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Redsfan320
09-22-2010, 10:16 PM
Let's continue here, the other one's over 1K posts. Can't close the thread due to my lack of physical mod powers, but thought I'd channel my inner mod. ;)

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Brutus
09-22-2010, 10:17 PM
Let's continue here, the other one's over 1K posts. Can't close the thread due to my lack of physical mod powers, but thought I'd channel my inner mod. ;)

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MODS can we PLEASE combine these threads? Thanks

(sorry 320, I really couldn't resist brotha!)

RedEye
09-22-2010, 10:52 PM
Whoops. Talk about a discussion killer. Oh well, Brutus--I think we said what we needed to say. So... Jay Bruce. I hear that kid's pretty good!:)

Brutus
09-22-2010, 10:54 PM
Whoops. Talk about a discussion killer. Oh well, Brutus--I think we said what we needed to say. So... Jay Bruce. I hear that kid's pretty good!:)

Yeah it's all good. We left at a good stopping point.

Griffey012
09-22-2010, 10:56 PM
They don't call him "Tha Deal" for no reason!

Redsfan320
09-22-2010, 11:02 PM
MODS can we PLEASE combine these threads? Thanks

(sorry 320, I really couldn't resist brotha!)

:laugh: You forgot to go all caps on the THANKS. :laugh:

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dougdirt
09-24-2010, 05:37 PM
The Cincinnati Enquirer makes my head hurt. On the front page of their website today is a 'Jay Bruce Quiz'.

This is the first question:
Four days after making his major league debut, Jay Bruce celebrated which birthday?

The answers you get to choose from are: 20, 21, 23 and 25.

The problem is, none of them are correct. Bruce turned 21 on April 3rd, 2008. He didn't debut until May 27th, 2008, almost two full months past his 21st birthday (which was the "correct" answer).

Brutus
09-24-2010, 06:02 PM
The Cincinnati Enquirer makes my head hurt. On the front page of their website today is a 'Jay Bruce Quiz'.

This is the first question:
Four days after making his major league debut, Jay Bruce celebrated which birthday?

The answers you get to choose from are: 20, 21, 23 and 25.

The problem is, none of them are correct. Bruce turned 21 on April 3rd, 2008. He didn't debut until May 27th, 2008, almost two full months past his 21st birthday (which was the "correct" answer).

The key word is "celebrated." Perhaps he was thrown a belated birthday party some 50 days later? heh

Chip R
09-28-2010, 11:14 PM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/0d/fullj.86a8687d097a97b5313f6e9c3be9152d/86a8687d097a97b5313f6e9c3be9152d-getty-95688665jr004_astros_reds.jpg

reds44
09-28-2010, 11:17 PM
I think they need to send him and Stubbs to AAA. Where is Chris Dickerson? :)

Brutus
09-28-2010, 11:49 PM
Everytime I see Jim Edmonds around Jay Bruce, I can't help but think he's totally relished being a mentor for Bruce. Tonight I saw several more shots where he was counseling Bruce and after the walk-off, he had a moment where he looked like a proud papa congratulating Jay.

The Operator
09-28-2010, 11:52 PM
Everytime I see Jim Edmonds around Jay Bruce, I can't help but think he's totally relished being a mentor for Bruce. Tonight I saw several more shots where he was counseling Bruce and after the walk-off, he had a moment where he looked like a proud papa congratulating Jay.If Bruce can put together a stretch for us even close to that of what Edmonds did in St. Louis from 2000-2005, brother, we're in business.

That Edmonds trade may turn out to be way, way more valuable than any stat sheet could ever hope to show.

Degenerate39
09-28-2010, 11:55 PM
Bruce's shot was the number 1 play on ESPN

Ron Madden
09-29-2010, 02:54 AM
I love Jay Bruce and always have.

How can we give Edmonds most of the credit every time Jay does something good but place all the blame on Jay when he makes an out? :confused:

Brutus
09-29-2010, 03:07 AM
I love Jay Bruce and always have.

How can we give Edmonds most of the credit every time Jay does something good but place all the blame on Jay when he makes an out? :confused:

No one is doing that. Just pointing out that it seems Edmonds has been a positive influence on him. I don't think that's deniable, at this point.

thatcoolguy_22
09-29-2010, 03:14 AM
Maybe Edmond's arrival coincided with Bruce discovering he can use chocolate milk instead of skim in his cereal. I agree that people are blowing Edmonds' influence way out of proportion. His ability to coach rivals the legend of Denorfia around here.

Brutus
09-29-2010, 03:29 AM
Maybe Edmond's arrival coincided with Bruce discovering he can use chocolate milk instead of skim in his cereal. I agree that people are blowing Edmonds' influence way out of proportion. His ability to coach rivals the legend of Denorfia around here.

Bruce himself has said that Edmonds helped him stay back and not be so jumpy. I really don't think it's any coincidence that Bruce has thrived since Edmonds got to town.

Bruce is the one swinging the bat. He has the talent. But I think it's clear Edmonds has had a tremendous influence on him thus far.

Ron Madden
09-29-2010, 03:33 AM
Maybe Edmond's arrival coincided with Bruce discovering he can use chocolate milk instead of skim in his cereal. I agree that people are blowing Edmonds' influence way out of proportion. His ability to coach rivals the legend of Denorfia around here.

I agree.

It seems like every time Jay does something good there are a bunch of post saying "I saw Bruce talking to Edmonds in the dugout". It's fast becoming an urban legend.

I've seen Jay talking to everyone of his teammates in the dugout, that' what teammates do.

Brutus
09-29-2010, 03:36 AM
Hypothetical comment #1: Jim Edmonds is responsible for Jay Bruce coming on

Hypothetical comment #2: Jim Edmonds has had a positive influence on Jay Bruce

I think people should be able to recognize the difference in those types of statements. One is being mistaken for another in this thread.

The Operator
09-29-2010, 03:42 AM
Homer Bailey turned it on last year after learning the splitter from Justin Lehr, I believe. Of course, it was Homer who went out and mowed those teams, mostly The Pirates down, but it's perfectly fine to credit someone who helped out.

I realize Edmonds is a former hated rival, but when Jay Bruce came out and basically said Edmonds got him to step being jumpy at the plate, I'll take his word for it.

