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Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 08:24 PM
Phillips 4
Nix 7
Votto 3
Rolen 5
Bruce 9
Hanigan 2
Stubbs 8
Janish 6
Arroyo 1

vs. Daniel Hudson

Reds signed #1 pick C Yasmani Grandal to a big leage deal, meaning a 40-man roster spot.

Mike Leake has been moved to the bullpen. Wood will come back up as expected to re-join the rotation, and Homer will also stay in the rotation.

I will do some PBP.

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_Sir_Charles_
08-17-2010, 08:49 PM
Most importantly...look at Hanny in the SIX slot?!? Wow.

I must admit, I do like this lineup. Shame I won't be able to listen to ANY of the game. *sigh* Gotta wake up at 5am tomorrow. :(

Kc61
08-17-2010, 09:15 PM
Quite a nice defensive team the Reds are putting out there tonight.

toledodan
08-17-2010, 09:20 PM
Most importantly...look at Hanny in the SIX slot?!? Wow.

I must admit, I do like this lineup. Shame I won't be able to listen to ANY of the game. *sigh* Gotta wake up at 5am tomorrow. :(



i get up at 5:10 everyday. sack up and watch the game!:D

oneupper
08-17-2010, 09:31 PM
Isn't the Arizona park a hitters park? Would Edmonds provide a bit more pop?
(not that I dislike the lineup)

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 09:39 PM
I will do some PBP.

EDIT: might

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PuffyPig
08-17-2010, 09:50 PM
Most importantly...look at Hanny in the SIX slot?!? Wow.

I must admit, I do like this lineup. Shame I won't be able to listen to ANY of the game. *sigh* Gotta wake up at 5am tomorrow. :(



Surely you can listen to some of it. How much sleep do you need?

Cedric
08-17-2010, 10:16 PM
Surely you can listen to some of it. How much sleep do you need?

He's got to man up... This is a pennant race :)

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 10:39 PM
I will do probably 3 or 4 innings of PBP.

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RedsMan3203
08-17-2010, 10:40 PM
I'm so ready for this game to start... Come'on now!

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 10:41 PM
We are go
Phillips up

1B
Runner on 1st
0 out
Nix up

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RedsMan3203
08-17-2010, 10:41 PM
Hey, Hey! Single!

paintmered
08-17-2010, 10:41 PM
Chat is open for at least a little while.

mbgrayson
08-17-2010, 10:41 PM
Phillips lead off single through the hole to left....

RedsMan3203
08-17-2010, 10:42 PM
Anyone heard an update on Thom? If he'll be back in the booth any this year? Keels will have me asleep here soon.

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 10:42 PM
I really like the dirt path from home to the mound.

7
1 out
Runner on 1st
Votto up

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mbgrayson
08-17-2010, 10:42 PM
Nix lines out to left.

mbgrayson
08-17-2010, 10:44 PM
Votto Ks swinging.

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 10:44 PM
Young


Parra Upton


Drew Johnson


Reynolds Hudson LaRoche


Montero

K (swinging)
2 out
Runner on 1st
Rolen up

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Captain Hook
08-17-2010, 10:44 PM
I really like the dirt path from home to the mound.

7
1 out
Runner on 1st
Votto up

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I can't figure out why but I do to.

Captain Hook
08-17-2010, 10:45 PM
Rolen ie due to get hot.

mbgrayson
08-17-2010, 10:46 PM
Rolen Ks swinging also.

After one half of an inning, Reds 0, D-Backs coming up.

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 10:47 PM
K (swinging)
3 out
Top of 1st over
Young up

0-0

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Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 10:50 PM
2B
Runner on 2nd
0 out
Johnson up

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Caveat Emperor
08-17-2010, 10:50 PM
Great bat speed for Chris Young. He went up and got that one at the letters.

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 10:51 PM
Young 8
Johnson 4
Upton 9
LaRoche 3
Montero 2
Reynolds 5
Drew 6
Parra 7
Hudson 1

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Kc61
08-17-2010, 10:51 PM
Great bat speed for Chris Young. He went up and got that one at the letters.

The pitch was at least 75 MPH.

Cedric
08-17-2010, 10:51 PM
Great bat speed for Chris Young. He went up and got that one at the letters.

That was nice hitting. I worry about Arroyo against this lineup though. Some nice LH's throughout.

RedsMan3203
08-17-2010, 10:52 PM
That was nice hitting. I worry about Arroyo against this lineup though. Some nice LH's throughout.

Ding Ding. :rolleyes:

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 10:52 PM
The first two batters hit it hard. 2-0 Dbacks.

