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Redsfan320
08-23-2010, 08:35 PM
Phillips 4
Nix 7
Votto 3
Rolen 5
Edmonds 8
Bruce 9
Hernandez 2
Janish 6
Volquez 1

vs. Matt Cain (9-10, 3.11, 130 K, 1.16 WHIP)

I like this lineup quite a bit.

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membengal
08-23-2010, 08:50 PM
Yeah, that looks pretty solid.

Scrap Irony
08-23-2010, 08:54 PM
Lots of lefties and good defense across the board.

oneupper
08-23-2010, 09:07 PM
Nix 5 for 11 with 1 HR vs. Cain.

Other notables:

Phillips 5 for 19, two doubles and 1 HR
Votto 4 for 15, 2 BB.
Rolen 2 for 4 one double

Stubbes 0 for 5 3Ks...perhaps that's why he's out but..
Edmonds 1 for 8 3 Ks not much better.
Bruce 0 for 4 3 BBs.

kaldaniels
08-23-2010, 09:41 PM
Advertising timeout -

For what its worth, anyone who hasn't been to SF needs to go now. The most unique and beautiful city in the US. If circumstances allowed, I'd move there yesterday, and I am probably the furthest thing from a hippie there is. :D

Screwball
08-23-2010, 10:01 PM
Advertising timeout -

For what its worth, anyone who hasn't been to SF needs to go now. The most unique and beautiful city in the US. If circumstances allowed, I'd move there yesterday, and I am probably the furthest thing from a hippie there is. :D

I visited there about ten years ago, and the main thing I remember is the weather. While walking around downtown I kept having to put on and then take off my jacket every 5 minutes as the sun ducked in and out of the clouds. But yeah, neat city otherwise.

And Matt Cain frustrates me. His stuff doesn't seem all that overpowering or dominating, but you'll look up at the scoreboard in the 7th and he'll be tossing a 3 hit shutout. Hopefully the Reds can employ the same approach they had against Josh Johnson: disciplined at-bats with selective aggression mixed in. The Pirates are playing Pirate baseball against the Cards, so we need a win here to maintain the 3.5 game lead.

pedro
08-23-2010, 10:06 PM
Advertising timeout -

For what its worth, anyone who hasn't been to SF needs to go now. The most unique and beautiful city in the US. If circumstances allowed, I'd move there yesterday, and I am probably the furthest thing from a hippie there is. :D

I work for a SF based company and am lucky enough to spend a week there every few months. It's a wonderful city.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 10:08 PM
Going to be a late night tonight with a 10:15 start and Volquez pitching.

nemesis
08-23-2010, 10:13 PM
I am hoping Volquez really goes into this start with a chip on his shoulder. He currently is the weak link in the rotation and needs to use that as motivation. I know he will walk 3 or so guys, but the HR's have killed him. The Reds need this win. If just to demoralize the Cards on a daily basis.

pedro
08-23-2010, 10:14 PM
Going to be a late night tonight with a 10:15 start and Volquez pitching.

It's bliss for us west coasters. I'm having a couple pints at the pub up the street from my house then walking home to make some dinner and watch the game.

11larkin11
08-23-2010, 10:19 PM
Advertising timeout -

For what its worth, anyone who hasn't been to SF needs to go now. The most unique and beautiful city in the US. If circumstances allowed, I'd move there yesterday, and I am probably the furthest thing from a hippie there is. :D

I'm down for sure.

Now, how are you getting me the money for Cross Country plane tickets? Western Union?

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:00 PM
http://homer247.com/pages/mo.html?an=joseph-votto

What a good looking young man.

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:07 PM
Aaron Boone looks like he bought a suit off the rack at JC Pennys. Can't he/ESPN afford a tailor at least? What's up with that beard? Is he part of the not shaving until after the playoffs in support of the Reds?

RedsMan3203
08-23-2010, 11:07 PM
Well Guys and Gals.... It's almost game time.... Who is ready?!?!

WHAT TIME IS IT?!?!

11larkin11
08-23-2010, 11:09 PM
Well Guys and Gals.... It's almost game time.... Who is ready?!?!

WHAT TIME IS IT?!?!

Cmon...someone say it....

TRF
08-23-2010, 11:11 PM
prime time?

Tom Servo
08-23-2010, 11:11 PM
i can't do it

BCubb2003
08-23-2010, 11:11 PM
Aaron Boone looks like he bought a suit off the rack at JC Pennys. Can't he/ESPN afford a tailor at least? What's up with that beard? Is he part of the not shaving until after the playoffs in support of the Reds?

He looks like Johnny Knoxville.

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:11 PM
LOL IS ANYBODY WATCHING ESPN??

"i can't do it.....i can't do it.....i can't do it."

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:12 PM
locally we are blacked out of ESPN. Stuck with Keels again.

11larkin11
08-23-2010, 11:12 PM
I'm a Buckeye. If anyone else here is a Buckeye, they'll know why I want someone to tell him what time it is.

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:12 PM
i can't do it


I heard that too. Who was it? And do what?

BCubb2003
08-23-2010, 11:13 PM
It sounded like a cry for help.

Tom Servo
08-23-2010, 11:13 PM
I heard that too. Who was it? And do what?
He. And it.

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:13 PM
I heard that too. Who was it? And do what?
I have no idea, but it was very creepy.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:13 PM
Giants lineup:


A Torres CF
B Posey C
A Huff 1B
P Burrell LF
J Guillen RF
P Sandoval 3B
J Uribe SS
F Sanchez 2B
M Cain P

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:15 PM
Please make Cain work. Their bullpen has been very shaky lately.

Tornon
08-23-2010, 11:15 PM
How in the world is Matt Cain only 25?

