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SidneySlicker
09-02-2010, 10:03 AM
I get chills thinking about it. According to Walt Jockety last night this is still the plan of the organization. I have a couple of questions reguarding this. He really only has 2 pitches right now. I think even with his stuff he needs a 3rd. Also he'll have pitched the last 3 months of the season out of the pen, is arm strength gonna be a problem? Which brings me to this. Does the Missile start out in triple A or does he start out in the Cincy rotation despit these factors?

DaytonFlyer
09-02-2010, 10:13 AM
He definitely needs a 3rd pitch if he is going to start.

KOBasinger
09-02-2010, 10:15 AM
He definitely needs a 3rd pitch if he is going to start.

He has a fastball,slider and changeup.

crazyjdawg
09-02-2010, 10:19 AM
He has a fastball,slider and changeup.

He had a changeup at the beginning of the year.

I haven't seen one from him in his 2 appearances.

And to be honest, it was a pretty bad to average changeup.

mlh1981
09-02-2010, 10:24 AM
Follow the David Price plan.

Captain13
09-02-2010, 10:26 AM
In Louisville, it appeared he was throwing 4 pitches when he started. A superb fastball, clocking 98-101. A decent slider at 83-86. A bad changeup at 88-92 (hitters treated it like a batting practice fastball), and a slow curve that hitters feasted on. I watched him struggle with control of all 4 pitches and get beat like a drum in one of his last starts. If he can master either one of those other two pitches, he will be unhittable at any level.

PhillipsHead
09-02-2010, 11:19 AM
Randy Johnson only had two pitches...that worked out pretty good for him.

And his slider looks eerily close to Johnson's...

Wiggidy
09-02-2010, 11:27 AM
Yeah, he only needs that fastball and slider.

Orodle
09-02-2010, 11:28 AM
Randy Johnson pretty much had two pitches most of his career so no doubt Chapman could do it. Johnson did add a 2 seamer later in his career though.

ThornWithin81
09-02-2010, 11:41 AM
You don't need three or more pitches when you have a fastball that breaks radar guns and a slider that hooks 90 degrees near the plate.

Pitchers add pitches to their arsenal to deceive hitters via multiple looks. A guy who throws a 92mph fastball with little movement needs four or five pitches to keep hitters guessing. Otherwise they can sit on that fastball and crush it. Chapman's fastball is so blazing fast that hitters have to get started extra early. When the expected fastball turns out to be the hook... sit down, you're committed.

He's thrown two innings and no one has made solid contact on anything. Strikeouts and easy choppers to infielders. No worries, yet. I think he could start with just his current arsenal.

EddieMilner
09-02-2010, 11:47 AM
You don't need three or more pitches when you have a fastball that breaks radar guns and a slider that hooks 90 degrees near the plate.

...and if you are a southpaw.

He definitely is capable of starting if he can average a 99 mph + fastball for 7 innings, but that really is the question. He is able to go all out for an inning, but what kind of stamina can he have over a longer outing?

For his career it would be best to add another above average pitch, as I know I'm only 30 and my body can't do what it could 8 years ago. Also that 3rd pitch would help tremendously in early season outings when its a little colder and your arm isn't as loose and the gun sits at 97 mph or so.

Pony Boy
09-02-2010, 12:08 PM
This is a pretty fun read on Chapman's 2nd outing:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/top-posts/after-hitting-1027-mph-in-debut-aroldis-chapman-throws-1039-mph-in-second-appearance.php

GIDP
09-02-2010, 12:10 PM
He could probably be a good pitcher even with his 2 pitches right now. Most pitchers only throw their 3rd pitch something like 5% of the time, and at most 10%.

Captain13
09-02-2010, 12:14 PM
He could probably be a good pitcher even with his 2 pitches right now. Most pitchers only throw their 3rd pitch something like 5% of the time, and at most 10%.

Very good point. Even Bronson throws his "fast"ball more than half the time. As I said on another thread, I haven't been this excited about a young Red since Larkin. :D

GIDP
09-02-2010, 12:33 PM
It all depends on how good the 2 pitches are. Plus plus fastballs and sliders are going to be better than a pitcher with 4 average pitches.

