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SirFelixCat
09-03-2010, 10:24 PM
Which, imo, would be a non-out.:thumbup:

Grrrr. Thought he hit that more solid than that.

_Sir_Charles_
09-03-2010, 10:24 PM
Sharp liner. Poorly placed.

SirFelixCat
09-03-2010, 10:24 PM
MAN-igan's turn!

NJReds
09-03-2010, 10:24 PM
Like to see a repeat of the other night here.

_Sir_Charles_
09-03-2010, 10:25 PM
Man up Ryan! Manigan! Manigan!

SirFelixCat
09-03-2010, 10:26 PM
Showing good patience here...ahead 2-1.

WVRedsFan
09-03-2010, 10:28 PM
Ball three...er, strike 2

NJReds
09-03-2010, 10:28 PM
crud

SirFelixCat
09-03-2010, 10:28 PM
*sigh*

_Sir_Charles_
09-03-2010, 10:28 PM
Darn.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2010, 10:28 PM
Hanigan grounds into a 6-4 FC. 3-2 Cards mid 8th.

reds44
09-03-2010, 10:28 PM
Swung at ball 3 and then grounds out weekly.

Caveat Emperor
09-03-2010, 10:28 PM
Reds have missed a lot of opportunities in this game.

kbrake
09-03-2010, 10:29 PM
Its Ryan Franklin still have a shot.

REDSEER
09-03-2010, 10:29 PM
And we have 7-8-9 for the ninth. I'm hoping for some Francisco/Alonso magic.

Brutus
09-03-2010, 10:29 PM
Reds have missed a lot of opportunities in this game.

I'm still coming back to that bunt with no outs and a runner at second. The game won't be all the fault of Dusty's, but that was a very questionable decision (at best).

edabbs44
09-03-2010, 10:29 PM
Its Ryan Franklin still have a shot.

Very true. And worst case is the Reds are up 7 games on Sept 4th.

_Sir_Charles_
09-03-2010, 10:29 PM
Reds have missed a lot of opportunities in this game.

Building up the hope for Cards fans....just to make the disappointment that much sweeter. :cool:

WVRedsFan
09-03-2010, 10:30 PM
I don't think we're going to like the result
of this game one little bit.

reds44
09-03-2010, 10:30 PM
0-5 with RISP

kbrake
09-03-2010, 10:30 PM
Very true. And worst case is the Reds are up 7 games on Sept 4th.

Yep it will be depressing to let this one get away but between a 7 game lead and alcohol we should manage.

WVRedsFan
09-03-2010, 10:30 PM
I'm still coming back to that bunt with no outs and a runner at second. The game won't be all the fault of Dusty's, but that was a very questionable decision (at best).Agreed on this, but also Gomes' overzealous running was also just as damaging.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2010, 10:31 PM
Rhodes in to pitch

Griffey012
09-03-2010, 10:31 PM
Francisco, Alonso, Bruce for the 9th....one of them will drop a bomb

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2010, 10:31 PM
Miles hitting for Schumaker

edabbs44
09-03-2010, 10:31 PM
I'm still coming back to that bunt with no outs and a runner at second. The game won't be all the fault of Dusty's, but that was a very questionable decision (at best).

Janish got his hit for the series. Bunting makes sense there. If anything, it is on Janish for failing again on a bunt.

By the way, Cairo's stats this year with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 out:

9 PA, 3-6 with 9 RBI.

_Sir_Charles_
09-03-2010, 10:31 PM
Francisco, Alonso, Bruce for the 9th....one of them will drop a bomb

Let's hope it's not of the "F" variety.

Brutus
09-03-2010, 10:32 PM
Agreed on this, but also Gomes' overzealous running was also just as damaging.

At least that was being aggressive and not passive. That's what this team is about, which is precisely why I don't like intentionally giving up an out.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2010, 10:32 PM
Miles strikes out swiging.

NJReds
09-03-2010, 10:32 PM
Rhodes still looks hurt to me.

corkedbat
09-03-2010, 10:32 PM
Are Yonder and Bruce the only lefties on the 25-man besides Votto?

reds44
09-03-2010, 10:32 PM
I don't understand blaming that on Dusty. Janish failed to get the bunt down, and then struck out.