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 10:53 PM
HR, 2 RBI, R
2B->H, R/ Young
0 out
Upton up

SCORE CHANGE: 2-0, Diamondbacks

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Caveat Emperor
08-17-2010, 10:53 PM
Wheelhouse shot there. The West Coast already striking back against the Reds.

Joseph
08-17-2010, 10:53 PM
Ghosts of west coast past.

Cedric
08-17-2010, 10:54 PM
It's early but today did seem bad all around. Long flight and a terrible match up for Bronson.

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 10:55 PM
K (swinging)
1 out
LaRoche up

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Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 10:56 PM
K (swinging)
2 out
Montero up

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Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 10:57 PM
7
3 out
Bottom of 1st over
Bruce up

2-0, Diamondbacks

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Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 10:58 PM
Brewers currently up 3-1 on the Cards mid 6th.

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 11:00 PM
Full count on Bruce

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Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 11:01 PM
1B
Runner on 1st
0 out
Hanigan up

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Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 11:03 PM
K (swinging)
1 out
Runner on 1st
Stubbs up

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Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 11:04 PM
K (swinging)
2 out
Janish up

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Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:05 PM
4 Ks already for Hudson

Caveat Emperor
08-17-2010, 11:05 PM
This guy is just baffling the Reds. It's like nobody has seen a scouting report on what this kid has to offer.

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:06 PM
Wow.. this is disgusting..

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:06 PM
Now 5 Ks.

CTA513
08-17-2010, 11:06 PM
Cy Hudson

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 11:07 PM
K (called)
3 out
Top of 2nd over
Reynolds up

2-0, Diamondbacks

Leadoff single, and we leave him stranded at 1st. Ridiculous.

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Caveat Emperor
08-17-2010, 11:07 PM
He's keeping the ball down in the zone with 91-93 MPH velocity. Nothing fancy, just hitting his spots. The Reds should still be better prepared than this. Every hitter has been completely off balance against this kid.

oneupper
08-17-2010, 11:08 PM
He's keeping the ball down in the zone with 91-93 MPH velocity. Nothing fancy, just hitting his spots. The Reds should still be better prepared than this. Every hitter has been completely off balance against this kid.

The kid is very good. Great location, good stuff.

Brutus
08-17-2010, 11:09 PM
He's keeping the ball down in the zone with 91-93 MPH velocity. Nothing fancy, just hitting his spots. The Reds should still be better prepared than this. Every hitter has been completely off balance against this kid.

In fairness, seeing a scouting report and facing a guy for the first time are two completely different things.

Kc61
08-17-2010, 11:09 PM
He's keeping the ball down in the zone with 91-93 MPH velocity. Nothing fancy, just hitting his spots. The Reds should still be better prepared than this. Every hitter has been completely off balance against this kid.

New pitcher, first time through the order, means nothing.

If the Reds can't adjust next time through, then we can start complaining. I know I will.

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 11:09 PM
5
1 out
Drew up

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jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:10 PM
Arroyo not fooling anyone tonight..

RedsMan3203
08-17-2010, 11:11 PM
Wow.. this is disgusting..

Not to much worried about it... This team normally starts to find their groove after the 1st time around...

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:11 PM
3 Ks for Arroyo.

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 11:11 PM
K (called)
2 out
Parra up

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durl
08-17-2010, 11:12 PM
It looks like Arroyo's curve is working. Or am I just buying into what Welsh is saying? :)

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 11:13 PM
7
3 out
Bottom of 2nd over
Arroyo up

2-0, Diamondbacks

BTW, while he still makes a lot of mistakes, I think Keels has improved a good bit since the start of the year.

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Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 11:13 PM
I'll do PBP through the bottom of the 3rd.

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Brutus
08-17-2010, 11:13 PM
It looks like Arroyo's curve is working. Or am I just buying into what Welsh is saying? :)

You're probably just buying in, but I'll have what you're having :)

Caveat Emperor
08-17-2010, 11:14 PM
The kid is very good. Great location, good stuff.

Kid was a K-Machine in the minors. Velocity seems OK (He's working at 91-93 -- that's pretty much minimum requirements for a RHP), location is fantastic, and he looks to have very good arm action on all his pitches.

He's no different than any other young pitcher, though. You need to work the count against him and force him to come to you with a pitch.

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:16 PM
Now 6 Ks for Hudson including 4 in a row.

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 11:16 PM
The other computer I was using crashed, so my PBP is done for the night. Later,

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Caveat Emperor
08-17-2010, 11:17 PM
Incidentally, when I was younger, these kinds of games were my dream: you could heckle from anywhere in the park and EVERY player could hear you. ;)

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:17 PM
Boy someone is loud and obnoxious in the stands tonight.

durl
08-17-2010, 11:17 PM
Some heckler is VERY loud in the crowd, you're right. What's the deal??

