix has a pretty big career split righty (.249) vs. lefty (.194). Bruce has somewhat of a split career (right .262, left .214) and season (left .242, right .268). Stubbs has virtually identical season (.235 and .236) and career stats vs. righties and lefties.

Obviously Gomes, (.275 - L and .232 - R) and Edmonds (.252 - L and .296 - R) have tremondous splits. I am going to post the numbers on a seperate thread though, becuase I think it is interesting to look at the OF splits. I still disagree with the platoons though. I think Heisey should be playing everyday center.

[GIDP]

The problem with Gomes is that if hes playing against righties his play in the field is going to hurt you more over all compared to a good defender.

I was hoping Edmonds and Gomes would be the platoon with some starts in CF and RF for Edmonds on random days. It appears though that Edmonds is the platoon in RF and CF, and now Nix playing time is increased some how. So wierd that the Reds add a LH bat and it increases the playing time for the other LH bat.

[texasdave]

the amount of ABs makes that stat flat out useless basically.


It is weird that Jim Edmonds some how turned it all into a straight platoon. Dusty never really platooned Gomes, or Bruce. But now that edmonds is around hes perfectly fine with platooning all 3. Its like he didnt want to hurt anyones feelings so he wouldnt platoon guys. So wierd.

It is a bit odd that now Dusty is the platoon-master. Let's hope it works. Jay should play every day. His bat is heating up.

[GIDP]

I would play Bruce every day and PH him more against lefty relievers. Thats where his huge split is more than anything. He hits LH starters at a good enough rate that I wouldnt want to remove his glove from the OF D.

[rolenmvp]

we could be looking at a rain delay to start the game.

[texasdave]

Jon Jay must have a four-leaf clover taped to the barrel of his bat. Good for him. Some of his numbers are mind-numbing.

All of these numbers were extracted from www.baseball-reference.com.

First number that jumps out is his .413 BABIP. Yikes! One would think that would be unsustainable but he keeps on. This next stat is equally amazing. Baseball-reference has Jon Jay hitting 22 line drives this year and 21 of them have fallen for hits. :eek: His line drive percentage (17%) is below the league average (19%), but almost every single line drive that he has hit has fallen in.

Below is a chart showing what the league average for the different batted ball types are compared to what Jay's batting average is:



HIT NL AVE J. JAY
GB 0.235 0.306
FB 0.219 0.325
LD 0.727 0.955


He is batting .955 on line drives!

[GIDP]

It really is insane isnt it? rofl

[arkimadee]

geeze another delay

[rolenmvp]

7:25 gametime.

[arkimadee]

is that vagasil on leakes hat?

[rolenmvp]

is that vagasil on leakes hat?

it sure looks like it.

[rolenmvp]

well it's gametime fellas...

[rolenmvp]

hanley ramirez will lead it off, leake pitching.

[rolenmvp]

nice crowd too.

[rolenmvp]

1-1 on hanley.

[rolenmvp]

hanley rips one into left with a single, nobody out. leadoff hit

[rolenmvp]

morrison up.

[rolenmvp]

morrison groundsout to 2nd. hanley moves to 2nd, 1 out for sanchez.

[rolenmvp]

sanchez walks. 2 on 1 out for uggla.

[arkimadee]

leake not looking good so far

[rolenmvp]

leake falling behind in the count, to hitters.

[rolenmvp]

1-1 on uggla.

[arkimadee]

nice pitch

[rolenmvp]

1-2 on uggla.

[arkimadee]

good recovery.. one more to go

[rolenmvp]

uggla strikesout. 2 on 2 out for ross.

[rolenmvp]

ross flies out to right, marlins strand 2. middle of the 1st, no score.

[arkimadee]

nice... let's get to this guy early

[Krawhitham]

So is Bruce now a platoon player?

[rolenmvp]

is my pbp okay arki?

[rolenmvp]

phillips will lead it off against west. west's era is 7 plus. great time for a good offensive showing tonight.

[rolenmvp]

0-1 to phillips.

[arkimadee]

So is Bruce now a platoon player?
sure looks that way

[rolenmvp]

phillips in the hole, 0-2.

[rolenmvp]

groundout to uggla, 1 down for the reds.

[rolenmvp]

heisey up.

