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CarolinaRedleg
08-25-2010, 01:51 PM
Phillips 4
Heisey 9
Votto 3
Rolen 5
Gomes 7
Hanigan 2
Stubbs 8
Janish 6
Bailey RHP

RedsManRick
08-25-2010, 01:59 PM
That Gomes continues to find himself in the lineup every single day despite providing obvious negative value is an example of the "vet love" critiques aimed at Dusty over the years.

Yes, we're facing a lefty. But Gomes has been an equal opportunity popper-upper and the defensive difference between these two is massive. Why not have Gomes available as a late inning power threat against Affeldt or Lopez. Nix is already there for a LH option. Sigh...

westofyou
08-25-2010, 02:17 PM
That Gomes continues to find himself in the lineup every single day despite providing obvious negative value is an example of the "vet love" critiques aimed at Dusty over the years.

Yes, we're facing a lefty. But Gomes has been an equal opportunity popper-upper and the defensive difference between these two is massive. Why not have Gomes available as a late inning power threat against Affeldt or Lopez. Nix is already there for a LH option. Sigh...

Part of the reason last night is the match up, Jonny being a bay area guy and the feeling that he needs to perform better and the hope that being in front of friends might help start him.

Fact is the bench is short, Heisey also looks worse once a pitcher throws more than 4 pitches in an at bat and (his luster wears thin)

That said, Willie Mays couldn't have caught those balls in the seats last night

Cedric
08-25-2010, 02:23 PM
That Gomes continues to find himself in the lineup every single day despite providing obvious negative value is an example of the "vet love" critiques aimed at Dusty over the years.

Yes, we're facing a lefty. But Gomes has been an equal opportunity popper-upper and the defensive difference between these two is massive. Why not have Gomes available as a late inning power threat against Affeldt or Lopez. Nix is already there for a LH option. Sigh...

It's just odd. The guy is a major liability in the field and he isn't hitting a lick. Really can't explain it.

Is Bruce really that much worse of a hitter than Gomes against LH bats? I suggest he isn't and even so his defense is light years better.

reds1869
08-25-2010, 02:39 PM
Gomes is a likable guy. He is a good bench player. But Dusty's insistence on trotting him out so often is a real head scratcher.

RedsManRick
08-25-2010, 02:59 PM
Part of the reason last night is the match up, Jonny being a bay area guy and the feeling that he needs to perform better and the hope that being in front of friends might help start him.

Fact is the bench is short, Heisey also looks worse once a pitcher throws more than 4 pitches in an at bat and (his luster wears thin)

That said, Willie Mays couldn't have caught those balls in the seats last night

I understand the logic Dusty is using and I appreciate that nothing Gomes did or did not do made the difference last night. Though considering the common supposition is that he's pressing, I'm not sure how having friends and family around will help...

My argument is based on the premise that even a Gomes who is hitting well isn't all that productive, particularly compared to the other 4 active OF who are each plus defenders. It's one thing to play a true "proven vet" who has simply hit a rough patch but who is clearly the best option when going well and who is crucial to the team's success.

But Gomes is not that player, yet he's being treated as if he were. I don't know that Heisey is all that great, small samples and whatnot. But I do know regardless of who is pitching, both Heisey and Bruce are significantly better than Gomes in the field. and that SF has a large OF. And I know that these games are too important to put lesser talent on the field in the hopes of "getting him going" when there are viable alternatives who have been playing well and represent comparable, if not greater, upside value down the stretch.

westofyou
08-25-2010, 03:03 PM
I understand the logic Dusty is using and I appreciate that nothing Gomes did or did not do made the difference last night. Though considering the common supposition is that he's pressing, I'm not sure how having friends and family around will help...

My argument is based on the premise that even a Gomes who is hitting well isn't all that productive, particularly compared to the other 4 active OF who are each plus defenders. It's one thing to play a true "proven vet" who has simply hit a rough patch but who is clearly the best option when going well and who is crucial to the team's success.

But Gomes is not that player, yet he's being treated as if he were. I don't know that Heisey is all that great, small samples and whatnot. But I do know regardless of who is pitching, both Heisey and Bruce are significantly better than Gomes in the field. and that SF has a large OF. And I know that these games are too important to put lesser talent on the field in the hopes of "getting him going" when there are viable alternatives who have been playing well and represent comparable, if not greater, upside value down the stretch.
I thought with the OF's the Reds were going to see that Gomes would see no time, but the injuries changed that a bit.

oneupper
08-25-2010, 03:48 PM
Gomes was a foot shy of going yard last night.
Today he turns that shy foot into a yard.
Or something like that.

Playadlc
08-25-2010, 04:20 PM
I think Gomes has a big day today at the plate.

Playadlc
08-25-2010, 04:21 PM
Is this Bumgarner guy any good? His WHIP is terrible considering he has a low 3 ERA.

