8-28 Cubs/Reds

[rolenmvp]

hopefully arroyo can pitch a great game tonight and we can keep up this winning streak. :thumbup:

[rolenmvp]

Bruce 9
Valaika 4
Votto 3
Rolen 5
Gomes 7
Hanigan 2
Stubbs 7
Janish 6
Arroyo 1

[sivman17]

I like the lineup... Wells has only won 2 games in his last 21 starts. He's had a bad season. We need to knock him around.

[mu4103]

I like the lineup... Wells has only won 2 games in his last 21 starts. He's had a bad season. We need to knock him around.

Gomes is horrible against righties. He has had a couple of games with hits recently because he has been starting against lefties. Heisey should be given a chance to start against righties.

Batting:
Gomes against righties: 267 AB, 9 HR, .247 avg., .693 OPS
Heisey against righties: 63 AB, 4 HR, .371 avg., 1.112 OPS

Fielding:
Gomes: sucks
Heisey: good

Heisey has been struggling lately but Dusty sat him on the bench for a week after he had been crushing the ball. I think he lost his swing with all the crazy line-up changes after the Edmonds aquisition.

[takealeake]

I like the lineup... Wells has only won 2 games in his last 21 starts. He's had a bad season. We need to knock him around.

Hasn't Wells pitched "Well" against us in the past though? I seem to remember earlier this year he beat us, or shut us down at least. I can't remember exactly though. He's one of these annoying pitchers we've run into several times this year that can show up one night JUST against the Reds and pitch great.

[takealeake]

Wait, found the stats:

Wells is 1-1 with a 2.45 ERA in two starts this season against the Reds and is 3-1 with a 2.58 ERA in six career matchups.

:explode:

Just what I thought. Hope we can kick his ass tonight.

[Krawhitham]

Is Heisey still on the roster?

[sivman17]

Is Heisey still on the roster?

2 for his last 29

[takealeake]

ESPN has us as a 65 to 35% favorite, so hopefully they're right. I really don't want to see a junk pitcher like Wells shut us down again. Hopefully we can rock him early and often.

[bagz]

Is Heisey still on the roster?

If he is I wish Dusty would play him over Gomes.:pray:

[takealeake]

Lets get in on baby!

[bagz]

Batting order similiar to last night. It sure worked well last night!
And here we go!

[takealeake]

With some of the stats said by Thom and Cowboy there, it's amazing how people could keep saying Arroyo is not worth the option next season. Boggles the mind. Guy is as solid as it gets and a huge inning eater.

[bagz]

Sure is.:thumbup:

[bagz]

That was a foul ball.

[rolenmvp]

arroyo seems to have his stuff tonight.

[bagz]

He looks pretty good. Nice quick inning.

[takealeake]

Lets rock Wells here from the siztart.

[Reds]

Bronson looked like he has good command tonight.

[rolenmvp]

leadoff walk to bruce..

[bagz]

Yeah Baby!

[takealeake]

Nice hustle slide by Bruce to prevent the DP.

[rolenmvp]

end of 1. no score.

[rolenmvp]

has anybody noticed that bruce is being patient in the leadoff spot compared to his normal spot.

[knoonan991]

has anybody noticed that bruce is being patient in the leadoff spot compared to his normal spot.

Yep, I think it has contributed to his success thus far.

[bagz]

Yeah I'm sure he realizes it's a different role then batting lower in order.

[takealeake]

Crap.

[Reds]

1-0 mid 2.

[Reds]

1-0 end 2.

[knoonan991]

Although Stubbs K'd, he had a nice long AB against Wells. I'm ok with that.

[takealeake]

Getting shut down by Randy freakin' Wells again. This is pathetic.

[takealeake]

LOL throw Fukudome out.

[FlyerFanatic]

randy wells must be some type of ace, we cant hit the ball past aramis ramirez?

the offense can just look dreadful at times

[Reds]

wash leads 4-3

[bagz]

We'll get to him soon.