Topcat
09-29-2010, 03:45 AM
Homer Bailey turned it on last year after learning the splitter from Justin Lehr, I believe. Of course, it was Homer who went out and mowed those teams, mostly The Pirates down, but it's perfectly fine to credit someone who helped out.

I realize Edmonds is a former hated rival, but when Jay Bruce came out and basically said Edmonds got him to step being jumpy at the plate, I'll take his word for it.


If that is the case great.:thumbup:. I quite frankly do not care why lol. I am just so pleased that our beloved Reds have become relevant again :)
Bless You Boys!:beerme:

The Operator
09-29-2010, 03:47 AM
If that is the case great.:thumbup:. I quite frankly do not care why lol. I am just so pleased that our beloved Reds have become relevant again :)
Bless You Boys!:beerme:Can't argue with that! :) :thumbup:

Ron Madden
09-29-2010, 04:10 AM
Hypothetical comment #1: Jim Edmonds is responsible for Jay Bruce coming on

Hypothetical comment #2: Jim Edmonds has had a positive influence on Jay Bruce

I think people should be able to recognize the difference in those types of statements. One is being mistaken for another in this thread.

I'm sure Edmonds has given Bruce some advice or a few pointers. All I'm saying is I think it's all being overblown.

Sure he's going to say Edmonds advice helped him. He's not going to tell reporters no, he just said the same things I've been told for years.

Jay spent a lot of time talking to KGJ and Dunn in the dugout when he first came up, he started out like a house on fire. no reporter stuck a microphone in his face back then and ask him how they helped him.

I just believe this story is being exaggerated. (JMHO)

membengal
09-29-2010, 05:47 AM
This really bothered Bruce and he questioned Edmonds about it.
"Edmonds, you said that once I decided to follow you,
you would walk with me all the way,
but I have noticed that during the most troublesome times in my life
there is only one set of footprints.
"I don't understand why in times when I needed you most,
you should leave me."
Edmonds replied, "My precious, precious Jay,
You are my teammate and I would never, never leave you
during your times of trial and suffering.
"When you saw only one set of footprints,
it was then that I carried you."

membengal
09-29-2010, 06:31 AM
Bruce's stat line with five games to go:

.275/.346/.475 for a .821 OPS. 22 HR.

Nice year and given what he is doing against lefties now, a nice step forward for the 23-year-old.

RedsMan3203
09-29-2010, 07:06 AM
This just in... Jay Bruce is good!

nate
09-29-2010, 08:48 AM
Bruce's stat line with five games to go:

.275/.346/.475 for a .821 OPS. 22 HR.

Nice year and given what he is doing against lefties now, a nice step forward for the 23-year-old.

That's a really nice line just by itself.

Now put it with his awesome RF D.

Solid.

Nasty_Boy
09-29-2010, 10:30 AM
Bruce's stat line with five games to go:

.275/.346/.475 for a .821 OPS. 22 HR.

Nice year and given what he is doing against lefties now, a nice step forward for the 23-year-old.

Wait!!! Jay Bruce is only 23?! Unpossible!!!

OnBaseMachine
09-29-2010, 11:38 AM
Quote from Jay Bruce last night: "I am truly proud to call myself a Cincinnati Red." Jay, we're proud to have you in the Cincinnati Reds organization. You are welcome to stay as long as you want.

YouTube - Reds celebrate 2010 NL Central title (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaAl9u9yTik&feature=player_embedded#)!

Roy Tucker
09-29-2010, 12:02 PM
I thought it was interesting that Bruce choked up on the bat in his 6th inning AB. I don't recall him doing that before.

nemesis
09-29-2010, 02:41 PM
Hypothetical comment #1: Jim Edmonds is responsible for Jay Bruce coming on

Hypothetical comment #2: Jim Edmonds has had a positive influence on Jay Bruce


It could be either. The thing that stands out to me obout the celebration was Edmonds grabbing Bruce and smiling and saying something that made Jay smile even bigger. I loved that moment...

I will say this.

Bruce Before the Edmonds trade...

.262 AVG / .328 OBP / .416 SLG / .744 OPS

389 AB / 10 HR (38.9 AB Ratio) / 38 BB (8.9%) /104 K (24.4%)


Bruce since the Edmonds trade... (Including 14 games missed)

.349 AVG / .439 OBP / .717 SLG / 1.156 OPS

106 AB / 12 HR (8.83 AB Ratio) / 17 BB (13.8%) / 25 K (20.3%)

Votto's Line in the same time frame...

.329 AVG / .421 OBP / .604 SLG / 1.025 OPS

164 AB's / 10 HR (16.4 AB Ratio )/ 26 BB (13.7%) / 36 K (22.0%)

Bruce has out produced him when he has been on the field. But man is Votto a man of consistency.

Call it what you want, but I think Edmonds to Bruce is Rolen to Votto. Bruce has had the tools, I think Edmonds helped find the key to the shed.

westofyou
09-29-2010, 02:46 PM
I thought it was interesting that Bruce choked up on the bat in his 6th inning AB. I don't recall him doing that before.

Wandy OWNS him, the bases were juiced, he had no choice.

REDREAD
09-29-2010, 04:42 PM
Bruce's shot was the number 1 play on ESPN

It was so sweet to see Bruce win it for the Reds, after Marty was berating him all game for begging to play against Wandy Rodrequz.. Marty kept trumpeting the 2 k's and one double play.. Way to shut up Marty, Bruce :)

RedsBaron
09-29-2010, 04:46 PM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/0d/fullj.86a8687d097a97b5313f6e9c3be9152d/86a8687d097a97b5313f6e9c3be9152d-getty-95688665jr004_astros_reds.jpg

I love that photo. :thumbup:

Ghosts of 1990
09-29-2010, 04:50 PM
I love that photo. :thumbup:

My new background on my CPU

RedsManRick
09-29-2010, 04:51 PM
My new background on my CPU

Mine too.

mth123
09-29-2010, 08:59 PM
In the game thread last night I called Bruce the 2011 MVP. I'm calling it early.

Ghosts of 1990
09-29-2010, 09:54 PM
In the game thread last night I called Bruce the 2011 MVP. I'm calling it early.

If he hadn't had a stagnant July and part of late June; he would have gotten votes this year. Not first place votes, but votes.