NJReds
08-25-2010, 04:22 PM
I'm interested to see Bailey today. This is a very big start. After two days of the starting pitchers getting pummelled, he needs to step up and pitch deep into the game and pitch well enough to finish the road trip with a win.

wheels
08-25-2010, 04:26 PM
Is this game televised?

Griffey012
08-25-2010, 04:26 PM
Is this Bumgarner guy any good? His WHIP is terrible considering he has a low 3 ERA.

I have never seen him throw before, but I believe he was the 3rd top pitching prospect in baseball behind Strasburg and Matusz according to Baseball America coming into the season. However his fastball which was once in the mid to high 90's sits in the low 90's.

Griffey012
08-25-2010, 04:29 PM
It's just odd. The guy is a major liability in the field and he isn't hitting a lick. Really can't explain it.

Is Bruce really that much worse of a hitter than Gomes against LH bats? I suggest he isn't and even so his defense is light years better.

He has to be, Gomes currently has the equivalent WAR on the season of Taveras during his Reds tenure, and it would be well below Taveras without his month of may. Patterson, Taveras, Gomes...worst everyday player in baseball running 3 seasons strong!

Reds Fanatic
08-25-2010, 04:41 PM
Is this game televised?yes on FSN

Griffey012
08-25-2010, 04:48 PM
Phillips leads it off with an infield single to 3rd.

kbrake
08-25-2010, 04:49 PM
Phillips IF single to get things started.

Griffey012
08-25-2010, 04:50 PM
Heisey with a fly out to Guillen, 1 down.

Griffey012
08-25-2010, 04:51 PM
Phillips swipes 2nd, lets get him in Joey.

Griffey012
08-25-2010, 04:52 PM
Votto!!!! 2 run HR

kbrake
08-25-2010, 04:52 PM
VOTTO!!!

Brutus
08-25-2010, 04:52 PM
Well that's a bit of a better way to kick things off.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 04:53 PM
When's the last time Votto hit a HR to right field?

NC Reds
08-25-2010, 04:54 PM
Other than incompetence, is there any reason Dusty treats Heisey like a platoon player?

His average is .383 against righties and .148 against lefties. AB's are rare enough for him lately but they always seems to be against lefties lately.

Votto is good.

CTA513
08-25-2010, 04:55 PM
When's the last time Votto hit a HR to right field?

I don't know but I wish Bruce had this type of approach.

nate
08-25-2010, 04:55 PM
Chat is open!

Tornon
08-25-2010, 04:55 PM
I don't know but I wish Bruce had this type of approach.

I think he will by the time he's Votto's age

Griffey012
08-25-2010, 04:56 PM
Jonny #100!!!

Tornon
08-25-2010, 04:56 PM
Jonny!

kbrake
08-25-2010, 04:56 PM
GOMES!!!!! hahaha

The Voice of IH
08-25-2010, 04:56 PM
Welcome back Gomes

Griffey012
08-25-2010, 04:56 PM
Wow, this calls for some celebrating.

Always Red
08-25-2010, 04:56 PM
Other than incompetence, is there any reason Dusty treats Heisey like a platoon player?

His average is .383 against righties and .148 against lefties. AB's are rare enough for him lately but they always seems to be against lefties lately.

Votto is good.

small sample size?

Dusty was quoted earlier as saying that Heisey always hit lefties better in the minors.

Votto is good!

Cedric
08-25-2010, 04:56 PM
Nice Gomes! Now get hot.

OesterPoster
08-25-2010, 04:57 PM
If Gomes wants to get hot for September, I'm okay with that.

CTA513
08-25-2010, 04:57 PM
Hopefully this gets Gomes going now that he finally hit #100.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 04:57 PM
If Gomes can duplicate his May performance in September, I think we all would agree that we'll tolerate the defense LOL

oneupper
08-25-2010, 04:58 PM
Gomes was a foot shy of going yard last night.
Today he turns that shy foot into a yard.
Or something like that.

I kind of called that.

kbrake
08-25-2010, 04:58 PM
HANNY!!!!!

Tornon
08-25-2010, 04:58 PM
Shouldn't have started Bumgarner on my fantasy team today..

The Voice of IH
08-25-2010, 04:59 PM
Shouldn't have started Bumgarner on my fantasy team today..

how dare you!

Tornon
08-25-2010, 04:59 PM
how dare you!

I know, I know, I'm sorry

kbrake
08-25-2010, 04:59 PM
Shouldn't have started Bumgarner on my fantasy team today..

I have Bailey and Bumgarner....I sat Bumgarner was hoping something like this would happen.

VR
08-25-2010, 04:59 PM
Hmm. I thought I was checking in on a 1PM start time.

I'm ok with it. :)

oneupper
08-25-2010, 04:59 PM
Balls flying today. Could be a wild one.

Chip R
08-25-2010, 04:59 PM
Gomes was a foot shy of going yard last night.
Today he turns that shy foot into a yard.
Or something like that.


