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dsmith421
09-10-2010, 10:52 PM
That is a horrible horrible call, at least from the naked eye.

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 10:53 PM
Barely an out there on a 5-4 FC.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 10:53 PM
Whoa, got away with one there. Lucky by Rolen for out #2 at seond. Whew.

Red in Chicago
09-10-2010, 10:53 PM
Safe?

VR
09-10-2010, 10:53 PM
looked safe to me

Tornon
09-10-2010, 10:53 PM
Like I said.. I think Davidson just auto-calls everyone out

alloverjr
09-10-2010, 10:53 PM
wow.

NC Reds
09-10-2010, 10:53 PM
I'll take it.

corkedbat
09-10-2010, 10:53 PM
Still catching breaks - we need to create some

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 10:53 PM
Actually it was not an out. Phillips was off the base. Davidson just wants to end this game anyway he can.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 10:53 PM
7 hits and 15 strikeouts against the Pirates. Hard to fathom.

But the Pirates have won 14 road games this year. That's good, right??

kbrake
09-10-2010, 10:53 PM
What is Rolen doing? Has being a Red finally rubbed off on him?

Tornon
09-10-2010, 10:54 PM
Actually it was not an out. Phillips was off the base. Davidson just wants to end this game anyway he can.

I think he would call him safe if he wanted the game to end

Red in Chicago
09-10-2010, 10:55 PM
What is Rolen doing? Has being a Red finally rubbed off on him?

He lucked out. It was a poor choice.

NC Reds
09-10-2010, 10:55 PM
The solution to this slump can be found in two simple words: George Grande.

corkedbat
09-10-2010, 10:55 PM
Dang! Throw strikes

LoganBuck
09-10-2010, 10:55 PM
Where was that pitch?

He has been calling that a strike all night.

dsmith421
09-10-2010, 10:56 PM
The solution to this slump can be found in two simple words: George Grande.

The Angel of Death returns to deal the coup de grace to the Reds. Fear his clarion call of "HEYDIDDLYEY!"

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 10:56 PM
Snyder walks.

Red in Chicago
09-10-2010, 10:56 PM
Walks will haunt here it comes folks

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 10:56 PM
Young hitting for Park.

Tornon
09-10-2010, 10:56 PM
Walk to get Park out of the game

mbgrayson
09-10-2010, 10:56 PM
Where was that pitch?

He has been calling that a strike all night.

Agreed. Ball three was a strike. Oh well, we got a big break on that call at 2nd.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 10:56 PM
Good to see the Braves knocked around Carpenter tonight. Too bad I missed it. Favorable pitching matchups for ATL the next two nights.

There for the taking for the Good Guys.

And Smith with an untimely walk. 1st and 2nd with two outs... Arrghhh

CrackerJack
09-10-2010, 10:57 PM
The solution to this slump can be found in two simple words: George Grande.

It's possible.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 10:58 PM
three outs. Let's win this thing. Enough is enough...

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 10:58 PM
Young grounds into a FC at short. Heisey, Votto and Rolen due up.

corkedbat
09-10-2010, 10:58 PM
OK. Joey the Savior will end it

OesterPoster
09-10-2010, 10:58 PM
I'll be shocked if Heisey doesn't try for a bunt single. With the way he swung the last AB, his back is hurting.

SirFelixCat
09-10-2010, 10:58 PM
WTF?

The wife and I aren't at this game, so what gives?!?

oregonred
09-10-2010, 10:58 PM
The Rockies may not lose the rest of the season. They might score 20 tonight against the DBacks

Reds Freak
09-10-2010, 10:58 PM
Jordan Smith was just making sure he got Chan Ho Park out of the game by walking Snyder...

Phhhl
09-10-2010, 10:59 PM
Have to think we have a chance here, if Votto and Rolen can just concentrate. I mean, who do they even have left in the pen, other than Hanrahan. Of course, Heisey will likely have to bunt again if he is going to have any hope of reaching base.

dsmith421
09-10-2010, 10:59 PM
Who's the next complete turd burglar the Reds are going to make look like Sandy Koufax?

oregonred
09-10-2010, 10:59 PM
I'll be shocked if Heisey doesn't try for a bunt single. With the way he swung the last AB, his back is hurting.

So we have Stubbs, Johnny "pop-up" Gomes and now a gimpy Heisey as avaialble OF's in the middle of the pennant race. Should I laugh or cry?

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:00 PM
I smelll a Reds victory. I mean they have to at least luck into a run by accident against the next AAAA pitcher. Don't they?

Cedric
09-10-2010, 11:00 PM
So we have Stubbs, Johnny "pop-up" Gomes and now a gimpy Heisey as avaialble OF's in the middle of the pennant race. Should I laugh or cry?