That's all on him.

guttle11
09-03-2010, 10:32 PM
Let's hope it's not of the "F" variety.

As long as one of them hits a HR, he can say whatever he wants as far as I'm concerned.

reds44
09-03-2010, 10:32 PM
Rhodes still looks hurt to me.
He's been hurt all season.

WVRedsFan
09-03-2010, 10:32 PM
Miles strikes out swiging.

Moonshine? :D

edabbs44
09-03-2010, 10:32 PM
Agreed on this, but also Gomes' overzealous running was also just as damaging.

Come on. It's Dusty's fault. It's Gomes fault. Thankfully no one can pin this one on Cabrera since he isn't playing.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2010, 10:33 PM
Jay bunts into a popout at 2nd.

Caveat Emperor
09-03-2010, 10:33 PM
I don't understand blaming that on Dusty. Janish failed to get the bunt down, and then struck out.

That's all on him.

Yeah, on a team that will go longs stretches having difficulty making good contact, I can't fault a manager for playing to get a runner to 3rd with less than 2 outs.

SirFelixCat
09-03-2010, 10:33 PM
Don't see that often...a bunt caught by the 2nd baseman

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2010, 10:33 PM
Double switch.

WVRedsFan
09-03-2010, 10:33 PM
Come on. It's Dusty's fault. It's Gomes fault. Thankfully no one can pin this one on Cabrera since he isn't playing.Oh wait. You're wrong. It's OCab's fault because he wasn't playing.

_Sir_Charles_
09-03-2010, 10:33 PM
Double switch. Masset coming in.

Good job by Arthur.

REDSEER
09-03-2010, 10:34 PM
Double switch. You don't think Dusty will send up Heisey/Janish/Hernandez with so much power on the bench....?

Brutus
09-03-2010, 10:34 PM
Janish got his hit for the series. Bunting makes sense there. If anything, it is on Janish for failing again on a bunt.

By the way, Cairo's stats this year with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 out:

9 PA, 3-6 with 9 RBI.

Just another attempt to minimalize Janish.

He's responsible for one of the two runs tonight, and you bunt him? Just don't see logic in that.

If Cairo is so good with a runner at third, he's probably equally good with a runner at second. So why give up an out when you have pretty good odds of getting him in from second?

You don't give up outs when you already have a runner in scoring position with nobody gone. It's one thing if the pitcher is up early in the game. But that wasn't the case.

mbgrayson
09-03-2010, 10:34 PM
Come on. It's Dusty's fault. It's Gomes fault. Thankfully no one can pin this one on Cabrera since he isn't playing.

I think it's Cabrerra's fault, since he isn't playing.

Griffey012
09-03-2010, 10:35 PM
Oh wait. You're wrong. It's OCab's fault because he wasn't playing.

That's true, if OC wasn't milking injury he would be in the game and would have gotten the bunt down. :beerme:

Phhhl
09-03-2010, 10:35 PM
Tonight was 'the Reds best matchup in this series. They really need to try and find a way to pull this one out.

_Sir_Charles_
09-03-2010, 10:35 PM
Razor in as well.

Griffey012
09-03-2010, 10:36 PM
Just another attempt to minimalize Janish.

He's responsible for one of the two runs tonight, and you bunt him? Just don't see logic in that.

If Cairo is so good with a runner at third, he's probably equally good with a runner at second. So why give up an out when you have pretty good odds of getting him in from second?

You don't give up outs when you already have a runner in scoring position with nobody gone. It's one thing if the pitcher is up early in the game. But that wasn't the case.

Then we have Cairo for the squeeze, momentum swing, game changer, and the most exciting play in baseball.

BCubb2003
09-03-2010, 10:36 PM
It's the classic small ball argument, isn't it? If sacrifice bunts worked often enough to be a good idea, they wouldn't be called giving away outs.

Brutus
09-03-2010, 10:36 PM
I don't understand blaming that on Dusty. Janish failed to get the bunt down, and then struck out.

That's all on him.

Regardless of whether or not Janish succeeded, it was Dusty's decision to give up the out. That's all on Dusty.

