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corkedbat
08-21-2010, 02:18 AM
Brandon might just be worth it next year. BTW, he and Janish are a lot of fun to watch turning the DPs.

Spitball
08-21-2010, 10:24 AM
Brandon might just be worth it next year. BTW, he and Janish are a lot of fun to watch turning the DPs.

:thumbup: I used to think he was kind of a punk out there, but since moving to the leadoff spot, he seems to have been an inspirational force on the field.

reds1869
08-21-2010, 11:26 AM
$12M for the most well-rounded 2B in the game sounds like a good deal to me. Leadoff is a great fit for him and will be even better if his hamstring problem can improve with rest over the offseason.

RANDY IN INDY
08-21-2010, 12:38 PM
Agree. I think batting leadoff has done wonders for Phillips, offensively. Not nearly as many wild swings.

kaldaniels
08-21-2010, 12:44 PM
I don't want to take away from Votto, but Phillips deserves some MVP votes.

Spitball
08-21-2010, 01:02 PM
I don't want to take away from Votto, but Phillips deserves some MVP votes.

I agree. It is hard to argue with Votto's incredible offensive contributions, but Phillips and Rolen make a case for a revisit to MV3.

SirFelixCat
08-21-2010, 02:17 PM
I think it's a no-brainer that BP is back next season. The bigger question, though, is do they sign him to something like a 3-4 yr contract? He obviously has made HUGE strides since moving up in the lineup and he's as good as there is defensively. I say they get something like that done this off-season. Thoughts?

TheNext44
08-21-2010, 02:56 PM
I think it's a no-brainer that BP is back next season. The bigger question, though, is do they sign him to something like a 3-4 yr contract? He obviously has made HUGE strides since moving up in the lineup and he's as good as there is defensively. I say they get something like that done this off-season. Thoughts?

He seems like a great candidate for a rolenesque extension. Reduce 2011's salary and extend it for a few more years. He seems to like it here (better than St. Louis ;)) and usually players like to reward organizations that gave them a second chance. He also seems like the guy who would be willing sign a hometown discount if it would help the team get better players. Say what you want about Phillips, but you can't say that he doesn't want to win.

The Voice of IH
08-21-2010, 03:41 PM
He seems like a great candidate for a rolenesque extension. Reduce 2011's salary and extend it for a few more years. He seems to like it here (better than St. Louis ;)) and usually players like to reward organizations that gave them a second chance. He also seems like the guy who would be willing sign a hometown discount if it would help the team get better players. Say what you want about Phillips, but you can't say that he doesn't want to win.

he would, except it would be with Atlanta, not Cincy

kaldaniels
08-21-2010, 05:17 PM
he would, except it would be with Atlanta, not Cincy

I think "hometown" is a figure of speech here.

oneupper
08-21-2010, 07:07 PM
If I'm reading the contract data correctly:

Phillips makes $11 mm next year (2011) and there is a team option of $12 mm for 2012.

So there is really no decision here. You HAVE to pay him $11 mm next year. You do that and depending on what happens, subsequently you:

1. Trade him at the deadline
2. Renegotiate the contract (extending it probably)
3. Pick up his option.

There's a lot of time for that still, but 1 or 2 seem more likely than 3.

Twelve million per year is a lot of money for a second baseman, who will be 31 in 2012.
Without a reduction in the $$$/year, BP is not going to a RED in 2012.

I like Phillips. He's very good. But you can't get over-enamored with your players and overpay for performance that is likely to decline. That's what gets you into trouble as a franchise.

The REDS are lucky that they don't have too many of those cases and have ridded themselves of many (remember Freel?). Better to not start again.

UKFlounder
08-21-2010, 08:38 PM
How old is Phillips? His "prime" years may be coming to an end soon - do we want to have a contract past them? I like him as a player, yet think that is a hard decision to make.

Is this a potential case of "better to lose him a year too early than a year too late?"

kaldaniels
08-21-2010, 08:48 PM
How old is Phillips? His "prime" years may be coming to an end soon - do we want to have a contract past them? I like him as a player, yet think that is a hard decision to make.

Is this a potential case of "better to lose him a year too early than a year too late?"

The Reds are in a spot now, where in the next few years there is going to have to be decisions made on what players they will not be resigning. Face it, we ain't keepin them all. That said, some of these guys will fetch a nice return if the Reds play their cards right. I'm looking forward to it.

Better to lose them early and get something good in return. Thats just generally speaking...my ears perk up if they (the player) offer a discount.

Brutus
08-21-2010, 09:03 PM
If I'm reading the contract data correctly:

Phillips makes $11 mm next year (2011) and there is a team option of $12 mm for 2012.

So there is really no decision here. You HAVE to pay him $11 mm next year. You do that and depending on what happens, subsequently you:

1. Trade him at the deadline
2. Renegotiate the contract (extending it probably)
3. Pick up his option.

There's a lot of time for that still, but 1 or 2 seem more likely than 3.

Twelve million per year is a lot of money for a second baseman, who will be 31 in 2012.
Without a reduction in the $$$/year, BP is not going to a RED in 2012.

I like Phillips. He's very good. But you can't get over-enamored with your players and overpay for performance that is likely to decline. That's what gets you into trouble as a franchise.

The REDS are lucky that they don't have too many of those cases and have ridded themselves of many (remember Freel?). Better to not start again.

I believe that was the point about re-working his contract (if he's up for it). Perhaps spread the money out over a few extra seasons if he's willing to accept a longer deal, but working it similar to what Rolen did. Of course, he may not be willing to do that, but it's worth a shot.

I would pay him the $11 mil to show the club is committed to him, and see about making the option a guarantee, but adding 2 years if he's willing to spread it out a bit.

RFS62
08-22-2010, 10:39 AM
If I'm reading the contract data correctly:

Phillips makes $11 mm next year (2011) and there is a team option of $12 mm for 2012.

So there is really no decision here. You HAVE to pay him $11 mm next year. You do that and depending on what happens, subsequently you:

1. Trade him at the deadline
2. Renegotiate the contract (extending it probably)
3. Pick up his option.

There's a lot of time for that still, but 1 or 2 seem more likely than 3.

Twelve million per year is a lot of money for a second baseman, who will be 31 in 2012.
Without a reduction in the $$$/year, BP is not going to a RED in 2012.

I like Phillips. He's very good. But you can't get over-enamored with your players and overpay for performance that is likely to decline. That's what gets you into trouble as a franchise.

The REDS are lucky that they don't have too many of those cases and have ridded themselves of many (remember Freel?). Better to not start again.


Great analysis.

:beerme:

The Voice of IH
08-22-2010, 02:15 PM
I think "hometown" is a figure of speech here.

yea, but he wants to go to Atlanta and play, He told a few of us at the game about months ago.

kaldaniels
08-22-2010, 02:40 PM
yea, but he wants to go to Atlanta and play, He told a few of us at the game about months ago.

If that is true that deserves a sticky thread. I don't doubt you but tell us the context.