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Redlegs
08-18-2010, 07:34 PM
When all the dust settles on the 2010 regular season, I think the Reds win this divison by 4 or 5 games. I just think they have a better team than the Cardinals. The head to head record not withstanding, the Redlegs have a better pitching staff (top to bottom), a better bench, and a far superior infield both offensively and defensively.

Pujols one of the top players in both leagues...sure.
Carpenter & Wainright the top 2 pitchers in the league...perhaps.

But I think that's where the comparisons end. The Reds are a better club in 2010 and I truly believe they'll show that by the time this thing winds down. They clearly were pressing against St Louis and if they can overcome that, they'll have this thing on cruise control by mid September.

This is how I feel and the 6 Hudy Delights I have enjoyed this evening plays no factor in my prediciton. :beerme:

Degenerate39
08-18-2010, 07:41 PM
If Pujols is one of the top players in both leagues then so is Joey Votto. Just sayin'

cincrazy
08-18-2010, 07:43 PM
I'm not sure it's just due to pressing... I love the optimism, and I think we're going to hang on and win this thing. But the Cards sweeping us wasn't a fluke. Top to bottom, we're a better team. But the Cardinals have more star players, and that can mean a lot down the stretch in September. For as good as our staff is, we don't have a Carpenter or a Wainwright.

I fully expect the Cards to go find a bat, ANY bat, by the end of the month. If they can shore their offense up, they're going to be just as dangerous as ever.

I agree on your main point... that we're the better team. But I'd throw some caution to the wind before guaranteeing anything.

Homer Bailey
08-18-2010, 07:43 PM
It hasn't taken a few of us very long to become very arrogant.

Tornon
08-18-2010, 07:48 PM
It hasn't taken a few of us very long to become very arrogant.

I know.. the jinxes are starting to appear all over the place

blumj
08-18-2010, 08:07 PM
I know.. the jinxes are starting to appear all over the place

I thought being a baseball fan just automatically made you superstitious, I didn't realize some of us have to learn it the hard way.

RedsMan3203
08-18-2010, 08:10 PM
Reds and Cards end in a tie after 162 games... :)

Reds win 1 game playoff game with a Phillips HR in the top of the 9 and a CoCo save. :)

macro
08-18-2010, 08:34 PM
I know.. the jinxes are starting to appear all over the place

Yep, it does seem like we've been down this road (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84394) before.

Redlegs
08-18-2010, 08:46 PM
It hasn't taken a few of us very long to become very arrogant.Why would you say it's arrogance? It's an opinion. That's all.:thumbdown

Redlegs
08-18-2010, 08:50 PM
I thought being a baseball fan just automatically made you superstitious, I didn't realize some of us have to learn it the hard way.


I know.. the jinxes are starting to appear all over the place

Newsflash: Opinions on a message board have no affect on the field of play. Just so you know. Having confidence in the 2010 Reds team does not make one arrogant nor does it "guarantee" anything. Just my thoughts and my prediciton. That's it.

Redhook
08-18-2010, 08:52 PM
This is how I feel and the 6 Hudy Delights I have enjoyed this evening plays no factor in my prediciton. :beerme:

Very impressive that you've knocked back 6 Hudy's by 6:30. That fact alone increases your credibility ten-fold.

Redlegs
08-18-2010, 08:52 PM
I'm not sure it's just due to pressing... I love the optimism, and I think we're going to hang on and win this thing. But the Cards sweeping us wasn't a fluke. Top to bottom, we're a better team. But the Cardinals have more star players, and that can mean a lot down the stretch in September. For as good as our staff is, we don't have a Carpenter or a Wainwright.

I fully expect the Cards to go find a bat, ANY bat, by the end of the month. If they can shore their offense up, they're going to be just as dangerous as ever.

I agree on your main point... that we're the better team. But I'd throw some caution to the wind before guaranteeing anything.

Cards deserve a lot of credit for the sweep, but I look at the way the Reds played defense that makes me conclude that they were wound a little too tight for the series. The Cardinals were light years ahead of the Reds as far as how they responded to the brawl. They have the experience and are better in one area of the starting rotation. At least that's how I see it.

TheNext44
08-18-2010, 08:54 PM
Not to be a downer, but if longer Cordero stays the team's closer, the worse the odds are that they will make the playoffs.

I can't see a scenario where Cordero stays the Reds closer for the whole season, and they make the playoffs. There's not enough luck left.

Redlegs
08-18-2010, 08:54 PM
If Pujols is one of the top players in both leagues then so is Joey Votto. Just sayin'

Absolutely agree! The torch will be passed very soon.

Redlegs
08-18-2010, 08:56 PM
Very impressive that you've knocked back 6 Hudy's by 6:30. That fact alone increases your credibility ten-fold.

I was kidding. :beerme: However, Hudy is my adult beverage of choice.

Redlegs
08-18-2010, 08:56 PM
Not to be a downer, but if longer Cordero stays the team's closer, the worse the odds are that they will make the playoffs.