Your haiku sucks. :p:

VR
08-25-2010, 04:59 PM
HANNY!!!!!

Did you know, Hanigan only had 11 ribbies last year?

kbrake
08-25-2010, 05:00 PM
Did you know, Hanigan only had 11 ribbies last year?

Thought I had read that some place :)

Brutus
08-25-2010, 05:00 PM
Apparently the Reds had some kind of team meeting today. Or at least they sure are acting like it.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:01 PM
Apparently the Reds had some kind of team meeting today. Or at least they sure are acting like it.

Offense hasn't been the problem.. we're about to see what Mr. Homer brought today

durl
08-25-2010, 05:01 PM
Why have I never felt so unsure about a 4-run lead? :)

CTA513
08-25-2010, 05:01 PM
Did you know, Hanigan only had 11 ribbies last year?

1 RBI away from tripling that RBI total.

reds1869
08-25-2010, 05:02 PM
This is fun; hopefully the arms do their part, too. And congrats to Jonny on #100, he deserves it. I've been critical of his play but there isn't a nicer guy on the team.

HeatherC1212
08-25-2010, 05:03 PM
Wow, it's great to pop into the game thread for the first time in a while and have a four run lead before our pitcher even takes the mound, LOL :laugh:

Go Reds!! :D

guttle11
08-25-2010, 05:03 PM
When's the last time Votto hit a HR to right field?

Feels like months. He's got some unreal power to the opposite field.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 05:04 PM
Offense hasn't been the problem.. we're about to see what Mr. Homer brought today

Well, it hasn't been the problem... though they've been making it a rather common occurrance to not score runs the first few innings, and then start mashing when they get behind 3, 4 and 5 runs.

It's a lot easier when you get on the board early and often.

OesterPoster
08-25-2010, 05:04 PM
Bumgarner has not given up more than 4 runs in any of his starts this year. Let's see that change today.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:05 PM
i think it's safe to say Homer's first inning was better than Edinson's or Travis'

Griffey012
08-25-2010, 05:05 PM
Shouldn't have started Bumgarner on my fantasy team today..

I started Travis Wood yesterday, and Bumgarner today...double whammy for my fantasy team anyway...I love watching the Reds drill any pitcher.

VR
08-25-2010, 05:05 PM
i think it's safe to say Homer's inning was better than Edinson's or Travis'

Homer was at the team meeting.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:05 PM
I started Travis Wood yesterday, and Bumgarner today...double whammy for my fantasy team anyway...I love watching the Reds drill any pitcher.

Now that you say that, I did start Wood in that same league yesterday. So I feel your pain

Hoosier Red
08-25-2010, 05:05 PM
It didn't quite get around to him, but I'm guessing there aren't a whole lot better feelings for a visting pitcher than coming to the plate to make his first appearance of the game.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 05:06 PM
7-pitch inning for Homer, 1-2-3.

32-pitch inning for Madison, 1-2-3 homers.

One of these things is not like the other.

HeatherC1212
08-25-2010, 05:07 PM
7-pitch inning for Homer, 1-2-3.

32-pitch inning for Madison, 1-2-3 homers.

One of these things is not like the other.

Let's hope it stays that way! It's time for the Reds to open up a can on the Giants. :p:

reds1869
08-25-2010, 05:07 PM
Now that you say that, I did start Wood in that same league yesterday. So I feel your pain

I sat Bumgarner in the league we're in together. I figured he was due for an implosion, and it looks like I chose wisely.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:08 PM
I sat Bumgarner in the league we're in together. I figured he was due for an implosion, and it looks like I chose wisely.

Very nice, I'm honestly to the point where I'm about ready to sit any pitcher that faces the Reds

Brutus
08-25-2010, 05:09 PM
I sat Bumgarner in the league we're in together. I figured he was due for an implosion, and it looks like I chose wisely.

Wish you had not done that ;)

RichRed
08-25-2010, 05:10 PM
A name like Madison K. Bumgarner should have "the Third" after it.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 05:11 PM
A name like Madison K. Bumgarner should have "the Third" after it.

How very astute, LOL

Brutus
08-25-2010, 05:11 PM
Madison throw lots of pitches. Madison get tired soon.

RichRed
08-25-2010, 05:16 PM
How very astute, LOL

Never let it be said I'm not a solid contributor.

medford
08-25-2010, 05:16 PM
Madison throw lots of pitches. Madison get tired soon.

46 of 'em I think.

RichRed
08-25-2010, 05:20 PM
PBP?

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:21 PM
Burrell struck out, Guillen & Sandoval with back to back singles

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:22 PM
Uribe flies to deep right, Guillen to 3rd

RichRed
08-25-2010, 05:23 PM
Thanks, Tornon. How about getting us that 3rd out?