Caveat Emperor
08-17-2010, 11:18 PM
Some heckler is VERY loud in the crowd, you're right. What's the deal??

I wish Keels would shut up so I could hear what he was saying. :laugh:

durl
08-17-2010, 11:18 PM
I wish Keels would shut up so I could hear what he was saying. :laugh:

Maybe give the guy a radio so he can hear Keels and get calmed down a bit? :D

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:19 PM
Phillips hit by the pitch

durl
08-17-2010, 11:19 PM
94 mph off the forearm or wrist. OUCH.

kbrake
08-17-2010, 11:21 PM
It's probably Cowherd.

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:22 PM
Nix strikes out swinging. 7 Ks.

Brutus
08-17-2010, 11:22 PM
Well, at least all these Ks are racking up a hefty pitch count for Hudson.

durl
08-17-2010, 11:22 PM
is it just me or could Nix do George Washington's fill-in for profile shots?

Caveat Emperor
08-17-2010, 11:23 PM
Surprised the Reds haven't put Phillips on the move to at least put some pressure on this kid.

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:24 PM
Votto strikes out swinging. 8 Ks. 2-0 Dbacks mid 3rd.

Caveat Emperor
08-17-2010, 11:24 PM
They aren't even close to his fastball.

Cyclone792
08-17-2010, 11:24 PM
The Reds striking out in bunches in Arizona. I've seen this before.

RedsMan3203
08-17-2010, 11:24 PM
55 pitches for Hudson, 8 K's

durl
08-17-2010, 11:24 PM
Dang. The fielders are going to fall asleep on Hudson. They're going to get bored. 8 Ks in 3 innings???

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:24 PM
Brewers are still up 3-1 on the Cards in the top of the 8th.

Caveat Emperor
08-17-2010, 11:25 PM
The Reds striking out in bunches in Arizona. I've seen this before.

At least in the past it was Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling as opposed to some kid who's still excited that he never has to ride a bus.

mbgrayson
08-17-2010, 11:25 PM
The Reds have also been 'lucky' tonight with a .667 BABIP. Lol...

Brutus
08-17-2010, 11:25 PM
At least the Reds can get to the D-Backs' pen early tonight... though they may have 16 Ks by that time.

redsfaninbsg
08-17-2010, 11:25 PM
At least at this rate the kid will be out after six innings.

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:27 PM
Hudson flew out to center.

BCubb2003
08-17-2010, 11:27 PM
Remember, strikeouts only hurt your feelings.

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:28 PM
Young strikes out swinging. 4 Ks for Arroyo.

Brutus
08-17-2010, 11:28 PM
Remember, strikeouts only hurt your feelings.

... and eliminate all hopes of balls going for hits or errors.

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:29 PM
Johnson grounds out to 2nd. 2-0 Dbacks after 3.

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:29 PM
40 pitches for Arroyo.

toledodan
08-17-2010, 11:31 PM
i told you guys this hudson kid had good stuff. they need to work the count a bit more. the dbacks pen is awful so his pitch count needs to go up fast!

kbrake
08-17-2010, 11:31 PM
How many different pitches is Hudson throwing?

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:32 PM
Rolen singles to left.

durl
08-17-2010, 11:32 PM
Can I just say again how glad I am Rolen is on this team? Nice work at the plate, there.

Brutus
08-17-2010, 11:32 PM
The streak is broken!

Caveat Emperor
08-17-2010, 11:32 PM
How many different pitches is Hudson throwing?

I've seen a 4 seamer, a 2 seamer, a change up and a slider.

His "stuff" isn't impressive (velocity is OK, not a ton of movement on his pitches), but he has fantastic arm action on all his pitches and he's hitting his spots with pinpoint command.

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:32 PM
Bruce hit it hard but grounds into a 3-6-3 DP.

kbrake
08-17-2010, 11:32 PM
Too bad Bruce didn't K.

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:33 PM
2-0 Dbacks mid 4..

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:33 PM
Hanigan grounds out to 3rd. 2-0 Dbacks mid 4th.

CTA513
08-17-2010, 11:34 PM
That inning helped Hudsons pitch count.

Caveat Emperor
08-17-2010, 11:34 PM
And, just like that, he throws up a low-pitch count inning.

durl
08-17-2010, 11:34 PM
The Reds are doing this perfectly. Letting Hudson get over-confident...and then they'll bring the hammer down in the 6th inning. He's playing right into their hands. bwah-hahahahaha

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:37 PM
Upton grounds out to Arroyo.