Why would that ever happen with a 40 man roster? That incompetence should be called out by Fay or someone.

Tornon
09-10-2010, 11:00 PM
Heisey might be able to walk without doing anything

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 11:00 PM
Who's the next complete turd burglar the Reds are going to make look like Sandy Koufax?

Tomorrow night they face Charlie Morton who is 1-11 with a 9.66 ERA

OesterPoster
09-10-2010, 11:01 PM
Prophetic.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:01 PM
Why would that ever happen with a 40 man roster? That incompetence should be called out by Fay or someone.

But at least they can keep Harang and DRH on the 40-man.

beautiful by Heisey!

Tornon
09-10-2010, 11:01 PM
surprise!

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 11:01 PM
Ledezma in to pitch

Perfect bunt hit by Heisey.

mbgrayson
09-10-2010, 11:01 PM
I'll be shocked if Heisey doesn't try for a bunt single. With the way he swung the last AB, his back is hurting.
Bingo!

Reds Freak
09-10-2010, 11:01 PM
Bunt Votto? :)

NJReds
09-10-2010, 11:01 PM
Nice bunt by Heisey.

LoganBuck
09-10-2010, 11:01 PM
Heisey with another bunt hit!

The dude can't physically swing the bat, but good job!

SirFelixCat
09-10-2010, 11:01 PM
I'll be shocked if Heisey doesn't try for a bunt single. With the way he swung the last AB, his back is hurting.

:thumbup:

dsmith421
09-10-2010, 11:01 PM
Tomorrow night they face Charlie Morton who is 1-11 with a 9.66 ERA

He'll do.

corkedbat
09-10-2010, 11:01 PM
Heisey should go up there bunting and swing away once in a while to throw e off

Phhhl
09-10-2010, 11:02 PM
You can't bunt Votto.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:02 PM
great call on the bunt OP.

dsmith421
09-10-2010, 11:02 PM
HBP. Fo' real this time.

LoganBuck
09-10-2010, 11:02 PM
Votto hit again!

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:02 PM
Votto just doesn't wanna bat. Wuss.

Reds Freak
09-10-2010, 11:03 PM
Bunt Rolen?

Phhhl
09-10-2010, 11:03 PM
Bunt Rolen?

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 11:03 PM
Votto hit by the pitch. And this time he was hit.

Tornon
09-10-2010, 11:03 PM
Bunt Rolen..?

Brutus
09-10-2010, 11:03 PM
That Votto. He's clutch in getting hit by pitch situations.

alloverjr
09-10-2010, 11:03 PM
Bunt Rolen..?

yep

mbgrayson
09-10-2010, 11:03 PM
Two more HBPs and we win!

dsmith421
09-10-2010, 11:03 PM
Do we have anyone fast enough that they could score from 3rd on Gomes' inevitable towering shot to shortstop?

HokieRed
09-10-2010, 11:03 PM
Absolutely I have Rolen bunt.

Tornon
09-10-2010, 11:03 PM
yep

They'll walk Gomes & have Stubbs up with bases loaded & 1 out.. do we want that?

Cedric
09-10-2010, 11:03 PM
yep

Gomes? Pop up 99% likely.

alloverjr
09-10-2010, 11:03 PM
Do we have anyone fast enough that they could score from 3rd on Gomes' inevitable towering shot to shortstop?

Wood.

oneupper
09-10-2010, 11:03 PM
Do we have anyone fast enough that they could score from 3rd on Gomes' inevitable towering shot to shortstop?

Chapman.

KoryMac5
09-10-2010, 11:04 PM
Taking a risk with Gomes up after Rolen if you bunt.

corkedbat
09-10-2010, 11:04 PM
The Designated (Votto) Hitter leaves

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:04 PM
They'll walk Gomes & have Stubbs up with bases loaded & 1 out.. do we want that?

Pinch hit Leake ;)

RBA
09-10-2010, 11:04 PM
I say the double steal is in order.

Tornon
09-10-2010, 11:04 PM
I say the double steal is in order.

I wouldn't.. everybody is out at 2nd tonight

kaldaniels
09-10-2010, 11:04 PM
assumming 6 games up after this fiasco filled week...i'll take it.

Red in Chicago
09-10-2010, 11:04 PM
Two more HBPs and we win!

Not if someone gets picked off in between;)

Reds Freak
09-10-2010, 11:04 PM
Taking a risk with Gomes up after Rolen if you bunt.

True, also risk Rolen 6-4-3ing one...

Cedric
09-10-2010, 11:04 PM
Is Rolen going to be able to make contact against someone that throws this hard? He needs to start his swing like right now.