[arkimadee]

padres threatning.. 1st and third in the 11th

[rolenmvp]

heisey in a battle right now..

[rolenmvp]

full count on heisey.

[rolenmvp]

groundout to ss, 2 down.

[rolenmvp]

single for votto!!

[takealeake]

There we go Joey.

[rolenmvp]

this west kid looks pretty solid soo far.

[rolenmvp]

rolen is in a fight right now, he's battling.

[rolenmvp]

rolen struck out.

[rolenmvp]

san fran is going to win this thing. leadoff double for posey. I like that kid.

[rolenmvp]

another hit for the marlins.

[rolenmvp]

giants win. walkoff single uribe

[rolenmvp]

leake doesn't have his stuff tonight.

[Redlegs_87]

nice play by Janish there.

[takealeake]

Nice play by Janish, one Cabrera wouldn't have made.

[rolenmvp]

yes it was.

[rolenmvp]

nice play stubbs...

[rolenmvp]

they almost picked stanton off 2nd.

[rolenmvp]

nice play by janish.

[arkimadee]

giants win 3-2.. dang

[takealeake]

"Janish will have to hurry"

::Camera cuts to first where the pitcher is walking to the bag::

:laugh: Keels.

[AintlifeGrande]

Nice play by Janish, one Cabrera wouldn't have made.

Speculation.

[rolenmvp]

giants win 3-2.. dang

can't worry about the gnats, we gotta worry about our game. all we have to do is win series and we will be fine.

[takealeake]

Speculation.

Cabrera would have done his unnecessary fall back into the outfield throw and wouldn't have near enough on it to get the out.

[AintlifeGrande]

He's made some hella plays though.

[rolenmvp]

nice crowd tonight.

[rolenmvp]

he was safe!!!

[takealeake]

What bull. He was safe.

[rolenmvp]

he's safe...

[knoonan991]

Just barely got him.

[rolenmvp]

our first pitch swinging crap is making me mad.

[AintlifeGrande]

our first pitch swinging crap is making me mad.

Dusty 101.Hack Away!

[knoonan991]

If the guy throws strikes, I have no problem with first pitch swinging.

[rolenmvp]

inning over. end of 2, no score.

[rolenmvp]

interesting stat, the phillies finally score a run in new york, they have been shutout everytime they have been there this year, that's amazing.

[rolenmvp]

1 pitch 1 out.

[rolenmvp]

2 down.

[rolenmvp]

where was that pitch?

[rolenmvp]

walk to sanchez. uggla up with 2 outs.

[arkimadee]

that 2-2 pitch was a definite, MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM from Paul Keels

[rolenmvp]

3-1 on uggla.

[ThornWithin81]

I cannot stand Paul Keels.

[rolenmvp]

back to back walks.

[rolenmvp]

I cannot stand Paul Keels.

who doesn't haha.

[takealeake]

He should have been out of this inning a batter ago. Stupid freaking ump.

[rolenmvp]

this ump isn't good at all, missed maybe 2 or 3 pitches.

[rolenmvp]

that was close..

[rolenmvp]

now leake, my nerves are growing weary with you.:rolleyes:

[takealeake]

This is the typical Mike Leake bad luck inning, I'm telling you, it never fails.

[arkimadee]

cody bailed him out on that pitch

[takealeake]

If he can get out of this inning I bet he pitches well the rest of the way, bad breaks always hit him though in this position.

[rolenmvp]

full count, big pitch here.

[arkimadee]

nice pitch...

[rolenmvp]

GOT HIM!!

[takealeake]

YES!! There we go. Mike finally got a break.

[rolenmvp]

did anybody see the cubs game today? where brenden ryan popped up the bunt and koyie hill dropped it then, does it again and koyie hill caught it? I Tell ya I would have been embarrassed if I was ryan

[rolenmvp]

2-0 on janish.

[rolenmvp]

double....

[takealeake]

SS bats 8th dude.

[takealeake]

Comeon don't bunt with Leake, he is a beast at the plate.

[rolenmvp]

we need a big inning here takealeake, a huge one.

[rolenmvp]

yessssssssssss

[takealeake]

LOL! Bunt still worked. That's why Leake is awesome.

[rolenmvp]

come on BP!!!