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:37 PM
Nice job by Arroyo to field his posish.. 1 down

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:38 PM
LaRoche grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:38 PM
Cards have 1st and 3rd with 1 down in 8th w/ Jay up..

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:39 PM
Montero singles to center.

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:40 PM
3-2 now.. wild pitch scores miles..

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:42 PM
Jay K's.. here comes Pujols..

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:42 PM
Reynolds walks. 1st and 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:44 PM
Drew grounds into a 3-6 FC. 2-0 Dbacks after 4.

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:45 PM
IBB to Pujols..

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:46 PM
Brewers get out of the inning with a 3-2 lead after 8

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:46 PM
Holliday grounds out.. 3-2 brew crew going to the 9th..

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:47 PM
Another lead-off single.. can we do something with it plz?

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:47 PM
Stubbs lines a single to left.

RedsMan3203
08-17-2010, 11:47 PM
Another lead-off single.. can we do something with it plz?

Time to turn the Stubby loooooooose... Let him run!

Cyclone792
08-17-2010, 11:47 PM
Reds need to put Stubbs in motion here and hopefully he can steal a bag. It'd be nice to at least get a scratch run.

CTA513
08-17-2010, 11:47 PM
Barney is pinch running for Aramis Ramirez right now.

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:48 PM
Yess! stubbs scores easily as he was on the move.. Janish with the double!

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:48 PM
Janish lines a double down the left field line. 2-1 Dbacks.

durl
08-17-2010, 11:48 PM
Janish is THE MAN. Very nice hit.

Caveat Emperor
08-17-2010, 11:48 PM
Janish ain't great shakes at the dish, but dude has "it" when the team needs a big base hit.

dsmith421
08-17-2010, 11:48 PM
Oh, for God's sake. So stupid.

RedsMan3203
08-17-2010, 11:48 PM
And... Stubbs misses the bag?!?!

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:49 PM
wow o wow.. what a buncha crap.. he prolly did tho

CTA513
08-17-2010, 11:49 PM
Stubbs pulled a Dunn.

durl
08-17-2010, 11:49 PM
Stubbs missed 3rd???

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:49 PM
Wow. Stubbs is out. He missed 3rd.

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:49 PM
Hard to tell if he hit the inside of the bag or not.

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:49 PM
haha this is how the road trip is going to go I guess... :/

RedsMan3203
08-17-2010, 11:50 PM
Looks like he got it to me guys....

Caveat Emperor
08-17-2010, 11:50 PM
Wow. West Coast.

kbrake
08-17-2010, 11:50 PM
Looks like he got it to me guys....

Yep. Me too.

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:50 PM
Arroyo flies out to center. Janish goes to 3rd. 2 outs.

durl
08-17-2010, 11:50 PM
I can't see his foot hitting the bag. Sorry.

edabbs44
08-17-2010, 11:51 PM
Wow. West Coast.

West Coast is the new June Swoon.

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:51 PM
BP needs to come up big right here..

mbgrayson
08-17-2010, 11:51 PM
Stubbs missed 3rd???


Looked to me like he got it on the side of the bag. Bad call.

LoganBuck
08-17-2010, 11:52 PM
I can't see his foot hitting the bag. Sorry.

I can't tell one way or another, but it certainly looks close enough for me.

RedsMan3203
08-17-2010, 11:52 PM
Looked to me like he got it on the side of the bag. Bad call.

And, the home plate ump ruled him out... Why is that?

NC Reds
08-17-2010, 11:52 PM
Bad call. He clipped the base with the edge of his foot.

durl
08-17-2010, 11:52 PM
Well, we know who the heckler is against tonight. Man...he's the loudest heckler I've ever heard at a game that had more than 50 fans in the stands.

TheNext44
08-17-2010, 11:52 PM
There is no way that the ump could clearly see whether he touched the bag or not.

Bullcrap call.

He has no right to make that call. It has to be clear cut. If we can't tell in super slow motion in HD, how the heck can the home plate ump claim that he saw it definitively enough to call him out.

I'll say it again...

Bullcrap call.

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:52 PM
Another K.. geez.. 2-0 mid 5..

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:52 PM
Phillips strikes out swinging. 9 Ks. 2-0 Dbacks mid 5th.

mbgrayson
08-17-2010, 11:52 PM
And, the home plate ump ruled him out... Why is that?

Third base ump running down left field line to see if ball was fair or not...

BuckeyeRedleg
08-17-2010, 11:53 PM
Baseball is so funny. Umps give second basemen and shortstops the phantom tag of 2B on DP's, but they're going to get picky on this?