RedsMan3203
08-23-2010, 11:15 PM
I'm a Buckeye. If anyone else here is a Buckeye, they'll know why I want someone to tell him what time it is.

Well, I'm a Buckeye... (fan) Did I miss something along the way?

By the way....

It's game time!!!!!

RedsMan3203
08-23-2010, 11:16 PM
How in the world is Matt Cain only 25?

Because he was born 25 years ago? :p:

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:16 PM
Cardinals game over as they beat the awful Pirates 10-2.

11larkin11
08-23-2010, 11:16 PM
Well, I'm a Buckeye... (fan) Did I miss something along the way?

By the way....

It's game time!!!!!

Just say the time.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:17 PM
Phillips strikes out swinging.

RedsMan3203
08-23-2010, 11:17 PM
Just say the time.

Its about 10:17... Just sayin' :eek:

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:18 PM
How in the world is Matt Cain only 25?


By being born on October 1st 1984 and living on the Earth. If he lived on Mercury he would be much older.

Tom Servo
08-23-2010, 11:19 PM
Nix double.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:19 PM
Nix lines a double to right center.

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:19 PM
Double gapper in right center.

durl
08-23-2010, 11:19 PM
That is one HUGE right-center field, isn't it?

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:19 PM
Chris Singelton just said whoever reported his Cardinals quotes called him and apologized to him the next day. Apparently BP was saying it to teammates, not reporters.

Meanwhile, Nix os on fire.

RedsMan3203
08-23-2010, 11:19 PM
Nix double.

He has been killing the ball as of late.... I'd like to see him get some more starts over the next week.

Tornon
08-23-2010, 11:19 PM
I've switched to listening to the opposing team's radio announcers via gameday audio while watching the game.. I love Jon Miller

Tom Servo
08-23-2010, 11:20 PM
He has been killing the ball as of late.... I'd like to see him get some more starts over the next week.
20 hits in his last 35 at-bats according to ESPN.

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:21 PM
Full count on Votto. Here we go....

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:22 PM
C'mon Scottie...

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:22 PM
Votto walks. 1st and 2nd.

11larkin11
08-23-2010, 11:22 PM
Its about 10:17... Just sayin' :eek:

And Michigan Still Sucks!!!

You should know this if you're ever on campus, ESPECIALLY on Michigan Week. If you haven't been on campus, get used to it. Any time a time is said (one minute remaining in the half at basketball games, announcements of times, hey what time is it? 3:34,), it is followed by that phrase.

durl
08-23-2010, 11:22 PM
Man...every Red in the lineup has hit the Giants well this year, huh?

RedsMan3203
08-23-2010, 11:23 PM
And Michigan Still Sucks!!!

You should know this if you're ever on campus, ESPECIALLY on Michigan Week. If you haven't been on campus, get used to it. Any time a time is said (one minute remaining in the half at basketball games, announcements of times, hey what time is it? 3:34,), it is followed by that phrase.

I knew that... I swear!

Long day...

Tom Servo
08-23-2010, 11:23 PM
Walt and mustache guy look on.

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:24 PM
Joe Morgan is at the game as he has ties to both teams

Tom Servo
08-23-2010, 11:24 PM
real nice at-bat by Rolen

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:25 PM
Joe Morgan is at the game as he has ties to both teams
Is that why Dusty is there too? :D

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:25 PM
Rolen strikes out swinging.

Tom Servo
08-23-2010, 11:25 PM
Ahhh Edmonds didn't get enough of it

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:25 PM
Crap. Edmonds just missed that.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:26 PM
Edmonds flies out to center. 0-0 mid 1st.

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:26 PM
He had old Jim Edmonds power there.

mbgrayson
08-23-2010, 11:27 PM
That was a 23 pitch first inning for Cain. Need to keep pushing his pitch count up...

Tornon
08-23-2010, 11:28 PM
Dear Mr. Volquez

Please don't walk anybody

Signed,
Your loyal fans

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:28 PM
JimDayTV Hal did apologize to Brandon, but BP told him no reason to, he's the one that said it. And he did not say it to teammates, he was not joking

nate
08-23-2010, 11:28 PM
Chat is open and all participants are scheduled to be on the cover of SI the week after Votto!

:cool:

(no)

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:28 PM
Cain 1 inning 23 pitches.

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:29 PM
Boone is saying EV is the only guy on the staff who can match up with another team's ace in the postseason.

Tom Servo
08-23-2010, 11:30 PM
Dear Mr. Volquez

Please don't walk anybody

Signed,
Your loyal fans
Dear Tornon,

No.

Sincerely,

EV.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:30 PM
Leadoff walk to Torres.

RedsMan3203
08-23-2010, 11:30 PM
Dear Mr. Volquez

Please don't walk anybody

Signed,
Your loyal fans

Shhhhh

Tornon
08-23-2010, 11:30 PM
Dear Tornon,

No.

Sincerely,

EV.

Dangit, my editorial letters never work

Tornon
08-23-2010, 11:31 PM
While I can't believe Matt Cain is only 25, Buster Posey looks like he'll be 25 in another 9 years

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:31 PM
Posey infield hit. 1st and 2nd.

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:32 PM
Looking like one of those nights.

Tom Servo
08-23-2010, 11:32 PM
blergh

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:33 PM
Huff doubles off the wall in center. 2-0 Giants.

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:33 PM
Stubbs catches that.

Cough.

Tom Servo
08-23-2010, 11:33 PM
well I had visions of a 3 run jack. At least it was slightly better then that.

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:34 PM
Edmonds playing shallow doesn't work this time around.

Homer Bailey
08-23-2010, 11:34 PM
Stubbs gets that.

Tom Servo
08-23-2010, 11:34 PM
Janish gets to that.