[ThornWithin81]

did anybody see the cubs game today? where brenden ryan popped up the bunt and koyie hill dropped it then, does it again and koyie hill caught it? I Tell ya I would have been embarrassed if I was ryan

I have never heard Cardinals fans boo their own player like that before. I'd be irate if a Red made the same bad plays in that spot. All you can do is bunt... you better learn how to do it right.

Ryan seems so worthless.

[takealeake]

Man that 3rd base ump is getting is money's worth today thats for sure, LOL.

[ThornWithin81]

Keels is rubbing off on the Cowboy. Oh no.

[takealeake]

What the ..?

[rolenmvp]

that was a terrible call...this ump stinks.

[Krawhitham]

Swinging for the fences with 2 strikes

WHY

[rolenmvp]

1 down with runners on the corner.

[rolenmvp]

if we don't score here, I am going to be pissed.

[rolenmvp]

GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rolenmvp]

this pitcher sucks too.

[takealeake]

This team could learn to choke up on the bat.

[ThornWithin81]

Why in the world are we swinging for the fences?

[rolenmvp]

this guy's strikezone sucks...

[takealeake]

this guy's strikezone sucks...

Definitely. It's like a foot too high.

[rolenmvp]

we sucked that inning.

[arkimadee]

good lord

[ThornWithin81]

The top of the order strikes out with a runner 90 feet away.

That's hard to take.

[takealeake]

We need a new hitting coach, srsly.

[rolenmvp]

The top of the order strikes out with a runner 90 feet away.

That's hard to take.

we can't play for them. it's just sad, most good playoff teams convert in situations like that.

[knoonan991]

We need a new hitting coach, srsly.

Yeah, best offense in the NL is in need of a new hitting coach.:rolleyes:

[rolenmvp]

rolen is such a good 3rd basemen.

[arkimadee]

well that's some bad news.. we got keels for a few weeks

[rolenmvp]

the guy behind the plate is phil cuzzi. explains it.

[rolenmvp]

nice play by janish.

[arkimadee]

can we not get a stupid 1-2-3 inning

[takealeake]

Yeah, best offense in the NL is in need of a new hitting coach.:rolleyes:

Sure isn't anything due to the coaching.

[rolenmvp]

good job there by leake.

[knoonan991]

Leake getting it done tonight.

[rolenmvp]

we need some runs...

[rolenmvp]

kentucky basketball!! gonna be a great year!!!!

[rolenmvp]

you guys see the top recruit they got last night?? that 2011 class is going to be lethal.

[takealeake]

you guys see the top recruit they got last night?? that 2011 class is going to be lethal.

$200K goes a long ways these days.

[arkimadee]

kentucky basketball!! gonna be a great year!!!!
on a 7pm tomorrow night!

[rolenmvp]

brandon knight is going to be fun to watch arki. I watched him live, guy shoots three pointers at a 60 percent clip. as I type this, back to back walks.

[rolenmvp]

come on stubbsy!!!

[takealeake]

Back to back walks.

[arkimadee]

brandon knight is going to be fun to watch arki. I watched him live, guy shoots three pointers at a 60 percent clip. as I type this, back to back walks.
I really think the missing link last year was a good three point shooter... another rally for the Red Legs here.. hope they can get something out of this

[rolenmvp]

west is not even close to the strikezone.

[arkimadee]

if i'm stubbs i make him throw me strike 3

[rolenmvp]

swinging for the fences...

[arkimadee]

nice at bat stubbs... thank god he didn't strike out

[rolenmvp]

sacrifice fly???? keels your terrible....

[takealeake]

I really hate this ump. That was ball 4 on that first strike.

[takealeake]

Yeahhhh!! THE BAD GUY.

[arkimadee]

NICE! way to go 1st to third!!!!

[rolenmvp]

nice hustle by gomes....

[arkimadee]

look at that !!!!!! that's playoff baseball

[takealeake]

Niceee. Good job Janish!

[rolenmvp]

nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rolenmvp]

that's playoff baseball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[arkimadee]

the scoreboard guy didn't get the memo that it's 2-0

[rolenmvp]

that bunt almost took his legs out....

[takealeake]

Yeahhh!! Mike Leake!