It wasn't like he wasn't going to score and he gained an unfair advantage. Plus, it looks to close to call that anyway. Give me a break.

dsmith421
08-17-2010, 11:53 PM
Stubbs gave the ump a chance to screw him, whether or not he scraped the base on the way by. He's got to be more careful.

Phillips missed an absolute cookie on the second last pitch of his at-bat. Montero called for it at his eyes and Hudson threw it straight down Broadway.

durl
08-17-2010, 11:53 PM
I didn't see his foot touch the bag but I also couldn't tell that it didn't. Interesting.

fearofpopvol1
08-17-2010, 11:53 PM
The evidence is NOT conclusive as to whether he did or didn't touch the bag. Unbiasedly, I think he touched the bag though.

The homeplate ump should not be making that call.

TheNext44
08-17-2010, 11:54 PM
I can't see his foot hitting the bag. Sorry.

But can you see it definitely not touching the bag? That's the standard for calling him out. You have to definitively see him not touch the bag to overrule the call. There is no way the ump could say that he saw Stubbs not touch the bag.

Red in Chicago
08-17-2010, 11:55 PM
let's pretend you're sitting somewhere in the neighborhood of tonight's screaming fan...what do you do?

a) move
b) tell him to shut up
c) ask an usher to tell him to shut up
d) ignore him

if it's me, i probably just ignore him, since he's probably severely intoxicated, and any confrontation is likely to cause a fight...

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:55 PM
I went back and if he missed it was by an inch. Definetly was too close for the home plate ump to see.

Parra doubles to right center.

mbgrayson
08-17-2010, 11:55 PM
But can you see it definitely not touching the bag? That's the standard for calling him out. You have to definitively see him not touch the bag to overrule the call. There is no way the ump could say that he saw Stubbs not touch the bag.

Why is that the standard? He is not over-ruling anyone, it was a call of first impression. (Although wrong.)

LoganBuck
08-17-2010, 11:55 PM
let's pretend you're sitting somewhere in the neighborhood of tonight's screaming fan...what do you do?

a) move
b) tell him to shut up
c) ask an usher to tell him to shut up
d) ignore him

if it's me, i probably just ignore him, since he's probably severely intoxicated, and any confrontation is likely to cause a fight...

Mohawk Grenade

Chip R
08-17-2010, 11:56 PM
You have to think the 3rd baseman saw it, otherwise why appeal?

Cyclone792
08-17-2010, 11:56 PM
Arroyo just gives up a double to a Corey Taveras type hitter. This game has all the makings of being a complete disaster.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-17-2010, 11:56 PM
There is no way that the ump could clearly see whether he touched the bag or not.

Bullcrap call.

He has no right to make that call. It has to be clear cut. If we can't tell in super slow motion in HD, how the heck can the home plate ump claim that he saw it definitively enough to call him out.

I'll say it again...

Bullcrap call.

Agree. Another ump that wants attention.

"Look at me Mom, I'm making a controversial call."

I knw something would go wrong when Stubbs looked back after he crossed home. That and we're on the West coast and we got that curse going for us. Oh well.

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:56 PM
1 down in the 9th for the brewers..

kbrake
08-17-2010, 11:56 PM
So annoyed with that call. If you're going to make that call you better be damn sure you saw it and off the replays I don't see any possible way that was the case.

mbgrayson
08-17-2010, 11:56 PM
let's pretend you're sitting somewhere in the neighborhood of tonight's screaming fan...what do you do?

a) move
b) tell him to shut up
c) ask an usher to tell him to shut up
d) ignore him

if it's me, i probably just ignore him, since he's probably severely intoxicated, and any confrontation is likely to cause a fight...

D-Backs announcers say that guy is always there, never profane, and allowed to do that stuff. (?).

jesusfan
08-17-2010, 11:57 PM
just step on the dang bag.... how about that?

Redsfan320
08-17-2010, 11:57 PM
I get a 52" HD LCD TV. Folks, the foot of Drew Stubbs did very much touch the base. He got the inside edge, very close to exactly how you're suppose to do. What do you have to stomp on the bag now for the umps to approve. Something needs done about MLB umping. I'm not sure if it's replay, but something needs to be done.


let's pretend you're sitting somewhere in the neighborhood of tonight's screaming fan...what do you do?

I don't know, but he should've been escorted form the game long ago.


D-Backs announcers say that guy is always there, never profane, and allowed to do that stuff. (?).

Wow. I don't even know how to respond to that.

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dsmith421
08-17-2010, 11:57 PM
There's the Felipe Lopez I know.

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:57 PM
Hudson strikes out swinging. 5 Ks for Arroyo.

