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Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 03:00 PM
Phillips 4
Cabrera 6
Votto 3
Rolen 5
Gomes 7
Bruce 9
Stubbs 8
Hernandez 2
Wood 1

Personally, I'd go with:

Bruce 9
Cabrera 6
Votto 3
Rolen 5
Gomes 7
Hernandez 2
Stubbs 8
Valaika 4
Pitcher 1

I may do some PBP

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Captain Hook
09-14-2010, 04:01 PM
There might not of been much doubt but I'm really happy to see Bruce in there again.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 05:57 PM
“But then he hit that rocket in his last at-bat,” Baker said. “He’s so valuable on defense. He can do a lot of things to help us without hitting.”

1st place or not, it's comments like this that make me want to throw Dusty in the Ohio River.

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Cedric
09-14-2010, 06:02 PM
1st place or not, it's comments like this that make me want to throw Dusty in the Ohio River.

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Calm down young man :)

You would have wanted to toss Boone, Narron, and Miley into the river every night.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 06:07 PM
1st place or not, it's comments like this that make me want to throw Dusty in the Ohio River.

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Why? Yes Brandon has struggled lately. But he IS bound to snap out of it sooner or later. And we certainly need him to. And again, Dusty's correct...he could indeed go 0 for 4 and still be an asset on the field. Dusty's certainly been known to make some rather bone-headed remarks...but I don't see it with this one.

Homer Bailey
09-14-2010, 06:09 PM
1st place or not, it's comments like this that make me want to throw Dusty in the Ohio River.

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I'm assuming that comment was about Phillips.

So you want to throw Dusty in the river for recognizing how important Phillips' defense is?

Seems reasonable.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 06:18 PM
I'm assuming that comment was about Phillips.

So you want to throw Dusty in the river for recognizing how important Phillips' defense is?

Seems reasonable.

Others have wanted to throw Dusty in the river for less, this seems like an improvement :)

VR
09-14-2010, 06:42 PM
I think he's bringing up Phillips tough spell of hitting to keep us from focusing on our #5 hitter, who has been worse in every facet, and provides exceptional negative value on defense.
Dusty is just a master of misdirection. :)

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 06:46 PM
My biggest problem is that him "hitting a rocket" was the difference between playing in his probably pain-induced slump again tonight, and getting a much-needed night off. And yes, it was about BP. Sorry for not making note of that.

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_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:00 PM
My biggest problem is that him "hitting a rocket" was the difference between playing in his probably pain-induced slump again tonight, and getting a much-needed night off. And yes, it was about BP. Sorry for not making note of that.

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He just had 6 days off about 2 weeks ago. His hand may be sore still, but I'm pretty sure he's well rested.

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 07:02 PM
By the way, Pujols has out of the lineup tonight with elbow soneness... FeLopez starting and playing 1st tonight.

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 07:05 PM
And, The 2011 schedule will be announced tonight at 8 PM.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:08 PM
I like listening to Jim Kelch...but I'm glad Marty's back tonight (he'd been off the last several games). I'd much rather listen to him. Growing up listening to him and Joe in my bedroom late at night (when I wasn't supposed to be), Marty IS Reds baseball to me in many ways. Games without Marty only serves to remind me how much I miss listening to Joe as well. *sigh*

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:10 PM
And this game is underway. Still love hearing that after all these years.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:10 PM
We are go
Abreu up

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_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:10 PM
Let's go Travis...throw strikes.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 07:11 PM
Abreu lines a single to center.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:11 PM
No perfecto tonight for Wood. Single for Abreu.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:11 PM
1B
Runner on 1st
0 out
Upton up

I"ll have the lineup in a second.

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Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 07:12 PM
Nice play by Rolen.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:12 PM
MLB network threatening to turn into ESPN. They're showing the Yankees vs Rays AGAIN tonight. 2 nights in a row. Come ON!

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 07:13 PM
MLB network threatening to turn into ESPN. They're showing the Yankees vs Rays AGAIN tonight. 2 nights in a row. Come ON!

I can see where they are going with that... Those 2 teams are very very very very good and are separated by what? 1 game?