Janish is to be partially at blame for the Reds not scoring... but it was Dusty who decided they would hand an out over to the Cardinals.

edabbs44
09-03-2010, 10:36 PM
Just another attempt to minimalize Janish.

He's responsible for one of the two runs tonight, and you bunt him? Just don't see logic in that.

If Cairo is so good with a runner at third, he's probably equally good with a runner at second. So why give up an out when you have pretty good odds of getting him in from second?

You don't give up outs when you already have a runner in scoring position with nobody gone. It's one thing if the pitcher is up early in the game. But that wasn't the case.

Get the bunt down. That's all we ask. It is a fundamental part of the game. If he gets the guy over and then the run doesn't get in, maybe I hear the complaint. But at least get the bunt down.

Cedric
09-03-2010, 10:37 PM
Got home 3 innings ago. Has this umpire been this inconsistent all game? He is bad.

corkedbat
09-03-2010, 10:37 PM
that was a Cardinal strike - guess the ump just doesn't want to hear them piss and moan

reds44
09-03-2010, 10:37 PM
Heisey-Janish-Hernandez due up.

I'd let Heisey hit then use JF for Janish.

Brutus
09-03-2010, 10:38 PM
Get the bunt down. That's all we ask. It is a fundamental part of the game. If he gets the guy over and then the run doesn't get in, maybe I hear the complaint. But at least get the bunt down.

That has nothing to do with the point. I am against giving up an out there no matter whether it works or not. The Reds were playing for giving the Cardinals a charity out. I don't like that with a runner at second and nobody out.

That he didn't get the runner over is just insult to injury. But I hate the philosophy late in the game when you're trailing. Hate it.

_Sir_Charles_
09-03-2010, 10:38 PM
fly out to Heisey.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2010, 10:38 PM
Pujols flies out to right. 3-2 Cards after 8.

SirFelixCat
09-03-2010, 10:38 PM
GJ, Nick...now get it done, offense!

kaldaniels
09-03-2010, 10:38 PM
Pop fly?

REDSEER
09-03-2010, 10:39 PM
Hoping for Alonso versus Franklin in Janish's place. Franklin isn't overpowering and Alonso is a very good hitter. Look at his numbers from July/August.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2010, 10:39 PM
Heisey, Janish and Hernandez due up

alloverjr
09-03-2010, 10:39 PM
Hoping for Alonso versus Franklin in Janish's place. Franklin isn't overpowering and Alonso is a very good hitter. Look at his numbers from July/August.

Like this idea

Brutus
09-03-2010, 10:39 PM
BTW, this game is over with. Said so earlier.

:cool:

corkedbat
09-03-2010, 10:39 PM
Got home 3 innings ago. Has this umpire been this inconsistent all game? He is bad.

Been pretty consistent actually. Anything close is a strike fora Cards pitcher and a ball for a Red

BCubb2003
09-03-2010, 10:39 PM
There's always the Wild Card.

edabbs44
09-03-2010, 10:40 PM
That has nothing to do with the point. I am against giving up an out there no matter whether it works or not. The Reds were playing for giving the Cardinals a charity out. I don't like that with a runner at second and nobody out.

That he didn't get the runner over is just insult to injury. But I hate the philosophy late in the game when you're trailing. Hate it.

With Janish up and the PH/Stubbs/BP combo behind him, I like my chances with the PH and a runner on 3rd with 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2010, 10:40 PM
Franklin in to pitch, Miles stays in at 2nd.

dsmith421
09-03-2010, 10:40 PM
Remember when Ryan Franklin played for the Reds and choked away basically every game he pitched during the "pennant race" of 2006?

WVRedsFan
09-03-2010, 10:40 PM
I can see this team losing all three games of this series. I really can. It's up to this offense to produce, something they haven't done in the last 4 tries against the Cardinals.

kaldaniels
09-03-2010, 10:40 PM
Franklin is not good...remember that.

Griffey012
09-03-2010, 10:41 PM
Remember when Ryan Franklin played for the Reds and choked away basically every game he pitched during the "pennant race" of 2006?

Who is Ryan Franklin?

kaldaniels
09-03-2010, 10:41 PM
I can see this team losing all three games of this series. I really can. It's up to this offense to produce, something they haven't done in the last 4 tries against the Cardinals.