CTA513
08-17-2010, 11:58 PM
let's pretend you're sitting somewhere in the neighborhood of tonight's screaming fan...what do you do?

a) move
b) tell him to shut up
c) ask an usher to tell him to shut up
d) ignore him

if it's me, i probably just ignore him, since he's probably severely intoxicated, and any confrontation is likely to cause a fight...

e) taser him?

fisch11
08-17-2010, 11:58 PM
Sad to see Drew make that play even close....he could have stopped to stand on 3rd and still score standing up. Apparently he is so fast he can't even see the bag to clearly step on it.

Reds Fanatic
08-17-2010, 11:58 PM
Young pops out to 2nd.

Kc61
08-18-2010, 12:00 AM
Cards lost.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-18-2010, 12:00 AM
Sad to see Drew make that play even close....he could have stopped to stand on 3rd and still score standing up. Apparently he is so fast he can't even see the bag to clearly step on it.

Another reason that an ump should use common sense and not make that call.

That could prtetty much be the ballgame right there. A bunch of BS, but typical.

CTA513
08-18-2010, 12:00 AM
D-Backs announcers say that guy is always there, never profane, and allowed to do that stuff. (?).

Profane or not I wouldn't want to hear that guy all the time if I was a D-Backs fan.

Cedric
08-18-2010, 12:00 AM
Stubbs is to blame now? Hell no he isn't.

You CAN"T make that call as an umpire unless you are 200% sure. That is one of the worst calls I have ever seen. He honestly deserves a suspension for that one.

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 12:00 AM
4 pitch walk to Johnson

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 12:00 AM
And the Cardinals lose to the brew crew.. c'mon reds!

fisch11
08-18-2010, 12:00 AM
Brew Crew downs the Cards!

dsmith421
08-18-2010, 12:00 AM
Stubbs is to blame now? Hell no he isn't.


Except for the part where he missed the base.

RedsMan3203
08-18-2010, 12:01 AM
Cards lost.

They are who we thought they were! :thumbup::beerme:

mbgrayson
08-18-2010, 12:01 AM
Profane or not I wouldn't want to hear that guy all the time if I was a D-Backs fan.

Agreed. He is right behind dugout too, not cheap seats....

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 12:01 AM
Upton lines out to left. 2-0 Dbacks after 5.

TheNext44
08-18-2010, 12:01 AM
Why is that the standard? He is not over-ruling anyone, it was a call of first impression. (Although wrong.)

I meant he was overruling the call of the third base ump, who didn't seem to think he missed the bag. It's the third base ump's call, unless another ump wants to over rule him. in fact, the third base umps job on that play is to watch the bag and make sure the player touched it.

Caveat Emperor
08-18-2010, 12:01 AM
Except for the part where he missed the base.

Except that it doesn't look, to me, like he did. He got it with the inside of his foot.

Cedric
08-18-2010, 12:01 AM
Except for the part where he missed the base.

You are wrong. I have it zoomed in right now. He most certainly touched the bag.

kbrake
08-18-2010, 12:02 AM
Except for the part where he missed the base.

You have an angle of him missing the bag?

George Anderson
08-18-2010, 12:02 AM
.

The homeplate ump should not be making that call.

Yes that is the HP umps call because the 3B ump potentially has the catch to the OF and the HP ump has the best angle to see if the runner touched the inside of the bag. The 3B ump is not going to see if the runner touched the inside of the bag if he is in foul territory.

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 12:02 AM
Nix-Votto-Rolen.. we need to git'er done this inning and get his pitch count up..

SirFelixCat
08-18-2010, 12:02 AM
Whether he got the bag or not, bottom line is that is way, way too close to reverse. I'm looking at it on a 55" HD 120 Hz tv and I can't tell for sure one way or the other. Should never be reversed there.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-18-2010, 12:02 AM
Except that it doesn't look, to me, like he did. He got it with the inside of his foot.


And it was close enough that it should not have been called, especially when there was no close play at the plate.

BS call.

Chip R
08-18-2010, 12:02 AM
I meant he was overruling the call of the third base ump, who didn't seem to think he missed the bag. It's the third base ump's call, unless another ump wants to over rule him. in fact, the third base umps job on that play is to watch the bag and make sure the player touched it.

3B ump is the one who is up the line determining whether the ball is fair or foul. I can't say that Stubbs touched the base or not but how many times you see a play like that appealed?

mbgrayson
08-18-2010, 12:02 AM
I meant he was overruling the call of the third base ump, who didn't seem to think he missed the bag. It's the third base ump's call, unless another ump wants to over rule him. in fact, the third base umps job on that play is to watch the bag and make sure the player touched it.