[knoonan991]

We'll get to him soon.

Second time through, the Reds seem to do a lot better.

[rolenmvp]

nationals up 5-3, end of 3.

[Reds]

GONE

[FlyerFanatic]

MVP MVP MVP

[sivman17]

he is so good

[rolenmvp]

VOTTOOOOOO

[bagz]

MVP MVP MVP

:beerme:

[rolenmvp]

full count on rolen...

[Reds]

nice long AB

[rolenmvp]

good patience rolen..come on gomes!!!!

[rolenmvp]

wells at 60 pitches...

[rolenmvp]

come on gomes..be patient here.

[rolenmvp]

gomes does not need to be in the lineup.

[HalMorrisRules]

I am so sick of that kid hiding in that van in that Chrysler commercial

[bagz]

DP Please

[FlyerFanatic]

always seems like we score and then give up at least a run the very next inning

[mlh1981]

Nice batflip, Fukodome :rolleyes:

[bagz]

Sundeck Fukodome

[moewan]

jay bruce is not a goldglover. i want brantley's car

[Vottomatic]

5-5 Cards/Nats

[FlyerFanatic]

wells shutting us down again...

[rolenmvp]

8-5 nats. dunn hits a 3 run homerun.

[bagz]

8-5 nats. dunn hits a 3 run homerun.

Yes!!! The Dunner comes through!!!

[rolenmvp]

even if nats win and we lose, we lose zero ground.

[rolenmvp]

alright we need some runs...nationals are winning.

[takealeake]

Not a Votto esque AB there. Man i'm sick of Wells freaking shutting us down. You think at some point we would adapt and rock him.

[rolenmvp]

nice hit there..

[rolenmvp]

3-2 cubs now...

[knoonan991]

Other than Votto, I think Hanigan is the guy I most want up with RISP. He just seems to find the gaps with runners on.

[rolenmvp]

gomes almost got picked off...

[takealeake]

Comeon guys, lets drive two in here and take this lead.

[takealeake]

Crap. Comeon Stubbs you gotta do better than that dude.

[rolenmvp]

stubbs can't get it done...

[takealeake]

Horrible.

[rolenmvp]

we waste a chance to tie it.

[knoonan991]

Chippin' away. Down by one with the Cubs bullpen looming. I like our odds.

[Reds]

let's score a few and get Bronson a W.

[Vottomatic]

Nats up 8-5, top 7th.

2 on, 1 out, Lopez up to bat........Poopholes on deck.

[Vottomatic]

Lopez flies out. Pujols lines out. Middle of 7th, Nat 8-5.

[George Foster]

breaking ball = Bruce strikeout....always

[Reds]

let's go MVP

[Vottomatic]

breaking ball = Bruce strikeout....always

Inside breaking ball.

[FlyerFanatic]

terrible call, not even close to going around on that swing

[HalMorrisRules]

that wasnt even a questionable check swing. no way was that a strike

[Reds]

end 7. 3-2 Cubs lead.

[mrherd05]

His early season attitude and babylike antics just cost us having two guys on with Rolen up.

Thanks Joe

[Redeye fly]

Thank you third base umpire for having your mind on where you can go in Cincinnati after the game, instead of focusing on making the correct call.:thumbdown

[FlyerFanatic]

Thank you third base umpire for having your mind on where you can go in Cincinnati after the game, instead of focusing on making the correct call.:thumbdown

seriously, i bet that ump was thinking ho hum, here comes a fastball...no need to worry about a check swing. unreal

[Reds]

just a dreadful call.

[GIDP]

That was a great call by the 3rd base ump. Of course I'm kidding, and really mean it was as brutal as I have seen in a while.

[George Foster]

His early season attitude and babylike antics just cost us having two guys on with Rolen up.

Thanks Joe

I hate to say it, but when you have a reputation of cherping at umps...you don't get the benefit of the doubt...