OesterPoster
09-10-2010, 11:04 PM
Votto has a strange box score tonight. Anyone with access to Stats Inc? Who's the last Reds player to strike out 3 times in one game and get hit by 2 pitches?

LoganBuck
09-10-2010, 11:04 PM
Do we have anyone fast enough that they could score from 3rd on Gomes' inevitable towering shot to shortstop?

Corky Miller, he has stealthy speed. He moves too slow for the naked eye to notice.

alloverjr
09-10-2010, 11:05 PM
They'll walk Gomes & have Stubbs up with bases loaded & 1 out.. do we want that?

I've as much confidence in Stubbs getting a runner in from 3rd as I do Rolen from 2nd right now. Not ideal, but neither is this game.

corkedbat
09-10-2010, 11:05 PM
Leake was activated to pinch run

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 11:05 PM
Joel Hanrahan in to pitch

Brutus
09-10-2010, 11:05 PM
Votto has a strange box score tonight. Anyone with access to Stats Inc? Who's the last Reds player to strike out 3 times in one game and get hit by 2 pitches?

Something tells me Ryan Freel has done it LOL

OesterPoster
09-10-2010, 11:05 PM
Something tells me Ryan Freel has done it LOL

Farney doesn't count.

corkedbat
09-10-2010, 11:06 PM
another shot to right would be nice

Cedric
09-10-2010, 11:06 PM
Rolen has to cheat so bad on the fastball. It's actually kind of sad to see such a great player struggle like this.

LoganBuck
09-10-2010, 11:06 PM
Another crappy at bat from Rolen

alloverjr
09-10-2010, 11:06 PM
This is ridiculous.

dsmith421
09-10-2010, 11:06 PM
Rolen has aged about 65 years since August 1st.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:06 PM
Cmon Rolen. Man he looks bad. Cmon Scotty

Tornon
09-10-2010, 11:07 PM
alright.. gotta finish this off

dsmith421
09-10-2010, 11:07 PM
Old Man Time singles, bases loaded

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 11:07 PM
Rolen lines a hit to left. Bases loaded.

Reds Freak
09-10-2010, 11:07 PM
If they don't score here, I give up!

SirFelixCat
09-10-2010, 11:07 PM
That's the right call to hold him.

NJReds
09-10-2010, 11:07 PM
Nice rip.

alloverjr
09-10-2010, 11:07 PM
ok. that's cool.

OesterPoster
09-10-2010, 11:07 PM
Bases juiced for my RedsPicktoClick tonight.

LoganBuck
09-10-2010, 11:07 PM
Rolen manages to hit the ball, bases loaded.

mbgrayson
09-10-2010, 11:07 PM
Another crappy at bat from Rolen
Huh? A little premature, aren't we?

corkedbat
09-10-2010, 11:07 PM
caught up withthat one

Cedric
09-10-2010, 11:07 PM
Thanks for the hanger Joel!

SirFelixCat
09-10-2010, 11:07 PM
Why would you throw Rolen anything off-speed? Thank you, but crazy imo.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:07 PM
Pro AB by Rolen right there.

alloverjr
09-10-2010, 11:07 PM
Huh? A little premature, aren't we?

didn't stay with the fastball. dumb.

dsmith421
09-10-2010, 11:08 PM
Wild pitch, pleez.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:08 PM
Almost a WP. That would work.

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 11:08 PM
Pitch in the dirt is blocked.

Reds Freak
09-10-2010, 11:08 PM
didn't stay with the fastball. dumb.

First two swing and misses were on off-speed btw..

corkedbat
09-10-2010, 11:08 PM
Gomes with the squeeze :D

SirFelixCat
09-10-2010, 11:08 PM
I don't care how, just get him in, Johnny!

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:08 PM
take a strike Johnny

LoganBuck
09-10-2010, 11:08 PM
Huh? A little premature, aren't we?

Gotta do something. If it makes me look like a moron all the better!:thumbup:

dsmith421
09-10-2010, 11:08 PM
Walk, pleez.

OesterPoster
09-10-2010, 11:08 PM
We have Balkin' Bob at 2nd tonight. I'll take one of those right now. :)

alloverjr
09-10-2010, 11:08 PM
HBP?

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 11:08 PM
2-0 count.

Tornon
09-10-2010, 11:08 PM
didn't stay with the fastball. dumb.

He only got 1 fastball in that at bat & it was taken for a ball

SirFelixCat
09-10-2010, 11:08 PM
2-0 nice.

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 11:09 PM
2-1 count.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:09 PM
low and inside. But a strike tonight.

Tornon
09-10-2010, 11:09 PM
It counts!

mbgrayson
09-10-2010, 11:09 PM
Gomes singles and Heisey scores!

