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jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:21 PM
Figured we could discuss the game here and I'll do some play by play until about 3:30..

Brewers

1. Weeks
2. Hart
3. Braun
4. Fielder
5. McGehee
6. Cain
7. Escobar
8. Kottaras
9. Wolf

Cardinals

1. Lopez
2. Jay
3. Pujols
4. Holliday
5. Craig
6. Molina
7. Miles
8. Wainwright
9. Ryan

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:21 PM
Wainwright K's the first 2 he sees..

Heath
08-18-2010, 02:22 PM
wow. only a 2 game set, eh?

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:25 PM
Lopez grounds out and Jay K's.. Pujols up

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:28 PM
1-2-3 inning as Pujols flies to deep left.. after 1 0-0

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:32 PM
Fielder singles and McGehee K's.. 1 down

VR
08-18-2010, 02:33 PM
They just keep running Molina/ Holliday/ Pujols out there, day after day after day. That's can't be good, can it?

Big horses haven't missed a start.

And yet, they are 2 games back.

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:34 PM
Cain lines into a 1-3 DP.. mid 2 zip zip

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:36 PM
They just keep running Molina/ Holliday/ Pujols out there, day after day after day. That's can't be good, can it?

Big horses haven't missed a start.

And yet, they are 2 games back.

I agree, but during the stretch pennant run I'm hoping we don't see many off days for our guys either. However, that's where our strength lies, we don't lose a lot because our guys are well rested, our bench is one of the best in the league..

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:37 PM
Holliday flies to right.. 1 down

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:38 PM
Bush K's Craig.. 2 down

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:38 PM
Molina reaches on error by Weeks..

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:40 PM
Miles flies to center.. after 2 zip zip.. I can't get over how weak the Cardinals line-up is.. after Jay-Pujols-Holliday it's just abysmal..

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 02:40 PM
They just keep running Molina/ Holliday/ Pujols out there, day after day after day. That's can't be good, can it?

Big horses haven't missed a start.

And yet, they are 2 games back.

It's gotta start telling on Molina at least.

Rested players should start paying dividends in August and September. It way already be occuring, there's little way of telling if a player is regressing due to fatique.

traderumor
08-18-2010, 02:41 PM
wow. only a 2 game set, eh?

Consecutive day games. I was thinking the same thing so checked the schedule.

Tornon
08-18-2010, 02:41 PM
Consecutive day games. I was thinking the same thing so checked the schedule.

Yesterday was a night game for them

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 02:41 PM
Miles flies to center.. after 2 zip zip.. I can't get over how weak the Cardinals line-up is.. after Jay-Pujols-Holliday it's just abysmal..

Jay is a .750 OPS guy with a lucky BABIP.

But since the Ludwick trade, he's been nothing.

Tornon
08-18-2010, 02:44 PM
Leadoff walk for Brew Crew..

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:46 PM
Jay is a .750 OPS guy with a lucky BABIP.

But since the Ludwick trade, he's been nothing.

Yeah, but he's still serviceable.. the other guys are just terrible.. Molina can be decent but geez..

traderumor
08-18-2010, 02:46 PM
Yesterday was a night game for themtomorrow is a 1:15 game. I assumed that Heath was assuming short series with the day game today, as was I.

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:46 PM
Kottaras flies out.. 1 down

Tornon
08-18-2010, 02:47 PM
tomorrow is a 1:15 game. I assumed that Heath was assuming short series with the day game today, as was I.

They don't play tomorrow, do they? Unless MLB is missing something on the schedule

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:49 PM
Wolf K's.. 2 down

traderumor
08-18-2010, 02:50 PM
They don't play tomorrow, do they? Unless MLB is missing something on the scheduleAh, you're right, Cards off tomorrow. I saw the 1:15 start on their site and thought it was talking about tomorrow since I knew they played at 2:15 today, not realizing it was due to EST vs. CST and was today's game. Ok, so we'll pick up another half game on them. ;) Looks like the Cards are going to be playing games while our guys are enjoying days off down the stretch.

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:53 PM
Wainwright singles..

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:55 PM
Ryan lines into the double play.. 2 down

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 02:57 PM
Lopez flies out.. end of 3.. still 0-0

Tornon
08-18-2010, 02:58 PM
Adam Wainwright has given up 2 ER in his last 42 1/3 IP at home, that's a 0.43 ERA over his last 6 starts at home

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2010, 03:00 PM
The Cardinals are going to luck out and miss Matt Cain this weekend, of course, he's pitching the first game of the series against the Reds.

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 03:00 PM
Hart grounds out.. 1 down

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 03:03 PM
Braun singles..

RBA
08-18-2010, 03:04 PM
MLB Network has started live look-ins if you are interested.

OesterPoster
08-18-2010, 03:04 PM
The Cardinals are going to luck out and miss Matt Cain this weekend, of course, he's pitching the first game of the series against the Reds.

Root for a rainout in Philly tonight then. The east coast radar doesn't look very pretty.

Tornon
08-18-2010, 03:05 PM
Root for a rainout in Philly tonight then. The east coast radar doesn't look very pretty.

