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batsfan
08-19-2010, 01:22 PM
Last year, Baseball America named Carlos Santana the 10th best prospect in baseball. In 2009 he hit .290/.413/.530/.943 with 23 HR in 428 AA at bats. This year so far, Mesoraco has hit .315/.388/.616/1.004 with 24 HR in 349 at bats between A+, AA, and AAA. While Santana seems to have a great eye, and is a switch hitter, Mesoraco has better defense and power, and is more then a year younger then Santana was last year. Santana also has struggled to hit in the past, with a .688 OPS in A in 2007, though he had an excellent 2008. I know next year will have a different group of prospects in the top 100, but it seems like Devin is just as deserving of a top 10 spot, if not more, then Santana was, especially if he continues to hit AAA. What do you think?

dougdirt
08-19-2010, 01:25 PM
I would say that Santana was better than Mesoraco last year, but I also thought Santana was the 2nd best prospect in baseball last year. Still, I don't think Mesoraco is going to find himself in the Top 10. He may find himself into the top 50, maybe even a 25. But I don't think we will see him in a top 10.

mound_patrol
08-19-2010, 01:28 PM
Last year, Baseball America named Carlos Santana the 10th best prospect in baseball. In 2009 he hit .290/.413/.530/.943 with 23 HR in 428 AA at bats. This year so far, Mesoraco has hit .315/.388/.616/1.004 with 24 HR in 349 at bats between A+, AA, and AAA. While Santana seems to have a great eye, and is a switch hitter, Mesoraco has better defense and power, and is more then a year younger then Santana was last year. Santana also has struggled to hit in the past, with a .688 OPS in A in 2007, though he had an excellent 2008. I know next year will have a different group of prospects in the top 100, but it seems like Devin is just as deserving of a top 10 spot, if not more, then Santana was, especially if he continues to hit AAA. What do you think?

I think he's worth a top 25 ranking, but I personally believe he'll fall in somewhere around 50th. I think both Chapman and Alonso will be ranked higher.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2010, 01:41 PM
I think he definitely deserves a top 25 ranking. He's a legitimate contender for the Minor League Player of the Year award.

BakoTheTako
08-19-2010, 01:50 PM
There's no way you can tell me there is 25 better prospects in the minors than Mesoraco.

dougdirt
08-19-2010, 01:52 PM
There's no way you can tell me there is 25 better prospects in the minors than Mesoraco.

While you may be right, that doesn't mean that other people won't try to tell you that. They will. Just you wait and see this offseason.

edabbs44
08-19-2010, 01:55 PM
What's the track record for NR players going to the top 10 in one year? Top 25? Anyone have any examples?

BakoTheTako
08-19-2010, 01:57 PM
While you may be right, that doesn't mean that other people won't try to tell you that. They will. Just you wait and see this offseason.

I agree, I was just saying.

dougdirt
08-19-2010, 02:00 PM
Example number 1..... Matt Hagan at The Hardball Times (http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/fantasy/prospects/) (the list is fantasy slanted and still has guys who began the year as prospects (Heyward, Strasburg, Santana, Posey)....

72. Devin Mesoraco

GIDP
08-19-2010, 02:03 PM
He wont be because of politics. No one will be the guy who gets fooled by him twice.

lollipopcurve
08-19-2010, 02:04 PM
Example number 1..... Matt Hagan at The Hardball Times (the list is fantasy slanted and still has guys who began the year as prospects (Heyward, Strasburg, Santana, Posey)....

72. Devin Mesoraco

Gawdawful list.

dougdirt
08-19-2010, 02:11 PM
Gawdawful list.

It is pretty terrible...

PuffyPig
08-19-2010, 03:28 PM
I just don't see BA putting him top 10, which basically means they were undervaluing him at some stage.

If Mess had had decent years leading up to this year, he might well be top 10, even though he might still be the exact same prospect.

I think there's a bit of a having to pay your dues to get on the list, other than high drafted guys with lots of hype..