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:25 PM
Sanchez is battling on a 2-2 count

Hoosier Red
08-25-2010, 05:27 PM
wow, a nice at bat from Sanchez here.

kbrake
08-25-2010, 05:28 PM
Sanchez doubles in 1. Homer getting flat out squeezed in this inning.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:28 PM
Sanchez doubles down the RF line, they had him at second but apparently Janish dropped the ball. 1 run scores, runners at second and third

medford
08-25-2010, 05:28 PM
hopfully this guy's a bum at the plate. Need to limit them to 1.

Hoosier Red
08-25-2010, 05:29 PM
Sanchez doubles in 1. Homer getting flat out squeezed in this inning.

Didn't see the other at bats, but Gameday had all three balls that inning being outside the strikezone if just barely.

Great great at bat.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:30 PM
Bumgarner pops to Votto in foul territory, 4-1 Reds after 2

VR
08-25-2010, 05:30 PM
Sanchez 9 for 10 in the series. Sandoval 7-10.


pffffffft.

kaldaniels
08-25-2010, 05:30 PM
So cool on that catch.

kbrake
08-25-2010, 05:30 PM
Didn't see the other at bats, but Gameday had all three balls that inning being outside the strikezone if just barely.

Great great at bat.

I don't know how that fastball at the knees was out of the zone it looked like it was right there. Should have had Sanchez looking. In the other AB's dropped some big curves that didn't get called.

oneupper
08-25-2010, 05:30 PM
Sanchez doubles in 1. Homer getting flat out squeezed in this inning.

Agree with the assessment. Dude in blue with a tiny zone.

CTA513
08-25-2010, 05:31 PM
Sanchez batting average went from .261 to .281 this series.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 05:32 PM
I did think the third ball was a strike.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:32 PM
Heisey pops out on the first pitch, 1 out

reds1869
08-25-2010, 05:32 PM
So cool on that catch.

Votto has really come into his own as a fielder. He'll add a gold glove to his trophy case some day.

kbrake
08-25-2010, 05:32 PM
I did think the third ball was a strike.

Thats the one I'm talking about. Just a bad call.

Playadlc
08-25-2010, 05:33 PM
So cool on that catch.

He did make that look easy.

Hoosier Red
08-25-2010, 05:33 PM
I don't know how that fastball at the knees was out of the zone it looked like it was right there. Should have had Sanchez looking. In the other AB's dropped some big curves that didn't get called.

Again I'm not watching it so I couldn't tell you.
Impressed with Homer though, he didn't give in to the guy, but he didn't really just lay a pitch up there just to get a strike either. He's really improved his mental toughness in the past few years.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:34 PM
Votto strikes out looking, 2 out

kbrake
08-25-2010, 05:35 PM
Now Bumgarner getting the borderline calls that were not there for Bailey last inning.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:37 PM
Rolen lines a double to left on the 9th pitch of the atbat

oneupper
08-25-2010, 05:37 PM
Rolen with a great AB. Madison's pitch count is mounting.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 05:37 PM
What a great plate appearance.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:38 PM
Gomes lines a single to left, Rolen scores. 5-1 Reds

kaldaniels
08-25-2010, 05:38 PM
Votto has really come into his own as a fielder. He'll add a gold glove to his trophy case some day.

You talk as if defense has something to do with the gold glove. :D

Brutus
08-25-2010, 05:39 PM
Jonny-Be-Gomes!

redsmetz
08-25-2010, 05:39 PM
Jonny Gomes to RZ: Just shut up already! :)

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:41 PM
Hanigan draws a walk, 1st & 2nd - 2 out

kbrake
08-25-2010, 05:42 PM
72 pitches for Bumgarner. Ramirez warming up for the Giants.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 05:42 PM
It's a little more fun on this side of the scoreboard. I would prefer they keep it that way the rest of this game.

medford
08-25-2010, 05:42 PM
Sure would be a nice time for Drew to go yard or drive one into the gap.

OesterPoster
08-25-2010, 05:43 PM
72 pitches for Bumgarner. Ramirez warming up for the Giants.

Let's hope Stubbs doesn't pull one fair into the bullpen. :)

oneupper
08-25-2010, 05:43 PM
Bumgarner's bummed. Wanted that last call.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:44 PM
Stubbs hits a flyball to left, Burrell misses it, 2 runs score. Stubbs ends up at third, 7-1 Reds

medford
08-25-2010, 05:44 PM
Sure would be a nice time for Drew to go yard or drive one into the gap.

How we lookin?

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:45 PM
Stubbs tries to score on a wild pitch, they throw him out but drop the ball. 8-1 Reds

medford
08-25-2010, 05:45 PM
I'll consider that as good as a home run :)

Hoosier Red
08-25-2010, 05:45 PM
Stubbs hits a flyball to left, Burrell misses it, 2 runs score. Stubbs ends up at third, 7-1 Reds

Error? Or legitimate triple?

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:45 PM
Error? Or legitimate triple?