Raisor
09-30-2010, 08:48 PM
Forget MVP next year, that will be Joey again. I just Bruce to improve some more. Get him up to a .850 OPS and go from there.

UKFlounder
09-30-2010, 09:46 PM
Putting together a full consistent, healthy and good season is certainly the next step he needs to take. He has shown flashes the past 3 years, but he needs to take the way he is finishing the year and play at least close to it for a full season. Perhaps even be an All-Star


Forget MVP next year, that will be Joey again. I just Bruce to improve some more. Get him up to a .850 OPS and go from there.

Ghosts of 1990
09-30-2010, 09:55 PM
3 more hits tonight. I'm secretly hoping for a .280 finish

dougdirt
09-30-2010, 09:59 PM
3 more hits tonight. I'm secretly hoping for a .280 finish

It isn't a secret if you tell us.

OnBaseMachine
10-03-2010, 12:59 PM
New updates from Fangraphs: Jay Bruce now has a UZR of +19.9, the second highest rating in all of baseball behind Brett Gardner (LF). Bruce now has a WAR of +4.9.

OnBaseMachine
10-03-2010, 02:22 PM
3 more hits tonight. I'm secretly hoping for a .280 finish

You got your wish. Bruce is 2-for-2 today with his 25th HR and is now hitting .281/.353/.493 - .846 OPS.

Superdude
10-03-2010, 02:29 PM
BRUUCE! :beerme: Whether it was the wrist injury or whatever, here's to hoping the Bruce we've watched in the second half is here to stay.

Patrick Bateman
10-03-2010, 02:30 PM
Forget MVP next year, that will be Joey again. I just Bruce to improve some more. Get him up to a .850 OPS and go from there.

He already is and he didn't do anything for most of the year.

RedsBaron
10-03-2010, 05:00 PM
I noted on another thread that Joey Votto has had the 13th season in Reds history of at least a .300 30 100 line in the triple crown stats. I like Jay Bruce's chances of joining that list, perhaps as soon as 2011.

Matt700wlw
10-03-2010, 05:01 PM
Bruce heating up at just the right time.

I can't wait for Wednesday :)

Ghosts of 1990
10-03-2010, 09:13 PM
Bruce had a remarkable season if you consider that he missed two weeks to injury and didn't do much offensively for 6 weeks or so. His career OPS sits at .800 on the dot, which is impressive. He is who we all expected him to be and we have the best right fielder in all of baseball defensively.

I loved you all along, Jay Bruce.

Raisor
10-03-2010, 09:19 PM
I'm thinking of changing my username to JayBruce32.

UKFlounder
10-03-2010, 09:22 PM
Interesting.

I figured Jay Bruce would think of changing his name to Raisor

:beerme:


I'm thinking of changing my username to JayBruce32.

Ron Madden
10-03-2010, 09:49 PM
Jay Bruce is a Ballplayer, he needs to be in the lineup everyday.

Can we please stop sitting him down when a LH starts against us?

UKFlounder
10-03-2010, 10:04 PM
He did play just about every day when he was healthy. They sat him out against some left-handers after he hurt his side and came back. I thought they handled it fine.


Jay Bruce is a Ballplayer, he needs to be in the lineup everyday.

Can we please stop sitting him down when a LH starts against us?

Ron Madden
10-03-2010, 10:07 PM
He did play just about every day when he was healthy. They sat him out against some left-handers after he hurt his side and came back. I thought they handled it fine.

He got in almost every game but he didn't start them all.

Brutus
10-03-2010, 10:17 PM
Bruce started 132 of the team's 162 games this season.

He played in 148 of the 162 games this year, but 12 of those 14 he didn't were during his injury.

That means he started in 132 of the 150 games he was able to play. He's had 7 non-starts since his injury because of getting some rest of the injured side and the last few days because they clinched, meaning prior to his injury, he was starting just about every game.

Going back through the game logs, I saw at least two of those 10 or so non-starts were against Wandy. I saw one against Oliver Perez and one against Paul Maholm. I also saw at least four against RH starting pitchers too, though.

So it seems the only time he's really been out of the lineup were for injury-related reasons, except for the occasional normal day off, and perhaps Dusty picking a game here or there against a tough LHP to do it.

Ron Madden
10-03-2010, 10:26 PM
Good God.

I didn't say Dusty was using Jay as a platoon player, just that he has not started him against some LHP. All I'm really trying to say here is Jay's splits aint that bad. I believe he should be in the lineup everyday.

Brutus
10-03-2010, 11:00 PM
Good God what? You made a comment, and someone responded. Not a big deal.

Until his injury, he was sitting against, on average, only 1-2 LHP a month. Since fewer than 25 players in the majors started more than 150 games this season, if he had been healthy, Bruce would have been right in line with a good majority of the most often played. That is to say if he stayed healthy, likely he starts 150 games. It doesn't seem like over 6 months there's any fault in that.

VR
10-03-2010, 11:47 PM
The most exciting part for me is the fact that the two game winning dingers....today and the clincher, were both left of center field. Wait for the ball...hit it where it's pitched.

He let both of those get in the zone, and put the fat of the bat squarely on them. Wouldn't it be nice if Jay discovers left field the way Votto has.

Ron Madden
10-03-2010, 11:50 PM
The most exciting part for me is the fact that the two game winning dingers....today and the clincher, were both left of center field. Wait for the ball...hit it where it's pitched.

They were both off left handed pitchers too. :thumbup:

corkedbat
10-03-2010, 11:57 PM
One thing I've noticed is Jay has a tendancy to start trying to pull the ball after he goes through one of his power spurts. He has tremendous natural power. When he learns to trust in that and just hit the ball where its pitched (using all fields instead of trying too hard to go long) on a regular basis, the rest of the league is gonna be in big trouble.

He doesn't have to try to hit the ball deep. If he just makes consistent contact he's gonna hit bushels of HRs.

dougdirt
10-04-2010, 04:38 AM
Here is a weird Jay Bruce stat.... since the start of August, he has 1 double, 1 triple and 15 HR's to go along with 30 singles. I really wonder if that is some kind of record over a specific stretch of time.

OnBaseMachine
10-04-2010, 11:38 AM
Jay Bruce finished this season with a WAR of 5.2, the second best on the team behind Joey Votto. Scott Rolen was third at 5.0.