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:13 PM
SB 5-3
1B->2B/ Abreu
Runner on 2nd
1 out
Young up

Abreu 4
Upton 9
Young 8
LaRoche 3
Reynolds 5
Ryal 7
Hester 2
Ojeda 6
Hudson 1

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Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:13 PM
I can see where they are going with that... Those 2 teams are very very very very good and are separated by what? 1 game?

1/2 game, I think.

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_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:13 PM
I can see where they are going with that... Those 2 teams are very very very very good and are separated by what? 1 game?

Yeah, I know...but there are OTHER races going on too. And I'm not even talking about the Reds. Heck, Twinkies & Pale Hose are playing too.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:14 PM
Kc
2 out
Runner on 2nd
LaRoche up

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Tornon
09-14-2010, 07:14 PM
Yeah, I know...but there are OTHER races going on too. And I'm not even talking about the Reds.

But there are no other contender vs. contender games

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 07:15 PM
Yeah, I know...but there are OTHER races going on too. And I'm not even talking about the Reds.

True, but at the 7 PM start time? Now at 8:40 for the Rox/SD set thats a different story... But at 7 PM there aint a better game them to show.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:15 PM
Young


Ryal Upton


Ojeda Abreu


Reynolds Hudson LaRoche


Hester

9
3 out
Top of 1st over
Phillips up

0-0

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_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:15 PM
But there are no other contender vs. contender games

Twins / White Sox?

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 07:17 PM
Twins / White Sox?

6 game spread and starts at 8:10.

Cedric
09-14-2010, 07:18 PM
Phillips grimaced in pain twice during that at bat. I'm really stunned they keep playing him with that hand problem.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:18 PM
Ks
1 out
Cabrera up

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_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:18 PM
6 game spread and starts at 8:10.

Okay, okay....I just get irritated and tired of seeing Boston & the Yankees all the freaking time. Oh well.

Phillips K's btw.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:20 PM
9
2 out
Votto up

Since I already posted the D'Backs defense :doh:, here's the Reds:


Stubbs


Gomes Bruce


Cabrera Phillips


Rolen Wood Votto


Hernandez

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RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 07:20 PM
Okay, okay....I just get irritated and tired of seeing Boston & the Yankees all the freaking time. Oh well.

Phillips K's btw.

I hear yah... But, if the Reds were off/not on TV that would be one of the times I'd watch the Yankees.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 07:20 PM
Phillips grimaced in pain twice during that at bat. I'm really stunned they keep playing him with that hand problem.

I kind of agree with 320 here. Phillips is clearly hurting, as you're alluding to. They need to get him rested up and healthy. I'd rather take the chance the Reds lose a game or two without him than have him 70% (or whatever he is) in the playoffs.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 07:21 PM
The Reds need an equation to solve for this Hudson kid. He has their number.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:21 PM
7
3 out
Bottom of 1st over
Reynolds up

0-0

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Tornon
09-14-2010, 07:22 PM
The Reds need an equation to solve for this Hudson kid. He has their number.

He's had everyone's number since he came over. I think his worst start was against the Reds last time he faced them

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:23 PM
I hear yah... But, if the Reds were off/not on TV that would be one of the times I'd watch the Yankees.

Well, for some of us...the Reds are NOT on TV. For me, I get the Astros or whatever ESPN/MLB Network tosses me...which more often than not is Bos/NY. Oh well. I'll drop it.

Joey needs to get hot pretty soon if he wants a shot at the triple crown still. That BA title is slowly slipping out of his reach.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 07:25 PM
He's had everyone's number since he came over. I think his worst start was against the Reds last time he faced them

True, he's pitched well against everyone since being traded. However, the Reds have the distinction of being the only one he struck out 10 against :)

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 07:25 PM
193 Ks by Reynolds this year.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:25 PM
Kc
1 out
Ryal up

BTW, I'll do PBP for 3 innings.

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Tornon
09-14-2010, 07:25 PM
True, he's pitched well against everyone since being traded. However, the Reds have the distinction of being the only one he struck out 10 against :)

I'll take the 10 strikeouts if it means we can get 3 runs again

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:25 PM
KK

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:26 PM
Single to left for Ryal.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:26 PM
1B
Runner on 1st
1 out
Hester up

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Oxilon
09-14-2010, 07:26 PM
"Jonny Gomes hasn't gotten enough credit for the good defense he's had this year."
-Chris Welsh

:rolleyes:

Brutus
09-14-2010, 07:27 PM
I'll take the 10 strikeouts if it means we can get 3 runs again

Make it 4 or 5 and you have a deal.