Tom Servo
08-23-2010, 11:34 PM
yeah this is one of those nights

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:34 PM
Volquez is getting his brains beat in.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:35 PM
Ugh. Burrell doubles to left. 3-0 Giants.

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:36 PM
ESPN curse. Is the NL playoffs on TBS? I hope.

Brutus
08-23-2010, 11:36 PM
FCB may have been right about one thing. This just can't keep up. Volquez needs to get his act together, otherwise I think it's time for Harang to come back.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:36 PM
ESPN curse. Is the NL playoffs on TBS? I hope.

Yes luckily no ESPN.

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:36 PM
FCB may have been right about one thing. This just can't keep up. Volquez needs to get his act together, otherwise I think it's time for Harang to come back.
Harang can't get people out in AAA.

RedsManRick
08-23-2010, 11:36 PM
Man, what's this team's record in nationally televised games? Seems like we always end up getting embarrassed. Also, I know Volquez can dominate at times, but I have absolutely no confidence in the guy -- he can't locate anything but his curve.

pedro
08-23-2010, 11:37 PM
And Michigan Still Sucks!!!

You should know this if you're ever on campus, ESPECIALLY on Michigan Week. If you haven't been on campus, get used to it. Any time a time is said (one minute remaining in the half at basketball games, announcements of times, hey what time is it? 3:34,), it is followed by that phrase.

Go blue

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:37 PM
wild pitch moves runner to 3rd.

Captain Hook
08-23-2010, 11:37 PM
FCB may have been right about one thing. This just can't keep up. Volquez needs to get his act together, otherwise I think it's time for Harang to come back.

Harang isn't doing much better in AAA.

Redsfan320
08-23-2010, 11:37 PM
Keels: "So Cueto will have to work from behind" :rolleyes:

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RedsMan3203
08-23-2010, 11:38 PM
Keels: "So Cueto will have to work from behind" :rolleyes:

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:deadhorse Give it a break... we all know about it...

Brutus
08-23-2010, 11:38 PM
Harang can't get people out in AAA.

At least Harang isn't walking nearly 6 guys per 9 innings though. At this point, given the option of a guy walking everyone and then getting hit versus a guy getting hit, I go with the guy just getting hit.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:38 PM
Guillen strikes out swinging.

RedsManRick
08-23-2010, 11:38 PM
Guillen strikes out swinging.

1 out of 5 ain't bad?

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:39 PM
Sandoval lines a single to left. 4-0 Giants.

Red in Chicago
08-23-2010, 11:39 PM
ev just got kung fu'd

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:39 PM
At least Harang isn't walking nearly 6 guys per 9 innings though. At this point, given the option of a guy walking everyone and then getting hit versus a guy getting hit, I go with the guy just getting hit.
There's hope for Volquez, there's no hope for Harang.

Harang has a 9 ERA in AAA. Just bad.

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:39 PM
Looks like we are going to miss some Reds baseball for no hit bid in Texas.

WVRedsFan
08-23-2010, 11:40 PM
I believe that Volquez will be a liability in this pennant race. Say what you want, he simply isn't pitching well and this club cannot afford this. Down 4-0 in the first and more to come. It's certainly not acceptable with the Cards winning and the lead shortening (and will continue to unless we win when they are playing the Pirates).

Long man?

RedsManRick
08-23-2010, 11:40 PM
Well, should be entertaining at least. Feliz with a big zone -- good luck Twins.

mbgrayson
08-23-2010, 11:41 PM
Tradebacks? We give EV and DRH back to Texas for Josh Hamilton.....

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:41 PM
. Feliz with a big zone.


You caught that too.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:42 PM
Texas is on their 4th pitcher in the no hit bid.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:42 PM
Uribe walks.1st and 2nd.

RedsManRick
08-23-2010, 11:42 PM
You caught that too.

Nobody complains about the ump that helps the guy make history.

And apparently Joyce is the home plate ump. Incredible.

Cedric
08-23-2010, 11:42 PM
This has to be it for Volquez. This guy is not good for the standings nor the bullpen.

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:43 PM
This has to be it for Volquez. This guy is not good for the standings nor the bullpen.
Who do you put in the rotation? Eventually you run out of arms.

mbgrayson
08-23-2010, 11:43 PM
Who is the long man in the pen tonight with Leake having worked on Saturday?

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:43 PM
They are going to have leave Volquez in for a while they have no one to go this long without burning out the whole bullpen.

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:44 PM
Oh Jim Joyce is the home plate ump in the Rangers game.

RedsManRick
08-23-2010, 11:44 PM
Who is the long man in the pen tonight with Leake having worked on Saturday?

I think it would have been Jordan Smith if Dusty hadn't been obsessed with him recently.

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:44 PM
Oh Jim Joyce is the home plate ump in the Rangers game.

Now we know why the big zone. :D

durl
08-23-2010, 11:44 PM
16 balls and 14 strikes. Pitiful.

Redsfan320
08-23-2010, 11:45 PM
Give it a break... we all know about it...

Okay, it is beating a dead horse a little-- okay, quite a bit. It's just that Keels is quickly going from "bad baseball broadcaster" to just unprofessional. Not being a good baseball broadcaster is one thing, but flat-out saying the wrong player's name, and getting the count wrong nearly every night is bordering on unprofessional.

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oregonred
08-23-2010, 11:45 PM
EV has over a 2 WHIP since the Colorado game. Complete bullpen killer on the mound.

They need to either shut him down for a week or go to AA/AAA for a couple of games. Insert Leake back into the rotation for a couple games.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:45 PM
There goes the no hitter. Mauer singles with 1 out in the 9th.

RedsManRick
08-23-2010, 11:45 PM
Mauer breaks it up with a liner up the middle on an 0-2 count. Should be back to SF.

mbgrayson
08-23-2010, 11:46 PM
I think it would have been Jordan Smith if Dusty hadn't been obsessed with him recently.