I am very pleased with the season Jay Bruce had. His Line Drive % increased back to 20.1% and his walk rate increased again from 9.8% or 10.1%. On defense, he is one of best defensive players in the game. Whenever a ball is hit to right field I have confidence Bruce is going to track it down. I'm gonna make a prediction: Jay Bruce will be a contender for the NL MVP in 2011.

bucksfan2
10-04-2010, 11:50 AM
Jay Bruce finished this season with a WAR of 5.2, the second best on the team behind Joey Votto. Scott Rolen was third at 5.0.

I am very pleased with the season Jay Bruce had. His Line Drive % increased back to 20.1% and his walk rate increased again from 9.8% or 10.1%. On defense, he is one of best defensive players in the game. Whenever a ball is hit to right field I have confidence Bruce is going to track it down. I'm gonna make a prediction: Jay Bruce will be a contender for the NL MVP in 2011.

Bruce is one of the best RF defenders in the game. I wouldn't call him one of the best defenders in the game though. To me that goes to one of the best SS or CF's. But I do agree with you he is a vacuum out there in RF.

The key to Bruce next season will be to avoid the prolonged slump. The slump that has people calling for him to be sent down to AAA. The difference between Jay and Joey right now is Joey's prolonged slum is a bad 20 at bats. Jay's prolonged slump is a bad month or more. I hope your right about the NL MVP contender, it would be nice to see Jay take another big step forward.

Homer Bailey
10-04-2010, 11:56 AM
5 win player at age 23. I shudder to think what he is capable once he reaches his prime.

OnBaseMachine
10-04-2010, 12:14 PM
5 win player at age 23. I shudder to think what he is capable once he reaches his prime.

I can't remember who it was now, but I remember one baseball writer saying last year that Jay Bruce had the talent to be the best player in baseball if/when he reaches his full potential. I agree with that. Bruce has the talent to be a .950-1.000 OPS bat while playing elite defense.

Homer Bailey
10-04-2010, 12:19 PM
I can't remember who it was now, but I remember one baseball writer saying last year that Jay Bruce had the talent to be the best player in baseball if/when he reaches his full potential. I agree with that. Bruce has the talent to be a .950-1.000 OPS bat while playing elite defense.

I remember this. I think it was on fangraphs. It was something along the lines of having "Legit best player in the game potential." I may dig for that a bit.

OnBaseMachine
10-04-2010, 12:22 PM
I remember this. I think it was on fangraphs. It was something along the lines of having "Legit best player in the game potential." I may dig for that a bit.

I think you're right. I'll look for the full quote.

OnBaseMachine
10-04-2010, 12:32 PM
From Dave Cameron of Fangraphs. This was written in July of 2009.


There’s legitimately best-player-in-baseball upside here if Bruce reaches his full potential, and he’s already a solid player

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-30-26

OnBaseMachine
10-04-2010, 01:05 PM
From Jamie Ramsey:

Jay Bruce named National League Player of the Week

http://twitter.com/Jamieblog

medford
10-04-2010, 01:09 PM
So the potential is there, that say in 2-3 more years the Reds could have the Best all-around player in the game (Bruce), the best left handed bat in the game (Votto), the best stolen base threat, as well as best overal CF (Stubbs), and the best left handed starter (Chapman) not to mention guys like Meserasco, Volquez, Cueto, Bailey, Wood, Leake, Joseph, Massett, etc... with all those Billings/Arizona league players making a push towards the majors. Yowzer, I shudder to dream of such a happening, the Big Red Machine may in fact appear small if those dreams come true.

reds1869
10-04-2010, 01:13 PM
So the potential is there, that say in 2-3 more years the Reds could have the Best all-around player in the game (Bruce), the best left handed bat in the game (Votto), the best stolen base threat, as well as best overal CF (Stubbs), and the best left handed starter (Chapman) not to mention guys like Meserasco, Volquez, Cueto, Bailey, Wood, Leake, Joseph, Massett, etc... with all those Billings/Arizona league players making a push towards the majors. Yowzer, I shudder to dream of such a happening, the Big Red Machine may in fact appear small if those dreams come true.

I like the way you think! Not only that, I think those dreams are closer to reality than many of us dare to believe. :beerme:

OnBaseMachine
10-04-2010, 01:19 PM
So the potential is there, that say in 2-3 more years the Reds could have the Best all-around player in the game (Bruce), the best left handed bat in the game (Votto), the best stolen base threat, as well as best overal CF (Stubbs), and the best left handed starter (Chapman) not to mention guys like Meserasco, Volquez, Cueto, Bailey, Wood, Leake, Joseph, Massett, etc... with all those Billings/Arizona league players making a push towards the majors. Yowzer, I shudder to dream of such a happening, the Big Red Machine may in fact appear small if those dreams come true.

Three years from now, Reds starting outfield: Yorman Rodriguez, Drew Stubbs, Jay Bruce? :)

medford
10-04-2010, 01:25 PM
I like the way you think! Not only that, I think those dreams are closer to reality than many of us dare to believe. :beerme:

That's kind of what scares me. For the past 8-10 seasons (sometime after Junior started his decline and unfortunate injuries) I've often had that dream about how the current crops of minor leaguers are going to be setting the baseball world on fire, knowing that even the best prospects turn into suspect after a few seasons in the show. But this feels different, votto has already shown that he's in the argument for the best LH (or really any handed) bat in the majors, all he needs is a little more time to prove he's got the sticking power that a guy like Pujols has shown the last 10 years. Bruce has the defense down, and the bat seems to be getting there, Stubbs is developing on the major league level into a top flight overal centerfielder, and we know Chapman as the stuff, and is in the argument (and has been called by some analysist) as the best LH arm in the game, now he just has to make the transition back to starter and show he can take that stuff deep into games on the ML level.

that's a nice package to start out with. Can you surround them w/ a contract extension to Phillips (who's the 2nd best overall, and best defensive 2b in the NL, if not MLB), will Janish or the kid from AAA (why can't I remember his name, I've liked him since I first saw him at Dayton) be able to hold down SS, can they find an adequate third baseman with more consistancy than Edwin Encarnacion both offensively and defensively (Fransisco's not a bad place to start, at least w/ the bat), can they find a power bat to man LF? Will Mes's hot year in the minors, hold true once he reaches the show now that he's re-established himself as one of the top catching prospects, or will Grandal enter the argument?

