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PuffyPig
08-26-2010, 08:03 PM
Since August 25 of 2009, the Reds are 30 games over .500.

During that same year period, the Cards are 12 games over .500, 9 games below us.

The thought we may actually be better than them isn't based on a recent hot stretch, but has been going on for more than a year.

Jpup
08-26-2010, 08:06 PM
Better is as better does. The Reds got swept last time. When they start beating them, they can be considered better. Yes, they are better against the bad teams.

membengal
08-26-2010, 08:11 PM
Don't the Astros have the better of the season series record agains the Cardinals? Does that mean that StL has a better record than Houston, but only when they start beating Houston, will they be considered to be better than Houston?

PuffyPig
08-26-2010, 08:14 PM
Better is as better does. The Reds got swept last time. When they start beating them, they can be considered better. Yes, they are better against the bad teams.

My bad.

I hadn't realized that the standings were based on a weighted average.

Query?

If we end up with more wins than the Cards this season, will they still go to the playoffs because they won the season series?

kaldaniels
08-26-2010, 10:59 PM
Better is as better does. The Reds got swept last time. When they start beating them, they can be considered better. Yes, they are better against the bad teams.

Since one year ago today, who has been the better team? Simple question.

One step further, since opening day 2010, who is better?

Survey says....

BuckeyeRedleg
08-27-2010, 12:03 AM
I posted this in another thread earlier today.


Going back to last year (the Reds finished 27-13 in their last 40 games), the Reds have now won 100 of their last 167 games (100-67).

Over the last 162?

95-67

Thank you, Scott Rolen. I was wrong. Forgive me.

There is no doubt the Reds are a better team than the Cards. It would just be nice if the Reds could prove that to them and their fans in person.

WVRedsFan
08-27-2010, 12:09 AM
Yes, Rolen. If only we had pulled the trigger a little earlier. Also noticed Edwin threw one past second base into the outfield tonight. It brought back memories and made me even gladder that Scotty is with us.

reds44
08-27-2010, 12:11 AM
Better is as better does. The Reds got swept last time. When they start beating them, they can be considered better. Yes, they are better against the bad teams.
Oh please. I'm pretty sure the Reds won the season series against the Cardinals last year. As somebody else said, the Astros have the Cardinals number this year as well.

Fact of the matter is we've been 4 games better than the Cardinals for 100 and whatever games this season. That's all that matters.

MattyHo4Life
08-27-2010, 01:12 AM
Oh please. I'm pretty sure the Reds won the season series against the Cardinals last year. As somebody else said, the Astros have the Cardinals number this year as well.

Fact of the matter is we've been 4 games better than the Cardinals for 100 and whatever games this season. That's all that matters.

If the Reds were a below .500 team like the Astros, then they would own the Cardinals in head to head games. The Cardinals just can't beat the teams they should be able to beat.

MattyHo4Life
08-27-2010, 01:13 AM
My bad.

I hadn't realized that the standings were based on a weighted average.

Query?

If we end up with more wins than the Cards this season, will they still go to the playoffs because they won the season series?

If the Cardinals finish with a better record than the Reds this year, then would you consider them the better team?

VR
08-27-2010, 01:39 AM
If the Cardinals finish with a better record than the Reds this year, then would you consider them the better team?

There really isn't anything to consider, is there? :)

This is Cowherd's main argument...that they are just beating bad teams. Guess what? It doesn't matter, not one iota, on the last day of the season...how you got there.

Just get there.

WebScorpion
08-27-2010, 02:14 AM
Here's the reason the Cards won't catch the Reds. Well, this plus the 30 games in 30 days begun by a 13-inning loss to a last place team.

Name, 2010 OPS, 2010 OBP
Winn, .712, .330
Lopez, .687, .326
Schumaker, .674, .333
Molina, .665, .329
Ryan, .589, .286
Feliz, .576, .255

Name, 2010 OPS, 2010 OBP
Nix, .807, .345
Heisey, .806, .349
Phillips, .801, .343
Hanigan, .787, .377
Janish, .780, .366
Cairo, .768, 353
Bruce, .761, .333
Gomes, .759, .327
Stubbs, .707, .302

The top 3 players on each team are pretty comparable, but beyond that the Reds offense is quite a bit better. The Cards are starting 4 players who are OPSing less than Stubbs, who has our worst OPS including backups. :eek: Pitching-wise the Reds have a ways to go. They have 5 young pitchers who have the potential to become like Carpenter or Wainwright, but only one of them who might challenge right now. I think the Reds will take the division, but unless they get hot at the right time, I doubt they'll go far into the playoffs. The future is super bright! :cool:

GAC
08-27-2010, 05:06 AM
Oh please. I'm pretty sure the Reds won the season series against the Cardinals last year.

They split. The Reds were 8-8 vs the Cards last year.


As somebody else said, the Astros have the Cardinals number this year as well.

Doesn't really matter in my book because we don't. We're 5-10 vs the Cards this year with 3 games left to play.


The Cardinals just can't beat the teams they should be able to beat.

Thank God for that! :D

thatcoolguy_22
08-27-2010, 12:37 PM
If everyone beat the teams they should, then 120 win seasons would be the norm. The game is played on the field and a 15 game sample is not much. Put them in the playoffs where the pitching matchups were not set up 4 weeks in advance and see where they stand.

BCubb2003
08-27-2010, 12:44 PM
I'd just like to thank MattyMo4Life for being a cool fan here and a credit to the Cardinals' otherwise evil fanbase.

thatcoolguy_22
08-27-2010, 12:52 PM
I'd just like to thank MattyMo4Life for being a cool fan here and a credit to the Cardinals' otherwise evil fanbase.

Benedict Arnold :D

I concur

The Voice of IH
08-28-2010, 11:13 AM
Since 08/27/09, The Reds are 11-3 against the CUBS

Captain Hook
08-28-2010, 01:50 PM
226-226 is Dusty Bakers record with the Reds.If at some point(hopefully tonight)the Reds can push their seasons record to 21 games over .500 and keep it there Dusty could end his 3 yr contract with the Reds as a winning manager.