I've just got radio.. it sounded like a triple, i don't think it his Burrell's glove

VR
08-25-2010, 05:46 PM
Error? Or legitimate triple?

gameday calling it a triple

HeatherC1212
08-25-2010, 05:46 PM
NICE. :thumbup: I attempt to get some work done here and come to find out the Reds are now up by 7 runs. Keep piling on! :D

kbrake
08-25-2010, 05:46 PM
Error? Or legitimate triple?

Should be an error but who knows how they will score it. Pretty sure it was in his glove.

Ok Giants have an arguement there Stubbs should have been out. The run from the Sanchez double is forgiven.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:46 PM
Apparently they were trying to intentionally walk Janish but he threw the ball to the backstop that let Stubbs score. Bumgarner is now done, Giants to the bullpen

oneupper
08-25-2010, 05:46 PM
REDs catch a break,. Stubbs was out at home, ball got away from Bumgarner a long time after the tag.

Cyclone792
08-25-2010, 05:46 PM
:lol: Bumgarner's wild pitch comes on an intentional ball. That's one of the funniest things I've ever seen in an MLB game.

RBA
08-25-2010, 05:47 PM
Stubbs tries to score on a wild pitch, they throw him out but drop the ball. 8-1 Reds

I thought Stubbs got in underneath the tag. Regardless, still a score.

oneupper
08-25-2010, 05:47 PM
:lol: Bumgarner's wild pitch comes on an intentional ball. That's one of the funniest things I've ever seen in an MLB game.

Janish wasn't even looking. :) Had his head down.

Playadlc
08-25-2010, 05:48 PM
This has been an odd series.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:48 PM
Ramon Ramirez promptly comes in and gets Janish on a grouder back to the mound. He throws the ball away to first, Janish at second and Aubrey Huff got hurt on the play at first

OesterPoster
08-25-2010, 05:48 PM
Is there a full moon?

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:49 PM
Is there a full moon?

They made clear mention that there was last night on the giant's broadcast

Heath
08-25-2010, 05:49 PM
This has been an odd year.

Fixed for ya.

I'm not staying. The last time I did on a large lead, they lost.

medford
08-25-2010, 05:49 PM
Is there a full moon?

Space Station's flying overhead tonight, does that count?

oneupper
08-25-2010, 05:49 PM
Ramon Ramirez promptly comes in and gets Janish on a grouder back to the mound. He throws the ball away to first, Janish at second and Aubrey Huff got hurt on the play at first

Janish made it to third.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:50 PM
Janish made it to third.

Mm thanks, they failed to mention that.

Bailey lines to right, 8-1 Reds middle of 3

Playadlc
08-25-2010, 05:50 PM
Bailey impresses me at the plate.

RBA
08-25-2010, 05:50 PM
Like the moon wasn't full anywhere else but San Francisco last night.

LincolnparkRed
08-25-2010, 05:50 PM
Let's hope Stubbs doesn't pull one fair into the bullpen. :)

still love how they forgot to build the bullpens, and had to add them after the first players came through.

oneupper
08-25-2010, 05:51 PM
Bailey impresses me at the plate.

He batted cleanup in HS. FWIW.

RichRed
08-25-2010, 05:51 PM
Holy cow! Are you sure you guys aren't accidentally watching a Little League game? Like a mass hallucination or something?

Brutus
08-25-2010, 05:51 PM
He batted cleanup in HS. FWIW.

That probably describes half the major league pitchers though, LOL.

reds1869
08-25-2010, 05:52 PM
YouTube - Entry Of The Gladiators (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g094B573iWI)

oneupper
08-25-2010, 05:52 PM
That probably describes half the major league pitchers though, LOL.

True. But some guys can at least look the part out there. You just know Harang was never a cleanup hitter.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 05:53 PM
Holy cow! Are you sure you guys aren't accidentally watching a Little League game? Like a mass hallucination or something?

Pretty sure. Danny Almonte, I mean, Danny Herrera is in AAA so it can't be a Little League game.

CTA513
08-25-2010, 05:53 PM
:lol: Bumgarner's wild pitch comes on an intentional ball. That's one of the funniest things I've ever seen in an MLB game.


It reminded me of a video I saw of a minor league game in which the pitcher had a hard time throwing intentional balls and ended up losing on wild intentional ball.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:55 PM
Torres & Posey ground out, 2 down no one on for Huff

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:56 PM
Huff lines a single to left-center

Tornon
08-25-2010, 05:58 PM
Burrell pops to Janish, 8-1 Reds after 3

oneupper
08-25-2010, 05:58 PM
Has Bailey dropped his sinker?
Only seeing curves and heaters.

redsmetz
08-25-2010, 05:59 PM
Burrell pops to Janish, 8-1 Reds after 3

Wow, what's the delay on the radio broadcast? Brantley was just starting to make the contact and your call of it came over RZ.

VR
08-25-2010, 06:00 PM
keep the boot on the neck boys.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:00 PM
Has Bailey dropped his sinker?
Only seeing curves and heaters.