You'd need 2 rainouts.. the Giants & Phils play again tomorrow

OesterPoster
08-18-2010, 03:06 PM
Crap, just realized that.

OesterPoster
08-18-2010, 03:11 PM
Wainwright with 61 pitches already through 4.

Tornon
08-18-2010, 03:12 PM
Scoreless middle of 4.. hopefully the Cardinals can be thrown to the Wolf here soon

Brutus
08-18-2010, 03:13 PM
The Cardinals are going to luck out and miss Matt Cain this weekend, of course, he's pitching the first game of the series against the Reds.

But they also get Tim Lincecum and the Reds likely don't. It all evens out.

Tornon
08-18-2010, 03:15 PM
But they also get Tim Lincecum and the Reds likely don't. It all evens out.

The way Lincecum has been throwing, I don't know if that's such a good thing

membengal
08-18-2010, 03:15 PM
The more you know:

Since 2008 the Brewers have taken 17 of the last 26 games between them and the Cardinals and have a lower ERA in those games...

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2010, 03:16 PM
But they also get Tim Lincecum and the Reds likely don't. It all evens out.

Lincecum has struggled lately. He's still a great pitcher but I think I would rather face him than Cain right now.

OesterPoster
08-18-2010, 03:17 PM
Scoreless through 4 now. Wolf @ only 45 pitches.

Tornon
08-18-2010, 03:19 PM
Leadoff 2B for brewers in the 5th..

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 03:21 PM
Cain with a leadoff double!

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 03:21 PM
Escobar K's.. 1 down.. geez get the guy over

Tornon
08-18-2010, 03:21 PM
Escobar K's.. 1 out

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 03:23 PM
Cain steals 3rd.. this guy is going to be an exciting player and a nightmare for awile

fearofpopvol1
08-18-2010, 03:23 PM
Brew Crew scores!! 1-0.

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 03:24 PM
1-0 on Kattaras infield single!

OesterPoster
08-18-2010, 03:25 PM
Cain steals 3rd.. this guy is going to be an exciting player and a nightmare for awile

On a related note...for all the hoopla about Alcides Escobar, I haven't been impressed by him at all, so far. He's only got 8 stolen bases on the year when he had 34 and 42 in back-to-back minor league seasons.

I guess the old adage about stealing 1st base holds true.

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 03:25 PM
Now get the bunt down!

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 03:26 PM
Wolf grounds into dp.. 1-0 Brew Crew mid 5..

Brutus
08-18-2010, 03:27 PM
Lincecum has struggled lately. He's still a great pitcher but I think I would rather face him than Cain right now.

I think the struggled lately thing has been overblown. He has had two bad starts, but before that had 3 solid starts. One so-so start even before that which was preceeded by some dominant starts.

I really think the "Lincecum is struggling" thing is being overblown. He had a 3.02 ERA for the month of July and has made just 3 starts this month.

He's done this several times in his career. He'll have a few bad starts and come back and dominate. I'd rather face Cain than Lincecum on the off-chance that dominant Tim shows up.

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 03:30 PM
Craig singles..

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 03:32 PM
Yadi pops up.. 1 down

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 03:34 PM
Miles walks.. 1st and 2nd

The Voice of IH
08-18-2010, 03:35 PM
according to ESPN gamecast every single ball in that at bat was as strike.

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 03:36 PM
Wainwright strikes out on a foul bunt.. 2 down

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 03:36 PM
I think the struggled lately thing has been overblown. He has had two bad starts, but before that had 3 solid starts. One so-so start even before that which was preceeded by some dominant starts.

I really think the "Lincecum is struggling" thing is being overblown. He had a 3.02 ERA for the month of July and has made just 3 starts this month.

He's done this several times in his career. He'll have a few bad starts and come back and dominate. I'd rather face Cain than Lincecum on the off-chance that dominant Tim shows up.


His K-rate is down, his walks are up, his HR-rate is doubled.

That ERA in June should likley have been higher based on his rates.

He's not the same guy. He doesn't throw nearly as hard as he used to.

Though he is still good, there is every reason to be concerned.

Phhhl
08-18-2010, 03:39 PM
On a related note...for all the hoopla about Alcides Escobar, I haven't been impressed by him at all, so far. He's only got 8 stolen bases on the year when he had 34 and 42 in back-to-back minor league seasons.

I guess the old adage about stealing 1st base holds true.

Guys hitting 7th and 8th don't get a lot to hit, and they don't get a chance to run much when they do get on base. Look at Drew Stubbs, who has only stolen a handful of bases since being moved to the 7th spot. On top of all that, the Brewers don't seem to like to run a lot with anybody, preferring to wait for Fielder, Braund and Hart to walk around the bases.

jesusfan
08-18-2010, 03:39 PM
Got out of it! 1-0 Brewers after 5

Playadlc
08-18-2010, 03:39 PM
His K-rate is down, his walks are up, his HR-rate is doubled.

That ERA in June should likley have been higher based on his rates.

He's not the same guy. He doesn't throw nearly as hard as he used to.

Though he is still good, there is every reason to be concerned.

I wonder if the Giants are second-guessing his past seasonsí pitch counts.

fearofpopvol1
08-18-2010, 03:39 PM
His K-rate is down, his walks are up, his HR-rate is doubled.