Bumstead
08-19-2010, 03:29 PM
hmmm...guess you didn't mean a top 10 Reds prospect then...He won't be a top 10 prospect in all of baseball and it won't have anything to do with politics. 1 tremendous season shouldn't turn a #30 Reds prospect (although that was a terrible ranking) into a top 10 in all of baseball.

dougdirt
08-19-2010, 03:40 PM
hmmm...guess you didn't mean a top 10 Reds prospect then...He won't be a top 10 prospect in all of baseball and it won't have anything to do with politics. 1 tremendous season shouldn't turn a #30 Reds prospect (although that was a terrible ranking) into a top 10 in all of baseball.
It isn't about the season, its about how he projects as a major leaguer. Sure, this season helps inform that answer, but the numbers are secondary to his talent and what that talent projects to be at the MLB level. Where he was previously ranked should have nothing to do with those projected talents.

Bumstead
08-19-2010, 03:53 PM
It isn't about the season, its about how he projects as a major leaguer. Sure, this season helps inform that answer, but the numbers are secondary to his talent and what that talent projects to be at the MLB level. Where he was previously ranked should have nothing to do with those projected talents.

So, then you think he's a top 10 prospect when looking at next year's list? I don't, but I think he's easily in the top 50.

dougdirt
08-19-2010, 04:08 PM
So, then you think he's a top 10 prospect when looking at next year's list? I don't, but I think he's easily in the top 50.

I don't really know for sure. I haven't put in the research for it all yet. Ask me again in November when I have gone through 500 players from all of the minors.

Bumstead
08-19-2010, 04:25 PM
I don't really know for sure. I haven't put in the research for it all yet. Ask me again in November when I have gone through 500 players from all of the minors.

Oh, C'mon Doug...He's definitely top 3 for the Reds and since he's a catcher, he's probably at least #2, right?

dougdirt
08-19-2010, 04:47 PM
Oh, C'mon Doug...He's definitely top 3 for the Reds and since he's a catcher, he's probably at least #2, right?

For the Reds he is easily #2. I meant for the entire minor leagues. He is certainly top 50.... but beyond that I simply don't know with certainty where I would rank him within that area because I haven't gone through enough other guys at this point from other teams.

Bumstead
08-19-2010, 04:55 PM
Just giving you a hard time. I haven't done that in a while. I agree, it is too early to make that determination.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-19-2010, 04:56 PM
I voted yes, but misunderstood thinking it was top 10 prospect in the Reds system. I knew something was wrong when the votes were so close.

Not sure about all of baseball. I'd say if he continues his great season in AAA, he's top 10.

Mario-Rijo
08-20-2010, 10:21 AM
I voted no, just too many "potential" ACES and middle of the order bats right now and they tend to get the top billing. Not saying it's right, just sayin'.

Caveat Emperor
08-20-2010, 11:18 AM
He wont be because of politics. No one will be the guy who gets fooled by him twice.

Pretty much summed it up right here. There's no way everyone jumps back on the wagon. There'll be enough caveats in his evaluation ("...needs to prove he wasn't a 1-year wonder" / "...questions remain..." etc.) that it'll keep him from entering Top-10 or Top-25 status.

GIDP
08-20-2010, 01:57 PM
I voted no, just too many "potential" ACES and middle of the order bats right now and they tend to get the top billing. Not saying it's right, just sayin'.

Mes is looking like a middle of the order bat though.

Mario-Rijo
08-20-2010, 03:10 PM
Mes is looking like a middle of the order bat though.

And at catcher. Not sure I disagree but I would suspect the "experts" would out of hand. I'd have to really think about it further myself I have tried to not put a ceiling on him to this point. But along with that hasn't allowed me to think floor much either.

GIDP
08-20-2010, 03:16 PM
And at catcher. Not sure I disagree but I would suspect the "experts" would out of hand. I'd have to really think about it further myself I have tried to not put a ceiling on him to this point. But along with that hasn't allowed me to think floor much either.

they just simply arent going to rank him as high because if they say "hes a great prospect" and struggles they will look like fools. Instead they are going to play it safe to cover up their lazy ranking in the past.

mbgrayson
08-20-2010, 03:38 PM
I voted yes, but misunderstood thinking it was top 10 prospect in the Reds system. I knew something was wrong when the votes were so close.

Not sure about all of baseball. I'd say if he continues his great season in AAA, he's top 10.

I made the same assumption when I voted, thinkig the question was about top 10 in the Reds system.