Tornon
09-14-2010, 07:28 PM
Make it 4 or 5 and you have a deal.

We can't get greedy here. And we do have Wood pitching

Brutus
09-14-2010, 07:28 PM
We can't get greedy here. And we do have Wood pitching

We've seen the affects of scoring just 3 runs recently.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:28 PM
KK +1 More

I ain't goin' there.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 07:28 PM
3 Ks for Wood. All have struck out looking.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:29 PM
Kc
2 out
Runner on 1st
Ojeda up

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_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:29 PM
Liner at Rolen to end the inning.

2 hits, 3 k's, 26 pitches. So far so good. Just gotta get the bats warmed up. Need hats for bats.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:29 PM
5
3 out
Top of 2nd over
Rolen up

0-0

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Homer's Ghost
09-14-2010, 07:30 PM
Wow somebody actually wants Valaika in the lineup over Phillips?

PuffyPig
09-14-2010, 07:33 PM
True, he's pitched well against everyone since being traded. However, the Reds have the distinction of being the only one he struck out 10 against :)

True, but he's struck out 9 twice, and we are only team to beat him.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:33 PM
8
1 out
Gomes up

1B
Runner on 1st
1 out
Bruce up

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Homer Bailey
09-14-2010, 07:34 PM
Gameday has Rolen's fly out at the wall?

Tornon
09-14-2010, 07:34 PM
Gameday has Rolen's fly out at the wall?

Not quite that far, but it was fairly well struck

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 07:34 PM
Gameday has Rolen's fly out at the wall?

10 or so ft from the wall.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 07:34 PM
Wow somebody actually wants Valaika in the lineup over Phillips?

Given the way Valaika was hitting when he was in the lineup, and the way Phillips is not with his injury, isn't that reasonable? No one wants him in there permanently, just until Phillips is healed (and it doesn't look like he is yet).

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:35 PM
DP 3-6-1
DP9 3-6-1 (2)/ Gomes
3 out
Bottom of 2nd over
Hudson up

0-0

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RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 07:35 PM
I dunno if the 1st basemen stayed on the bag when he picked up the ball on that Bruce line out.

TheNext44
09-14-2010, 07:36 PM
That was a bizarre play. What exactly happened? Why didn't Gomes keep running to second?

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:38 PM
6-3
1 out
Aberu up

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RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 07:38 PM
That was a bizarre play. What exactly happened? Why didn't Gomes keep running to second?

Bruce hit a screamer at the 1st basemen and he caught it and dropped it and kicked it around...

Think it was one of those, hits and you break and go "Oh Crap!" and break back to the base and he dropped it...

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:39 PM
KKKK

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 07:39 PM
4 Ks. All looking. Wood has great location on his pitches tonight on the outside corner.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:39 PM
Kc
2 out
Upton up

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_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:40 PM
What the heck is all over Wood's cap? Yuck.

TheNext44
09-14-2010, 07:41 PM
Bruce hit a screamer at the 1st basemen and he caught it and dropped it and kicked it around...

Think it was one of those, hits and you break and go "Oh Crap!" and break back to the base and he dropped it...

Thanks.

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 07:41 PM
What the heck is all over Wood's cap? Yuck.

Probably a sweat ring... ?

TheNext44
09-14-2010, 07:42 PM
What the heck is all over Wood's cap? Yuck.

Maybe Bronson was giving him a few tips ;)

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 07:42 PM
5 Ks.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:42 PM
KKKKK

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:42 PM
Ks
3 out
Top of 3rd over
Stubbs up

0-0

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GOYA
09-14-2010, 07:43 PM
What the heck is all over Wood's cap? Yuck.

Looks like salt.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:45 PM
I was thinking from the rosin bag...but it's not. Weird.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:45 PM
Is it just me, or does Drew hit more balls to dead center than anyone in the history of the game. Sheesh.