That ERA in June should likley have been higher based on his rates.

He's not the same guy. He doesn't throw nearly as hard as he used to.

Though he is still good, there is every reason to be concerned.

He still is 2nd in the league in Ks.

OesterPoster
08-18-2010, 03:40 PM
Wolf at 68 pitches through 5. Wainwright at 76 pitches through 5.

HotCorner
08-18-2010, 03:41 PM
His K-rate is down, his walks are up, his HR-rate is doubled.

That ERA in June should likley have been higher based on his rates.

He's not the same guy. He doesn't throw nearly as hard as he used to.

Though he is still good, there is every reason to be concerned.

And then there is his diminishing velocity ...



But I keep going back to one thing that cannot be explained by Molinaís utter Molina-ness or the fact that In the Old Days They All Threw 300 Pitches a Game and Liked It:

* Lincecumís fastball now settles into the 89-91 mph range after the first inning, and two years ago it was consistently at 94-96 mph.

If you donít have hitters in fear of the fastball, that makes the change-up so much less deadly. I donít care who the catcher is.


http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/08/16/lincecums-velocity-dilemma-either-its-simple-worn-down-arm-or-its-complicated-anything-els/ (http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/08/16/lincecums-velocity-dilemma-either-its-simple-worn-down-arm-or-its-complicated-anything-els/)

Brutus
08-18-2010, 03:43 PM
His K-rate is down, his walks are up, his HR-rate is doubled.

That ERA in June should likley have been higher based on his rates.

He's not the same guy. He doesn't throw nearly as hard as he used to.

Though he is still good, there is every reason to be concerned.

Concerned? About what? His FIP is 3.27.

His K-Rate is still 9.73 and walk rate 3.45. It should also be noted that his BABIP is 20 points higher than usual, his HR/FB ratio is finally around a sustainable 9% (it's been 5.5% each of the past two seasons) and his GB/FB ratio is actually better than usual.

These aren't exactly red flags here. Certainly not in this short a sample. If it continues over the next year or two, that would be one thing.

RBA
08-18-2010, 03:44 PM
Wow, a pitch at his feet called a strike.

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 03:44 PM
He still is 2nd in the league in Ks.

I'm not suggesting he's horrible.

He's just not the dominant pitcher this year that he was in the past.

His fastball sits in the low 90's these days.

membengal
08-18-2010, 03:45 PM
Tell you what, the Brewers not having much better luck with the Wainwright yakkers than the Reds do. That curveball is the truth.

Brutus
08-18-2010, 03:51 PM
I'm not suggesting he's horrible.

He's just not the dominant pitcher this year that he was in the past.

His fastball sits in the low 90's these days.

According to Fangraphs, he's on pace to have the same quality of fastball he's had the previous two years despite his loss in velocity. His best pitch has always been his changeup (which he's ranked No. 5 in all of baseball with this year).

Even for what he is, there's only been about a dozen pitchers in baseball that's statistically had a better year.

Rumors of his demise are greatly exaggerated indeed.

Tornon
08-18-2010, 03:53 PM
Wolf sets Lopez-Jay-Pujols down.. 1-0 after 6

OesterPoster
08-18-2010, 03:54 PM
Wainwright with 8 ground ball outs.
Wolf with 9 fly ball outs.

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 03:57 PM
Concerned? About what? His FIP is 3.27.




Which is about a run higher than his last two years.

I'd be mostly concerned about a big drop in velocity. That usually spells trouble with a capital TJ.

Heath
08-18-2010, 03:58 PM
Hey, FYI from the Moderator deck - these Card threads are a great idea, they are definately worth it. However, we'll move this to the Game Thread Subfolder when we are finished.

Also, from tomorrow on, please start Card game threads in the Game Thread subfolders. Thanks!

fearofpopvol1
08-18-2010, 03:59 PM
Brew Crew scores another run thanks to Cain!! And he's on 3B with only 1 out. C'mon Crew, get in this 3rd run!!

Cedric
08-18-2010, 04:00 PM
Which is about a run higher than his last two years.

I'd be mostly concerned about a big drop in velocity. That usually spells trouble with a capital TJ.

Exactly. Who wouldn't be concerned about a run increase and major velocity decrease.

That's a huge difference.

fearofpopvol1
08-18-2010, 04:02 PM
Crew scores another run on a sac fly!! 3-0 Crew!!

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 04:02 PM
Crew scores another run on a sac fly!! 3-0 Crew!!


GameCast has it pretty shallow, anyone see it?

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:02 PM
That was a SHORT flyball to RF...Craig has NO arm. None. Zero arm. Even with Cain's speed, that was an awful throw.

Brutus
08-18-2010, 04:03 PM
Which is about a run higher than his last two years.

I'd be mostly concerned about a big drop in velocity. That usually spells trouble with a capital TJ.

Last year his velocity dropped 1.5 MPH from 2008 and he actually had a far better year. The velocity could indicate something is wrong. But it doesn't always.

I'm not disputing the possibility that it has... but whatever the chance that something is wrong, he's been far better this year despite those problems than he's given credit for. He's a top 15 pitcher across baseball. Yet some people are jumping up and down hoping the Reds face him.