I can't see a scenario where Cordero stays the Reds closer for the whole season, and they make the playoffs. There's not enough luck left.

Very good point.

Brutus
08-18-2010, 10:22 PM
Some Sun Deckers are calling us out...

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84842

Ghosts of 1990
08-18-2010, 10:50 PM
I have been keeping my mouth shut about this and I will continue to; but I actually had a vision. An honest to goodness vision that we would not only win the division, but that we'd win the division handily and comfortably. That we'd have magic numbers that we'd attain and actually be able to rest some guys and worry about matchups in the postseason. This was an honest, non-homer vision I had. I forget when or how it came to me. We'll see if this once I wasn't right.

VR
08-18-2010, 10:51 PM
Reds will win central by 4 games



Pessimist.

Boss-Hog
08-18-2010, 10:56 PM
You're certainly allowed to voice your opinion, but by the same token, I agree with most of the others that it's bad karma - regardless of whether it affects the Reds' play (of course it doesn't). The last one of these didn't turn out so well.

Ghosts of 1990
08-18-2010, 11:24 PM
If we can get to a 4 or 5 game lead... wouldn't that be nice to sit pretty for a while? That would take quite a bad and unfortunate run. I just want to get to that point so I can relax.

westofyou
08-18-2010, 11:28 PM
Some Sun Deckers are calling us out...

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84842

Wait.. they have opinion on an opinion.... that's the RZ way!!

I surely would vote to let them all in... if I voted that is.

Brutus
08-18-2010, 11:36 PM
Wait.. they have opinion on an opinion.... that's the RZ way!!

I surely would vote to let them all in... if I voted that is.

I was really just honored that I'm part of the "elite." That made me warm & fuzzy.

macro
08-19-2010, 02:14 PM
Some Sun Deckers are calling us out...

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84842 (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84842)

I closed that thread in the SD and explained why it was closed. As tempting as it is to comment publicly, it's probably better to notify us privately when you see instances of one forum's members/posts being addressed or commented on negatively by the members of the other forum.

I realize that, in this case, "they" did it first, but still...

Tornon
08-19-2010, 02:18 PM
I have been keeping my mouth shut about this and I will continue to; but I actually had a vision. An honest to goodness vision that we would not only win the division, but that we'd win the division handily and comfortably. That we'd have magic numbers that we'd attain and actually be able to rest some guys and worry about matchups in the postseason. This was an honest, non-homer vision I had. I forget when or how it came to me. We'll see if this once I wasn't right.

Well I had a vision too about 11 months ago that Hunter Pence was going to be traded to the Dodgers.. so I hope your visions don't turn out like mine

Brutus
08-19-2010, 02:52 PM
I closed that thread in the SD and explained why it was closed. As tempting as it is to comment publicly, it's probably better to notify us privately when you see instances of one forum's members/posts being addressed or commented on negatively by the members of the other forum.

I realize that, in this case, "they" did it first, but still...

Makes sense. I thought of it more as entertainment value, but I think the philosophy you mention carries a lot of probative worth.

Homer Bailey
08-19-2010, 03:50 PM
Why would you say it's arrogance? It's an opinion. That's all.:thumbdown

I think it's arrogant to make a thread titled "Reds will win central by 4 games." Whether you believe it or not, it's not how I would like (and I don't mean to speak for others, but I'm guessing others agree) this board to be portrayed. Something like "My opinion on the Reds" is much more representative as to what you have to say rather than "Reds will win central by 4 games." There is nothing factual about that. It's entirely your prediction. I'm not saying you're not entitled to it, but I just don't think Reds fans have any reason to all of a sudden become that arrogant. I hate to see us turn into Cubs/Cardinals fans with just a wee bit of success.

Again, all of this is my opinion. Whether or not others agree with me is up for debate, but I know that fans of other teams read this site, and I do care about how Reds fans are portrayed. I take pride in the humbleness of most Reds fans. I used to be a semi-OSU fan when I lived in C-Bus, but I stopped when I saw how arrogant the fans acted towards others. Just a group I don't want to be a part of. And since WVU has had multiple 11 win seasons and BCS trophies, I've hated seeing a large portion of that fanbase become very cocky.

Brutus
08-19-2010, 04:10 PM
I think it's arrogant to make a thread titled "Reds will win central by 4 games." Whether you believe it or not, it's not how I would like (and I don't mean to speak for others, but I'm guessing others agree) this board to be portrayed. Something like "My opinion on the Reds" is much more representative as to what you have to say rather than "Reds will win central by 4 games." There is nothing factual about that. It's entirely your prediction. I'm not saying you're not entitled to it, but I just don't think Reds fans have any reason to all of a sudden become that arrogant. I hate to see us turn into Cubs/Cardinals fans with just a wee bit of success.


I know this isn't how it works often times, but intellectually, readers should equate such a thread to the poster's individual opinion and not be narrow enough to equate that as a representation of an entire group or board's opinions.

If a political figure spews racist or inhumane views, I would hope that people are smart enough to hold that against the candidate and not the party.

