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Matt700wlw
08-21-2010, 03:40 AM
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=300820124



"You can go ahead and fine me, I don't care," La Russa said. "There were several strikes, a guy as good as Brian Wilson, he doesn't need. Who knows how that inning would have been?"

The Operator
08-21-2010, 03:47 AM
Win the right way AND lose the right way, right Tony?

Keep the foot on the gas pedal, Redlegs. Keep Tony squirming.

Phhhl
08-21-2010, 03:53 AM
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=300820124

You can't win by arguing balls and strikes. Votto could have been run again tonight, and even though he was right about the location of the pitches he was ultimately wrong for jeapordizing his presence in the Reds' lineup with such a futile argument. The sooner Tony LaRussa learns he does not have power over all he surveys the sooner he will make the step to the next level as a major league manager. His team was not even in the same zip code in terms of "finding" a win in last night's ballgame by accusing the officials of incompetence. To appeal to the media as if bad officiating was even a consideration in the Cardinals' loss, much less an active factor, was a colossal insult to the fanbase of baseball

This drunken fool resorts to such drama routinely.

sabometrics
08-21-2010, 03:59 AM
That club is really scuffling right now, and things don't get any easier the next two days with Lincecum and Zito facing off against Carpenter and Garcia. Tony needs to figure out what his team is doing wrong and not worry about the umps or this is only going to get worse for them.

Of course I hope he keeps his focus trained solely on the boys in blue.

TheNext44
08-21-2010, 06:01 AM
Championship teams overcome bad umps, bad hops and bad luck.

Degenerate39
08-21-2010, 07:52 AM
Feeling backed into a corner Tony?

redsfandan
08-21-2010, 08:25 AM
You can't win by arguing balls and strikes. Votto could have been run again tonight, and even though he was right about the location of the pitches he was ultimately wrong for jeapordizing his presence in the Reds' lineup with such a futile argument. The sooner Tony LaRussa learns he does not have power over all he surveys the sooner he will make the step to the next level as a major league manager. His team was not even in the same zip code in terms of "finding" a win in last night's ballgame by accusing the officials of incompetence. To appeal to the media as if bad officiating was even a consideration in the Cardinals' loss, much less an active factor, was a colossal insult to the fanbase of baseball

This drunken fool resorts to such drama routinely.
I'm a little doubtful that a guy like him (that's been a manager in the majors for 2+ decades) is gonna change much.

The Voice of IH
08-21-2010, 09:24 AM
did anyone see the game, I am sorry but Larussa has a point that 9th inning was horrible when it came to ball and strikes. about 3 pitches where no where near a strike, one of which was a called 3

TheNext44
08-21-2010, 09:28 AM
did anyone see the game, I am sorry but Larussa has a point that 9th inning was horrible when it came to ball and strikes. about 3 pitches where no where near a strike, one of which was a called 3

To me it makes no difference. A major league manager should never blame the ump for costing his team the game, no matter how bad the call. There is a classy, professional way to handle situations like these. Whining about it is not it.

traderumor
08-21-2010, 10:50 AM
If an umpire is doing a subpar job, then teams help bring attention to it and force MLB to take a look at the validity of the argument. Why shouldn't the team have a voice? They just have to sit there and take poor quality in umpiring because its not nice to argue balls and strikes?

RANDY IN INDY
08-21-2010, 10:54 AM
Poor Tony. I feel so bad for him. He never complains when Carpenter and Wainright get those marginal calls that Wilson got last night.

Sea Ray
08-21-2010, 10:57 AM
did anyone see the game, I am sorry but Larussa has a point that 9th inning was horrible when it came to ball and strikes. about 3 pitches where no where near a strike, one of which was a called 3

Maybe it's just me but in general I think strike zones are expanded in the 9th inning. It's like the ump has had enough of squating and it's time to hit the buffet line

The Voice of IH
08-21-2010, 11:07 AM
Poor Tony. I feel so bad for him. He never complains when Carpenter and Wainright get those marginal calls that Wilson got last night.

the pitches that where refereed to, where no marginal calls, they where bad calls.

RANDY IN INDY
08-21-2010, 11:23 AM
the pitches that where refereed to, where no marginal calls, they where bad calls.

Big deal. It is what it is. It happens in just about every game at some point. Always has. The Reds had some bad ones last night too. Votto was called out on a ball that was 6 inches off the plate and up. I watched the last inning of the Cardinals game. They were marginal and not nearly as bad as the one Votto was called out on. Maddux and Glavine used to get those kind of calls every game.

Chip R
08-21-2010, 11:35 AM
Maybe it's just me but in general I think strike zones are expanded in the 9th inning.