Right on cue...well done WV.

Caveat Emperor
09-03-2010, 10:41 PM
They're just giving the game away if they bat Heisey & Janish.

edabbs44
09-03-2010, 10:41 PM
Heisey does much better vs relievers for some reason.

mbgrayson
09-03-2010, 10:41 PM
With Janish up and the PH/Stubbs/BP combo behind him, I like my chances with the PH and a runner on 3rd with 1 out.

But you're playing for one run, early in the game, on the road. It could be a big inning if you don't give away outs.

Griffey012
09-03-2010, 10:41 PM
But you're playing for one run, early in the game, on the road. It could be a big inning if you don't give away outs.

It was the 7th inning, it wasn't early.

Caveat Emperor
09-03-2010, 10:42 PM
But you're playing for one run, early in the game, on the road. It could be a big inning if you don't give away outs.

Jaime Garcia doesn't give up a lot of big innings.

edabbs44
09-03-2010, 10:42 PM
But you're playing for one run, early in the game, on the road. It could be a big inning if you don't give away outs.

With Janish/pitcher/Stubbs/BP coming up? Not liking the chances of a big inning there.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2010, 10:42 PM
Heisey fouls out to 1st.

reds44
09-03-2010, 10:42 PM
The 2-0 pitch was low.

_Sir_Charles_
09-03-2010, 10:42 PM
Francisco up

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2010, 10:42 PM
Francisco hitting for Janish

SirFelixCat
09-03-2010, 10:42 PM
Any non-out here, please.

Griffey012
09-03-2010, 10:42 PM
Who swings harder, Juan-F or Gomes?

WVRedsFan
09-03-2010, 10:43 PM
Right on cue...well done WV.Sorry. We are going to win this game. I can feel it. I know it. It's going to be a walk off homerun by Francisco. Yeah!!! that's the ticket!!!!

You satisfied?

I'm outa here.

SirFelixCat
09-03-2010, 10:43 PM
:lol:

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2010, 10:43 PM
Francisco fouls out to 3rd. 2 outs.

_Sir_Charles_
09-03-2010, 10:43 PM
Wow. What a catch.

reds44
09-03-2010, 10:43 PM
Two foul outs to start the inning. Goodness.

alloverjr
09-03-2010, 10:44 PM
Cards own the Reds. Better pitching and I think they just get in their heads. Plus they are a + .500 club.

dsmith421
09-03-2010, 10:44 PM
Really? Ramon Hernandez? You don't want to put up someone who can hit a HR here?

Brutus
09-03-2010, 10:44 PM
Can't beat the Cardinals. Kind of laughable how they look like a deer in the headlights.

edabbs44
09-03-2010, 10:44 PM
Really? Ramon Hernandez? You don't want to put up someone who can hit a HR here?

He's already in the game. And he has been very good this year.

SirFelixCat
09-03-2010, 10:44 PM
8 games up coming into the game and the Reds are horrible? Wow, I guess I expect too much from people around here.

reds44
09-03-2010, 10:45 PM
Oh noes we're only 7 games ahead of them now.

Griffey012
09-03-2010, 10:45 PM
Really? Ramon Hernandez? You don't want to put up someone who can hit a HR here?

Ramon gets on base at a pretty high clip, especially in these situations. Nothing wrong with it.

edabbs44
09-03-2010, 10:45 PM
Can't beat the Cardinals. Kind of laughable how they look like a deer in the headlights.

Yeah, mindboggling. But it is what it is I guess.

WVRedsFan
09-03-2010, 10:45 PM
Can't beat the Cardinals. Kind of laughable how they look like a deer in the headlights.Oh no. we're going to win. I can feel it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Caveat Emperor
09-03-2010, 10:45 PM
Can't beat the Cardinals. Kind of laughable how they look like a deer in the headlights.

Yeah -- the Cardinals are just inside the Reds head a little bit. It happens when you spend a decade chasing them around.

_Sir_Charles_
09-03-2010, 10:45 PM
The over-reactions and the complaining is not only sad but depressing in it's own right.

reds44
09-03-2010, 10:45 PM
This zone is gigantic.

SirFelixCat
09-03-2010, 10:45 PM
The over-reactions and the depression is not only sad but depressing in it's own right.