He never threw a sinker did he? Just Fastball/Curveball/Slider/Split

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:01 PM
Wow, what's the delay on the radio broadcast? Brantley was just starting to make the contact and your call of it came over RZ.

I dunno delays are weird in different places.. i have the SF broadcast via gameday online

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:01 PM
Phillips pops to shallow left, 1 out

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:02 PM
Heisey grounds back to the pitcher, 2 out

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:04 PM
Votto launches another HR to left, 9-1 Reds

Reds Fanatic
08-25-2010, 06:05 PM
Votto HR #31!

OesterPoster
08-25-2010, 06:06 PM
He never threw a sinker did he? Just Fastball/Curveball/Slider/Split

A splitter is a sinker. He hasn't been throwing it very much at all since the DL stint.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:06 PM
Rolen grounds back to the pitcher, 9-1 Reds middle of 4

HeatherC1212
08-25-2010, 06:06 PM
Joey's tired of Big Al being ahead of him in HRs so he's decided to make them all up today. :lol: :thumbup:

WOOT!! Go JOEY!!! :D

oneupper
08-25-2010, 06:07 PM
He never threw a sinker did he? Just Fastball/Curveball/Slider/Split

Thinking about the split....my bad.
Has he stopped throwing it?

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:07 PM
A splitter is a sinker. He hasn't been throwing it very much at all since the DL stint.

Technically yeah, I always think of sinkers as 2-seam fastballs and splitters as a split-fingered fastball that drops more & isn't meant to be a strike. But splitters can cause arm problems, and that might have been what happened with Bailey hence why he dropped it

reds1869
08-25-2010, 06:08 PM
Votto is having the type of special season we don't get to see too often. I pretty much expect something great to happen every time he steps on the field.

OesterPoster
08-25-2010, 06:08 PM
Votto is having the type of special season we don't get to see too often. I pretty much expect something great to happen every time he steps on the field.

DJ Reyburn disagrees with this.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 06:10 PM
Votto is now within 2 homers and 3 ribbies of triple crown driver's seat position. Awesome.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:11 PM
Giants announcers complimenting Homer's changeup.

Guillen walks after an extended at bat

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:12 PM
Votto is now within 2 homers and 3 ribbies of triple crown driver's seat position. Awesome.

Yes, but Pujols faces Daniel McCutchen tonight.. come back with those numbers in about 5 hours

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:12 PM
Sandoval singles to right, 1st & 2nd nobody out

OesterPoster
08-25-2010, 06:13 PM
Sandoval's BABIP has to be like eleventy billion.

oneupper
08-25-2010, 06:13 PM
Bailey doesn't have an out pitch. That's why I was wondering about his sinker/split whatever.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:14 PM
Uribe pops to Heisey, 1 out

Brutus
08-25-2010, 06:15 PM
Yes, but Pujols faces Daniel McCutchen tonight.. come back with those numbers in about 5 hours

He will hit 5 homers and drive in 13 runs.

VR
08-25-2010, 06:16 PM
Votto is now within 2 homers and 3 ribbies of triple crown driver's seat position. Awesome.

The Reds will have also played 4 more games than the Cards.

Albert has to cool off. Doesn't he?

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:17 PM
Sanchez grounds into a 6-4-3 double play, 9-1 Reds after 4

OesterPoster
08-25-2010, 06:17 PM
The Reds will have also played 4 more games than the Cards.

Albert has to cool off. Doesn't he?

You'd think his production would tail off, or he'd need a few days off during their insane 30 games in 31 days...or whatever it is.

kbrake
08-25-2010, 06:17 PM
The Reds will have also played 4 more games than the Cards.

Albert has to cool off. Doesn't he?

Maybe Votto will just have to heat up....

oneupper
08-25-2010, 06:17 PM
The Reds will have also played 4 more games than the Cards.

Albert has to cool off. Doesn't he?

Or run out of juice :D

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:18 PM
Maybe Votto will just have to heat up....

I think Joey can hit 43 more homers

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:19 PM
Gomes grounds to short, 1 out

kbrake
08-25-2010, 06:19 PM
I think Joey can hit 43 more homers

Love the positive thinking

Brutus
08-25-2010, 06:20 PM
I think Joey can hit 43 more homers

Which will be especially nice if Albert only hits 4.3 more homers.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:21 PM
Hanigan grounds to third, 2 out

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:23 PM
Stubbs draws a walk

oneupper
08-25-2010, 06:23 PM
You know Gomes has had his 3 AB, two hits. Got his #100. Lefty starter is gone.
How about sitting him down a while, in favor of Bruce, so we can have some better D..

How about it Dusty?