[Redeye fly]

I hate to say it, but when you have a reputation of cherping at umps...you don't get the benefit of the doubt...

I hate to say it, but there was no "benefit of the doubt" on that. It wasn't even borderline. The umpire just blew it.

[mrherd05]

Thats what I was meaning. He has been rung up a handful of times here recently on check swings.

[GIDP]

If that is true then Umpires should probably be replaced by robots since they are children and hold grudges on people they wish they were.

[sivman17]

There's no excuse for that call. Horrible.

[George Foster]

I hate to say it, but there was no "benefit of the doubt" on that. It wasn't even borderline. The umpire just blew it.

Then Berry the 3rd base coach should of protested A LOT more than he did...that's his job.

[knoonan991]

Then Berry the 3rd base coach should of protested A LOT more than he did...that's his job.

Berry is a joke of a 3rd base coach as it is.

[George Foster]

Berry is a joke of a 3rd base coach as it is.

I agree.. he's got naked pictures of Baker or something..

[Redeye fly]

If that is true then Umpires should probably be replaced by robots since they are children and hold grudges on people they wish they were.

I'll admit that they probably do let their human emotions and bias get in the way. I mean, how many times do you think NBA officials kind of "looked the other way" if Jordan was close to traveling, or Lebron James is close today?

That said, I almost think some posters here act like Votto's the only guy in the league who's ever complained about balls and strikes.

[knoonan991]

I agree.. he's got naked pictures of Baker or something..

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

Here's a common reaction after a sent/held runner by Berry: :bang:

[Vottomatic]

Cards go down easy in top of 8th. 8-5 Nats.

Dunn helping the Reds with his 3 run bomb in the 5th to make it 8-5.

Starling Castro with 3 K's today.

[George Foster]

Cards go down easy in top of 8th. 8-5 Nats.

Dunn helping the Reds with his 3 run bomb in the 5th to make it 8-5.

Starling Castro with 3 K's today.

Is it possible to throw that hard and not have your arm blow out? I think he's a time bomb.

[Redeye fly]

Then Berry the 3rd base coach should of protested A LOT more than he did...that's his job.

I honestly don't know if I have ever seen a base coach protest a check swing... ever.

Plays at the base itself, yes.

Not saying it hasn't happened, but I've never seen it.

[Vottomatic]

Dunn walks to open the bottom of the 8th.

[takealeake]

This sucks.

[Redeye fly]

Hard to say what will happen in the 9th. Marmol will come in I'm sure, and he's a ticking time bomb. But much like Randy Wells, he struggles against other teams but seems to handle the Reds.

[mlh1981]

Not our day offensively.

Of course, if we hold em' here, all it takes is a bloop and a bomb.

[Vottomatic]

Janish will walk and Heisey will get the pinch hit walk off HR.

[George Foster]

I honestly don't know if I have ever seen a base coach protest a check swing... ever.

Plays at the base itself, yes.

Not saying it hasn't happened, but I've never seen it.

Well if any member of the Reds had a good few of the swing in was Berry. You have to protect your best player in that situation and argue...it might help a call tomorrow.

Bobby Knight said that he knew he could not change a call by yelling at the refs but he said that it was human nature to not want to be yelled at. That the ref later in the game, would call a close play his way even subconsiously, because he did not want to get reemed out in front of everyone again.

[Vottomatic]

Bottom of 8th: Nats, first and third, no outs. Pudge up to bat.

[Reds]

9-5 nats lead with bases loaded.

[Redeye fly]

Well if any member of the Reds had a good few of the swing in was Berry. You have to protect your best player in that situation and argue...it might help a call tomorrow.

Bobby Knight said that he knew he could not change a call by yelling at the refs but he said that it was human nature to not want to be yelled at. That the ref later in the game, would call a close play his way even subconsiously, because he did not want to get reemed out in front of everyone again.