ThornWithin81
09-02-2010, 12:40 PM
It all depends on how good the 2 pitches are. Plus plus fastballs and sliders are going to be better than a pitcher with 4 average pitches.

Exactly. I feel like we need a new name for Chapman's slider. We already have the 12-6 Curveball. How about the 10-4 Slider? :D

GIDP
09-02-2010, 12:42 PM
I call it a "haha" slider.

webbbj
09-02-2010, 12:48 PM
his fastball is lights out but its very straight i think he could also work on getting movement on his fast ball. maybe develop a cut fastball.

bigredmechanism
09-02-2010, 01:19 PM
Very good point. Even Bronson throws his "fast"ball more than half the time. As I said on another thread, I haven't been this excited about a young Red since Larkin. :D

Heck I haven't been this excited about a young Red since Votto. :cool:

New York Red
09-02-2010, 02:33 PM
You don't need three or more pitches when you have a fastball that breaks radar guns and a slider that hooks 90 degrees near the plate.
Amen! What this kid needs most right now is experience. He's only pitched two innings. In time he'll likely add more to his arsenal, but lets see what he can do with the two nasty pitches he has first. I'm just going to enjoy watching him as he is now, and worry about the future in the future.

corwinator3407
09-02-2010, 02:43 PM
I call it a "haha" slider.

Might as well be, cause that's what I was doing last night when those guys were trying to swing at it.

I posed this question at someone to work today, and it fits here also - WHEN he does become a starter, what do you expect his fastball to be consistently through the game? 98? 99?

mckbearcat48
09-02-2010, 02:47 PM
Randy Johnson also threw a split later in his career. That would be a pretty easy pitch for Chapman to throw.

GIDP
09-02-2010, 04:04 PM
Might as well be, cause that's what I was doing last night when those guys were trying to swing at it.

I posed this question at someone to work today, and it fits here also - WHEN he does become a starter, what do you expect his fastball to be consistently through the game? 98? 99?

His ability as a starter has everything to do with his control imo. If he controls a 100 MPH fastball he will throw a 100MPH fastball.

MikeThierry
09-02-2010, 08:51 PM
Wouldn't he be awesome as a lights out closer when Coco leaves? The Reds seem to have a great nucleus of young pitchers and if you have Chapman coming in during the 9th, just forget trying to come back. I would much rather have the Cards face a rotation with Chapman in it but a back end that might not be the steadiest in the world rather than a starting rotation of young good pitchers and a lights out closer.

AintlifeGrande
09-02-2010, 09:43 PM
Randy Johnson pretty much had two pitches most of his career so no doubt Chapman could do it. Johnson did add a 2 seamer later in his career though.



Do you still believe in your Fire Dusty sig?

IndyReds1977
09-02-2010, 10:00 PM
I call it a "haha" slider.

Maybe a "sit down" slider?

R_Webb18
09-02-2010, 11:30 PM
if he becomes a starter how would innings per year work for him? Would he have a limit? If so does that mean mean hes 2 years away as a starter?

Seņor Rojo
09-03-2010, 02:38 AM
An off season's worth of work with Bryan Price will help to develop Chapman into a bona fide ace, which is what this team currently lacks.

Parliament
09-03-2010, 09:30 AM
Randy Johnson pretty much had two pitches most of his career so no doubt Chapman could do it. Johnson did add a 2 seamer later in his career though.

Maybe about time to change your fire dusty signature?

Quatitos
09-03-2010, 10:07 AM
if he becomes a starter how would innings per year work for him? Would he have a limit? If so does that mean mean hes 2 years away as a starter?I would assume he would do some winter ball to get some more innings in so that he ends up in the 150-160 range which I think was his target for this year before he was sent to the bullpen.

krm1580
09-03-2010, 11:36 AM
There was this are article from spring training from Peter Gammons where he was talking about seeing a perfect changeup from Chapman. Granted it was early and his mechanics have changed some and it does not say anything about consistency, but it does leave me with the impression he could learn the change.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100325&content_id=8924324&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb