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batsfan
08-17-2010, 06:45 PM
According to today's Bats game notes today,

Juan Francisco was activated
Chris Denove was sent to AA
Devin Mesoraco was assgined to AAA
Jason Isringhausen was put on the the DL
Jerry Gil was promoted to AAA.

The first four moves were expected, and should benefit the Bats tremendously in their quest for the division/wild card. So it is hard to complain about the Reds only using the Bats for player development, and not helping them win in a pennant race. But the Gil promotion does not help the Bats win, or help develop a player that could conceivably help the Reds.

Gil has walked 53 batters in 56 AAA innings. In his last 10 games he has walked 13 in 13.1 innings. His other peripherals are decent, and he must have had some luck, as his ERA is 4.66, but he clearly has yet to gain anything close to AA level control, and this fault makes him nowhere near being able to help the Bats, let alone the Reds in the near future. Guys like Joe Krebs and Lee Tabor - or pretty much anyone in the Carolina bullpen - would help the Bats more, and could even help the Reds soon. Could someone explain why Gil was brought up instead of Krebs?

dougdirt
08-17-2010, 06:47 PM
According to today's Bats game notes today,

Juan Francisco was activated
Chris Denove was sent to AA
Devin Mesoraco was assgined to AAA
Jason Isringhausen was put on the the DL
Jerry Gil was promoted to AAA.

The first four moves were expected, and should benefit the Bats tremendously in their quest for the division/wild card. So it is hard to complain about the Reds only using the Bats for player development, and not helping them win in a pennant race. But the Gil promotion does not help the Bats win, or help develop a player that could conceivably help the Reds.

Gil has walked 53 batters in 56 AAA innings. In his last 10 games he has walked 13 in 13.1 innings. His other peripherals are decent, and he must have had some luck, as his ERA is 4.66, but he clearly has yet to gain anything close to AA level control, and this fault makes him nowhere near being able to help the Bats, let alone the Reds in the near future. Guys like Joe Krebs and Lee Tabor - or pretty much anyone in the Carolina bullpen - would help the Bats more, and could even help the Reds soon. Could someone explain why Gil was brought up instead of Krebs?
Maybe the Reds want Gil to work with Ted Power on something that the other guys don't need to work on.

GIDP
08-17-2010, 06:50 PM
A lot of these moves arent always performance based.

I think a lot of the reason Mes got promoted was not because of how he has been hitting but because they wanted him to be around Power, Sweet, MLB relievers, and Corky Miller.

nemesis
08-17-2010, 07:03 PM
A lot of these moves aren't always performance based.

I think a lot of the reason Mes got promoted was not because of how he has been hitting but because they wanted him to be around Power, Sweet, MLB relievers, and Corky Miller.

+1. His bat is there. Working with Corky and calling a game with former and future ML pitchers will help him moving foward. Conceivably if he does ok for the last 2 weeks and playoffs in AAA and does well in the AFL he might be given an opportunity to make the OD roster.

mace
08-17-2010, 07:10 PM
In the case of Gil, it could be that they wanted to see him against better competition in order to make a determination on his 40-man status at the end of the year. It doesn't seem like he'd be a strong candidate for the 40, but they might feel that they at least owe him a look.

lollipopcurve
08-17-2010, 07:31 PM
If Gil has the kind of arm he's been reputed to have, it makes sense for the Reds to continue to challenge him and get him with more coaches, as GIDP says.

sabometrics
08-17-2010, 07:36 PM
Gil is the converted infielder right?

nemesis
08-17-2010, 08:29 PM
Gil is the converted infielder right?

Correct. A former SS who supposedly gets it up to around 98.

IslandRed
08-17-2010, 09:16 PM
Or, it could be that they've decided Gil is expendable and he's just a filler arm for the back of the bullpen. Isringhausen only threw 5.2 innings in three weeks, it's not like his DL trip is creating a huge opening for someone.

dougdirt
08-17-2010, 11:11 PM
Correct. A former SS who supposedly gets it up to around 98.

I didn't see him there this past week, but he was 91-93 on the scout guns.

cinreds21
08-17-2010, 11:32 PM
Yea, I dunno about Gil hitting 98. The hardest throwers for the Mudcats this year have been Valiquette and I believe Medina who throw 96. Gil may be around 94

dougdirt
08-17-2010, 11:58 PM
Yea, I dunno about Gil hitting 98. The hardest throwers for the Mudcats this year have been Valiquette and I believe Medina who throw 96. Gil may be around 94

Gotta toss Boxberger in there. He was hitting 96 last week for the Mudcats. Valiquette is the hardest thrower this year though, hitting 100.

Heath
08-18-2010, 12:11 AM
One of these days, Phillippe Valiquette is going to find some control.

cinreds21
08-18-2010, 12:31 AM
Gotta toss Boxberger in there. He was hitting 96 last week for the Mudcats. Valiquette is the hardest thrower this year though, hitting 100.

What radar are you going off of with the 100?

dougdirt
08-18-2010, 12:34 AM
What radar are you going off of with the 100?

The Baseball America gun.

cinreds21
08-18-2010, 12:49 AM
The Baseball America gun.

Ok. Bout to say the Mudcats "speed pitch" in right field is way off, didn't know if you were going by that or not. I haven't seen him pop 100, wish I had though :(

But on another note on Val, he's quite an interesting dude. It's funny/interesting to watch.

batsfan
08-18-2010, 12:30 PM
One of these days, Phillippe Valiquette is going to find some control.

I have been completely unimpressed by his control. Some games he can not come even close to hitting the strike zone. I still remember a game the Bats lost in extras due to a walk-off wild pitch thrown by Valiquette ON AN INTENTIONAL BALL :eek:.

dougdirt
08-18-2010, 01:07 PM
Ok. Bout to say the Mudcats "speed pitch" in right field is way off, didn't know if you were going by that or not. I haven't seen him pop 100, wish I had though :(


It is interesting, the stadium gun. I compared it often with the Reds and scouts gun while I was there. It is a lot more accurate with some guys than others. Brad Boxberger for example matched up within 1 MPH probably 80% of the time on his fastball, while Klinker and Carroll were consistently off 3-4 MPH from the stadium gun on their fastball. I wonder if it has to do with the positioning of the gun, which is located in the press box up on the 4th floor and how it picks up the ball on guys.

muddie
08-18-2010, 01:27 PM
I am very surprised to hear that Boxberger was that close to the outfield speed gun in comparison. I've commented on several occasions that I didn't think he was even close after reading his speed on some of his pitches on the board. Interesting.

cinreds21
08-18-2010, 02:23 PM
Yea it is how the gun is positioned as to why it sucks It is up top in front of the box and it just catches everything that goes by and it just is in a horrible spot to even think about being accurate.

TStuck
08-19-2010, 12:57 AM
Nice AAA debuts for both Mes and Gil
Mesoraco: 2-4; 2B & HR (walk off grandslam in the 9th)
Gil: 1 IP; 1H & 3K (15 pitches / 11 strikes) Gets the Win.