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:25 PM
Janish draws a walk

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:26 PM
Bailey singles to right center, Stubbs scores, Janish to third on a Guillen-error. 10-1 Reds

oneupper
08-25-2010, 06:27 PM
Bailey singles to right center, Stubbs scores, Janish to third. 10-1 Reds

Just like HS, Homer. :D

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:27 PM
Giants going to the bullpen, Santiago Casilla in to pitch, Mike Fontenot in to play second

Brutus
08-25-2010, 06:28 PM
The Reds need to get two more runners on base here so they can have another RBI opportunity for Vottomatic.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:29 PM
Reds lead 10-1.. the Braves are playing now and also lead 10-1 awhile ago. Now they lead 10-8, lets not follow suit

VR
08-25-2010, 06:29 PM
I love it.

Cowherd was railing on the Red frauds again this morning, I'm sure he'll be quiet on it tomorrow. (not likely)

oneupper
08-25-2010, 06:29 PM
Do the Giants have some super bullpen that they can bring Casilla in to mop up?

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:30 PM
Phillips hit by the pitch, bases loaded 2 down for Heisey

OesterPoster
08-25-2010, 06:31 PM
Was that a curve or fastball?

oneupper
08-25-2010, 06:32 PM
That wasn't good. Got him on the hand.

VR
08-25-2010, 06:32 PM
is he hurt?

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:32 PM
He's staying in the game

oneupper
08-25-2010, 06:32 PM
is he hurt?

He's at first. But that will swell.

oneupper
08-25-2010, 06:33 PM
Game going towards 2 Hrs. Top of the 5th.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:34 PM
Heisey Ks looking 10-1 Reds middle of 5

oneupper
08-25-2010, 06:35 PM
Heisey Ks looking 10-1 Reds middle of 5

That was not a strike. Ump was watching the clock.

PuffyPig
08-25-2010, 06:36 PM
The Reds last 8 runs have scored after there were two outs and no one on base.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 06:37 PM
That was not a strike. Ump was watching the clock.

I'm not watching the game, but the game tracker had that one way low and outside.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:38 PM
Fontenot walks

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:39 PM
Torres singles to shallow right, Fontenot to 2nd

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:41 PM
Posey Ks swinging on 3 pitches, 1 out

Brutus
08-25-2010, 06:42 PM
I was hoping Bailey would give 7 or 8 innings, but it's not looking like that will be possible. I know there's a day off tomorrow, but the Reds could really use an extended outing from a starter.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:43 PM
Huff grounds softly down the first base line, 2 out as the runners move up

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:44 PM
Giants announcers making a case how Omar Infante could be the real culprit in ruining a triple crown

_Sir_Charles_
08-25-2010, 06:44 PM
Forgot it was an early game today darn it. Nice to see the bats wake up.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:44 PM
Burrell singles to left, both runners score. 10-3 Reds

Kc61
08-25-2010, 06:45 PM
0-2 pitch.

CTA513
08-25-2010, 06:45 PM
Leadoff walk scores.

_Sir_Charles_
08-25-2010, 06:45 PM
How has Homer looked? I see the hits, bb's, K's and runs...

Kc61
08-25-2010, 06:46 PM
How has Homer looked? I see the hits, bb's, K's and runs...

Solid but unspectacular.

Tornon
08-25-2010, 06:46 PM
Guillen flies to Heisey in foul territory, I'm out for now.. time to head home from work

Brutus
08-25-2010, 06:46 PM
How has Homer looked? I see the hits, bb's, K's and runs...

Not great, not bad. He's gotten ahead of hitters, but he's been getting hit with too many good pitches in the zone with two strikes.

Homer Bailey
08-25-2010, 06:46 PM
From the STL sports forum:


And Homer Bailey is suddenly the uber-stud pitcher he was expected to be when he was drafted. The Reds are getting so deep in pitching they'll have to add an extra AAA farm team just to keep them all stabled.

_Sir_Charles_
08-25-2010, 06:47 PM
Solid but unspectacular.

I can live with that. :O)

Nice to see Gomes get rid of that monkey on his back numbered 100. Maybe now he can get into a bit of a groove.

membengal
08-25-2010, 06:47 PM
Solid but unspectacular.

Given that that park has played like Coors Field west for three games, I would go a little better than that for an assessment.

If he can get through one more inning with no runs, that's a quality start and a site for sore eyes after the last two days.

WVRedsFan
08-25-2010, 06:47 PM
From the STL sports forum:Not a bad problem to have. We waited so long...

VR
08-25-2010, 06:49 PM
Giants announcers making a case how Omar Infante could be the real culprit in ruining a triple crown

Yep...that looks to be a problem.


Is it 502 plate appearances needed? (3.1 x 162)

PuffyPig
08-25-2010, 06:49 PM
I was hoping Bailey would give 7 or 8 innings, but it's not looking like that will be possible. I know there's a day off tomorrow, but the Reds could really use an extended outing from a starter.

Massett, Rhodes and Cordero are all fresh and need to be used today anyway, with the off day tomororw.

So, Bailey can actually be on a short leash.

Even with the blowouts the last two days, Baker has mananged to keep the best relievers unused.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 06:50 PM
Massett, Rhodes and Cordero are all fresh and need to be used today anyway, with the off day tomororw.