This one belongs to the Reds, the slump is busted@!

LoganBuck
09-10-2010, 11:09 PM
Reds win!!!!

OesterPoster
09-10-2010, 11:09 PM
Oh yeah baby!!!!

17!

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:09 PM
Sweet!!!

SirFelixCat
09-10-2010, 11:09 PM
FINALLY!

kbrake
09-10-2010, 11:09 PM
Hahahahahahahahaha I'll take it.

Cedric
09-10-2010, 11:09 PM
I do'nt want to see anyone come into this thread and complain later about the negativity. This game was uggggly.

Glad for the win and extremely glad the Reds are 6 up. We care here.

alloverjr
09-10-2010, 11:09 PM
Now beat Gomes! :D

NJReds
09-10-2010, 11:09 PM
I'll take it!:beerme:

corkedbat
09-10-2010, 11:10 PM
Thank you mr. Snider!!!!!!!!!!!

dsmith421
09-10-2010, 11:10 PM
Completely shambolic

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 11:10 PM
Red win 4-3! Snyder dropped the ball at home on the throw from Cedeno. 6 game lead. Magic number 17. :beerme:

Red in Chicago
09-10-2010, 11:10 PM
Jonnys all man with that swing:p:

Tornon
09-10-2010, 11:10 PM
The Pirates are who we thought they were

NJReds
09-10-2010, 11:10 PM
What a strange game that was.

kaldaniels
09-10-2010, 11:10 PM
6 games up on Sept 10

SirFelixCat
09-10-2010, 11:10 PM
I don't care how, just get him in, Johnny!

:thumbup:

oneupper
09-10-2010, 11:11 PM
Heiey set that one up.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:11 PM
I do'nt want to see anyone come into this thread and complain later about the negativity. This game was uggggly.

Glad for the win and extremely glad the Reds are 6 up. We care here.

Well said. This one was butt ugly with some of the worst AB's I've ever seen. Gomes winning 78 foot dribbler about summed it up. In-between one of the greatest and freakish innings pitched maybe ever by Chapman.

dsmith421
09-10-2010, 11:11 PM
Quick update: Stubbs was pronounced dead in the postgame dogpile. Dusty Baker will play RF for the remainder of the season.

VR
09-10-2010, 11:11 PM
Jonny Gomes, hero.

mbgrayson
09-10-2010, 11:11 PM
If you watch the replay, Heisey really winces as he slides across home with the winning run. I'm worried that he got hurt in that collision tonight.

KoryMac5
09-10-2010, 11:11 PM
Gomes with RBI 78 one behind Rolen for second on the team.

oneupper
09-10-2010, 11:12 PM
Gomes with RBI 78 one behind Rolen for second on the team.

That has to be an E_2

LoganBuck
09-10-2010, 11:12 PM
That game reminds me of the South Park episode where Timmy and Jimmy fight.

BCubb2003
09-10-2010, 11:12 PM
Quick update: Stubbs was pronounced dead in the postgame dogpile. Dusty Baker will play RF for the remainder of the season.

Maybe Pete will be reinstated in baseball tomorrow night.

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 11:12 PM
If you watch the replay, Heisey really winces as he slides across home with the winning run. I'm worried that he got hurt in that collision tonight.

I am sure he is hurt he looked bad on every swing after the collision. They are down to Cairo in the OF if he is hurt.

CrackerJack
09-10-2010, 11:12 PM
Really needed that one....

Brutus
09-10-2010, 11:12 PM
Wins are wins at this point!

VR
09-10-2010, 11:13 PM
That has to be an E_2

yes. Despite Jonny's "50 foot game single" in his mind.

oneupper
09-10-2010, 11:13 PM
Win number 80.

dsmith421
09-10-2010, 11:13 PM
You know, we are still actually allowed to make waiver trades at this point, I believe. (Recall the Red Sox acquiring Stanton for the last series of the season a few years back). Couldn't put the player on the postseason roster, but at this point any OF help would come in handy.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:13 PM
You know, we are still actually allowed to make waiver trades at this point, I believe. (Recall the Red Sox acquiring Stanton for the last series of the season a few years back). Couldn't put the player on the postseason roster, but at this point any OF help would come in handy.

Absolutely should be done.

KoryMac5
09-10-2010, 11:14 PM
Team is getting banged up down the stretch. Rolen's hammy is hurting, Heisey is in pain, and Bruce is out. The Reds might have to crawl across the finish line.

alloverjr
09-10-2010, 11:14 PM
Heck, play Alonso out there and take your chances. It's not really a gold glove OF as it stands now anyway.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:14 PM
I would have had trouble sleeping if they blew that one.

Picked up a game with Prissy Carpenter taking a whuppin' by the Tomahawks.