Third base ump was out in left field looking at the batted ball. That makes the call at third the home plate ump's responsibility. They NEVER call a missed base unless the team in the field appeals. So the first possible call was his to make.

dsmith421
08-18-2010, 12:02 AM
Except that it doesn't look, to me, like he did. He got it with the inside of his foot.

I watched it a few times and disagree. And in any event, it's far from clear. If he hits the bag like normal, the ump has no grounds to screw us. So it's on Stubbs at least to a certain extent.

George Anderson
08-18-2010, 12:03 AM
I meant he was overruling the call of the third base ump, who didn't seem to think he missed the bag. It's the third base ump's call, unless another ump wants to over rule him. in fact, the third base umps job on that play is to watch the bag and make sure the player touched it.

No it is the HP umps call.

Cedric
08-18-2010, 12:03 AM
How in the world does anyone defend that umpire? Again, if you aren't sure you NEVER make that call.

TheNext44
08-18-2010, 12:03 AM
Except for the part where he missed the base.

Ever rounded third running full speed? Stubbs was as close as most players are who are trying to score.

Chip R
08-18-2010, 12:03 AM
How in the world does anyone defend that umpire? Again, if you aren't sure you NEVER make that call.

He seemed pretty sure to me.

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 12:04 AM
Nix lines a single to right.

George Anderson
08-18-2010, 12:04 AM
3B ump is the one who is up the line determining whether the ball is fair or foul. I can't say that Stubbs touched the base or not but how many times you see a play like that appealed?

Also Stubbs actions by not arguing or going bat crazy tells me he knew he didn't touch it.

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 12:04 AM
Nix w/ the single.. lead off hit again.. c'mon Joey!

Kc61
08-18-2010, 12:04 AM
Reds will come back.

TheNext44
08-18-2010, 12:04 AM
No it is the HP umps call.

My bad. You're right.

nemesis
08-18-2010, 12:05 AM
Another hit for Nix, yet he is the first guy most on here wanna DFA... .803 OPS. Plus D. Yeah. He needs to go...

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 12:05 AM
that was ball 3..

kaldaniels
08-18-2010, 12:05 AM
Ever rounded third running full speed? Stubbs was as close as most players are who are trying to score.

Not sure what this means...you either hit the bag or you don't.

dsmith421
08-18-2010, 12:05 AM
Ever rounded third running full speed? Stubbs was as close as most players are who are trying to score.

I bow to your extensive major league experience. Sure looked to me like he missed the bag.

And, as I've said, the ump doesn't screw the Reds there if he hits the base.

In any case, it seems to have woken up the bats, because we're ripping balls right now.

kbrake
08-18-2010, 12:05 AM
Also Stubbs actions by not arguing or going bat crazy tells me he knew he didn't touch it.

Not everyone goes Joey Votto.

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 12:06 AM
Vottmatic with a single.. 1st and 2nd w/ Rolen up!

TheNext44
08-18-2010, 12:06 AM
Also Stubbs actions by not arguing or going bat crazy tells me he knew he didn't touch it.

Or he's a rookie and doesn't want to get into trouble.

I doubt he knew whether he did or not.

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 12:06 AM
Votto singles to center. 1st and 2nd.

Caveat Emperor
08-18-2010, 12:06 AM
Here we go now. Time to string some good ABs together.

George Anderson
08-18-2010, 12:06 AM
The key on the call is who had the best angle to make the call. Not the camera man who played the video we saw and not the 3b ump but it was the HP ump. The angle where he was standing at next to HP gives him the best view if the bag was touched or not.

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 12:07 AM
Rolen lines a single to right. 2-1 Dbacks.

kaldaniels
08-18-2010, 12:07 AM
First to third.

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 12:07 AM
Rolen singles to right.. 2-1 Reds.. Nix touches the bag!!! 1st and 3rd

mbgrayson
08-18-2010, 12:07 AM
Or he's a rookie and doesn't want to get into trouble.

I doubt he knew whether he did or not.

Stubbs looked back towards thrid as he crossed the plate. Oops.

dsmith421
08-18-2010, 12:07 AM
Three straight sharply hit balls, 2-1.

WebScorpion
08-18-2010, 12:07 AM
Excellent! Keep working the counts guys...after we score a few this kid will be done. :thumbup:

BuckeyeRedleg
08-18-2010, 12:07 AM
As I posted earlier, second basemen and shortstop's miss the 2B bag or touch it before they've received the ball on double play turns all the ti8me and umps don't call it.

If Stubbs missed the bag by a millimeter (in which case I doubt the HP ump could tell one way or the other), the call should not be made unless you want attention for calling it. "Look at me". Especially when it gave Stubbs no advantage on a play that wasn't close at the plate.

Kc61
08-18-2010, 12:08 AM
Reds will come back.