This is why I don't care that people want to bash another team or make bold predictions. I personally do not care for it. I don't like the mentality. But at the same time, I can be smart enough to separate individual from group think.

Homer Bailey
08-19-2010, 04:23 PM
I know this isn't how it works often times, but intellectually, readers should equate such a thread to the poster's individual opinion and not be narrow enough to equate that as a representation of an entire group or board's opinions.

If a political figure spews racist or inhumane views, I would hope that people are smart enough to hold that against the candidate and not the party.

This is why I don't care that people want to bash another team or make bold predictions. I personally do not care for it. I don't like the mentality. But at the same time, I can be smart enough to separate individual from group think.

I can be smart enough. You can be smart enough. A lot of people can't though.

I know it's silly in this message board that we live in, but I still do care about it. I hate myself for it, but I do.

Brutus
08-19-2010, 04:41 PM
I can be smart enough. You can be smart enough. A lot of people can't though.
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It is unfortunately true. I wish you were wrong about that, but you're not.

I've seen several cases where a single poster would say, "so-and-so sucks."

Then, on a different forum of the team that that person said sucked, another person would start a thread saying, "this board is talking about how our team sucks."

It's definitely amazing at how people don't always differentiate that.

Mario-Rijo
08-19-2010, 04:52 PM
It hasn't taken a few of us very long to become very arrogant.

One post, what other instances of arrogance are there?

Homer Bailey
08-19-2010, 05:05 PM
One post, what other instances of arrogance are there?

At least two. (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84394)

Mario-Rijo
08-19-2010, 05:07 PM
At least two. (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84394)

Ok you got me!

VR
08-19-2010, 05:08 PM
Karma can be a bad thing....especially if it runs over our dogma.

Redlegs
08-29-2010, 11:01 PM
I may have sold our boys a little short on my prediction. :cool:

I know, I know...there's still a lot of baseball to be played. Just having some fun and lovin' watching these Redlegs play the game.

marcshoe
08-29-2010, 11:29 PM
It's starting to look good, but I can understand why everyone's holding their collective breath. It's been a while. I think this team's too solid to collapse. Admittedly, there are a few holes, but the Reds are actually getting better in spots--Bruce getting hot and the bullpen shaping up, for instance. They are a starter or two short right now, and that's a worry. But still, I believe in them, and I don't see a collapse coming. I think they could actually pull away from the Cards, although I shouldn't say such things until after next weekend.

And I've only had one Guinness.

Redlegs
08-31-2010, 02:26 AM
It's starting to look good, but I can understand why everyone's holding their collective breath. It's been a while. I think this team's too solid to collapse. Admittedly, there are a few holes, but the Reds are actually getting better in spots--Bruce getting hot and the bullpen shaping up, for instance. They are a starter or two short right now, and that's a worry. But still, I believe in them, and I don't see a collapse coming. I think they could actually pull away from the Cards, although I shouldn't say such things until after next weekend.

And I've only had one Guinness.

Yeah, but that's like 3 or 4 Hudepohl's. :beerme:

redsmetz
10-04-2010, 09:08 AM
When all the dust settles on the 2010 regular season, I think the Reds win this divison by 4 or 5 games. I just think they have a better team than the Cardinals. The head to head record not withstanding, the Redlegs have a better pitching staff (top to bottom), a better bench, and a far superior infield both offensively and defensively.

Pujols one of the top players in both leagues...sure.
Carpenter & Wainright the top 2 pitchers in the league...perhaps.

But I think that's where the comparisons end. The Reds are a better club in 2010 and I truly believe they'll show that by the time this thing winds down. They clearly were pressing against St Louis and if they can overcome that, they'll have this thing on cruise control by mid September.

This is how I feel and the 6 Hudy Delights I have enjoyed this evening plays no factor in my prediciton. :beerme:

I thought I'd bump this one up and give kudos to Redlegs on a near perfect call (only "near perfect" given the thread title). He called it at 4 or 5 games over the Cardinals. Well done.

macro
10-04-2010, 10:23 AM
I thought about this thread Saturday and again yesterday when I realized that the final margin might indeed be four games.

PuffyPig
10-04-2010, 10:45 AM
I thought I'd bump this one up and give kudos to Redlegs on a near perfect call (only "near perfect" given the thread title). He called it at 4 or 5 games over the Cardinals. Well done.

Redlegs also agreed with a poster on this thread who suggested the Reds could not make the playoffs with Cordero as its closer.

if you make enough predictions, some will stick, some will not.

HeatherC1212
10-04-2010, 10:56 AM
Does Sir_Charles get some credit for accurately predicting the Reds final record?! I thought of that after the game yesterday. He totally nailed their record although he was a little off regarding their post season outcome, LOL :p: :laugh:

_Sir_Charles_
10-04-2010, 12:29 PM
Yeah, I really thought one of the Cards/Brewers/Cubs would step up and have a big year. Glad to be wrong on that count. However...if it DID happen...we would've just missed out on the wild card like I thought. Oh well...this way is MUCH better. :O)