Smith is warming....

Cedric
08-23-2010, 11:46 PM
You have to be out of your mind to think Volquez gets another start in a pennant race. This is pathetic.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:46 PM
Back to the nightmare. Sanchez doubles in a run. 5-0 Giants.

durl
08-23-2010, 11:46 PM
Is this REALLY happening to the Reds for the 2nd time in 3 games??

NC Reds
08-23-2010, 11:47 PM
Let Leake and Volquez switch roles.

Cedric
08-23-2010, 11:47 PM
Is this REALLY happening to the Reds for the 2nd time in 3 games??

Starting pitching is a HUGE problem for this team. It's just been glossed over and somehow forgotten about.

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:47 PM
EV should be going to the DL and rahab starts down on the farm. I expect to see him again in 2011.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:47 PM
Keels is just horribly bad. Cain just made an out he is not up anymore.

WVRedsFan
08-23-2010, 11:47 PM
Who do you put in the rotation? Eventually you run out of arms.At this point, I'd use Leake, Maloney, the retired David Weathers, or even Josh Fogg.

This cannot continue.

WebScorpion
08-23-2010, 11:47 PM
Who is the long man in the pen tonight with Leake having worked on Saturday?
I think Volquez is staying out there until his 100 pitches are thrown...even if they're 100 balls, :eek: He needs innings to work on his mechanics...it's a shame he's got to do it in the middle of a pennant race.:rolleyes: He should have swaped places with Maloney.

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:47 PM
Starting pitching is a HUGE problem for this team. It's just been glossed over and somehow forgotten about.
That'll happen when you're 20 games over.

oregonred
08-23-2010, 11:48 PM
Good night to go against Cain with the game being over after 1/3rd of an inning.

Can never have too much pitching.

EV needs to miss a start or better yet go to the minors for 10 days or the 15 day DL.

WVRedsFan
08-23-2010, 11:48 PM
EV should be going to the DL and rahab starts down on the farm. I expect to see him again in 2011.

Exactly.

Cyclone792
08-23-2010, 11:48 PM
If I'm the Reds, I let Volquez take a beating for awhile. Fisher is back down in Louisville, and Leake just pitched a few innings out of the bullpen on Saturday night so there really isn't a long man tonight. They can't afford to let Volquez gas the bullpen for the remainder of this series, because the Reds need to get some wins in San Francisco.

Kc61
08-23-2010, 11:48 PM
Let Leake and Volquez switch roles.

Volquez with 103 pitches this half inning.

BCubb2003
08-23-2010, 11:48 PM
If Cordero can find his way bqck, then Volquez can.

I have a theory about Keels, but that's for another time.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:49 PM
He may throw 100 pitches this inning.

durl
08-23-2010, 11:49 PM
Volquez needs to aim somewhere off the plate. Maybe then he'll get it over.

oregonred
08-23-2010, 11:49 PM
If I'm the Reds, I let Volquez take a beating for awhile. Fisher is back down in Louisville, and Leake just pitched a few innings out of the bullpen on Saturday night so there really isn't a long man tonight. They can't afford to let Volquez gas the bullpen for the remainder of this series, because the Reds need to get some wins in San Francisco.

I'll gladly take 1 of the next 2 and call it a series. The Giants are against the wall and the Reds are getting their best shot the next three days.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:50 PM
Another walk. Bases loaded.

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:50 PM
That's it for Volquez. Wow.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:50 PM
Wow is this going to hurt the bullpen for some time. Volquez throws 39 pitches to get 2 outs.

NC Reds
08-23-2010, 11:50 PM
He had nothing tonight.

mbgrayson
08-23-2010, 11:50 PM
Jordan Smith coming in. EV out at 39 pitches in 2/3rds of an innning. Ouch......

OesterPoster
08-23-2010, 11:51 PM
They'll need to fly a guy out to San Fran for the other two games. Put Volquez on the DL.

Brutus
08-23-2010, 11:51 PM
There's hope for Volquez, there's no hope for Harang.

Harang has a 9 ERA in AAA. Just bad.

Have you looked at anything other than ERA for Harang's AAA numbers?

10 K's, 2 walks in 11 innings and given up just 1 homer.

His BABIP is .382 and strand rate is just 38 percent... meaning well over half of the baserunners that have gotten on base have scored.

with the Reds, he had 75 K's to just 28 walks before getting hurt.

Volquez?

He's walked 24 guys and given up 6 homers in 34 innings.

I think there's a lot more hope that Harang can come up and be a decent starter for the Reds than there is of expecting Volquez to be anything but a major enigma the rest of the season.

smith288
08-23-2010, 11:51 PM
That was gross.

durl
08-23-2010, 11:51 PM
5 earned runs in 2/3 of an inning. And responsible for 3 more runners. That is so pathetic...

Homer Bailey
08-23-2010, 11:51 PM
Starting pitching is a HUGE problem for this team. It's just been glossed over and somehow forgotten about.

7th in the NL in ERA while in a hitters park, and 1st in road ERA.


But hey, great observation!

Tom Servo
08-23-2010, 11:51 PM
I'm not ready to stick a fork in EV for good, but it's obvious he can't contribute this year. LeCure could do better.

mbgrayson
08-23-2010, 11:51 PM
Janish could see some innings tonight. Can Cairo play short?

kaldaniels
08-23-2010, 11:52 PM
Keels is just horribly bad. Cain just made an out he is not up anymore.

I know what you are referring I was terribly
confused by that.

Kc61
08-23-2010, 11:52 PM
Mike Leake, your time in the bullpen is over.

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:52 PM
Have you looked at anything other than ERA for Harang's AAA numbers?