:sadlytrue:

dsmith421
09-03-2010, 10:46 PM
Worst call yet.

Griffey012
09-03-2010, 10:46 PM
Did I morph back to the SunDeck?

reds44
09-03-2010, 10:46 PM
Holy God.

corkedbat
09-03-2010, 10:46 PM
BULL CRAP again!

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2010, 10:46 PM
Hernandez strikes out looking. Reds lose 3-2.

NJReds
09-03-2010, 10:46 PM
I guess the ump wanted to go home. THat was way low.

SirFelixCat
09-03-2010, 10:46 PM
Jesus Christ! You can't give him that!

Phhhl
09-03-2010, 10:46 PM
Horrible.

Griffey012
09-03-2010, 10:46 PM
We just have to get 1 of the next 2, that's all I care about.

mbgrayson
09-03-2010, 10:46 PM
Relax guys. We will get them yet...

edabbs44
09-03-2010, 10:47 PM
The over-reactions and the complaining is not only sad but depressing in it's own right.

Uh huh. 7 games up. I'm happy.

_Sir_Charles_
09-03-2010, 10:47 PM
Ball game. That zone got awfully wide that last inning. Oh well, I'd prefer to see us pound Carpenter anyway. :O)

Caveat Emperor
09-03-2010, 10:47 PM
We just have to get 1 of the next 2, that's all I care about.

Yeah, just can't let them sweep. That's the real key.

edabbs44
09-03-2010, 10:47 PM
Woo hoo! Cincy is 7 games up!

RBA
09-03-2010, 10:47 PM
Same crew as the last Card/Reds series. just sayin'

edabbs44
09-03-2010, 10:47 PM
Yeah, just can't let them sweep. That's the real key.

Very key. Don't want to open that door.

corkedbat
09-03-2010, 10:47 PM
I guess the ump wanted to go home. THat was way low.

Its been that way the last four innings

corkedbat
09-03-2010, 10:48 PM
need to beat Carpenter tomorrow. Go into Sunday with no pressure against Wainwright.

Griffey012
09-03-2010, 10:48 PM
Yeah, just can't let them sweep. That's the real key.

Yup. If you win 1 they can only gain 1 game. If they sweep they gain 3. That 1 game basically counts as 2 games.

Spitball
09-03-2010, 10:49 PM
Really? Ramon Hernandez? You don't want to put up someone who can hit a HR here?

Who catches if the PH ties it up?

corkedbat
09-03-2010, 10:49 PM
Who catches if the PH ties it up?

Corky

dsmith421
09-03-2010, 10:49 PM
need to beat Carpenter tomorrow. Go into Sunday with no pressure against Wainwright.

That should be easy enough, given our stellar record against Carpenter this year.

Brutus
09-03-2010, 10:49 PM
The over-reactions and the complaining is not only sad but depressing in it's own right.

Over-reaction?

Against the Cardinals, I'd say 5-11 and being outscored by them on the season 75-49 is not over-reacting pointing out how bad they've been owned.

Griffey012
09-03-2010, 10:49 PM
Who catches if the PH ties it up?

Corky is back up

kaldaniels
09-03-2010, 10:50 PM
Call me crazy but this was not the same Reds team that got swept by the Cards in Cincy...this was a competetive game.

corkedbat
09-03-2010, 10:50 PM
That should be easy enough, given our stellar record against Carpenter this year.

Got to beat at least some decent pitching if we're worthy of the playoffs

Griffey012
09-03-2010, 10:50 PM
Call me crazy but this was not the same Reds team that got swept by the Cards in Cincy...this was a competetive game.

I think I saw "that" Reds team playing on a local high school field.

dsmith421
09-03-2010, 10:50 PM
Against the Cardinals, I'd say 5-11 and being outscored by them on the season 75-49 is not over-reacting pointing out how bad they've been owned.

Not just owned, beaten like a rented mule by a bemulleted wine drunk with a J.D. he got off a cereal box.

Spitball
09-03-2010, 10:51 PM
Corky is back up


Ok. I missed that call up.

kaldaniels
09-03-2010, 10:51 PM
Over-reaction?

