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IndyReds1977
08-27-2010, 11:52 AM
Stephen Strasburg has a significant tear on the ulnar collateral ligament that probably will require reconstructive Tommy John elbow surgery, the Washington Nationals announced Friday.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5502866


Wow.

Fon Duc Tow
08-27-2010, 11:53 AM
if only he would have listened to Rob Dibble.

IndyReds1977
08-27-2010, 11:55 AM
I am not real surprised, but I just feel bad for the guy and for baseball in general. The guy was amazing to watch and hopefully he makes it back as good as he was before.

Boston Red
08-27-2010, 12:04 PM
if only he would have listened to Rob Dibble.

Yeah, just reinforces what an idiot Dibbs is (as if that needed further reinforcement).

Trace's Daddy
08-27-2010, 12:06 PM
Hate it for the Nats and Strasburg but even more glad to have Leake

mlh1981
08-27-2010, 12:07 PM
Poor guy.

Just goes to show how hit/miss drafting is, but he's young enough to bounce back and still have a great career.

Jack Burton
08-27-2010, 12:07 PM
Poor Natinals.

New York Red
08-27-2010, 12:09 PM
Wow, I didn't realize his injury was that serious. Tough break for the kid, but fortunately pitchers bounce back from these things now. Hopefully he'll return as good as before. Good luck to the young man.

redssince75
08-27-2010, 12:16 PM
if only he would have listened to Rob Dibble.

What did Dibble say?

What it makes me think is there is a physical human limit on how fast the body can produce the motions to throw a baseball really hard. Even the hardest throwers top out about 100 mph, and this limit doesn't seem to be creeping up over time as, say the 100m dash record creeps downward consistently.

Maybe throwing at our near that limit consistently, caused injury.

brm7675
08-27-2010, 12:20 PM
I posted it earlier here, I think our selection of Leake over Strassburg was the right move. Pitchers like Strassburg have much more injury issues then pitchers like Leake do.

Pony Boy
08-27-2010, 12:24 PM
Wow. Tough break.

This is an interesting article comparing Strasburg to several pitchers who have had injury issues including Mark Prior:

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/ProfessionalPitcherAnalyses/StephenStrasburg.html

KOBasinger
08-27-2010, 12:25 PM
Tough for the Nats & Strasburg. Luckily, it's gonna take a few years for them to compete and he'll be back by then.

Pony Boy
08-27-2010, 12:31 PM
Dibble's comments on Strasburg were really dumb when he made them a couple days ago. Now that Strasburg is heading for surgery Dibble's comments have ascended to a special level of almost criminal dumbness. He should probably be fired.

Pony Boy
08-27-2010, 12:33 PM
I posted it earlier here, I think our selection of Leake over Strassburg was the right move. Pitchers like Strassburg have much more injury issues then pitchers like Leake do.

Well its not like the Reds had a choice between Strasburg and Leake.

Stray
08-27-2010, 12:36 PM
It's really sad to hear this news, but a lot of people knew it was coming.
His mechanics are flawed enough that the chances of this were high. The inverted W claims it's latest victim...

Maker_84
08-27-2010, 01:08 PM
I posted it earlier here, I think our selection of Leake over Strassburg was the right move. Pitchers like Strassburg have much more injury issues then pitchers like Leake do.

no

redsfan_12
08-27-2010, 01:08 PM
This definately isn't good for baseball

Kingspoint
08-27-2010, 01:13 PM
Wow.

They really coddled him, too.

As explained by those who've been to the Majors, the adrenalin level really increases when you're a Rookie, and it puts extra stress on the arm that you can't measure in innings pitched, pitch count, or anything else. You just end up over-throwing. I like the idea of giving Chapman only 1-inning relief opportunities because of this for his first experience in the bigs. Give a guy who throws as hard as he does 90 adrenalin-filled pitches every five days, and the possibility of what happened to Strasburg could happen to him.

arkimadee
08-27-2010, 01:18 PM
i wonder if they rushed him off the dl too quick like we did griffey in order to get that quick attendance increase boost... i feel bad for the Nats.. this is pretty much all they got going for them.

crazyjdawg
08-27-2010, 01:19 PM
What did Dibble say?


He told Strasburg to suck it up.

GIDP
08-27-2010, 01:35 PM
It was only a matter of time probably. Sucks for the nationals.

RedsFanInBama
08-27-2010, 02:07 PM
That's why they're the Nationals I guess.

RedsFanInBama
08-27-2010, 02:08 PM
Wow.

They really coddled him, too.

As explained by those who've been to the Majors, the adrenalin level really increases when your a Rookie, and it puts extra stress on the arm that you can't measure in innings pitched, pitch count, or anything else. You just end up over-throwing. I like the idea of giving Chapman only 1-inning relief opportunities because of this for his first experience in the bigs. Give a guy who throws as hard as he does 90 adrenalin-filled pitches every five days, and the possibility of what happened to Strasburg could happen to him.

I think it's more a result of flawed mechanics than too much adrenaline.