Tell that to Cordero.

kbrake
08-21-2010, 11:42 AM
With the strike zone that Pujols gets in every single AB its laughable for TLR to ever cry about a strike zone. And if you think Votto is the only one that argues with umps you should watch Pujols.

membengal
08-21-2010, 11:49 AM
YouTube - Baby crying (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I)

15fan
08-21-2010, 11:52 AM
Keep the foot on the gas pedal, Redlegs. Keep Tony squirming.

This.

After the SF series this weekend, the Cards go on the road for 10 games against Pittsburgh, DC and Houston. The could pile up some wins in a hurry next week and slice into whatever lead the Reds have.

15fan
08-21-2010, 11:52 AM
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Sea Ray
08-21-2010, 11:55 AM
This.

After the SF series this weekend, the Cards go on the road for 10 games against Pittsburgh, DC and Houston. The could pile up some wins in a hurry next week and slice into whatever lead the Reds have.

Unless they're playing in Cincinnati, the road has not been kind to St Louis

membengal
08-21-2010, 12:00 PM
Thanks to whichever mod for properly embedding that. Appreciated.

traderumor
08-21-2010, 12:06 PM
This.

After the SF series this weekend, the Cards go on the road for 10 games against Pittsburgh, DC and Houston. The could pile up some wins in a hurry next week and slice into whatever lead the Reds have.The good news is that with a 4-1/2 game lead, the Reds can take care of business on their own, put their hand on Pujols and LaRussa's forehead, and watch them flail their arms wildly as they try to reach them with punches that never land.

Roy Tucker
08-21-2010, 12:16 PM
Nick Markakis got hosed in yesterdays Oriole game.

Tornon
08-21-2010, 12:34 PM
Unless they're playing in Cincinnati, the road has not been kind to St Louis

Neither have the Astros wherever they've been playing the Cards

TheNext44
08-21-2010, 03:40 PM
If an umpire is doing a subpar job, then teams help bring attention to it and force MLB to take a look at the validity of the argument. Why shouldn't the team have a voice? They just have to sit there and take poor quality in umpiring because its not nice to argue balls and strikes?

MLB has set up proper channels for teams to tell them about bad umpiring, and specifically tells teams not to use the media to discuss it.

traderumor
08-21-2010, 03:51 PM
MLB has set up proper channels for teams to tell them about bad umpiring, and specifically tells teams not to use the media to discuss it.Squawking stops when the channels leave the users satisfied. If they were satisfied or confident that someone was paying attention, they'd be more likely to step in line.

Trust me, I am no fan of LaRussa, but MLB plate work is consistently inept.

The Voice of IH
08-21-2010, 04:11 PM
Big deal. It is what it is. It happens in just about every game at some point. Always has. The Reds had some bad ones last night too. Votto was called out on a ball that was 6 inches off the plate and up. I watched the last inning of the Cardinals game. They were marginal and not nearly as bad as the one Votto was called out on. Maddux and Glavine used to get those kind of calls every game.

I'll give you that, Votto 3 call was horrible. and I don't think Larussa should be crying about it to the media, but I am saying that he has the right to be upset.

Scrap Irony
08-21-2010, 04:24 PM
Bad calls are a part of the game.

That said, I have little patience for an umpire that has a really poor grasp of balls and strikes. And umpires have been really poor this season.

I don't blame Votto for arguing, as I feel as if he's been screwed over more than once this season. If LaRussa thought his team was getting squeezed (and it looked like he had a case for sure), I see no reason to give him crap.

Of course, LaRussa and his team are constantly complaining about something, it seems. I can see why some people think it's little more than a fart in the wind.

KronoRed
08-21-2010, 04:49 PM
My guess is that if Dusty had said this this topic would be quite different to read.

Tornon
08-21-2010, 05:35 PM
My guess is that if Dusty had said this this topic would be quite different to read.

I think that's kind of the point though.. Dusty doesn't say stuff like this

The Operator
08-21-2010, 05:36 PM
The thing with LaRussa is, he complains about everything.

If you pick your battles correctly, people tend to believe you a little bit more when you have something to say. But when you're known to be a whiner like TLR, this is the general reaction.

VR
08-21-2010, 05:42 PM
Tony is merely working on the strike zone for Carpenter and Garcia the next two games. Bobby Cox was the master of it with Glavine and Maddux.

Ron Madden
08-21-2010, 05:52 PM
Tony is merely working on the strike zone for Carpenter and Garcia the next two games. Bobby Cox was the master of it with Glavine and Maddux.

That's what I think too.

RBA
08-21-2010, 06:19 PM
That's what I think too.

Exactly, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Chip R
08-21-2010, 06:24 PM
Exactly, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Sometimes or it could tick people off.

TeamBoone
08-22-2010, 05:33 PM
did anyone see the game, I am sorry but Larussa has a point that 9th inning was horrible when it came to ball and strikes. about 3 pitches where no where near a strike, one of which was a called 3

No team is immune to rotten calls. We Reds fans should all know that by now.