[rolenmvp]

another run!!!!!!! LEAKE!!!

[arkimadee]

NICE Leake!!!!!

[rolenmvp]

end of 4. reds 3 marlins 0.

[arkimadee]

3-0 Reds... We did everything right in that inning.. outstanding base running, good eyes at the plate, great bunt and good clutch hitting ....

[AintlifeGrande]

I think Keels is keeping score on the tv,took took over a minute for the score to change to 2-0 on the screen.

[takealeake]

Hopefully if this inning goes smooth and another two good innings from Mike puts the whole fatigue argument to rest.

[rolenmvp]

I think Keels is keeping score on the tv,took took over a minute for the score to change to 2-0 on the screen.

you hear him a minute ago? he said stubbs hit a sac fly...the guy is pitiful at announcing.

[rolenmvp]

what in the heck was that??

[knoonan991]

Hopefully if this inning goes smooth and another two good innings from Mike puts the whole fatigue argument to rest.

:thumbup:

I honestly think the guy just needs regularly scheduled starts.

All of these extra off days cause a pitcher's sharpness to wear off.

[rolenmvp]

uggla drills it!!! 3-2 game.

[arkimadee]

man uggla is a beast.. i didn't think we would keep him quiet the whole series

[rolenmvp]

ya know arki? I'd love to have uggla.

[arkimadee]

ya know arki? I'd love to have uggla.
without a doubt

[rolenmvp]

what a scoop by votto, heading to middle of 5, reds 3 marlins 2.

[arkimadee]

big scoop there... well we need to play add on..

[takealeake]

Phillips is playing like crap ever since he talked crap. Time to wake up dude.

[DocRed]

Phillips is playing like crap ever since he talked crap. Time to wake up dude.

It's been longer than that....take a look at his stats since the AS break.

[arkimadee]

sucks that thom broke his leg.. i'll be ready to choke keels by the time he comes back

[rolenmvp]

arki....did you hear keels earlier? said stubbs hits a sac fly to right..hahahaah

[takealeake]

Ahhh ... so close to a home run.

[rolenmvp]

runners on the corners!!!!! let's open up this lead!!

[rolenmvp]

here comes my man!!! rolen..

[Kingspoint]

Is Leake done? He's at 90 pitches and they've been holding him to that the last month.

[takealeake]

And Votto gets the SB probably ticked he didn't run that last ball out, LOL.

[rolenmvp]

nice job by votto...what a jump...

[rolenmvp]

2-1 to scotty...

[rolenmvp]

he was safe!!!!!!!!!!

[rolenmvp]

nm, he was out. looked closer than it appeared..

[takealeake]

Nah he was out, but it was a good effort.

[rolenmvp]

rolen is such a good hitter in the clutch.

[knoonan991]

What a horrible decision by Mark Berry.

I have no idea how he still has a job.

Instead of 1st and 3rd with 0 outs, it's now 1st with 1 out.


Making the first out at home is just stupid.

[rolenmvp]

gomes is due...

[rolenmvp]

gomes needs to be DFA'D ASAP!

[takealeake]

What a horrible decision by Mark Berry.

I have no idea how he still has a job.

Instead of 1st and 3rd with 0 outs, it's now 1st with 1 out.


Making the first out at home is just stupid.

Berry does suck at his job. I thought I read a stat earlier this year that he's one of the worst at getting players thrown out.

[rolenmvp]

end of 5 reds 4 marlins 2.

[Krawhitham]

please don't send Leake back out

5 hits, 3 walks and 90 pitches after 5 innings. He has been lucky not good

[malcontent]

What a horrible decision by Mark Berry.
I have no idea how he still has a job.

Totally agree. It's been a mystery for years.

Berry killed that inning. Blood all over his uni.

[rolenmvp]

NO WESTERN TIMEZONE!!!! I nominate it.

[takealeake]

Leake is out of gas.

[rolenmvp]

helms homerun reds lead 4-3.

[ThornWithin81]

Damnit.

[GIDP]

Must make every pitcher throw 100 pitches aaraaaaaawr

[Dale4Saul2Red0]

Face it guys Leake peaked. Time to get the kid out of the rotation.

[rolenmvp]

Face it guys Leake peaked. Time to get the kid out of the rotation.

time to bring in bailey.