10 K's, 2 walks in 11 innings and given up just 1 homer.

His BABIP is .382 and strand rate is just 38 percent... meaning well over half of the baserunners that have gotten on base have scored.

with the Reds, he had 75 K's to just 28 walks before getting hurt.

Volquez?

He's walked 24 guys and given up 6 homers in 34 innings.

I think there's a lot more hope that Harang can come up and be a decent starter for the Reds than there is of expecting Volquez to be anything but a major enigma the rest of the season.
He can't get people out in AAA! He was extremely hittable in the majors, and he's getting tattooed in AAA.

I'm all for finding somebody better than Volquez, but Harang isn't that guy.

The Reds need to use there off day and skip the 5th spot as much as possible.

Matt700wlw
08-23-2010, 11:52 PM
Can we have Hamilton back? Good lord

kbrake
08-23-2010, 11:52 PM
I took a nap from like 8 to 10 so I could watch this. I won't be able to go to sleep if I wanted to. Awesome.

Screwball
08-23-2010, 11:52 PM
7th in the NL in ERA while in a pitchers park, and 1st in road ERA.


But hey, great observation!

Thank you. You don't get to 20 games over .500 with starting pitching as a HUGE problem.

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:53 PM
7th in the NL in ERA while in a pitchers park, and 1st in road ERA.


But hey, great observation!
My GUY.

Chip R
08-23-2010, 11:53 PM
7th in the NL in ERA while in a pitchers park, and 1st in road ERA.


But hey, great observation!

Did you mean hitter's park?

Homer Bailey
08-23-2010, 11:53 PM
I took a nap from like 8 to 10 so I could watch this. I won't be able to go to sleep if I wanted to. Awesome.

Same. Ugh.

RedsManRick
08-23-2010, 11:53 PM
Smith may be sacrificed for the greater good here...

Tornon
08-23-2010, 11:53 PM
Jordan used to start didn't he? He can give us 5

Homer Bailey
08-23-2010, 11:53 PM
Did you mean hitter's park?

Yup, fixed.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:54 PM
Posey strikes out swinging. Its finally over. 5-0 Giants after 1.

oregonred
08-23-2010, 11:54 PM
Thank gawd for the off day on Thursday. EV just managed to kill the pen for the rest of the series.

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:54 PM
Still plenty of innings and a Giants bullpen to get back the 5 runs and then some.

Cyclone792
08-23-2010, 11:54 PM
I took a nap from like 8 to 10 so I could watch this. I won't be able to go to sleep if I wanted to. Awesome.

Me too, I picked the wrong night to take a nap in order to stay up and watch the game.

Tornon
08-23-2010, 11:54 PM
The best part is even after an inning like that, we still win the game

smith288
08-23-2010, 11:55 PM
Does it seem like anytime we are featured on ESPN, we do this?

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:55 PM
Really, Smith needs to get thru at least the 3rd. Ideally he gets through the 4th.

Then you can use Bray to get you thru the 6th.

That leaves you with Ondrusek/Rhodes/Masset/Cordero to get you thru the last 3.

It can be done.

Tom Servo
08-23-2010, 11:55 PM
I'm just frustrated because since going to college I don't get the Reds games anymore. I've been looking forward to watching them all day and this is what I get.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-23-2010, 11:55 PM
Watching Edinson Volquez pitch is simply maddening.

Listening to Paul Keels mess up four times in 2/3 of an inning is pretty bas as well. Slow. Painful. Torture.

Well, at least I get good sleep tonight.

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:55 PM
I picked the wrong night to take a nap and stay up pass my 7 oclock pacific bedtime.

oregonred
08-23-2010, 11:55 PM
Still plenty of innings and a Giants bullpen to get back the 5 runs and then some.

I love your optimism. Cain might be able to beat the Reds for a week straight with 5 runs.

Brutus
08-23-2010, 11:56 PM
He can't get people out in AAA! He was extremely hittable in the majors, and he's getting tattooed in AAA.

I'm all for finding somebody better than Volquez, but Harang isn't that guy.

The Reds need to use there off day and skip the 5th spot as much as possible.

Volquez is defining not being able to get guys out. Harang was pitching 6 & 7 innings at a 4.50 ERA(ish). That's respectable. It's certainly 10 times better than throwing someone out there 2 of every 3 starts that won't get you through 1-4 innings.

mbgrayson
08-23-2010, 11:56 PM
Why is everyone complaining about Keels? I play the radio feed while watching TV. Try it....

Dom Heffner
08-23-2010, 11:56 PM
Can we have Hamilton back? Good lord

Not according to this board. You all would do that trade a million times over.

Why keep a triple crown/MVP candidate you got for free when you can have a steroid suspended batting practice machine.

Come on-somebody give me that old "I'd still do that trade a million times over" line with a straight face.

Red in Chicago
08-23-2010, 11:56 PM
don't any of you "nap takers" have to work or go to school in the morning;)

Cyclone792
08-23-2010, 11:57 PM
Why is everyone complaining about Keels? I play the radio feed while watching TV. Try it....

I do the same thing when Keels (and Grande last year) were on. Oftentimes there's a delay in one of the feeds and they're not lined up, but I just deal with it. Keels is a broadcasting disaster so I don't even bother with him.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:57 PM
Bruce pops out to 2nd.

reds44
08-23-2010, 11:57 PM
Not according to this board. You all would do that trade a million times over.

Why keep a triple crown/MVP candidate you got for free when you can have a steroid suspended batting practice machine.

Come on-somebody give me that old "I'd still do that trade a million times over" line with a straight face.
Sure, now after the guys arm falls off and Hamilton didn't do crack again you can say this.

Classic hindsight.

Tom Servo
08-23-2010, 11:58 PM
What's the point in bringing up Hamilton/Volquez anymore? What's done is done, and the GM who made the move has been gone for years now anyway.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:58 PM
Hernandez lines out to 1st.