Homer's Ghost
09-14-2010, 07:46 PM
As somebody who sweats like a pig, those are definatley sweat stains on his hat.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:47 PM
Razor K's looking. It's contagious.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:47 PM
8
1 out
Hernandez up

Kc
2 out
Wood up

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_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:47 PM
TRAVIS!!! Double down the lf line.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 07:48 PM
Wood doubles to left.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:48 PM
2B
Runner on 2nd
2 out
Phillips up

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_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:48 PM
That's just a really solid looking swing. Pitcher or not.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 07:48 PM
The Reds sure have had some pitchers that can swing the bat the last few years.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:50 PM
Dicey throw there...but Phillips is gone (grounder to 3rd). No score after 3.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 07:50 PM
5-3
3 out
Bottom of 3rd over
Young up

0-0

I'm out. Later,

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Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 07:51 PM
They need to get Phillips out of the leadoff position hitting .149 with an OBP of .216 this month.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 07:53 PM
Lead off single for Young to right.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 07:53 PM
LaRoche bloop single to center.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 07:55 PM
Reynolds singles to left. 1-0 Dbacks. 1st and 2nd.

Cedric
09-14-2010, 07:56 PM
0-2 on Mark Reynolds... That was a terrible pitch.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 07:57 PM
6 Ks for Wood. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 07:59 PM
Hester lines a single to center. Bases loaded.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 08:00 PM
This is a paramount time for a 6-4-3 job or some other variation.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:01 PM
Ojeda strikes out looking. 7 Ks. 2 outs.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 08:01 PM
Big K.

Now just get this one last out.

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 08:01 PM
Next season will open up on a Thursday.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:01 PM
Hudson singles to right. Runner thrown out at 3rd. 2-0 Dbacks mid 4th.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:03 PM
Next season will open up on a Thursday.Are the Reds opening earlier than other teams because I thought everyone was starting on Friday next year.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 08:03 PM
Anyone know the opposing pitchers' batting average this season against the Reds, relative to the rest of the league?

That was a big play by Bruce. 2-0 will be hard to make up against Hudson, but 3-0 would have been much worse, let alone 4-0 or 5-0.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:03 PM
My internet connection dies and we're down 2-0. I blame Comcast.

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 08:03 PM
JimDayTV

Opener will be on Thurs vs Milw, off day on Fri, play Milw sat/sun to open season.


JimDayTV

Reds open season on Thurs March 31 next yr, will host Yankees for three, go to Baltimore finally, 3, 3 city road trips, end the season on rd

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:04 PM
Anyone know the opposing pitchers' batting average this season against the Reds, relative to the rest of the league?

That was a big play by Bruce. 2-0 will be hard to make up against Hudson, but 3-0 would have been much worse, let alone 4-0 or 5-0.

It has to be high. I have never seen a year where more opposing pitchers get hits than this year.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:05 PM
That's the way to get it started. Leadoff double from Cabrera.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:05 PM
I am sure the Reds wanted to keep that off day between opening day and the 2nd game in case of a rainout.

Cabrera dobles to left center.

Kc61
09-14-2010, 08:06 PM
It has to be high. I have never seen a year where more opposing pitchers get hits than this year.


Also, it seems like a lot of 0-2 pitches going for base hits. Wood seems incapable tonight of throwing something out of the zone.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:07 PM
Votto grounds out to short. Cabrera has to stay at 2nd.

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 08:07 PM
I haven't been able to find any other information about next year... I've seen no links.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:07 PM
This would be a good time for #20 Scott.

Redsfan320
09-14-2010, 08:08 PM
The Schedule (http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=cin&m=4&y=2011)

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Homer Bailey
09-14-2010, 08:09 PM
LOL. I was jacked to have the season start on Friday so we wouldn't have that dreaded day 2 with no game, and of course we have it.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:09 PM
The Schedule (http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=cin&m=4&y=2011)

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Interesting this year we had no west coast road trip until August. Next year we have one right away as the first road trip.

Interleague we have the 2 Cleveland series home and away, Toronto and the Yankees at home and Tampa Bay and Baltimore on the road.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 08:10 PM
I haven't been able to find any other information about next year... I've seen no links.