I don't necessarily disagree. It's just, as I said, from my memory I've never seen it. Whether it's Mark Berry, Billy Hatcher, a good base coach or a bad base coach, I can't recall ever seeing it. Of course, then again most calls are closer than that one was.

[George Foster]

I don't necessarily disagree. It's just, as I said, from my memory I've never seen it. Whether it's Mark Berry, Billy Hatcher, a good base coach or a bad base coach, I can't recall ever seeing it. Of course, then again most calls are closer than that one was.

that was my point...it was a real bad call. You got to give him hell over that. That's your job.

[mlh1981]

Here's hoping for another memory.......

[Redeye fly]

9-5 nats lead with bases loaded.

Really suck if we can't go 5 games up. Of course, holding at 4 is better than sliding down to just a 3 game lead.

Hopefully Stubbs or someone can get into one in the 9th. I like Vottomatic's prediction of a Heisey PH homer to win it.

[George Foster]

Here's hoping for another memory.......

it will be a memory either way...I just hope it's a good one...;)

[mlh1981]

jesus..................

[Redeye fly]

How the hell do you jump at the first pitch thrown by Marmol?

[George Foster]

Stubbs is a head case batting...he really is.

[mlh1981]

nice at bat this far......

[George Foster]

Does Heisey start tomorrow...I mean really.

[mlh1981]

last chance.

Bloop and a bomb please?

[takealeake]

Pathetic outing with a chance to go up 5 in the division.

[George Foster]

Just real good Cubs pitching...hats off. Arroyo pitched good too. It is what it is.

[rolenmvp]

wasted a good night tonight.

[sivman17]

Not too upset with this loss to be honest. Arroyo is still playing well. Just didn't have it.

[rolenmvp]

hey??? at least we will still be up 4 games. anytime cardinals dont gain ground on us it helps.

[George Foster]

Not too upset with this loss to be honest. Arroyo is still playing well. Just didn't have it.

He pitched well enought to win...he did have it. You can't pitch shutouts every time out. You won't win alot of games scoring 2 runs.

[rolenmvp]

I'm really not too upset with this loss. we just did't bring it tonight, we can still win the series tomorrow against a young pitcher. still 4 games up. :thumbup:

[George Foster]

hey??? at least we will still be up 4 games. anytime cardinals dont gain ground on us it helps.

Exactly right. It's the samething as a Reds win and a Cards win. Still 4 up.

[knoonan991]

Not too upset with this loss to be honest. Arroyo is still playing well. Just didn't have it.

Exactly, for some reason we expect sweeps of every team, and that's just unrealistic. As long as the Reds keep taking 2 of 3 they are in great shape.

It's not like we lost an opportunity to catch someone, we are being chased.

[GIDP]

Cant win them all. I just wish they would come up with something to do against Randy Wells. I dont know why hes such a match up problem for the Reds.

[Jim]

Bah.... I still hate losing to the Cubs. I live around too many Cubs fans.

[Vottomatic]

Wasted opportunity. Period. You lose by 1 run with this offense and against Randy Wells, there's just no excuse for that.

Stubbs first pitch swing against Marmol was really infuriating.
Votto got screwed on that check swing.
First and second in like the 6th or 7th, can't remember and we go down with a whimper after getting 1 run.

Disappointing. Should be 5 games up as the Cards continue to fade.

[Votto4MVP]

Cant win them all. I just wish they would come up with something to do against Randy Wells. I dont know why hes such a match up problem for the Reds.

I think sometimes it just comes down to confidence...he knows hes pitched well against us in the past so he comes out ready and confident he can throw strikes and beat us. Trusts his pitches and his spots. Not trying to make a perfect pitch every time. Sometimes confidence can go a long way.

[NeilHamburger]

Every game from here on out where the Reds either gain or don't lose ground is essentially a victory. So I'm not too upset.

[757690]

Jeff Pico
Shawn Boskie
Drew Hall
Randy Wells

It seems mediocre Cubs pitchers have had the Reds number for decades. I've gotten to the point of expecting it.