There are still questions to be answered, but if enough are answered correctly, combined w/ the fulfillment of the potential laid out previously, this has the makings of a special, special run of Reds baseball.

RED VAN HOT
10-04-2010, 08:26 PM
I did a little cherry pickin', small sample size comparisons, the kind we love to do here in the zone. On August 13, Bruce hit a 427 foot HR breaking a streak of 125 consecutive AB's without a dinger. I looked at his season from that point until the end and compared it to top tier players who were also hot over that period. Here is what I found.

Name AB BA HR AB/HR SLG% OBP OPS
Bruce 105 .371 15 7 .800 .450 1.269
Votto 152 .336 9 16.9 .605 .426 1.031
Pujols 164 .317 14 11.7 .659 .431 1.090
Cargo 162 .370 9 18 .660 .440 1.100
Tulow 152 .303 18 9.7 .691 .371 1.062

Bruce looks to have had the hottest bat as well as posting an amazing turn around. Also noted is the fact that Edmonds joined the Reds on August 9. It could be simply a hot streak. No doubt that for each of these players I could have selected a different interval over which they would have come out on top. Still, there is the Edmonds factor and it is nearly one third of a season.
Also, Bruce was hurt for part of the time. If it could be chalked up to chance, one might ask what the probability is that a player could go 125 ABs without a HR and then hit 15 in the next 105?

My point in this is to make a case for batting Votto and Bruce back to back against Halladay and Oswalt. I would not worry about being vulnerable to a LH reliever. Votto and Bruce are both hitting well against LHP. Besides, if they go to the pen, the Reds have one half the battle anyway. To beat the Phils, the Reds need to put pressure on the RH starters. Let's not allow them to pitch around our best and set up DP opportunities against RH hitters.

BCubb2003
10-04-2010, 08:53 PM
From Jamie Ramsey:

Jay Bruce named National League Player of the Week

http://twitter.com/Jamieblog

The AL Player of the Week was Edwin Encarnacion.

wheels
10-04-2010, 09:03 PM
I did a little cherry pickin', small sample size comparisons, the kind we love to do here in the zone. On August 13, Bruce hit a 427 foot HR breaking a streak of 125 consecutive AB's without a dinger. I looked at his season from that point until the end and compared it to top tier players who were also hot over that period. Here is what I found.

Name AB BA HR AB/HR SLG% OBP OPS
Bruce 105 .371 15 7 .800 .450 1.269
Votto 152 .336 9 16.9 .605 .426 1.031
Pujols 164 .317 14 11.7 .659 .431 1.090
Cargo 162 .370 9 18 .660 .440 1.100
Tulow 152 .303 18 9.7 .691 .371 1.062

Bruce looks to have had the hottest bat as well as posting an amazing turn around. Also noted is the fact that Edmonds joined the Reds on August 9. It could be simply a hot streak. No doubt that for each of these players I could have selected a different interval over which they would have come out on top. Still, there is the Edmonds factor and it is nearly one third of a season.
Also, Bruce was hurt for part of the time. If it could be chalked up to chance, one might ask what the probability is that a player could go 125 ABs without a HR and then hit 15 in the next 105?

My point in this is to make a case for batting Votto and Bruce back to back against Halladay and Oswalt. I would not worry about being vulnerable to a LH reliever. Votto and Bruce are both hitting well against LHP. Besides, if they go to the pen, the Reds have one half the battle anyway. To beat the Phils, the Reds need to put pressure on the RH starters. Let's not allow them to pitch around our best and set up DP opportunities against RH hitters.

I like how you think.

I like the idea of hitting Bruce second, followed by Votto.

Puts that pitcher's feet to the fire from the get go.

kaldaniels
10-04-2010, 09:03 PM
The AL Player of the Week was Edwin Encarnacion.

For debates sake, was the Edwin Encarnacion that is on the Jays right now obtained for Scott Rolen? I mean he was DFA mid-year for crying out loud. Any team could have put in a waiver claim for him but didn't. So it's almost as if the Jays got current Edwin from the free agent scrap heap. Only pre-DFA Edwin was the one the Jays got for Rolen. And in Biff's 1985 Marty is Biff's son. Its like the DFA reset everything.

Am I talking crazy?

edabbs44
10-04-2010, 09:13 PM
For debates sake, was the Edwin Encarnacion that is on the Jays right now obtained for Scott Rolen? I mean he was DFA mid-year for crying out loud. Any team could have put in a waiver claim for him but didn't. So it's almost as if the Jays got current Edwin from the free agent scrap heap. Only pre-DFA Edwin was the one the Jays got for Rolen. And in Biff's 1985 Marty is Biff's son. Its like the DFA reset everything.

Am I talking crazy?

Here's crazy...EdE upped his OPS 66 pts in the last 4 games of the season when he had over 300 PAs.

RedsManRick
10-04-2010, 10:01 PM
16 PA, 5 HR, 10 RBI, 2 BB, 1 SO, .571/.625/1.643/. Not a bad 4 games.

It also gave the Jays 7 guys with 20+ HR. The team as a whole had a .206 ISO; that's nuts.

VR
10-04-2010, 10:44 PM
Bruce is one of the best RF defenders in the game.

He's the best I've seen in RF since Larry Walker. Just unreal speed, arm, range, breaks. Plays well coming in or going back. Doesn't have the benefits of enough stats to properly define his play out there. Holding sure doubles to singles, limiting extra bases....etc.

RedsManRick
10-05-2010, 12:33 AM
Per the UZR breakdown, no RF made a higher percentage of plays in zone and only Ichiro had a more plays out of zone. But on a per inning basis, Bruce topped Ichiro -- paced for 4 more than Ichiro (99 to 95) in the same innings total.

OnBaseMachine
10-11-2010, 04:12 PM
I must say, out of all of the position players in the Reds-Phillies series, Jay Bruce stood out the most to me. It was obviously a small sample size but I thought Bruce was the best player on the field. I was really impressed with how he played in his first postseason - a 1.025 OPS in 10 PA, the highest OPS among players in the NLDS. Bruce had a very good 2010 season but I think 2011 is going to be special.