Ghosts of 1990
08-18-2010, 04:03 PM
well this is a daymaker

fearofpopvol1
08-18-2010, 04:03 PM
It was very shallow...but in all honesty...Cain is FAST. The guy can fly. I'm not sure even someone with a great arm gets him.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:03 PM
GameCast has it pretty shallow, anyone see it?

Beyond shallow. Shockingly shallow.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:04 PM
It was very shallow...but in all honesty...Cain is FAST. The guy can fly. I'm not sure even someone with a great arm gets him.

Fully disagree. Cain is FAST, but that is NOT a ball that should have been a score.

That throw was atrocious. Weak, off-line.

Brutus
08-18-2010, 04:05 PM
Exactly. Who wouldn't be concerned about a run increase and major velocity decrease.

That's a huge difference.

The subject though isn't about whether or not he has injury problems. It's about whether or not Reds fans should be eager to face him. People are all "I'm not worried about facing him" despite the fact he's still one of the leaders in strikeouts and been a top 10-15 pitcher all year.

We're still talking about a guy with a 3.27 FIP and people seem excited to face him. It's strange, to be perfectly honest.

Homer Bailey
08-18-2010, 04:06 PM
The subject though isn't about whether or not he has injury problems. It's about whether or not Reds fans should be eager to face him. People are all "I'm not worried about facing him" despite the fact he's still one of the leaders in strikeouts and been a top 10-15 pitcher all year.

We're still talking about a guy with a 3.27 FIP and people seem excited to face him. It's strange, to be perfectly honest.

No, it was about you saying that Cain and Lincecum basically evened each other out. I'd rather face Lincecum than Cain at this point.

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 04:07 PM
The subject though isn't about whether or not he has injury problems. It's about whether or not Reds fans should be eager to face him. People are all "I'm not worried about facing him" despite the fact he's still one of the leaders in strikeouts and been a top 10-15 pitcher all year.

We're still talking about a guy with a 3.27 FIP and people seem excited to face him. It's strange, to be perfectly honest.

I think the issue was whether you would want to face Cain or Lincecum.

Not whether you were squeezing your knees with the thought of facing Lincecum.

Cedric
08-18-2010, 04:08 PM
The subject though isn't about whether or not he has injury problems. It's about whether or not Reds fans should be eager to face him. People are all "I'm not worried about facing him" despite the fact he's still one of the leaders in strikeouts and been a top 10-15 pitcher all year.

We're still talking about a guy with a 3.27 FIP and people seem excited to face him. It's strange, to be perfectly honest.

I thought we were talking about having to face Cain and not Lincecum? At this point I would rather face Lincecum was all I'm saying.

fearofpopvol1
08-18-2010, 04:08 PM
Fully disagree. Cain is FAST, but that is NOT a ball that should have been a score.

That throw was atrocious. Weak, off-line.

We can agree to disagree. Cain didn't even need to slide (even though he did).

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:09 PM
We can agree to disagree. Cain didn't even need to slide (even though he did).

Right. Because it was an awful throw from a spot just beyond where a 2b would range for a pop-up.

Tornon
08-18-2010, 04:10 PM
Wolf cruises through 4-5-6 in the Cards order.. 3-0 Milwaukee after 7

OesterPoster
08-18-2010, 04:10 PM
11 fly ball outs now for Wolf.

Ghosts of 1990
08-18-2010, 04:11 PM
A lot of disagreements going on within this thread... for a fan base that COULD be up 3 games at nights end....

Pennant race is one game at a time, tonight/today's game.


We face righty Rodrigo Lopez. He has yielded 27 homers this season... I love it.

_Sir_Charles_
08-18-2010, 04:13 PM
They just keep running Molina/ Holliday/ Pujols out there, day after day after day. That's can't be good, can it?

Big horses haven't missed a start.

And yet, they are 2 games back.

I seem to recall several days where Pujols got a rest. Can't say the same for Holliday & Molina though.

Tornon
08-18-2010, 04:13 PM
A lot of disagreements going on within this thread... for a fan base that COULD be up 3 games at nights end....



Well disagreements are kind of what make a message board.. there wouldn't be much discussion without differing opinions.

I guess what I'm saying is I disagree with you :D

Brutus
08-18-2010, 04:15 PM
No, it was about you saying that Cain and Lincecum basically evened each other out. I'd rather face Lincecum than Cain at this point.

Yet Lincecum's FIP is .4 of a run better than Cain.

Caveat Emperor
08-18-2010, 04:15 PM
Just to give everyone a heads-up -- from this point forward, all game threads (of any type) are to be started in the game threads sub form.

We don't have a problem with people doing non-Reds game threads (and I'm, frankly, amused that this thread will probably generate more posts than several variants on some home-team message boards), but please keep them in the proper forum.

Thanks!

fearofpopvol1
08-18-2010, 04:16 PM
Right. Because it was an awful throw from a spot just beyond where a 2b would range for a pop-up.

Because Cain was fast moreso and the fly out was a little deeper than you've made it seem.