There is some justice in the world.

Reds Freak
09-10-2010, 11:14 PM
You know, we are still actually allowed to make waiver trades at this point, I believe. (Recall the Red Sox acquiring Stanton for the last series of the season a few years back). Couldn't put the player on the postseason roster, but at this point any OF help would come in handy.

What's the difference between that and getting Danny Dorn or Todd Frazier up here. Sure, they don't have any MLB experience, but they're not playing many MLB teams the next week or so...

BCubb2003
09-10-2010, 11:15 PM
Lowest magic number in NL.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:16 PM
What's the difference between that and getting Danny Dorn or Todd Frazier up here. Sure, they don't have any MLB experience, but they're not playing many MLB teams the next week or so...

Veteran leadership. It's all about the veteran leadership, apparently :D

Maybe we could trade for Dickerson...

mbgrayson
09-10-2010, 11:16 PM
What's the difference between that and getting Danny Dorn or Todd Frazier up here. Sure, they don't have any MLB experience, but they're not playing many MLB teams the next week or so...

Dorn and Frazier are not on the 40 man. Who do we cut?

alloverjr
09-10-2010, 11:17 PM
Dorn and Frazier are not on the 40 man. Who do we cut?

Cordero? :)

OesterPoster
09-10-2010, 11:17 PM
Could have had Jeremy Hermida last week for practically nothing. Now he's with the Oakland AAA team, I think.

KoryMac5
09-10-2010, 11:17 PM
DFA Harang and bring up a kid from AAA to help until the end of the season.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:17 PM
Dorn and Frazier are not on the 40 man. Who do we cut?

Keep Harang and DRH at all costs. LOL. There's two easy ones to add Frazier and maybe Dorn.

Degenerate39
09-10-2010, 11:17 PM
Shame Bailey didn't get the win

Reds Freak
09-10-2010, 11:17 PM
Dorn and Frazier are not on the 40 man. Who do we cut?

You'd still have to cut someone if you traded for someone right? Is there any point in having DRH or Del Rosario on the roster?

dsmith421
09-10-2010, 11:18 PM
What's the difference between that and getting Danny Dorn or Todd Frazier up here. Sure, they don't have any MLB experience, but they're not playing many MLB teams the next week or so...

I'm fine with that also.

HokieRed
09-10-2010, 11:18 PM
Put Balentien on, cut DRH.

LoganBuck
09-10-2010, 11:18 PM
You know, we are still actually allowed to make waiver trades at this point, I believe. (Recall the Red Sox acquiring Stanton for the last series of the season a few years back). Couldn't put the player on the postseason roster, but at this point any OF help would come in handy.

The thing is who do you go get? Look at the teams out of it, with players that could be available. I don't think the Marlins, Nationals, Dodgers, Dbacks, Pirates, Brewers, or Cubs have anyone available. In the AL, the Royals, Indians, Angels, Tigers and Orioles don't. The only kind of guys out there are likely to be lesser versions of Jim Edmunds and Miguel Cairo. Give me Balentien or Frazier.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:18 PM
Put Balentien on, cut DRH.

DFA Harang. No one will pick him up and they can add him to the roster again on Sept 21.

Brutus
09-10-2010, 11:19 PM
Do you believe in magic (numbers), in a young Reds' heart?
How wins can free it, whenever it starts
And it's magic, if the winning is groovy
It makes you feel happy, like a Big Red movie
It tells you about the magic that will free your soul
But it's like tryin' to tell a stranger 'bout ol' Dick Pole

Yeah do you believe in magic?

KoryMac5
09-10-2010, 11:19 PM
You lose Harang anyway at the end of the year. He is a hood ornament at this point. Cut the dead weight and use Leake as your long man.

dsmith421
09-10-2010, 11:20 PM
The thing is who do you go get? Look at the teams out of it, with players that could be available. I don't think the Marlins, Nationals, Dodgers, Dbacks, Pirates, Brewers, or Cubs have anyone available. In the AL, the Royals, Indians, Angels, Tigers and Orioles don't. The only kind of guys out there are likely to be lesser versions of Jim Edmunds and Miguel Cairo. Give me Balentien or Frazier.

I was just looking around and you're right, there's not much out there. The only name I see that might make a hair of sense is Ryan Church (assuming he's not on a multi-year contract, which I do not know), which would be convenient with the D-Backs in town this week.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:21 PM
After a week from Hades and as ill-timed a four game set in Denver, the Reds are only down one single game in the standings since this time last week. A miracle.

And now we are down to only 21 games left. Find a way to get two more wins against the worst road team in recent MLB history and I think we are at minimum seven up on Sunday evening.

oneupper
09-10-2010, 11:21 PM
You lose Harang anyway at the end of the year. He is a hood ornament at this point. Cut the dead weight and use Leake as your long man.