It wouldn't shock me one bit if Bruce wins the 2011 NL MVP...

bucksfan2
10-11-2010, 04:34 PM
I must say, out of all of the position players in the Reds-Phillies series, Jay Bruce stood out the most to me. It was obviously a small sample size but I thought Bruce was the best player on the field. I was really impressed with how he played in his first postseason - a 1.025 OPS in 10 PA, the highest OPS among players in the NLDS. Bruce had a very good 2010 season but I think 2011 is going to be special.

It wouldn't shock me one bit if Bruce wins the 2011 NL MVP...

I hate to say it but Bruce delivered the knock out punch during Friday nights disaster.

At the plate Bruce and Phillips looked the best out of any Red. It was impressive to see the development and also bounce back from Bruce this season. I don't think he will win the MVP because of a guy named Joey Votto on his team. But I hope we will see the improved Jay for the entire season in 2011.

edabbs44
10-11-2010, 04:42 PM
I must say, out of all of the position players in the Reds-Phillies series, Jay Bruce stood out the most to me. It was obviously a small sample size but I thought Bruce was the best player on the field. I was really impressed with how he played in his first postseason - a 1.025 OPS in 10 PA, the highest OPS among players in the NLDS. Bruce had a very good 2010 season but I think 2011 is going to be special.

It wouldn't shock me one bit if Bruce wins the 2011 NL MVP...

Bruce did well at the plate but citing OPS in 10 PAs is almost meaningless. And I agree with bucks...that play in RF kind of hurt on Friday.

OnBaseMachine
10-11-2010, 04:46 PM
I hate to say it but Bruce delivered the knock out punch during Friday nights disaster.

At the plate Bruce and Phillips looked the best out of any Red. It was impressive to see the development and also bounce back from Bruce this season. I don't think he will win the MVP because of a guy named Joey Votto on his team. But I hope we will see the improved Jay for the entire season in 2011.

The blunders by Phillips and Rolen were every bit as costly, if not more.

edabbs44
10-11-2010, 04:49 PM
The blunders by Phillips and Rolen were every bit as costly, if not more.

Bruce's was a dagger. They were all pretty costly but Jay's was the haymaker.

bucksfan2
10-11-2010, 04:52 PM
The blunders by Phillips and Rolen were every bit as costly, if not more.

Jay's error/lost ball in the lights was the culmination of an awful stretch by the Reds D. It allowed the tying and go ahead run to score. It put the dagger in the hart of not only Reds fans but also the Reds. Its odd because it seemed in Philly Bruce was struggling with the lights on every fly ball hit out his way. Its a shame because he is one of the better defenders in the game.

westofyou
10-11-2010, 04:53 PM
Jay's error/lost ball in the lights was the culmination of an awful stretch by the Reds D. It allowed the tying and go ahead run to score. It put the dagger in the hart of not only Reds fans but also the Reds. Its odd because it seemed in Philly Bruce was struggling with the lights on every fly ball hit out his way. Its a shame because he is one of the better defenders in the game.

Humbling game... she is this baseball mistress.

Raisor
10-11-2010, 06:24 PM
I really can't see how blame can be placed on a guy losing the ball in the lights. It happens.

Oxilon
10-11-2010, 06:33 PM
I really can't see how blame can be placed on a guy losing the ball in the lights. It happens.

If it was Jonny Gomes, this board would be going ballistic. But because it's Bruce, he's getting a pass?

Either way, I never saw us having a chance to begin with, so I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

Homer Bailey
10-11-2010, 06:48 PM
If it was Jonny Gomes, this board would be going ballistic. But because it's Bruce, he's getting a pass?

Either way, I never saw us having a chance to begin with, so I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

If it was Jonny Gomes, it wouldn't be much of an outlier, would it? Bruce, being the best defensive RF in baseball making a completely uncharacteristic "error" that he had literally no control over, certainly qualifies as an outlier, no?

Oxilon
10-11-2010, 06:58 PM
If it was Jonny Gomes, it wouldn't be much of an outlier, would it? Bruce, being the best defensive RF in baseball making a completely uncharacteristic "error" that he had literally no control over, certainly qualifies as an outlier, no?

Let's not go that far. He definitely had some control over what he was doing.

Homer Bailey
10-11-2010, 07:17 PM
Let's not go that far. He definitely had some control over what he was doing.

So you're experienced with catching baseballs coming at you from 250 feel away that you can't see? Care to give us all some pointers on how you might catch a ball like that?

edabbs44
10-11-2010, 07:39 PM
If it was Jonny Gomes, it wouldn't be much of an outlier, would it? Bruce, being the best defensive RF in baseball making a completely uncharacteristic "error" that he had literally no control over, certainly qualifies as an outlier, no?

Outlier or not, it still happened. I think we may be confusing things. When we get to the playoffs outliers count the same.

Homer Bailey
10-11-2010, 08:19 PM
Outlier or not, it still happened. I think we may be confusing things. When we get to the playoffs outliers count the same.

I'm honestly just trying to figure out if ANYONE can tell what Bruce was supposed to do on that play? That play had absolutely nothing to do with lack of ability.

Raisor
10-11-2010, 08:31 PM
I'm honestly just trying to figure out if ANYONE can tell what Bruce was supposed to do on that play?
http://tlctranslation.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/bottlenose-dolphin-picture-2-480.jpg



He should have used his sonar.

edabbs44
10-11-2010, 09:08 PM
I'm honestly just trying to figure out if ANYONE can tell what Bruce was supposed to do on that play? That play had absolutely nothing to do with lack of ability.

Bruce is a great defender. That goes w/o saying. But nobody jumped out of the stands and blew kabuki dust in his eyes after the ball was hit. I am sure that there are certain guys who play lights better than others. Balls aren't being lost in the lights on a nightly basis there. It is part of defense, playing the elements.

But I am not blaming Bruce for that play at all. No one really is. Freaky play, it happens. But there is definitely more tolerance for some making errors over other players. And I think some try and paint this play as being something it wasn't because Bruce was involved. Kind of a double standard. And maybe guys like him and Votto deserve it. But those outs and misplays hurt in the playoffs just as much as a bad play or AB made by someone else. That's kind of the point.