RBA
08-23-2010, 11:58 PM
Is ESPN going to show Pujols/Cards high lights all game?




Magic 8 ball says YES!

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2010, 11:59 PM
Janish flies out to center. 10 pitch inning. 5-0 Giants mid 2nd.

kbrake
08-23-2010, 11:59 PM
Sure, now after the guys arm falls off and Hamilton didn't do crack again you can say this.

Classic hindsight.

Exactly I don't want to jack the game thread for a Volquez/Hamilton debate but its laughable to act like that trade was so easy. Volquez is coming off TJ I have a hard time thinking this is what he will be for the rest of his career. I have no problem trading a guy who needs a full time babysitter because he can't avoid the nose candy.

RBA
08-24-2010, 12:00 AM
Sorry, I don't trust crack addicts.

oregonred
08-24-2010, 12:00 AM
It was silly to think we'd get much from EV in 2010, the Colorado start gave us false hope.

He has to go to AAA for a couple starts. It's mental as much as anything now and he needs to rehab outside a pennant race or shut it down until Spring 2011.

Arroyo's option for 2011 (as if their was any doubt about picking it up) is an easy call now barring a major acquisition.

SirFelixCat
08-24-2010, 12:00 AM
Serious question for those of you who took a nap/waited excitedly for this game: Why? I mean, don't get me wrong, I watch every game, every night, but I knew this was one where we were at a huge disadvantage. I mean, their Ace vs a guy who can't throw strikes. I figured this was a "L" yesterday, and just hoping to get 1 in this series. Anything more than that is gravy.

Just my opinion.


ETA: Ah, I just realized that tonight's game is on ESPN and maybe you guys don't get to watch the games all the time. My apologies.

kbrake
08-24-2010, 12:01 AM
It was silly to think we'd get much from EV in 2010, the Colorado start gave us false hope.

He has to go to AAA for a couple starts. It's mental as much as anything now and he needs to rehab outside a pennant race or shut it down until Spring 2011.

Arroyo's option for 2011 (as if their was any doubt about picking it up) is an easy call now barring a major acquisition.

I agree it was pretty silly to think we would get much from EV this season but I don't know that it is mental. Has anyone come back 12 months after TJ and pitched really well?

Dom Heffner
08-24-2010, 12:01 AM
Sure, now after the guys arm falls off and Hamilton didn't do crack again you can say this.

Classic hindsight.

It was lousy then and now. The only person on drugs was Volquez.

We got Hamilton for FREE. It was a boneheaded move.

It isn't even close.

oregonred
08-24-2010, 12:01 AM
Serious question for those of you who took a nap/waited excitedly for this game: Why? I mean, don't get me wrong, I watch every game, every night, but I knew this was one where we were at a huge disadvantage. I mean, their Ace vs a guy who can't throw strikes. I figured this was a "L" yesterday, and just hoping to get 1 in this series. Anything more than that is gravy.

Just my opinion.


ETA: Ah, I just realized that tonight's game is on ESPN and maybe you guys don't get to watch the games all the time. My apologies.

Exactly. I was hoping EV could walk the tightrope for a 6IP/1 ER outing, but the giants are a desperate, talented team.

edabbs44
08-24-2010, 12:02 AM
I agree it was pretty silly to think we would get much from EV this season but I don't know that it is mental. Has anyone come back 12 months after TJ and pitched really well?

a few, but it isn't common.

reds44
08-24-2010, 12:02 AM
Exactly I don't want to jack the game thread for a Volquez/Hamilton debate but its laughable to act like that trade was so easy. Volquez is coming off TJ I have a hard time thinking this is what he will be for the rest of his career. I have no problem trading a guy who needs a full time babysitter because he can't avoid the nose candy.
Yup. The Reds traded a highly talented position player who was one relapse away from being out of baseball for a highly talented pitcher.

It's not like Volquez has been garbage since he came to the Reds. He had an ERA in the low 3s and struck out 200 guys his first year in Cincinnati. Then his arm fell off last year.

Pitchers get hurt, it happens. It's hard to predict when it happens. There's no doubt if you could trade Volquez for Hamilton right now, you'd do it.

Doesn't change the fact that the Reds weren't wrong for making the trade. And as somebody else said, I'm not sure why anybody brings it up. It's not like Jocketty made the trade.

Matt700wlw
08-24-2010, 12:02 AM
Not according to this board. You all would do that trade a million times over.

Why keep a triple crown/MVP candidate you got for free when you can have a steroid suspended batting practice machine.

Come on-somebody give me that old "I'd still do that trade a million times over" line with a straight face.

I wasn't sold on it then....I'm still not. I've been on the fence since day 1.

kbrake
08-24-2010, 12:02 AM
Serious question for those of you who took a nap/waited excitedly for this game: Why? I mean, don't get me wrong, I watch every game, every night, but I knew this was one where we were at a huge disadvantage. I mean, their Ace vs a guy who can't throw strikes. I figured this was a "L" yesterday, and just hoping to get 1 in this series. Anything more than that is gravy.

Just my opinion.


ETA: Ah, I just realized that tonight's game is on ESPN and maybe you guys don't get to watch the games all the time. My apologies.

I took a nap because I thought it would be some what close for at least a few innings and I didn't want to be dead all day tomorrow. I fully expected tonight to be a loss most likely but I wanted to be able to stay up if it was a close game.

Reds Fanatic
08-24-2010, 12:03 AM
Huff singles to right.

RBA
08-24-2010, 12:03 AM
I was joking about taking a nap. I sleep about 3 to 5 hours a night.

PuffyPig
08-24-2010, 12:03 AM
Why keep a triple crown/MVP candidate you got for free when you can have a steroid suspended batting practice machine.