Tornon
08-18-2010, 04:17 PM
Although.. it can get kind of confusing because the 2 debates ongoing in this thread are involving a Cain of some sort

_Sir_Charles_
08-18-2010, 04:17 PM
Just to give everyone a heads-up -- from this point forward, all game threads (of any type) are to be started in the game threads sub form.

We don't have a problem with people doing non-Reds game threads (and I'm, frankly, amused that this thread will probably generate more posts than several variants on some home-team message boards), but please keep them in the proper forum.

Thanks!

I think people saw this already, just got lost in the mix. You may want to consider a sticky in the game thread folder & one here.

But seriously, when was the last time the Reds fan-base SERIOUSLY followed a game NOT including the Reds...for the Reds sake. :O) Nice to see.

Brutus
08-18-2010, 04:18 PM
Although.. it can get kind of confusing because the 2 debates ongoing in this thread are involving a Cain of some sort

Cain you dig it?

Chip R
08-18-2010, 04:20 PM
I wandered in here expecting scoring updates and instead it's a discussion of Giants pitchers. Let's keep this thread on topic, shall we?

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2010, 04:21 PM
Still 3-0 Brewers in the bottom of the 8th inning. Two outs and nobody on base for the Cardinals.

The Voice of IH
08-18-2010, 04:21 PM
I wandered in here expecting scoring updates and instead it's a discussion of Giants pitchers. Let's keep this thread on topic, shall we?

its what keeps this thread from moving to the IGF!

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:21 PM
Randy Wolf is dealing. Flat dealing. The Cardinals are not squaring up much of anything.

Makes me feel better for when has done this to the Reds in the past.

OesterPoster
08-18-2010, 04:21 PM
Good grief...Wolf now with 13 fly ball outs.

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 04:22 PM
Lets face it, Cain was able to score from third because he was Able.....

oneupper
08-18-2010, 04:23 PM
Brendan Ryan gets on with an HBP that hits the bat knob.

fearofpopvol1
08-18-2010, 04:23 PM
Wolf pegs Ryan. Not a smart idea...even though it was unintentional.

Now the Brewers will have to face Holliday.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:23 PM
That didn't hit Ryan, it hit the knob of the bat. The whiners are simply stealing a HBP from it.

OesterPoster
08-18-2010, 04:23 PM
He's obviously a head hunter.

fearofpopvol1
08-18-2010, 04:24 PM
Inning over, still 3-0 Brew Crew.

oneupper
08-18-2010, 04:25 PM
Inning over. Card tricks have no effect.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:25 PM
Lets face it, Cain was able to score from third because he was Able.....

Biblical joke high five!

dsmith421
08-18-2010, 04:25 PM
No Hoffman, pleez.

kbrake
08-18-2010, 04:25 PM
I was just in the car and had XM on not sure which teams announcers but they were saying TLR was upset and held the ball just staring at Wolf. Suprise suprise.

The Voice of IH
08-18-2010, 04:25 PM
looking ahead the Reds play tomorrow, and the Cards are off. that means the reds are going to have played 3 more games then the birds.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:25 PM
Inning over. Card tricks have no effect.

Word. Best part was Larussa AND the trainer out to attend to Ryan, who, again, was NOT hit by the pitch.

traderumor
08-18-2010, 04:26 PM
I was just in the car and had XM on not sure which teams announcers but they were saying TLR was upset and held the ball just staring at Wolf. Suprise suprise.Yea, they are trying to back the heavy hitting Ryan off the plate, or put him out to remove his hot bat from the lineup.

redsmetz
08-18-2010, 04:26 PM
They're working on their Academy Award nominations, right?

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 04:27 PM
No Hoffman, pleez.

No chance.

It might be Wolf, especially with Jay now leading off.

It will be Axford as needed, as the Brewers probably want to beat the Cards as much as we want them to.

I think the whole Central conference would rather the Reds win than the Cards.

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 04:29 PM
The Cards have their closer in the game in the 9th.

Bets on whether Larussa woke up from a drunken stupor and just assumes the Cards are winning?

As they deserve to be doing.

oneupper
08-18-2010, 04:29 PM
Cards are off tomorrow. I guess TLR thinks Franklin needs some work.

The Voice of IH
08-18-2010, 04:30 PM
The Cards have their closer in the game in the 9th.

Bets on whether Larussa woke up from a drunken stupor and just assumes the Cards are winning?

As they deserve to be doing.

oh boy someone hide the keys.

kaldaniels
08-18-2010, 04:31 PM
looking ahead the Reds play tomorrow, and the Cards are off. that means the reds are going to have played 3 more games then the birds.

Don't the Cards finish with 40 games in 41 days or something of that ilk?

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 04:32 PM
Don't the Cards finish with 40 games in 41 days or something of that ilk?

Yep.

The Voice of IH
08-18-2010, 04:32 PM
I think with the marlins game They have to

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2010, 04:35 PM
3-0 Brewers heading to the bottom of the 9th inning. I would leave Randy Wolf in to face Jon Jay.

Nasty_Boy
08-18-2010, 04:35 PM
kbrake
I just heard the same thing... LaRussa makes me sick! And from Redszone accounts the ball didn't even hit Ryan. Listening to it on the radio it sounded like it was up around the shoulders and head. Tony LaRussa and the Cards, patron saints of baseball!