The one thing I do think Bruce could have done differently was pull back on the ball a bit. It's probably human nature to run up on it and try and make the catch but if you don't see it off the bat, stop running in. If he was able to play it on a hop Werth may not score. But who knows.

westofyou
10-11-2010, 09:59 PM
I really can't see how blame can be placed on a guy losing the ball in the lights. It happens.

Must quantify everything... Luke I am your father... everything must have a connection.

kaldaniels
10-11-2010, 10:03 PM
I'm honestly just trying to figure out if ANYONE can tell what Bruce was supposed to do on that play? That play had absolutely nothing to do with lack of ability.

Catch the ball. It happens though and I'm not gonna give the guy a hard time. But do not absolve him of all blame...it should have been caught.

westofyou
10-11-2010, 10:13 PM
Catch the ball. It happens though and I'm not gonna give the guy a hard time. But do not absolve him of all blame...it should have been caught.

Yep, it's a simple game, hit the ball, catch the ball, pitch the ball.

The Reds failed to do 2 out those 3, that's why they are home.

The game will eat you as much as it will kiss you.

Brutus
10-11-2010, 10:14 PM
I'm honestly just trying to figure out if ANYONE can tell what Bruce was supposed to do on that play? That play had absolutely nothing to do with lack of ability.

I look at it like this: even if you're an impeccable driver with 15 years of a spotless driving record and you blow through a stop sign that you didn't see because a branch was partially hiding it, do you think it's going to get you off the hook with Mr. officer if he pulls you over for missing it? The record might get you some leniency but it's not gonna get you out of the ticket, generally.

It's an understandable mistake. It doesn't speak to Bruce's defensive ability. But mistakes all count. They all matter. Accident or not, no matter his ability, it's probably fair to point out that it was a crucial, possibly game-altering miscue.

I don't think anyone is suggesting it's an issue of ability. Clearly, or at least I would think it's clear, Bruce isn't short on defensive ability (perhaps at times mastery). But a mistake is still a mistake, and he made one at the most inopportune time.

REDblooded
10-11-2010, 10:31 PM
This thread is awesome... Keep it up RedsZone... The kid lost the ball in the lights, and the sea of white towels... It's not like he hammed it and dropped it. Stuff happens. Does it reflect poorly on him? Yup, because it happened to him. Was it excusable? Yup, because it was a freak event....

My biggest gripe with Bruce in the Phil's series had nothing to do with his play, it had to do with where Dusty stuck him in the line-up... Quit splitting up Bruce and Votto... Neither have a lefty/righty split that warrants separating them if batting them back to back gives you your best opportunity to give protection and score runs.

kaldaniels
10-11-2010, 10:41 PM
This thread is awesome... Keep it up RedsZone... The kid lost the ball in the lights, and the sea of white towels... It's not like he hammed it and dropped it. Stuff happens. Does it reflect poorly on him? Yup, because it happened to him. Was it excusable? Yup, because it was a freak event....

My biggest gripe with Bruce in the Phil's series had nothing to do with his play, it had to do with where Dusty stuck him in the line-up... Quit splitting up Bruce and Votto... Neither have a lefty/righty split that warrants separating them if batting them back to back gives you your best opportunity to give protection and score runs.

No one is beating up Jay too hard over this. He's gotten a fair shake, yet the consequences of the play are being acknowledged. The issue I had was a comment that Jay "literally had no control" over the play. That's prepostorous.

edabbs44
10-11-2010, 10:44 PM
No one is beating up Jay too hard over this. He's gotten a fair shake, yet the consequences of the play are being acknowledged. The issue I had was a comment that Jay "literally had no control" over the play. That's prepostorous.

Agree, but the issue I had was saying that the Rolen and Phillips plays were more damaging, or something like that. They were all bad, Jay doesn't get a free ride because he is Jay. His play hurt just as bad as the others.

Homer Bailey
10-11-2010, 10:48 PM
No one is beating up Jay too hard over this. He's gotten a fair shake, yet the consequences of the play are being acknowledged. The issue I had was a comment that Jay "literally had no control" over the play. That's prepostorous.

Please find me a major leaguer that can catch a ball that he literally can't see, and then I will agree that my statement was prepostrous.

edabbs44
10-11-2010, 10:49 PM
Please find me a major leaguer that can catch a ball that he literally can't see, and then I will agree that my statement was prepostrous.

Could he get to the point that he could see it? I think that it would be possible.

kaldaniels
10-11-2010, 10:52 PM
Please find me a major leaguer that can catch a ball that he literally can't see, and then I will agree that my statement was prepostrous.

So if the Reds stick me out in RF and I lose the ball in the lights I "literally have no control over it"? False. It should not have been lost in the lights to begin with.

It happens...everyone on here agrees with that. But to say Bruce had no control over that ball is well, in your words, "literally" prepostorous.

Ghosts of 1990
10-11-2010, 10:56 PM
Bruce did well at the plate but citing OPS in 10 PAs is almost meaningless. And I agree with bucks...that play in RF kind of hurt on Friday.

Votto; whom I love... Rolen too, their transparent presence at the plate was worse then Bruce's one play or non play.

Homer Bailey
10-11-2010, 11:10 PM
Could he get to the point that he could see it? I think that it would be possible.

He was on a full sprint in. I don't see how he could have positioned himself to avoid the lights?


So if the Reds stick me out in RF and I lose the ball in the lights I "literally have no control over it"? False. It should not have been lost in the lights to begin with.

It happens...everyone on here agrees with that. But to say Bruce had no control over that ball is well, in your words, "literally" prepostorous.

So it's his fault now that the ball was hit in line with the lights? I've seen it all.

kaldaniels
10-11-2010, 11:16 PM
So it's his fault now that the ball was hit in line with the lights? I've seen it all.

"Hit in line with the lights"? What?

It was a sharp line that went thru the lights...no way no how could it have been "in line". Using geometry/physics, back up your claim.

Homer Bailey
10-11-2010, 11:18 PM
"Hit in line with the lights"? What?

It was a sharp line that went thru the lights...no way no how could it have been "in line". Using geometry/physics, back up your claim.

Sigh.

Losing a ball in the lights means the ball is between the lighting bank and your line of sight. Have you ever tried to catch a ball that is in the lights? I have. It's basically not possible, unless you stick your glove out and it happens to just hit it. It has an equal chance of hitting you in the eye.

kaldaniels
10-11-2010, 11:22 PM
Sigh.