That's cold. Team won't do that.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:23 PM
That's cold. Team won't do that.

$12M in coin for 2010 softens the blow a bit... DFA DRH or Del Rosario if they are afraid of hurt feelings.

LoganBuck
09-10-2010, 11:23 PM
That's cold. Team won't do that.

Agree, I would think you would see a trip to the 60 Day DL, with something back related.

Aaron has been a good soldier, can't just dump him.

Cedric
09-10-2010, 11:27 PM
Agree, I would think you would see a trip to the 60 Day DL, with something back related.

Aaron has been a good soldier, can't just dump him.

Sure you can. You paid the guy 12 million dollars this year. Everyday joes' get canned for working 20 years someplace and the boss needs to cut overhead by 1%.

If cutting Harang could help the Reds win 1 game it would be worth it.

Reds Freak
09-10-2010, 11:28 PM
Sure you can. You paid the guy 12 million dollars this year. Everyday joes' get canned for working 20 years someplace and the boss needs to cut overhead by 1%.

If cutting Harang could help the Reds win 1 game it would be worth it.

Yes there's the money, but it's more about money. It's about loyalty and that goes a long way in an organization..

Brutus
09-10-2010, 11:29 PM
Sure you can. You paid the guy 12 million dollars this year. Everyday joes' get canned for working 20 years someplace and the boss needs to cut overhead by 1%.

If cutting Harang could help the Reds win 1 game it would be worth it.

Except in this case, you'd still have to pay him for the last few weeks anyhow, not to mention you'd have to pay him an additional 45 days of termination pay. For what? saving a roster spot for a few weeks? That's not a sound business decision.

If the Reds need roster space, they should find it from some place that isn't being used and wouldn't cost them so much money (i.e. Del Rosario).

LoganBuck
09-10-2010, 11:30 PM
Sure you can. You paid the guy 12 million dollars this year. Everyday joes' get canned for working 20 years someplace and the boss needs to cut overhead by 1%.

If cutting Harang could help the Reds win 1 game it would be worth it.

I agree, but I don't want to upset the cart. Maybe it goes over poorly in the clubhouse.

A trip to the 60 day DL, accomplishes the same thing, same money, except Aaron Harang sits in the dugout wearing a warm up, no hurt feelings.

Brutus
09-10-2010, 11:31 PM
I agree, but I don't want to upset the cart. Maybe it goes over poorly in the clubhouse.

A trip to the 60 day DL, accomplishes the same thing, same money, except Aaron Harang sits in the dugout wearing a warm up, no hurt feelings.

Don't insult a player's intelligence. A trip to the DL is just as insulting to a player when he knows he's not injured. Just let Aaron sit out in the pen and watch the games. They would have to pay him either way. Doesn't make a difference.

oregonred
09-10-2010, 11:34 PM
Thank goodness we aren't stuck with another year of Harang's contract in 2011. That would have been a killer.

Reds Fanatic
09-10-2010, 11:37 PM
Put Balentien on, cut DRH.

Balentin is hurt himself. I believe he has an oblique pull.

Brutus
09-10-2010, 11:37 PM
Balentin is hurt himself. I believe he has an oblique pull.

He was just activated today.

traderumor
09-10-2010, 11:38 PM
I think Harang could have some value in long relief the rest of the way. Nice to know he's out there in a game like tonight when multiple innings might be needed.

Throwing him under the bus now would be classless. I'm an accountant, and even I recognize that it isn't always just all about saving a few dollars.

HokieRed
09-10-2010, 11:46 PM
Balentin is hurt himself. I believe he has an oblique pull.

He's been back for the last couple days.

traderumor
09-10-2010, 11:49 PM
Bruce not pinch hitting at some point tonight makes me wonder when he is going to be back. But, while the losing streak has made the ride a little bumpy, they probably have enough cushion to be cautious and give him the extra time to make sure he doesn't tweak it or pull it the rest of the way and be out for the playoffs.

Screwball
09-10-2010, 11:57 PM
What was he supposed to do argue with the umpire on that call. If he says take the base you take the base.

Exactly. Accusing Votto of being scared to hit at any point is a freakin' joke. But claiming that Votto's scared because he takes first after being HBP? Well, that may be the most foolish thing I've seen posted on the ORG.

PuffyPig
09-11-2010, 12:01 AM
Another crappy at bat from Rolen

Do U have any idea how stupid this makes U sound....?

Brutus
09-11-2010, 12:03 AM
Do U have any idea how stupid this makes U sound....?