Ghosts of 1990
08-18-2010, 04:35 PM
I think with the marlins game They have to

Have they decided yet how they're going to make it up or where? I haven't seen any decision but haven't been looking.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:35 PM
I am pretty sure the whiners didn't return home from Cincy and think they could drop four of five to the Cubs and Brewers, but that's what may be happening if Milwaukee can close this out.

Randy Wolf has been ridic good today.

OesterPoster
08-18-2010, 04:36 PM
Have they decided yet how they're going to make it up or where? I haven't seen any decision but haven't been looking.

Not decided yet. They'd have to sign off on playing the game on September 20th, which would mean 41 games in 41 days. They'd prefer October 4th, but the facility is occupied. Hopefully the Reds lead by 1.5, and it becomes moot.

Cedric
08-18-2010, 04:37 PM
Very nice play by Prince there.

Ghosts of 1990
08-18-2010, 04:37 PM
Not decided yet. They'd have to sign off on playing the game on September 20th, which would mean 41 games in 41 days. They'd prefer October 4th, but the facility is occupied. Hopefully the Reds lead by 1.5, and it becomes moot.

either way, that's a grueling pace to ford the river for the Cards.... news is getting better and better it seems.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:37 PM
Brewers announcers going over Wolf's career pitching highlights...his best game ever was a one-hitter in 2001 against...the Reds.

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 04:37 PM
Gee, down by 3 they bring in Winn to PH for Jay, and he promptly swings at the first two pitches, grounding out.

OesterPoster
08-18-2010, 04:38 PM
Gee, down by 3 they bring in Winn to PH for Jay, and he promptly swings at the first two pitches, grounding out.

Never, never, question the genius of Tony LaRussa.

Cedric
08-18-2010, 04:39 PM
Pujols just murdered that ball. I can just imagine the top spin on that thing. Double with one out.

kaldaniels
08-18-2010, 04:40 PM
Double by Sir A.....never mind....Albert

kaldaniels
08-18-2010, 04:41 PM
I think Albert has a way better shot at Votto at the triple crown and could sneak up and grab it with a hot September...JMHO. Very serious on that.

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 04:43 PM
I think Albert has a way better shot at Votto at the triple crown and could sneak up and grab it with a hot September...JMHO. Very serious on that.

Absolutely, and he may need to for the Cards to win.

The cards don't score if he and Holliday are not hitting.

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 04:43 PM
John Axford is in to pitch for the Brewers

Redsfan320
08-18-2010, 04:43 PM
Axford coming in... 42.1 IP, 2.76 ERA, 18/20 saves. He's been good, to say the least.

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kbrake
08-18-2010, 04:44 PM
When did Johnny Gomes start playing LF for the Brewers?

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 04:44 PM
Holliday doubled in a run. 3-1 Brewers

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:44 PM
Ryan Braun has misplayed both those balls this inning, and both times it has led to gift "doubles" for stl.

That was positively Gomes-esque of Braun. Twice.

Cedric
08-18-2010, 04:45 PM
Braun is always going to be a butcher. That won't ever change.

oneupper
08-18-2010, 04:45 PM
Braun looking awful out there. Is he really that bad?

Redsfan320
08-18-2010, 04:45 PM
2B, RBI
2B->H, R/ Pujols
1 out
Craig up

SCORE CHANGE: 3-1, Brewers

Yeah.

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Redsfan320
08-18-2010, 04:45 PM
So... just following on the cptr with At-Bat. What did Braun do?

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oneupper
08-18-2010, 04:45 PM
C'mon Brewers.....get it done.

sabometrics
08-18-2010, 04:46 PM
HBP ... Axford is imploding.

Redsfan320
08-18-2010, 04:46 PM
Scumaker PHing

HBP
Runners on 1st and 2nd
1 out
Molina up

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Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 04:46 PM
This is not going well now Schumaker is hit by a pitch

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:46 PM
Schumacher then HBP. He was actually HBP too.

First and second, one out. 3-1 game.

OesterPoster
08-18-2010, 04:46 PM
Didn't Axford just go more than 1 inning last night?

Redsfan320
08-18-2010, 04:46 PM
Tying run on 1st... walk-off run at the plate

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Cedric
08-18-2010, 04:46 PM
Cardinals don't seem to be able to score unless it's the 9th inning.

Hopefully it's a Molina DBP time.

kbrake
08-18-2010, 04:46 PM
So... just following on the cptr with At-Bat. What did Braun do?

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On the Holliday ball looked like he broke in then back and it was over his head before he could recover.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:47 PM
HBP ... Axford is imploding.

Nope. Braun should have caught the Holliday line drive. Hard to say Axford is imploding when he gets no defense behind him.

Redsfan320
08-18-2010, 04:47 PM
Didn't Axford just go more than 1 inning last night?

Yeah, come to think of it, he did.


On the Holliday ball looked like he broke in then back and it was over his head before he could recover.

Ugh

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membengal
08-18-2010, 04:47 PM
Didn't Axford just go more than 1 inning last night?