Reds will come back.

guttle11
08-18-2010, 12:08 AM
So how will that run not count?

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 12:08 AM
That pitch was on a plattter....

kaldaniels
08-18-2010, 12:08 AM
As I posted earlier, second basemen and shortstop's miss the 2B bag or touch it before they've received the ball on double play turns all the ti8me and umps don't call it.

If Stubbs missed the bag by a millimeter (in which case I doubt the HP ump could tell one way or the other), the call should not be made unless you want attention for calling it. "Look at me". Especially when it gave Stubbs no advantage on a play that wasn't close at the plate.

You are comparing apples and oranges brother...no shortcuts on the basepaths.

TheNext44
08-18-2010, 12:09 AM
The key on the call is who had the best angle to make the call. Not the camera man who played the video we saw and not the 3b ump but it was the HP ump. The angle where he was standing at next to HP gives him the best view if the bag was touched or not.

Layne is a solid ump, so i can't imagine him not being sure about it. He must have seen something, or thought he saw something.

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 12:09 AM
Another 3-6-3 dp by Bruce.. 2-2 as Votto scores..

dsmith421
08-18-2010, 12:09 AM
Bruce hits into another DP, but the run scores and we're tied.

WebScorpion
08-18-2010, 12:09 AM
Jay Bruce is overdue.

RedsMan3203
08-18-2010, 12:09 AM
Well, not what everyone wanted... but its tied up.

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 12:09 AM
Again Bruce hits into a 3-6-3 DP. Tie game 2-2.

Kc61
08-18-2010, 12:09 AM
DP ties the game.

Last year Bruce hit everything in the air. Lately, one grounder after another.

Caveat Emperor
08-18-2010, 12:09 AM
Well, not what everyone wanted... but its tied up.

Better than a K, in this situation.

Cedric
08-18-2010, 12:10 AM
Jay has to widen his stance sooner or later. I'm begging him to.

TheNext44
08-18-2010, 12:10 AM
Reds will come back.

I agree. Although they already have. :)

marcshoe
08-18-2010, 12:10 AM
That's okay. I like the Reds' chances as we get deeper into the game.

fearofpopvol1
08-18-2010, 12:10 AM
Reds should be up 3-2 right now.

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 12:10 AM
Hanigan grounds out to 3rd. 2-2 mid 6th.

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 12:10 AM
mid 6.. 2-2 game

George Anderson
08-18-2010, 12:11 AM
Layne is a solid ump, so i can't imagine him not being sure about it. He must have seen something, or thought he saw something.

The rule of thumb is if it is blatantly obvious the runner missed a bag then call him out. If it is very close or your not sure then dont call it. Again we didnt have the angle the HP ump had so it must have been very obvious to him to call it.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-18-2010, 12:11 AM
Reds should be up 3-2 right now.

...or more even.

guttle11
08-18-2010, 12:12 AM
Better than a K, in this situation.

Yep, solid situational hitting there. Make contact and if it's a ground ball fielded by the defense, make them choose their poison. Either a tie game and 2 outs or two on with 1 out.

mbgrayson
08-18-2010, 12:12 AM
Reds should be up 3-2 right now.

Plus we lost an out that inning.

In all fairness, when I saw the play in real time, I also thought he missed third. The replay is not conclusive, and the ump had a view down the line.

The game is now tied, and we have to get over it and win this one. Great chance to pick up a game since STL lost....

durl
08-18-2010, 12:12 AM
Well, I got the inning right, but I was hoping that the hammer dropping would be more than 2 runs. I'll take it, though.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-18-2010, 12:12 AM
The rule of thumb is if it is blatantly obvious the runner missed a bag then call him out. If it is very close or your not sure then dont call it. Again we didnt have the angle the HP ump had so it must have been very obvious to him to call it.

Based on the angle we've seen, I'm not sure how his angle (even IF better) could make that call "obvious".

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 12:13 AM
LaRoche grounds out to 3rd.

kaldaniels
08-18-2010, 12:13 AM
Based on the angle we've seen, I'm not sure how his angle (even IF better) could make that call "obvious".

Case closed. :rolleyes:

BuckeyeRedleg
08-18-2010, 12:14 AM
Case closed. :rolleyes:

What's with the cheesy eyeroll?

George Anderson
08-18-2010, 12:14 AM
Based on the angle we've seen, I'm not sure how his angle (even IF better) could make that call "obvious".

That is the key phrase...we didn't see the angle that the HP ump saw and again angle is everything.

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 12:15 AM
Montero flies out to the track in center.

kaldaniels
08-18-2010, 12:15 AM
What's with the cheesy eyeroll?

See the above post by George.