Captain13
08-27-2010, 02:13 PM
It MUST be Dusty's fault. Dusty is the "man-who-ruins-pitchers". Is it possible that a young pitcher got hurt, and Baker isn't to blame? ;)

Krawhitham
08-27-2010, 02:17 PM
i wonder if they rushed him off the dl too quick like we did griffey in order to get that quick attendance increase boost... i feel bad for the Nats.. this is pretty much all they got going for them.

They should have shut him down for the season after his 1st injury

sean
08-27-2010, 02:22 PM
He was on a 160 inning limit for the season and was coming close to reaching that point anyway. The Nationals were going to shut him down soon, it just didn't happen soon enough.

The fact that he's getting Tommy John doesn't really hurt baseball all that much. With this type of injury and the type of pitcher Stras is, there is a definite chance he comes back just as good, if not better.

The bigger concern is the shoulder pain he was feeling earlier on. Hopefully with him being off the mound and under the microscope, that issue will become moot.

GIDP
08-27-2010, 02:34 PM
Strasburg will earn MLB service time while on the DL.

Double boned for the nationals.

RedsFanInBama
08-27-2010, 02:36 PM
Strasburg will earn MLB service time while on the DL.

Double boned for the nationals.

LOL, hadn't even thought about that. He'll probably throw two good seasons for the Nats before he signs with the Yankees.

DaytonFlyer
08-27-2010, 02:36 PM
I wonder if ESPN will pick this story up? I haven't heard a peep yet...

RedsLvr
08-27-2010, 02:37 PM
I wonder if ESPN will pick this story up? I haven't heard a peep yet...

Umm, the story has been aired on ESPN like every 10 minutes for the past few hours.

GIDP
08-27-2010, 02:40 PM
I wonder if some idiot writer will still give him votes for ROY.

DaytonFlyer
08-27-2010, 02:42 PM
Umm, the story has been aired on ESPN like every 10 minutes for the past few hours.

Really? Wow, that's great.

Also, did anyone hear if LeBron James ever signed anywhere, that story got totally buried.

RedsLvr
08-27-2010, 02:52 PM
Really? Wow, that's great.

Also, did anyone hear if LeBron James ever signed anywhere, that story got totally buried.

I don't know, maybe you could ask anyone who lives in Ohio..

GIDP
08-27-2010, 02:52 PM
Who is LeBron James

ThornWithin81
08-27-2010, 02:59 PM
This is what happens when you pitch with an Inverted W motion. I feel bad for the kid - not so bad for the Nationals or their fanbase, particularly the latter. Where were all these Nationals fans before this kid came along? They showed their true colors when they showed up in droves to see him pitch and then proceeded to boo loudly and throw a fit when he was scratched for Batista a month ago.

It serves their bandwagon fanbase right for being more concerned with seeing him pitch than maintaining the kid's health.

Vottomatic
08-27-2010, 03:04 PM
Really? Wow, that's great.

Also, did anyone hear if LeBron James ever signed anywhere, that story got totally buried.

Did you hear that Brett Favre is going to retire again?

RedsLvr
08-27-2010, 03:05 PM
I bet you that the Nationals purposely didn't tell people that he was scratched so the fans would still come out...I'd boo too if I was there.

texasdave
08-27-2010, 03:12 PM
Rizzo said Strasburg arrived at Nationals Park on Monday hoping do some throwing. The Nationals, who have been extremely cautious with Strasburg's development, told him no. Strasburg has told the team he had a similar problem in college at San Diego State and pitched, err, "Dibbled" through it. He was the overall No. 1 pick in the 2009 draft.

When they bring these guys in for a physical I wonder how far they can go? Can they request shoulders and elbows be MRI'ed? This problem may have been in the making for awhile.

texasdave
08-27-2010, 03:13 PM
Did you hear that Brett Favre is going to retire again?

No, but I did hear a rumor about Tiger Woods splitting up with his wife and it might just be affecting his golf game.

texasdave
08-27-2010, 03:18 PM
Nationals may have really gotten sundecked on this one. Time will tell.

redsfanmia
08-27-2010, 04:50 PM
I posted it earlier here, I think our selection of Leake over Strassburg was the right move. Pitchers like Strassburg have much more injury issues then pitchers like Leake do.

Ummm Strasburg was the #1 pick, I dont think the Reds picked Leake over him.

bagz
08-27-2010, 05:17 PM
Big sad news. Tough break for him. I wish him the best on the road to recovery.

Reds
08-27-2010, 05:19 PM
Might not see this guy until March of 2012 now.

AintlifeGrande
08-27-2010, 06:05 PM
What a shame.Good thing though he got all that guaranteed money up front.

mlh1981
08-27-2010, 06:57 PM
Maybe now they can get rid of the Strasburg shirts that they inexplicably sell in the team shop in Great American Ballpark.

Jim
08-28-2010, 11:42 AM
Hopefully he fully recovers and is able to live up to the potential he seemingly has. I hate seeing the Reds play against him, but it's exciting to see guys with that much ability and talent grace the field. That being said, I hope that Leake has a better career! :thumbup:

757690
08-28-2010, 03:22 PM
This is why it is dumb to give draft picks such big contracts, and why Agents will always demand them.