Yes. Brewers TV crew worried about his workload of late.

Redsfan320
08-18-2010, 04:47 PM
There was an injury delay after the Schumaker HBP... I'm guessing he got hit hard.

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Ghosts of 1990
08-18-2010, 04:49 PM
Just win the game... unreal

sabometrics
08-18-2010, 04:49 PM
Yady down looking! 1 to go.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:49 PM
Molina Ks looking for the second out. Could not have happened to a better whiner.

oneupper
08-18-2010, 04:49 PM
Molina out on strike 4. (previous pitch was on the black. not called).

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2010, 04:49 PM
Molina K's. Two outs.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:49 PM
Aaron Miles up.

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 04:50 PM
Big K as Molina is called out on a 96 MPH fastball

kaldaniels
08-18-2010, 04:50 PM
Our boy Aaron Miles up.

oneupper
08-18-2010, 04:50 PM
Our boy Aaron Miles up.

Tell him to pull the ball.

hebroncougar
08-18-2010, 04:50 PM
That catcher better stop backhanding balls in the dirt with the tying run on first.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:51 PM
Fielder lets a ball go through his legs.

3-2 Brewers.

1st and 3rd. still two outs.

kbrake
08-18-2010, 04:51 PM
Unreal.

sabometrics
08-18-2010, 04:52 PM
Wow.

Chip R
08-18-2010, 04:52 PM
Fielder lets a ball go through his legs.

3-2 Brewers.

2nd and 3rd. still two outs.


If it was a donut he would have got it.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:52 PM
Brewers have given stl FIVE outs this inning. Indeed, unreal.

hebroncougar
08-18-2010, 04:52 PM
Error on Fielder, allows 1 run to score, tying run on third, winning on first.

kaldaniels
08-18-2010, 04:52 PM
Didn't see it...compare it to the Buckner play someone.

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 04:52 PM
Brewers are giving this game away. Rasmus now pinch hitting.

hebroncougar
08-18-2010, 04:53 PM
Didn't see it...compare it to the Buckner play someone.

In between hop on a high hopper ate him up. Didn't get in front of it.

oneupper
08-18-2010, 04:53 PM
Hard bouncer. But Fielder played it like a "torero" OLE.

sabometrics
08-18-2010, 04:53 PM
Injury delay again?

TheNext44
08-18-2010, 04:53 PM
Escobar limping off the field with help from the trainers.

Ghosts of 1990
08-18-2010, 04:54 PM
this is unbelievable. I'm gritting my teeth in anger and disgust. There's no doubt in my mind st. louis wins

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:54 PM
No idea how Escobar hurt himself, but he sure messed up his ankle.

Good luck, Axford, you've already done your job twice this inning.

TheNext44
08-18-2010, 04:54 PM
You really don't have to look hard to understand why the Brewers have a losing record.

oneupper
08-18-2010, 04:55 PM
this is unbelievable. I'm gritting my teeth in anger and disgust. There's no doubt in my mind st. louis wins

Brewers will come through. I'm a believer.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:55 PM
Rasmus up, runners at first and third. Two outs. 3-2 Brewers lead.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:55 PM
Rasmus, fresh off complaining about being used to pinch hit yesterday...

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2010, 04:55 PM
Yeah, I don't see the Brewers hanging on now. Terrible defense from Braun and Fielder.

oneupper
08-18-2010, 04:56 PM
Yeah, I don't see the Brewers hanging on now. Terrible defense from Braun and Fielder.

Have faith OBM wanobi.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:56 PM
2-0 count on Rasmus.

LaGenius down to one pinch-hitter.

NDRed
08-18-2010, 04:56 PM
Brewers ever consider defensive substittions with a 3 run lead?

TheNext44
08-18-2010, 04:56 PM
I understand why Macha took Wolf out, but I don't agree with it.

He gave a hard hit ball that should have been caught to the best hitter in baseball I'd take my chances with him until the tying run gets on base.

kbrake
08-18-2010, 04:56 PM
Rasmus, fresh off complaining about being used to pinch hit yesterday...

Yeah Rasmus and TLR are appearing to have a Bobby Cox Yunel Escobar type relationship.

Playadlc
08-18-2010, 04:56 PM
Rather face Ryan here anyway.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:57 PM
Rasmus walks on four pitches.

Brendan Ryan up.

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 04:57 PM
4 pitch walk. Bases loaded.

hebroncougar
08-18-2010, 04:57 PM
Walk puts winning run on 2nd.

TheNext44
08-18-2010, 04:57 PM
Brewers ever consider defensive substittions with a 3 run lead?

Macha is just not a very good manager. Never has been.

sabometrics
08-18-2010, 04:57 PM
4 pitch walk. Go-ahead run on 2nd.

oneupper
08-18-2010, 04:57 PM
OMG Hoffman in!

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:57 PM
Game re-set:

3-2 Brewers lead. Cards with bases full. Two outs.

And Axford being lifted for Trevor Hoffman.

hebroncougar
08-18-2010, 04:57 PM
OMG Hoffman in!

Wow..........Axford is gassed though.

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 04:57 PM
Dear God, I think they are bringing in Hoffman.