AP reporting Cin-Mil is first game of the year with 4 other games on Thursday. The rest begin on Friday

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:10 PM
Rolen walks.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:10 PM
This kid's got a really nice change. Solid.

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 08:10 PM
Interesting this year we had no west coast road trip until August. Next year we have one right away as the first road trip.

And we get all the games out of the way with DBacks in 2 weeks in April. lol

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:10 PM
Keeping with today's theme. What's that crap on Jonny's helmet? Yuck. :O)

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:12 PM
Gomes strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 08:12 PM
And leading up to the ASB Next year... The final 6 games STL and MIL and the 1st 3 games right after the back STL.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:12 PM
Gomes looked like a little leaguer there.

Homer Bailey
09-14-2010, 08:13 PM
Phew. I don't follow the American league closely, but it's a good thing we get the expansion Devil Rays next year!

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:14 PM
Heck of a block there by the D-back catcher.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:15 PM
Jay flies out to center. 2-0 Snakes after 4.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 08:16 PM
We may look at that inning later and regret it. Getting nothing out of that is very disappointing. They're not getting many runners against Hudson, so they need to cash in on the ones they do get.

Raisor
09-14-2010, 08:16 PM
Bruce is lulling the enemy into a false sense of security.

I won't be doing PBP again, by the way.

Kc61
09-14-2010, 08:17 PM
Pujols not playing in the Cards game tonight. About to start.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 08:18 PM
I won't be doing PBP again, by the way.

You went and got our hopes up.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:18 PM
Abreu shoots one over Stubbs head. Double.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:18 PM
Abreu doubles off the wall in center.

Cedric
09-14-2010, 08:19 PM
Wood isn't fooling anyone. Mark Reynolds might have saved a huge inning.

6 out of the last 7 have gotten a hit including the pitcher.

Raisor
09-14-2010, 08:20 PM
You went and got our hopes up.

sorry.

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 08:20 PM
Okay - these wind jokes about the DBacks strike out so much are getting old.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:23 PM
Upton singles to center. 10 pitch AB. 3-0 Dbacks.

Kc61
09-14-2010, 08:23 PM
Time for the bullpen to get ready. Wood can't get anybody out right now.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 08:24 PM
Time for the bullpen to get ready. Wood can't get anybody out right now.

Sometimes I wonder if you don't start your bullpens warming up in the 2nd inning.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:25 PM
Young flies out to right. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:26 PM
Fisher and LeCure warming up.

Kc61
09-14-2010, 08:26 PM
Sometimes I wonder if you don't start your bullpens warming up in the 2nd inning.

Only when the starter is getting hit hard with a few weeks to go in a pennant race. I'd have a quick hook then, yes.

Dusty agrees tonight. Fisher and Lecure warming.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:27 PM
LaRoche flies out to center. 2 outs.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 08:27 PM
Only when the starter is getting hit hard with a few weeks to go in a pennant race. I'd have a quick hook then, yes.

Dusty agrees tonight. Fisher and Lecure warming.

I agree at this point, but some of your other calls for the pen have been extremely premature.

I think the quick hook is often a mistake, especially when a guy has been having a great game. Clearly Wood is getting hit now, so I think it's time to plan for other alternatives if the Reds want to stay in this game.

Homer Bailey
09-14-2010, 08:28 PM
Gameday has it basically over the wall?

Brutus
09-14-2010, 08:28 PM
Gameday has it basically over the wall?

30 feet over :D

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:28 PM
Gameday has it basically over the wall?

Wasn't even close to the track. Someone is way off tonight.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:29 PM
30 feet over :D

The wind is blowing in. It was over...blown back. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:30 PM
KKKKKKKK

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:30 PM
Reynolds strikes out swinging. 8 Ks for Wood and 194 for Reynolds this year. 3-0 Dbacks mid 5th.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:33 PM
Stubbs strikes out looking. 1 out.

Kc61
09-14-2010, 08:33 PM
I agree at this point, but some of your other calls for the pen have been extremely premature.

I think the quick hook is often a mistake, especially when a guy has been having a great game. Clearly Wood is getting hit now, so I think it's time to plan for other alternatives if the Reds want to stay in this game.