So, Bailey can actually be on a short leash.

Even with the blowouts the last two days, Baker has mananged to keep the best relievers unused.

That's true, though it would have been nice to keep them all unused and all fresh heading into the weekend.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 06:51 PM
Yep...that looks to be a problem.


Is it 502 plate appearances needed? (3.1 x 162)

Yessir. Infante is 1-5 today. Hopefully he'll cool down a bit, since it looks like he could get to qualification.

Homer Bailey
08-25-2010, 06:56 PM
Why has ESPN on my phone shown "End of 5" for about 10 minutes now?

Brutus
08-25-2010, 06:56 PM
BTW, Infante currently has 343 plate appearances. The Braves have 35 games left after today. Assuming 5 PAs per game, he's on pace for 517 PAs.

Of course, sustaining the pace he's on might be a challenge. But it looks like he'll be real close to getting the necessary number, and if he doesn't, he still could win if the recalculation of hitless at-bats leaves him first.

WVRedsFan
08-25-2010, 07:00 PM
Man, what a play by Rolen--diving for the ball and nearly getting Uribe at first/

Now Homer is simply giving things away after 100 pitches

WVRedsFan
08-25-2010, 07:02 PM
Bailey takes a promising start and leaves early. Why is it that our young pitchers always seem to throw way too many pitches?

Kc61
08-25-2010, 07:04 PM
Bray wild pitches a run home, 10-4.

WVRedsFan
08-25-2010, 07:04 PM
I may be talking to myself (no one's posted for awhile), but it always seems that any runners Bray inherits score. 10-4 on a wild pitch. Good grief.

Homer Bailey
08-25-2010, 07:04 PM
This game aint over.

Kc61
08-25-2010, 07:04 PM
10-5.

CTA513
08-25-2010, 07:05 PM
Turned into a crappy start by Bailey.

Kc61
08-25-2010, 07:05 PM
Bray comes in, gets both batters out, yet allows the two inherited runners to score.

Matt700wlw
08-25-2010, 07:05 PM
I'm done with Bill Bray.

WVRedsFan
08-25-2010, 07:05 PM
Bray allows the two runs but his ERA won't suffer and many will think he was lights out. Been his pattern since he came over from Washington.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 07:05 PM
I may be talking to myself (no one's posted for awhile), but it always seems that any runners Bray inherits score. 10-4 on a wild pitch. Good grief.

People are just driving by slowly, while watching intently--as they would a car accident.

_Sir_Charles_
08-25-2010, 07:07 PM
It's a shame Homer got tagged for 4 runs these last 2 innings....but as long as we get the W, it's all good.

WVRedsFan
08-25-2010, 07:07 PM
Homer allows 5 ER in 5.1 innings. Lousy. Of course, Bray's ineptness cost Bailey two of those.

The lesson of the last two nights--we need more runs.

Kc61
08-25-2010, 07:09 PM
Reds just don't handle early game prosperity very well. They fail to put teams away when ahead early.

WVRedsFan
08-25-2010, 07:09 PM
Hanigan just looked horrible there striking out.

WVRedsFan
08-25-2010, 07:11 PM
Ugh. Uncle.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 07:12 PM
BTW, the Giants' BABIP this series is 36-of-79 (.455).

_Sir_Charles_
08-25-2010, 07:13 PM
Janish with a shot down the line for a double.

_Sir_Charles_
08-25-2010, 07:13 PM
Leake PH'ing.

Homer Bailey
08-25-2010, 07:13 PM
Thanks Brutus. I was about to look that up myself. That is just insane.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 07:14 PM
Janish with a shot down the line for a double.

Must be against a 'soft' pitcher ;)

Kc61
08-25-2010, 07:14 PM
Why is Leake hitting with a man on second? Why not Nix, or Bruce, or Cairo?

Brutus
08-25-2010, 07:15 PM
Why is Leake hitting with a man on second? Why not Nix, or Bruce, or Cairo?

He has a .348 BA this year. Why not?

Kc61
08-25-2010, 07:16 PM
He has a .348 BA this year. Why not?

He just struck out.

Leake's batting average means nothing, he's a pitcher, a righty hitter facing a tough righty side winding pitcher. Wouldn't have used him with a man in scoring position.

Unless Dusty is expecting extra innings.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 07:18 PM
The Rockies just tied the game 10-10 against Atlanta.

Brutus
08-25-2010, 07:18 PM
He just struck out.

Leake's batting average means nothing, he's a pitcher, a righty hitter facing a tough righty side winding pitcher. Wouldn't have used him with a man in scoring position.

Unless Dusty is expecting extra innings.

Cairo, Bruce, etc. have never struck out?

And yeah, I'd save my bullets just in case.

WVRedsFan
08-25-2010, 07:19 PM
I thought the Leake move was a little bit of thinking we had it all wrapped up, which we do not. Not good.