And I agree with it.

Axford is toast.

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 04:57 PM
OMG Hoffman in!

Wow. Fire meet gasoline.

kbrake
08-18-2010, 04:57 PM
HOFFMAN? Are they even trying?

Tornon
08-18-2010, 04:58 PM
It is Brendan Ryan.. so there's some hope

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:58 PM
And, don't forget, the not-quick Craig Counsell forced into action at SS to replace Escobar...

SirFelixCat
08-18-2010, 04:58 PM
This is painful to watch. Wow.

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2010, 04:58 PM
Hoffman? You have gotta be kidding me. Freaking Braun and Fielder.

oneupper
08-18-2010, 04:58 PM
I kind of like it. It is Brendan Ryan, after all. IIRC Hoffman's problem was the long ball.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:59 PM
Yeah, this inning is ENTIRELY on the Brewers defense. Not. good.

CTA513
08-18-2010, 04:59 PM
Is Rasmus hurt? just wondering because according to gameday Lohse is pinch running for him.

membengal
08-18-2010, 04:59 PM
Is Rasmus hurt? just wondering because according to gameday Lohse is pinch running for him.

Yes. Strained calf. Wasn't even supposed to pinch-hit.

membengal
08-18-2010, 05:00 PM
First pitch yanked foul. My heart stopped.

SirFelixCat
08-18-2010, 05:00 PM
Wow, that scared me off the bat. Pulled it foul.

flyer85
08-18-2010, 05:01 PM
Hoffmans problem is that his fastball sits in the low 80s

OesterPoster
08-18-2010, 05:01 PM
Hope that was a changeup and not his FB.

SirFelixCat
08-18-2010, 05:01 PM
Way ahead now...come on Mr. Hells Bells!

membengal
08-18-2010, 05:01 PM
Next pitch fouled off. 0-2 count.

hebroncougar
08-18-2010, 05:01 PM
0-2

fearofpopvol1
08-18-2010, 05:01 PM
Brew Crew wins!!

SirFelixCat
08-18-2010, 05:01 PM
He Gone!

oneupper
08-18-2010, 05:01 PM
O ye of little faith!

membengal
08-18-2010, 05:01 PM
KKKKKKKK
!!!!!!!

Cyclone792
08-18-2010, 05:01 PM
Save #598 never looked so good!

hebroncougar
08-18-2010, 05:01 PM
K

Ghosts of 1990
08-18-2010, 05:01 PM
I'm shocked.

westofyou
08-18-2010, 05:01 PM
If you squint at this game and hold a red gel in front of the screen you'll think you're watching a Reds game from a few seasons ago.

BRM
08-18-2010, 05:02 PM
4 in a row now for the Sleeping Giant.

membengal
08-18-2010, 05:02 PM
thank YOU trevor hoffman!

Brutus
08-18-2010, 05:02 PM
What a fortuitous end.

Chip R
08-18-2010, 05:02 PM
Whew!

membengal
08-18-2010, 05:02 PM
If you squint at this game and hold a red gel in front of the screen you'll think you're watching a Reds game from a few seasons ago.

Heh.

+1 for woy.

Wheelhouse
08-18-2010, 05:02 PM
Just delicious.

Reds Fanatic
08-18-2010, 05:02 PM
Nice 4 game losing streak for the Cards and they have a tough series this weekend as the Giants are in St. Louis.

_Sir_Charles_
08-18-2010, 05:04 PM
I'd love to see us get some serious separation from the Cards in the next week or so. Love. It.

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2010, 05:04 PM
Yeah, I don't see the Brewers hanging on now. Terrible defense from Braun and Fielder.

Thanks for proving me wrong Trevor. That would have been an epic meltdown by the Brewers.

Homer Bailey
08-18-2010, 05:04 PM
Yeeeeah buddy

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 05:04 PM
Letting Hoffman go in the expansion draft has finally paid dividends......

_Sir_Charles_
08-18-2010, 05:04 PM
Thanks for proving me wrong Trevor. That would have been an epic meltdown by the Brewers.

Epic? No, that award goes to the Reds this year.

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2010, 05:05 PM
If you squint at this game and hold a red gel in front of the screen you'll think you're watching a Reds game from a few seasons ago.

Indeed.

kaldaniels
08-18-2010, 05:05 PM
Letting Hoffman go in the expansion draft has finally paid dividends......

You gotta look several steps ahead when you make a move Puffy...don't be so nearsighted.

Caveat Emperor
08-18-2010, 05:05 PM
If you squint at this game and hold a red gel in front of the screen you'll think you're watching a Reds game from a few seasons ago.

Maybe imagine the names "GRAVES" on the back of the guy pitching the 9th, "ENCARNACION" on the back of the infielder booting the ball, and "DUNN" on the LF who can't make the play.

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2010, 05:05 PM
Epic? No, that award goes to the Reds this year.

Touche.

PuffyPig
08-18-2010, 05:05 PM
I'd love to see us get some serious separation from the Cards in the next week or so. Love. It.

If we can gain on the west coast trip, we can gain anywhere.....

OesterPoster
08-18-2010, 05:05 PM
Magic number drops to 42!