Volquez had TJ surgery about 11 months to go, so it's just possible that he might improve over nhis performance tonight.

Way to over react.

It's one game, yeah he stunk, but the world isn't coming to an end, and the Reds will still be in first palce tomorrow, even with a loss and a 5-2 road trip.

Reds Fanatic
08-24-2010, 12:04 AM
Burrell flies out to left.

oregonred
08-24-2010, 12:04 AM
I agree it was pretty silly to think we would get much from EV this season but I don't know that it is mental. Has anyone come back 12 months after TJ and pitched really well?

Agree, he is still in rehab mode, but coming back from TJ requires getting the mental as well as physical side together. EV has his work cut out for himself.

reds44
08-24-2010, 12:04 AM
It was lousy then and now. The only person on drugs was Volquez.

We got Hamilton for FREE. It was a boneheaded move.

It isn't even close.
Ehhhhh what? Are you trying to tell me Hamilton didn't do crack? Yeah...no.

Volquez went 17-6 with a 3.21 ERA and 206 strikeouts in 196 innings as a 24 year old in 2008. Then he got hurt last year.

WVRedsFan
08-24-2010, 12:04 AM
Cueto and Volquez, the supposed future of Reds pitching, have lately just stunk up the place. The unhearalded Mike Leake and Tavis Wood have been mostly decent. We gave up a triple crown threat for Volquez. Leake and Wood were prospects within our own system. There has to be a lesson here somewhere. Also, Volquez was rushed back too quickly. Send him down to work on his control and pitches and bring Maloney up. Please.

kbrake
08-24-2010, 12:05 AM
It was lousy then and now. The only person on drugs was Volquez.

We got Hamilton for FREE. It was a boneheaded move.

It isn't even close.

Volquez was on drugs at the time of the trade? Or he used PED's to speed up his recovery? You think PED's and Josh Hamilton's issues are similar problems?

Reds Fanatic
08-24-2010, 12:05 AM
Guillen flies out to center.

reds44
08-24-2010, 12:06 AM
Volquez was on drugs at the time of the trade? Or he used PED's to speed up his recovery? You think PED's and Josh Hamilton's issues are similar problems?
Volquez got caught jucing at it cost him 50 games.

If Hamilton relapses he's literally kicked out of baseball.

Very comparable. Krivsky turned "nothing" into a pitcher capable of going 17-6 and striking out 200 guys in a season.

Where I come from we call that good GMing.

Reds Fanatic
08-24-2010, 12:06 AM
Sandoval almost took Smith's head off with a hit to center.

BCubb2003
08-24-2010, 12:07 AM
Remember when Boone said Volquez could go up against the other team's ace? Seems like so long ago.

Reds Fanatic
08-24-2010, 12:07 AM
Uribe grounds into a 4-6 FC. 5-0 Giants after 2.

Brutus
08-24-2010, 12:07 AM
OK how about a Rally Onion event?

Let's put some Rs on the board.

WVRedsFan
08-24-2010, 12:07 AM
I wasn't sold on it then....I'm still not. I've been on the fence since day 1.Apparently three of us. Volquez may come around, but I do not expect it. I don't think he is mature enough to deal with the mental and physical problems TJ surgery causes. I hope I'm wrong.

SirFelixCat
08-24-2010, 12:08 AM
I didn't mean anything about the "why rest up to watch this game"...I just honestly figured tonight for a "L" and if, by the grace of God, found a way to be 'in' this game, sweet! But Volquez has done NOTHING to warrant much hope. I obviously mean this season, not next etc. But he's just like Harang was before the DL. I just dreaded his starts because he just doesn't instill hope w/ his pitching. :shrug:

I hope they DL him or just try to skip the #5 slot for awhile. Not just to give the Reds the best chance to win, but also, since I live here in Denver, so we don't have to see him pitch while here :devil:

durl
08-24-2010, 12:08 AM
Rally Onion!!!

BuckeyeRedleg
08-24-2010, 12:08 AM
I can't pinpoint it, but something about this Giant team bothers me.

They kind of annoy me.

oregonred
08-24-2010, 12:09 AM
Volquez had TJ surgery about 11 months to go, so it's just possible that he might improve over nhis performance tonight.

Way to over react.

It's one game, yeah he stunk, but the world isn't coming to an end, and the Reds will still be in first palce tomorrow, even with a loss and a 5-2 road trip.

His 2 WHIP since the Colorado game means he can only get better. The world isn't ending, but the Reds have a rotation dilemma on their hands.

Would be foolish at this point not to replace EV at this point with Leake or Maloney for a couple of turns. After Sept 1, the Reds can have a 16-man pitching staff on hand for the next Volquez start, just in case.

pedro
08-24-2010, 12:09 AM
The Reds are going to win this game 8-7.

durl
08-24-2010, 12:09 AM
I can't pinpoint it, but something about this Giant team bothers me.

They kind of annoy me.

Them scoring 5 runs in the 1st inning will bother just about anyone.

Tom Servo
08-24-2010, 12:09 AM
RALLY ONION

Kc61
08-24-2010, 12:09 AM
Volquez had TJ surgery about 11 months to go, so it's just possible that he might improve over nhis performance tonight.

.

Sorry, this performance is unacceptable in a pennant race. It costs a game probably, it wastes the pen.

If V is not ready yet, then let him get ready at AAA. This is not practice time, it's a pennant race.

Longer term, hopefully he'll be fine. But the Reds can't have outings like this.

I'd give Volquez one more chance and then go back to Leake.

RBA
08-24-2010, 12:09 AM
I can't pinpoint it, but something about this Giant team bothers me.

They kind of annoy me.