[Maker_84]

Face it guys Leake peaked. Time to get the kid out of the rotation.

i agree, he's terrible now

[takealeake]

LOL wow.

[rolenmvp]

did't even hit him..

[Trace's Daddy]

what's the on field delay?

[ThornWithin81]

Yes, it did hit him. What a bad call.

[rolenmvp]

I could't tell from the camera angle or I am blind one.

[takealeake]

Yes, it did hit him. What a bad call.

I think the point was he swung, therefore you can't get a HBP when you're swinging like that.

[rolenmvp]

inning over, middle of 6 reds 4 marlins 3

[takealeake]

Well if that's Leake's last inning it's a quality start for him. We need more runs though so we don't have to worry about you know who emerging from the pen in the 9th in a one run game.

[rolenmvp]

coco blow blow, is that his name?

[knoonan991]

i agree, he's terrible now

Terrible?:eek:

[ThornWithin81]

I think the point was he swung, therefore you can't get a HBP when you're swinging like that.

There's no way he swung.

[rolenmvp]

whatever happened to our little man ray olmedo? I could never stand that guy at second base.

[takealeake]

There's no way he swung.

If it went over home plate he did, I couldn't tell from the camera. It looked close. Either way, screw it, we've gotten the shaft by the ump all game, so thats just a minor makeup.

[Kingspoint]

"Brandon Phillips",

"You are Redickerous!"

[ThornWithin81]

If it went over home plate he did, I couldn't tell from the camera. It looked close. Either way, screw it, we've gotten the shaft by the ump all game, so thats just a minor makeup.

Uh, no. We beaned a guy, he held up easily and he was called out on strikes.

Easily one of the worst calls I've ever seen. And we haven't "gotten the shaft" all night.

[rolenmvp]

sir arthur!!!

[takealeake]

Uh, no. We beaned a guy, he held up easily and he was called out on strikes.

Easily one of the worst calls I've ever seen. And we haven't "gotten the shaft" all night.

Uh, yes we have. Leake not getting obvious strike calls and we're getting K'ed on junk pitches a foot higher than the zone. And no replay showed if his swing was over the plate, I don't give a where his bat was at, you can hold your bat back and still cross the plate with your hands, that's still a swing.

[rolenmvp]

leadoff double.

[rolenmvp]

what the heck was stubbs doing?

[rolenmvp]

my goodness, where is this ump tonight???

[rolenmvp]

this inning could get ugly.

[rolenmvp]

hahahah get back morrison..

[takealeake]

This sucks, are we seriously going to blow this game .. really?

[rolenmvp]

walked him. 2 on nobody out.

[rolenmvp]

This sucks, are we seriously going to blow this game .. really?

you can't win em all...

[rolenmvp]

ohh boy masset coming on.

[takealeake]

you can't win em all...

We better be winning these if we want to be in the playoffs. Already have blown too many of them this year.

[arkimadee]

Massett will strike out the side here

[rolenmvp]

Massett will strike out the side here

arki...please don't make me laugh on that?? are you serious....

[rolenmvp]

1-1 on sanchez.

[takealeake]

We've left 3 runs on the plate going back to the 1st and 3rd no one out 3 straight K's, and the ill advised sending Votto home play.

[rolenmvp]

1-2 on sanchez.

[arkimadee]

god this ump is horrible

[rolenmvp]

that was a strike.

[ThornWithin81]

Paul Keels is hilarious. That wasn't even close to a strike.

[takealeake]

Awesome!

[arkimadee]

arki...please don't make me laugh on that?? are you serious....
even better

[rolenmvp]

WOWOWOWOW

[takealeake]

Would have been awesome to get a triple play there, LOL.

[rolenmvp]

not out of the woods yet. btw that ball was smoked by sanchez.

[ThornWithin81]

Uh, yes we have. Leake not getting obvious strike calls and we're getting K'ed on junk pitches a foot higher than the zone. And no replay showed if his swing was over the plate, I don't give a where his bat was at, you can hold your bat back and still cross the plate with your hands, that's still a swing.

The ball hit him and he did not swing. The ORG agrees with me. Go scan over their chatter thread.

Awful call, period.

[arkimadee]

not a bad idea to pitch around uggla here