Is this necessary? No matter the ultimate result, can't blame anyone for being frustrated at that point in time. But either way... what's the point in calling someone out? Especially in this manner?

PuffyPig
09-11-2010, 12:12 AM
Is this necessary? No matter the ultimate result, can't blame anyone for being frustrated at that point in time. But either way... what's the point in calling someone out? Especially in this manner?

Saying someone has a terrible AB before it's over??????

And U defend that?

Rolen's single put us in the huge % position to win, yet someone referred to it as a terrible AB before it was over.

You say he was frustrated because we had runners on first and second with zero outs, one run would win us the game. and Rolen , who never trailed in the count, didn't immediately win us the game?

I called him out becuse he was calling an AB terrible before it was largely resonsible for winning us a game.

Yet U defend it.....

Get real.....

Cedric
09-11-2010, 12:14 AM
Exactly. Accusing Votto of being scared to hit at any point is a freakin' joke. But claiming that Votto's scared because he takes first after being HBP? Well, that may be the most foolish thing I've seen posted on the ORG.

He didn't come close to getting hit. He wanted to get on to help the team so he pretended to get hit.

That's weird for someone as great as Joey. I think he is pressing and realized tonight he wasn't seeing the ball well. Another at bat early in the game he took a strike 3 looking like it was a 3-0 pitch. It happens.

I don't think it's that foolish to say it's surprising to see someone as great as Votto pretend to get hit by a pitch.

Brutus
09-11-2010, 12:24 AM
Saying someone has a terrible AB before it's over??????

And U defend that?

Rolen's single put us in the huge % position to win, yet someone referred to it as a terrible AB before it was over.

You say he was frustrated because we had runners on first and second with zero outs, one run would win us the game. and Rolen , who never trailed in the count, didn't immediately win us the game?

I called him out becuse he was calling an AB terrible before it was largely resonsible for winning us a game.

Yet U defend it.....

Get real.....

Didn't say I was agreeing with it. But why do you feel the need to call him out for it? Does it ruin your day? Do you have to say someone looks stupid because you don't like it?

Is it silly to harp on an at-bat before it's over? Sure. But so what? Why does it bother you. What personal investment do you have coming to tell someone how stupid they look for it?

I'm not the one that needs to get real. It's unnecessary of you. You're not the reaction police, so no reason to tell people how "stupid" they look for reacting some way you dislike.

It's a game thread. Guess what? People get frustrated in the heat of the moment. But there's nothing to be gained for you to come and tell them how they should react. It's neither your job, your place or even your business to do so.

I'm not defending it. I just don't see who's place it is for you to call him out for it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Screwball
09-11-2010, 12:34 AM
He didn't come close to getting hit. He wanted to get on to help the team so he pretended to get hit.

That's weird for someone as great as Joey. I think he is pressing and realized tonight he wasn't seeing the ball well. Another at bat early in the game he took a strike 3 looking like it was a 3-0 pitch. It happens.

I don't think it's that foolish to say it's surprising to see someone as great as Votto pretend to get hit by a pitch.

First off, yes he did come close to gettng hit. I'd argue the ump made the right call as it looked to me the ball grazed the jersey, which of course counts as a HBP. Borderline call either way.

Secondly, you claimed Votto was scared to bat, which is absurd. I can point to countless examples of him battling flame throwers (Jonathan Broxton immediately comes to mind) in extended ABs, routinely fouling off upper 90s heat. Although I guess now it's been changed to surprise that he pretended to get hit, which I still find ridiculous. The pitcher threw it way up and in, and somehow Votto did something wrong by having the ump tell him to go to 1st base.

oregonred
09-11-2010, 12:37 AM
I do'nt want to see anyone come into this thread and complain later about the negativity. This game was uggggly.

Glad for the win and extremely glad the Reds are 6 up. We care here.

That would never happen an hour after the game ended. LOL

Redsfan320
09-11-2010, 06:56 AM
Been a long time-

What dooo you know- Reds win!

320

redsmetz
09-11-2010, 07:22 AM
That's cold. Team won't do that.

Re: dropping Harang, you've set best. And I'd agree with them. We all know Harang's gone next season, but you don't diss his years of service here just as we finally may be reaching the promised land. Cold is exactly the word for it.

redsmetz
09-11-2010, 07:29 AM
Wow, reading some of the arguments towards the end. The most surprising (and I missed the originally comment) was Votto being afraid to hit, taking the HPB (does he really have a choice). But for a board where avoiding outs is the manta and a situation that moves the runner into scoring position with no one out, it would be a bit brainless for Votto to argue he wasn't hit. Take the base, that's what you're there for.