I don't think my calls have been premature at all. Up until the last few days I think Dusty has been too patient with his starting pitchers. And he hasn't seemed to be prepared with bullpenners when guys go bad in about the sixth inning.

In the last few days, I think Dusty has done much better, has managed like it's a pennant race. He's used his pen well, except of course for some overreliance on Cordero.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 08:34 PM
Well it's clear these guys ain't denting the plate tonight against Hudson. Go get 'em tomorrow. :)

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:34 PM
Hernandez grounds out to 3rd. 2 outs.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 08:35 PM
I don't think my calls have been premature at all. Up until the last few days I think Dusty has been too patient with his starting pitchers. And he hasn't seemed to be prepared with bullpenners when guys go bad in about the sixth inning.

In the last few days, I think Dusty has done much better, has managed like it's a pennant race. He's used his pen well, except of course for some overreliance on Cordero.

Uh and you saw what using the bullpen did against Pittsburgh. That's the point... having a quick hook in a pennant race is NOT always the right answer. You sometimes have to use the judgment to stick with a starting pitcher through a rough patch because there's no guarantee the replacement will come in and do better. There's no guarantee he'll even do as good.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:36 PM
Alonso hitting for Wood

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:36 PM
Smokes a liner to center.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:36 PM
Alonso lines a single to center.

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 08:36 PM
Smokes a liner to center.

Someone teach him to play LF or 3rd....

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:37 PM
Wood tonight: 5IP, 9H, 3ER, 0BB, 8K.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 08:38 PM
What on earth is he swinging at? Geez Brandon.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:38 PM
Cubs up 2-0 on the Cards in the 2nd.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:38 PM
Phillips k's. 5 for Hudson. Kid looks really good.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:39 PM
Phillip strikes out swinging. 3-0 Dbacks after 5.

Kc61
09-14-2010, 08:39 PM
Uh and you saw what using the bullpen did against Pittsburgh. That's the point... having a quick hook in a pennant race is NOT always the right answer. You sometimes have to use the judgment to stick with a starting pitcher through a rough patch because there's no guarantee the replacement will come in and do better. There's no guarantee he'll even do as good.

Obviously. But there are reasons to be patient in April and May that don't pertain in a pennant race.

Now is not the time for confidence building. Nor is it the time to preserve the pen. When a guy falters, or when it appears he's losing something, you don't hesitate to make a move.

Reds now have a deep pen. Of course, there's no guarantee the pen will succeed. But my philosophy in stretch run games is to go to the pen.

I would feel differently if the Reds had a Halliday or similar type pitcher. I would stick with guys like that longer.

alloverjr
09-14-2010, 08:39 PM
Offensive liability.

Cedric
09-14-2010, 08:40 PM
Offensive liability.

I've pinpointed Brandon as the best player to trade this off season. Hopefully he doesn't fold up so bad he isn't shiny to anyone anymore.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 08:40 PM
Obviously. But there are reasons to be patient in April and May that don't pertain in a pennant race.

Now is not the time for confidence building. Nor is it the time to preserve the pen. When a guy falters, or when it appears he's losing something, you don't hesitate to make a move.

Reds now have a deep pen. Of course, there's no guarantee the pen will succeed. But my philosophy in stretch run games is to go to the pen.

I would feel differently if the Reds had a Halliday or similar type pitcher. I would stick with guys like that longer.

This isn't about confidence or preservation. It's about not overreacting everytime someone gets into trouble. This is Major League baseball. No matter how good you are, you're going to run into spurts where the other team hits you. You can't go yanking a starter in the name of a pennant race at the first sign of trouble.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 08:41 PM
I've pinpointed Brandon as the best player to trade this off season. Hopefully he doesn't fold up so bad he isn't shiny to anyone anymore.

The problem is he's not healed. Ever since that injury, which it was admitted when he came back he wasn't 100%, he's been awful.

They need to rest him however long it takes to get better so he can be productive again.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:41 PM
LeCure in

Kc61
09-14-2010, 08:42 PM
This isn't about confidence or preservation. It's about not overreacting everytime someone gets into trouble. This is Major League baseball. No matter how good you are, you're going to run into spurts where the other team hits you. You can't go yanking a starter in the name of a pennant race at the first sign of trouble.

Depends on the situation of course.