Against the Cardinals, I'd say 5-11 and being outscored by them on the season 75-49 is not over-reacting pointing out how bad they've been owned.

To which I say, "Scoreboard" (division that is).

Griffey012
09-03-2010, 10:52 PM
Got to beat at least some decent pitching if we're worthy of the playoffs

I just want to be in the playoffs and see what happens, I could care less what route we take to get there.

Caveat Emperor
09-03-2010, 10:52 PM
Over-reaction?

Against the Cardinals, I'd say 5-11 and being outscored by them on the season 75-49 is not over-reacting pointing out how bad they've been owned.

It's a mental thing. The Reds treat the Cardinals like they're some special huge game, they get amped up for the games, and they come out stiff and unable to play their game.

If there was any doubt about that, Phillips removed any of it with his comments.

If the Reds would just treat this like any other game, they'd do the same thing to the Cardinals that everyone else does.

Brutus
09-03-2010, 10:53 PM
To which I say, "Scoreboard" (division that is).

Too early for that. The Reds are playing the team they are in direct competition with and getting their lunch handed to them. The Reds could go 0-18 against the Cardinals if we knew they were going to win the division. Problem is, we don't yet know that.

alloverjr
09-03-2010, 10:53 PM
Call me crazy but this was not the same Reds team that got swept by the Cards in Cincy...this was a competetive game.

Unfortunately, probably the best chance they had based on the pitching matchups. Wood and Bailey against Wainright and Carpenter. I'd say the next two games are not as close. Cards really seem to get up for the Reds if for nobody else.

Brutus
09-03-2010, 10:53 PM
It's a mental thing. The Reds treat the Cardinals like they're some special huge game, they get amped up for the games, and they come out stiff and unable to play their game.

If there was any doubt about that, Phillips removed any of it with his comments.

If the Reds would just treat this like any other game, they'd do the same thing to the Cardinals that everyone else does.

I completely agree. But it's that exact reason I wish Dusty would have sat Phillips. He's the worst one of them all right now trying way, way, wayyyy too hard at the plate.

WVRedsFan
09-03-2010, 10:54 PM
Over-reaction?

Against the Cardinals, I'd say 5-11 and being outscored by them on the season 75-49 is not over-reacting pointing out how bad they've been owned.Totally. The game thread is becoming a good representation of Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood. One cannot discuss the game unless the attitude is sunny. That's bunk.

traderumor
09-03-2010, 10:54 PM
Traderumor's getting FRUSTRATED!

I know we have a big lead, barring an epic collapse will make the playoffs, yada, yada, yada....but watching the Cards win game after game against us in a season series is wearing very thin on me. I am sure it is doing the same on the Reds.

And with Wainwright and Crissy going, I don't see us doing anything better than going to Colorado 5 games up, and I'm not very comfortable with that. They gotta figure out a way to scratch out a win in one of these next two games. Man, I hope the baseball gods let this mojo end, maybe with a slumping Wainwright? :(

traderumor
09-03-2010, 10:55 PM
It's a mental thing. The Reds treat the Cardinals like they're some special huge game, they get amped up for the games, and they come out stiff and unable to play their game.

If there was any doubt about that, Phillips removed any of it with his comments.

If the Reds would just treat this like any other game, they'd do the same thing to the Cardinals that everyone else does.I think its about drawing Carpenter and Garcia each series, and I think we've only missed Wainwright once. It begins and ends with that. Even knowing that, it doesn't make it any less frustrating.

kaldaniels
09-03-2010, 10:57 PM
I gotta think Carpenter's gonna put one in someone's ribs at some point in the game tommorrow...right?

alloverjr
09-03-2010, 10:58 PM
I gotta think Carpenter's gonna put one in someone's ribs at some point in the game tommorrow...right?

I thought he was going Sunday.

dsmith421
09-03-2010, 10:58 PM
To which I say, "Scoreboard" (division that is).

Last year, and I remember this vividly, I was at a friend of a friend's house staying the night before the ND-Nevada game. This guy was a Tigers fan, and he was overjoyed they were up 6.5 games at that point.

The division is not yet won.

kaldaniels
09-03-2010, 10:58 PM
I thought he was going Sunday.