Folks, we're losing focus here, really. Unfortunate blown save (frustrating definitely), but we eked the win out which is what's important now particularly with the Cards losing. Closer to the goal no matter how ugly this one was.

membengal
09-11-2010, 07:46 AM
This thread gets the Will Ferrell "Oooooh, you're an ANGRY elf award":

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Qrssx2P656HrJM:http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CYLz7PuxcQ8/R2MJuk-nqEI/AAAAAAAAA0w/kdAFHWVQKXc/s1600/angry_elf.jpg&t=1

dsmith421
09-11-2010, 09:13 AM
Folks, we're losing focus here, really. Unfortunate blown save (frustrating definitely), but we eked the win out which is what's important now particularly with the Cards losing. Closer to the goal no matter how ugly this one was.

I will never understand why people choose to read game threads ex post facto and then complain about a lack of perspective by the posters involved. Of course there's a lack of perspective, the actual game is occurring. Furthermore, the majority of last night's game thread, particularly after the Coco choke-o, was gallows humor.

NJReds
09-11-2010, 09:45 AM
I will never understand why people choose to read game threads ex post facto and then complain about a lack of perspective by the posters involved. Of course there's a lack of perspective, the actual game is occurring. Furthermore, the majority of last night's game thread, particularly after the Coco choke-o, was gallows humor.

- Coco blows a save by allowing four hits to the five batters he faces
- From the 3rd inning to the 11th inning the Reds offense managed 1 hit and K'd 10 times
- Maholm had allowed 15 runs in his previous 7 innings before befuddling the Reds.
- They make Mr. DFA ... Chan Ho Park ... look like Mariano Rivera

I understand why the posters were frustrated last night.

HokieRed
09-11-2010, 09:50 AM
Just a comment on Harang. Not only would it be cold to drop him, but, IMO, premature. Even if he does no more the rest of the way than mop-up a couple of times we get blown out, those are multiple innings not on the other arms. This team's in no position yet to drop anybody who resembles a starting pitcher.

Sea Ray
09-11-2010, 09:55 AM
Maholm has always had the Reds number. I feel fortunate that we won a game he started, his stats vs other teams notwithstanding

traderumor
09-11-2010, 12:30 PM
- Coco blows a save by allowing four hits to the five batters he faces
- From the 3rd inning to the 11th inning the Reds offense managed 1 hit and K'd 10 times
- Maholm had allowed 15 runs in his previous 7 innings before befuddling the Reds.
- They make Mr. DFA ... Chan Ho Park ... look like Mariano Rivera

I understand why the posters were frustrated last night.

I don't. Kind of thing happens all the time. It's a long season and night to night some guys you don't expect to get the job done do and some you expect to get the job done don't. Any one game in MLB is probably about the hardest thing in the major sports to predict, which is something that keeps me coming back for more. Sure it can be frustrating when guys perform outside their norms, but I really do not understand why people don't get that on a nightly basis, there is little predictability to an MLB game.

membengal
09-11-2010, 02:02 PM
That got out of hand fast! Brock killed a man with a trident!

LoganBuck
09-11-2010, 02:20 PM
Do U have any idea how stupid this makes U sound....?

The beginning of that at bat was worse than the previous at bat that Rolen looked terrible on.

Furthermore, I was baiting fate. I knew it when I posted it. Kind of a "come on Rolen shut LoganBuck up thing". If you read back further to the ninth when he came up you will see me urging Rolen on.

redsmetz
09-11-2010, 02:51 PM
I will never understand why people choose to read game threads ex post facto and then complain about a lack of perspective by the posters involved. Of course there's a lack of perspective, the actual game is occurring. Furthermore, the majority of last night's game thread, particularly after the Coco choke-o, was gallows humor.

I said up front I had read the entire thread, but I just went back to read the original post about Votto getting it. The poster said:


Has anyone ever seen a whole team choke like this? I mean our "mvp" candidate doesn't get hit in the arm and yet he is so scared he sprints to 1b and pretends to be hit.

How has nobody mentioned that our best hitter was scared to hit?

I stand by my critique. That was an absurd statement. Base runners, no matter how they come about, are essential. Having two on with no out, moving a runner up to scoring position, is critical. We're sweating every pitch of every game. I understand that. I turned the game off last night and lamented to my wife, "we're going to blow this, aren't we?" - so I understand the frustration.

But it's not gutless to take a base. It's imperative. It was just a silly statement.

SirFelixCat
09-11-2010, 03:12 PM
Re: dropping Harang, you've set best. And I'd agree with them. We all know Harang's gone next season, but you don't diss his years of service here just as we finally may be reaching the promised land. Cold is exactly the word for it.

Totally agree w/ this. I think that would not only be beyond cold, but I think that could, potentially, hurt the Reds, long-term in regards to getting players to come here.