Similarly, I favored sticking with Cueto beyong 120 pitches the other night. He was a hot pitcher, showed no signs of weakening.

Really the same philosophy. The normal rules of pitching usage don't apply in these games.

Stick with hot starters longer. Go to the pen early when a guy falters or appears to be losing it.

Just my philosophy, feel free to disagree, as you seem to.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:42 PM
Parra grounds to Phillips. 1 down.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:42 PM
Parra hitting for Ryal and grounds out to 2nd.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:43 PM
Hester with a double to the corner.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:43 PM
Hester doubles to the wall in left.

Kc61
09-14-2010, 08:44 PM
Cubs up two zip in the second inning. So there's that.

alloverjr
09-14-2010, 08:47 PM
Someone teach him to play LF or 3rd....

He certainly seems to be ready with the bat. If he can't play LF he'll be gone. No reason to keep him in the minors and not trade him for a position of need. I'd like to know how bad he was in LF and how long a look he actually got. ABG.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:48 PM
I still think we get to them. It's far from over.

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 08:49 PM
He certainly seems to be ready with the bat. If he can't play LF he'll be gone. No reason to keep him in the minors and not trade him for a position of need. I'd like to know how bad he was in LF and how long a look he actually got. ABG.

I've heard/read about 30 games this year off and on....

And I wonder what makes it a failed experiment?

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:50 PM
Boy, Cabrera seems to do that a LOT. Dives out like it's going to hit him....called strike.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:50 PM
Cabrera flies out to center. 1 out.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:51 PM
Votto smashes one to first....2 down.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:51 PM
Votto grounds out to 1st. 2 outs.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:52 PM
Rolen K's. Hudson is CRUISING.

Rolen staring down Hudson as he quickly walks off the mound.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:53 PM
Rolen strikes out swinging. 9 pitch inning. 3-0 Dbacks after 6.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 08:53 PM
16 strikeouts in 2 games against the Reds.

Kc61
09-14-2010, 08:54 PM
Cubs with man on second, one out in the third inning. Lead the Cards by two.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:55 PM
Cubs with man on second, one out in the third inning. Lead the Cards by two.

It's pretty much to the point in the season to not worry about what the Cards are doing. Our main focus should be what the Reds are doing. I want them going strong towards the end of the season...not limping.

(not directed at you Kc...just a general observation)

Kc61
09-14-2010, 08:56 PM
It's pretty much to the point in the season to not worry about what the Cards are doing. Our main focus should be what the Reds are doing. I want them going strong towards the end of the season...not limping.

(not directed at you Kc...just a general observation)


You're probably right.

But Cubs score, 3-0.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:56 PM
Abreu lines out to 1st.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 08:58 PM
Phillips flashes the leather!

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 08:58 PM
Great play by Phillips. 2 outs.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 09:00 PM
Sam looking good. K to end the inning.

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 09:00 PM
Mr. LeCure! welcome back bud!

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:00 PM
Young strikes out swiging. 3-0 Dbacks mid 7th.

BCubb2003
09-14-2010, 09:01 PM
There's one camera Fox uses for replays that seems to be sped up. The movements are jerky like an old silent movie. Or is it just me?

BCubb2003
09-14-2010, 09:02 PM
Double post.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:05 PM
Gomes flies out to center.

Bruce strikes out swinging. 7 Ks for Hudson.

The Operator
09-14-2010, 09:06 PM
This offense is bad right now.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:06 PM
Stubbs strikes out swinging. 8 Ks. 3-0 Dbacks after 7.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 09:06 PM
*sigh* Well, that was quick.

Tornon
09-14-2010, 09:07 PM
This offense is bad right now.

I think it's alright to have an off-night against a guy that's dominated everybody else too

Kc61
09-14-2010, 09:08 PM
Cards trail by three, through three innings.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 09:08 PM
I think it's alright to have an off-night against a guy that's dominated everybody else too

Yep. This game isn't an example of our offense...it's an example of how good Hudson is doing right now.

Heath
09-14-2010, 09:09 PM
I think it's alright to have an off-night against a guy that's dominated everybody else too

Quit speaking truth. It will get you in trouble, boy.