Someone a page up said it was tomorrow...I don't know

WVRedsFan
09-03-2010, 10:59 PM
I think its about drawing Carpenter and Garcia each series, and I think we've only missed Wainwright once. It begins and ends with that. Even knowing that, it doesn't make it any less frustrating.Absolutely. The Cardinals have the best 3 starters in the league. Trouble is, we always face them. And tonight we allowed the Mighty Cardinals 3 runs and could only get three for many reasons. Garcia is especially tough because he is a lefty, taking Bruce (and maybe that wasn't the reason tonight) out of the lineup and making things difficult for Votto.

Hopefully we'll get one game here one way or another.

CTA513
09-03-2010, 10:59 PM
I gotta think Carpenter's gonna put one in someone's ribs at some point in the game tommorrow...right?

It wouldn't be smart since he'll risk being suspended and the Reds can counter with someone who throws 100+ mph.

kaldaniels
09-03-2010, 11:00 PM
Wainer tommorrow...Carp Sun

Wheelhouse
09-03-2010, 11:01 PM
Can you imagine how Carpenter and LaRussa would be *****ing if they got calls against them like that last inning?

traderumor
09-03-2010, 11:12 PM
I think I am about as frustrated now with this dominance as I was with the Michigan game during the Cooper era, well, except it isn't lasting for 11 years ;)

Tony Cloninger
09-04-2010, 12:13 AM
The injuries are going to catch up to them sooner or later.....how soon is now?

Phillips reminds me of Chad Johnson.....wants to have fun and enjoy himself but now that we have a big game, he is tighter than a drum. Chad would do that from time to time as well. Same personalities to me.

GAC
09-04-2010, 07:41 AM
While it was only one game, it was not a good game at all for guys we need to come through for us in Phillips and Votto. Big 0-fers from these guys. And not having Bruce in there, who has been hot lately, also doesn't help.

Phillips looked terrible in everyone of his ABs. He's an emotional guy to begin with, but I think the crowd got to him (don't care if he was smiling), took him out of his game and caused him to really press because he was wanting to shut them up.

Well, he didn't.

Go get'em today boys. Remember..... the pressure is on them, not us. ;)

cincrazy
09-04-2010, 08:24 AM
Honestly, I'm just relieved we were able to battle back and make it a game. After being down 3-0 after 2, I thought they were going to stop a mudhole in us, but that didn't happen. That was a close, competitive game, and we just couldn't get things to go our way. We hit several balls very hard right at people (for instance, Gomes in the 8th) while the Cardinals got Garcia's high hopper to go over Votto's head, and Jay's shot down the line that JUST missed Votto's glove.

Today is a new day. We are STILL up 7 games. Only Reds fans would panic over this, haha. Go get 'em today boys :).

MattyHo4Life
09-04-2010, 09:10 AM
Quick question.. do we think Rolen gets booed?

Sorry for being late on this one. I don't think Rolen would ever be booed in St. Louis. Rolen plays the game the right way and that's why he was a favorite in St. Louis. Now BP is another story. It's not often that you see a standing O when a guy strikes out.

Raisor
09-04-2010, 09:11 AM
Sorry for being late on this one. I don't think Rolen would ever be booed in St. Louis. Rolen plays the game the right way and that's why he was a favorite in St. Louis. Now BP is another story. It's not often that you see a standing O when a guy strikes out.

he was booed earlier in the season.

MattyHo4Life
09-04-2010, 09:16 AM
It's a mental thing. The Reds treat the Cardinals like they're some special huge game, they get amped up for the games, and they come out stiff and unable to play their game.

If there was any doubt about that, Phillips removed any of it with his comments.

If the Reds would just treat this like any other game, they'd do the same thing to the Cardinals that everyone else does.

I think you are exactly right about that Caveat. The question is.... how will the Reds handle the playoffs. Every playoof game is a huge game with tons of pressure. I'm used to watching the Cardinals fall apart and get swept whether it's against the Dodgers or in the WS against the Red Sox. You have to take it up another level in the playoffs.

_Sir_Charles_
09-04-2010, 09:40 AM
It's a mental thing. The Reds treat the Cardinals like they're some special huge game, they get amped up for the games, and they come out stiff and unable to play their game.