Maybe Brandon Philliips can elaborate on it tonight to Jim Day. :D

kaldaniels
08-24-2010, 12:10 AM
Getting chippy in here...and I don't like where it's going due to the hard-headedness of tonight's participants.

I could stand here right now and make a compelling argument for both sides of the trade...there are so many variables involved. The end result appears to be that the Reds picked up JH at rock bottom, sold him halfway up during his ascent to the top, and now have EV to show for it. The whole Hamilton sequence wound up a net-gain for the Reds, but no doubt it could have been a lot better.

Reds Fanatic
08-24-2010, 12:10 AM
Smith strikes out looking.

RBA
08-24-2010, 12:10 AM
Not the Reds night when Cain is getting calls.

CTA513
08-24-2010, 12:10 AM
Just got home and I see Volquez had another stellar night.

mbgrayson
08-24-2010, 12:10 AM
I can't pinpoint it, but something about this Giant team bothers me.

They kind of annoy me.

A bunch of waiver wire pick-ups, free agents, and trades in the most of the position slots. Sanchez, Huff, Guillen, Burrell, etc....

OesterPoster
08-24-2010, 12:11 AM
Yeah, check out their lineup compared to opening day. Not even remotely close.

RBA
08-24-2010, 12:11 AM
A break for the Reds. Let's capitalize!

Reds Fanatic
08-24-2010, 12:12 AM
First break of the night as Huff drops a ball in foul territory.

pedro
08-24-2010, 12:12 AM
Not according to this board. You all would do that trade a million times over.

Why keep a triple crown/MVP candidate you got for free when you can have a steroid suspended batting practice machine.

Come on-somebody give me that old "I'd still do that trade a million times over" line with a straight face.

Sorry Dom but that is just wrong. You're more nuanced than that and I know it.

kaldaniels
08-24-2010, 12:12 AM
I've mentioned this before, and heck maybe he's not a dark horse, but Matt Cain is my dark horse Hall of Famer playing in the bigs today.

durl
08-24-2010, 12:13 AM
Phillips making Cain work a bit.

RBA
08-24-2010, 12:13 AM
Sorry Dom but that is just wrong. You're more nuanced than that and I know it.


He's channelling the poster that must not be named. ;)

OesterPoster
08-24-2010, 12:13 AM
On the bright side (though very dim), Cain is over 40 pitches already.

Reds Fanatic
08-24-2010, 12:13 AM
Phillips grounds out to 3rd.

Red in Chicago
08-24-2010, 12:14 AM
If you wish to continue discussing the merits of the EV / JH trade, please start another thread in ORG.

oregonred
08-24-2010, 12:14 AM
The Hamilton trade discussion is not appropriate for this forum. EV was at worst a #2 starter before TJ surgery.

What is relevant is what the Reds do with EV going forward in 2010. This kind of outing is a killer for the staff.

Less we forget, the Reds will only be one ahead in the loss column after tonight and the Cards have eight left with the Pirates.

reds44
08-24-2010, 12:14 AM
The Reds have an off day Thursday, the rotation would set up like this:

Tomorrow: Wood
Wednesday: Bailey
Thursday: Off day
Friday: Cueto
Saturday Arroyo
Sunday: Would be Volquez, but with the off day you could come back with Wood on normal rest.
Monday: Bailey on normal rest

That gets you to Tuesday, which is also August 31st. You could either call Harang up or give Leake the start that day.

Then the rosters expand the next day.

Btw, in no way to I put Volquez on the DL. That's pointless. If you don't want him pitching in a pennant race, that's fine, but then he needs to be logging innings in AAA.

durl
08-24-2010, 12:14 AM
40 pitches isn't too bad at this stage. He could go 7 innings.

Tornon
08-24-2010, 12:14 AM
Nix is quite the giant killer

Brutus
08-24-2010, 12:14 AM
Shot by Nix!

Runner on for Votto & the Rally Onion. C'mon, let's get a 2-out Onion.

Reds Fanatic
08-24-2010, 12:15 AM
Infield hit. Nix is really hitting the ball well.

RBA
08-24-2010, 12:15 AM
It seemed like Nix was taking the city tour to 1st base.

mbgrayson
08-24-2010, 12:15 AM
I've mentioned this before, and heck maybe he's not a dark horse, but Matt Cain is my dark horse Hall of Famer playing in the bigs today.

He is only 25 years old, and has a career record of 53-61 with a 3.46 ERA... if he sticks around till he is 35 to 40 he may win 300...

durl
08-24-2010, 12:15 AM
One at a time, boys. Make something happen here.

reds44
08-24-2010, 12:15 AM
Votto needs to send this ball for a swim.

REDSEER
08-24-2010, 12:15 AM
Regardless of the outcome of the game, I really do like tonight's lineup vs. righties.

PuffyPig
08-24-2010, 12:16 AM
I But Volquez has done NOTHING to warrant much hope.

In the 3 starts before his previous one before tonight, Volquez had given up 1run each game.

And the Reds had won 5 of his 6 starts this year.

Sure he pitched terrible tonight, but to suggest going into the game that he hadn't done anything to warrant much hope of a win, suggests to me you really aren't paying attention.

pedro
08-24-2010, 12:16 AM
I've mentioned this before, and heck maybe he's not a dark horse, but Matt Cain is my dark horse Hall of Famer playing in the bigs today.

If he'd been on a team with a decent offense he might have 100 wins already.

Reds Fanatic
08-24-2010, 12:16 AM
Cain is getting a wide strike zone.

reds44
08-24-2010, 12:17 AM
What a horrible break.

Brutus
08-24-2010, 12:17 AM
Shoot! That was a bad break.

BCubb2003
08-24-2010, 12:17 AM
Seems like MVP is team dependent.

HotCorner
08-24-2010, 12:17 AM
ugh.