;)

RedsMan3203
09-14-2010, 09:09 PM
Chris and Thom are talking about kissing their dogs...

Matt700wlw
09-14-2010, 09:11 PM
3-0 Cubs

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:11 PM
LaRoche flies out to the track in left.

Tornon
09-14-2010, 09:12 PM
The Yankees just gave up 7 to the Rays in the 5th and have blown a 6-0 lead

The Operator
09-14-2010, 09:12 PM
I know Hudson is a promising pitcher, it's just depressing how, err, "asleep" the bats have been lately. Perhaps we need hats for them. Keep them warm?

Tornon
09-14-2010, 09:12 PM
I know Hudson is a promising pitcher, it's just depressing how, err, "asleep" the bats have been lately. Perhaps we need hats for them. Keep them warm?

My guess is they just need a nice dose of Joe Saunders

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:13 PM
Reynolds strikes out swinging again. 2 outs.

The Operator
09-14-2010, 09:13 PM
The Yankees just gave up 7 to the Rays in the 5th and have blown a 6-0 leadOh, that NY media will be letting Girardi have it. They were all over him for his handling of the bullpen last night.

Tornon
09-14-2010, 09:14 PM
4-0 Cubs on another Randy Wells base hit

The Operator
09-14-2010, 09:15 PM
4-0 Cubs on another Randy Wells base hitWainwright is literally torpedoing his case for a Cy Young.

Matt700wlw
09-14-2010, 09:15 PM
Harang warming in the bullpen

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:15 PM
Parra walks.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:16 PM
Wainwright is literally torpedoing his case for a Cy Young.

I think there must be something physically wrong with Wainwright he is just not the same pitcher over the last month.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:16 PM
Parra steals 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:18 PM
Trainer coming out to check LeCure.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 09:18 PM
LeCure may have pulled his groin or something.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 09:19 PM
Hopefully just his cup slipped. They're leaving him out there.

Matt700wlw
09-14-2010, 09:20 PM
Apparanely Wainwright said he would not lose a game the rest of the season after the Reds beat him.


Tonight would be a good time for the Cubs to do something meaningful

Matt700wlw
09-14-2010, 09:20 PM
Apparanely Wainwright said he would not lose a game the rest of the season after the Reds beat him.


Tonight would be a good time for the Cubs to do something meaningful

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 09:20 PM
K to end the inning. Really nice outing by LeCure.

alloverjr
09-14-2010, 09:21 PM
Kid just continues to get people out.

Tornon
09-14-2010, 09:21 PM
Pray they went to the bullpen

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:21 PM
Hester strikes out swinging. 4 Ks for LeCure. 3-0 Dbacks mid 8th.

alloverjr
09-14-2010, 09:21 PM
Pray they went to the bullpen

No one was warming.

Tornon
09-14-2010, 09:21 PM
5-0 Cubs on a DeWitt single

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 09:23 PM
Razor grounds out for out #1

The Operator
09-14-2010, 09:24 PM
Please make him work this inning, boys.

That's not what I had in mind, Ramon. 1 out.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 09:24 PM
Francisco ph'ing

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:24 PM
Francisco hitting for LeCure

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:24 PM
Now 5-0 Cubs in the 4th.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 09:24 PM
Huge swing....little nubber. Ground out to 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:25 PM
Francisco grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

Brutus
09-14-2010, 09:25 PM
The Reds have pretty much gone 2 pitches all night long.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:25 PM
Hudson is at 103 pitches

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 09:27 PM
Cutting the Reds up like a surgeon.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:27 PM
Phillips grounds out to short. 3-0 Dbacks after 8.

oneupper
09-14-2010, 09:28 PM
Phillips did not want to walk there.

alloverjr
09-14-2010, 09:28 PM
Phillips swings at ball 4 and misses, then hits a 5 hopper to short. At least he hit a ball hard his last AB last night!

Degenerate39
09-14-2010, 09:29 PM
Harang pitching

Tornon
09-14-2010, 09:29 PM
Hudson looks to be done

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2010, 09:31 PM
Ojeda walks.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2010, 09:31 PM
Walk. Harang getting booed. Shame on you reds fans.

dsmith421
09-14-2010, 09:31 PM
Phillips needs a day off, or an exorcism.