If there was any doubt about that, Phillips removed any of it with his comments.

If the Reds would just treat this like any other game, they'd do the same thing to the Cardinals that everyone else does.

This.

traderumor
09-04-2010, 09:52 AM
Any mention of those "great, knowledgeable Cardinals fans" certainly rings hollow after last night. There was the genius sitting right above the dugout with the two young boys joining him in hurling insults at Phillips as he went back to the dugout. Booing is always poor sportmanship, letting your kids publicly ridicule an opposing player in plain view on TV is inexcusable. And throwing the foul ball back on the field was just plain childish. Apparently Crissy and Tony and the rest of the whiny Sues are rubbing off on the fans.

Cedric
09-04-2010, 09:56 AM
Any mention of those "great, knowledgeable Cardinals fans" certainly rings hollow after last night. There was the genius sitting right above the dugout with the two young boys joining him in hurling insults at Phillips as he went back to the dugout. Booing is always poor sportmanship, letting your kids publicly ridicule an opposing player in plain view on TV is inexcusable. And throwing the foul ball back on the field was just plain childish. Apparently Crissy and Tony and the rest of the whiny Sues are rubbing off on the fans.

The "best fans" thing is totally hype. Qualifying "fandom" is just stupid. Why do people in our society today need a list for everything?

Greatest rock song ever.. Greatest band ever.. Greatest pitcher ever..

Can't people just understand that different situations breed different people and different actions? I clearly remember the Cardinals having trouble filling their stadium in I believe the late 80's to mid 90's.

It's really not hard to have great fans when you win.

traderumor
09-04-2010, 10:08 AM
The "best fans" thing is totally hype. Qualifying "fandom" is just stupid. Why do people in our society today need a list for everything?

Greatest rock song ever.. Greatest band ever.. Greatest pitcher ever..

Can't people just understand that different situations breed different people and different actions? I clearly remember the Cardinals having trouble filling their stadium in I believe the late 80's to mid 90's.

It's really not hard to have great fans when you win.I agree. Which is why I take every opportunity to take a poke when possible ;) But the sportswriters need something to write about when there is nothing new under the sun.

MattyHo4Life
09-04-2010, 10:36 AM
I clearly remember the Cardinals having trouble filling their stadium in I believe the late 80's to mid 90's.

I'm not sure about the 80's, because the Cardinals had some good teams in the 80's, but in the 90's, prior to 1996, it was really easy to get a good seat. That was when Joe Torre managed the Cards.

MattyHo4Life
09-04-2010, 10:52 AM
Any mention of those "great, knowledgeable Cardinals fans" certainly rings hollow after last night.

Ok...i'll take the bait. lol I don't know about what Sportswriters think, and I really don't care. I've said many times here, and I'll stand by it, Reds fans and Cardinals fans are very similar. The only difference is that the Reds haven't had a consistant winning team for a long time. I am sometimes surprised to hear that the Reds don't sell out more games. Although, I think that may be because the fans expect the team to fall apart at some point. Perhaps next season will see higher attendance numbers after a winning 2010. There is no reason why the Reds can't bring in 3Mil fans a year if they have a good team every year. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with BP being booed last night. I don't see anything wrong with Yadi having been booed in Cincinnati last month either. I don't like when fans boo a player on their own team for bad performance. I don't mind if a player is booed after a player on a rival team does something like what BP and Yadi did. All it does is make the rivalry better. If the Reds want a rivaly, then this could be an epic rivalry in the making.

GAC
09-04-2010, 02:49 PM
I am sometimes surprised to hear that the Reds don't sell out more games. Although, I think that may be because the fans expect the team to fall apart at some point. Perhaps next season will see higher attendance numbers after a winning 2010. There is no reason why the Reds can't bring in 3Mil fans a year if they have a good team every year.

In their history the Reds have never drawn 3M, or even came close. Even when they had good teams, such as the BRM years, 1990, and the first season of Jr in 2000, they peeked at approx. 2.5M. Heck, in 95, the last time we made it to the post-season, we only drew 1.8M.

Cincinnati has always had it's attendance issues, so I don't know why some keep complaining as to why more don't come out. What you see is what you're going to get for the most part, with spikes/fluctuations now and then.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/attend.shtml