Losing a ball in the lights means the ball is between the lighting bank and your line of sight. Have you ever tried to catch a ball that is in the lights? I have. It's basically not possible, unless you stick your glove out and it happens to just hit it. It has an equal chance of hitting you in the eye.

Yes, I have caught balls under the lights.

Stop the condecension and answer this. What percentage of the time in flight was the ball "unseeable".

Most flyballs pass through the lights. Some are lost in them. It happens. But the ball should have been caught.

Are you suggesting that from the time the ball was hit, Bruce had 0 chance of catching it?

VR
10-11-2010, 11:43 PM
Jay Bruce will tell you he should have caught it.

Homer Bailey
10-12-2010, 12:01 AM
Yes, I have caught balls under the lights.

Stop the condecension and answer this. What percentage of the time in flight was the ball "unseeable".

Most flyballs pass through the lights. Some are lost in them. It happens. But the ball should have been caught.

Are you suggesting that from the time the ball was hit, Bruce had 0 chance of catching it?

No, I'm not suggesting that. I'm honestly not trying to be a jerk. I just think its painfully obvious that he could not see the ball as it was on it's way down, therefore, I have no idea how anyone could expect him to catch it. I'm not playing favorites because I like Jay Bruce. I would say the same thing if Gomes lost one in the lights (as opposed to his other errors). I just can't get on a player for not being able to catch a ball he can't see. Losing one in the lights is simply a freak play that you really can't do anything about, IMO.

Ron Madden
10-12-2010, 04:06 AM
The ball was in the lights, he couldn't see the ball. The ball stayed in the lights untill it was right on him. Pretty hard to catch what you can't see.

Ron Madden
10-12-2010, 04:10 AM
Yes, I have caught balls under the lights.

Stop the condecension and answer this. What percentage of the time in flight was the ball "unseeable".

Most flyballs pass through the lights. Some are lost in them. It happens. But the ball should have been caught.

Are you suggesting that from the time the ball was hit, Bruce had 0 chance of catching it?

He saw the ball off the bat but lost it in the lights, by the time the ball came out of the lights it was too late.

Ron Madden
10-12-2010, 04:29 AM
I'm sure that I read somewhere this was the third time in postseason play a right fielder has lost the ball in the lights in Philladelphia.

I just can't remember where I read it or where I heard it.

edabbs44
10-12-2010, 07:03 AM
I'm sure that I read somewhere this was the third time in postseason play a right fielder has lost the ball in the lights in Philladelphia.

I just can't remember where I read it or where I heard it.

That was discussed in a few spots. Unless someone in Philly is steering those lights into your eyes during the postseason, there were another 250 games played in Philly during that span.

membengal
10-12-2010, 07:11 AM
The last two pages of this thread are unreal. Death of reason kind of stuff.

cincrazy
10-12-2010, 07:26 AM
If Rolen and Phillips make ROUTINE plays in the fifth inning, Jay Bruce never even has the opportunity to lose the ball in the lights, and the Reds go home tied 1-1.

edabbs44
10-12-2010, 08:04 AM
If Rolen and Phillips make ROUTINE plays in the fifth inning, Jay Bruce never even has the opportunity to lose the ball in the lights, and the Reds go home tied 1-1.

Also critical misplays but that's not really a fair argument. Still have to make plays no matter what happened.

Ghosts of 1990
10-12-2010, 11:57 AM
Even if Bruce makes the catch; we probably blow the lead later anyways with the way that things were going. That's what I've been thinking since it happened.

edabbs44
10-12-2010, 12:50 PM
Even if Bruce makes the catch; we probably blow the lead later anyways with the way that things were going. That's what I've been thinking since it happened.

Maybe, but there is nothing to really make us think that to be a probability.

Cedric
10-12-2010, 12:53 PM
No one is beating up Jay too hard over this. He's gotten a fair shake, yet the consequences of the play are being acknowledged. The issue I had was a comment that Jay "literally had no control" over the play. That's prepostorous.

He nor anyone else in the world would of had any control over that play. Zero.

Roy Tucker
10-12-2010, 01:07 PM
I think any other OF, doing what they are supposed to do, would have lost that ball in the lights.

It was a funny kind of half-liner half-flare. Bruce went to where the ball was going to come down. Which is what he's supposed to do.

Watching the play, I think the ball stayed in a bank of lights for probably the last 2/3 of the flight to where Bruce was. Which really makes for it to be impossible to see.

He probably was hoping to pull a '79 Lou Piniella Yanks-Red Sox play where Piniella lost the ball in the sun, went to where he though the ball was going to land, and hoped to stick out his glove at the last second.

Bruce might have done something crazy to regain sight of the ball, but I have no idea what that could have been. Maybe taken a better path to the ball so it hit him and he caught it after it bounced off his chest? We're talking right side of the decimal point probability here.

Its the right fielder's responsibility to catch it, but it was a extremely difficult catch under the circumstances. I can find about thismuch fault with Bruce on it.

Cedric
10-12-2010, 01:20 PM
I think any other OF, doing what they are supposed to do, would have lost that ball in the lights.

It was a funny kind of half-liner half-flare. Bruce went to where the ball was going to come down. Which is what he's supposed to do.

Watching the play, I think the ball stayed in a bank of lights for probably the last 2/3 of the flight to where Bruce was. Which really makes for it to be impossible to see.

He probably was hoping to pull a '79 Lou Piniella Yanks-Red Sox play where Piniella lost the ball in the sun, went to where he though the ball was going to land, and hoped to stick out his glove at the last second.

Bruce might have done something crazy to regain sight of the ball, but I have no idea what that could have been. Maybe taken a better path to the ball so it hit him and he caught it after it bounced off his chest? We're talking right side of the decimal point probability here.

Its the right fielder's responsibility to catch it, but it was a extremely difficult catch under the circumstances. I can find about thismuch fault with Bruce on it.

I agree with you. Other than incredible luck there is no way anyone makes that play. Why are we arguing that?

I don't see any reason to care if Bruce could have gotten lucky enough to catch the ball or not. I'm worried about a players skill set and what we should expect in the future. That play says nothing bad about Bruce at all, so why care about it?

dougdirt
10-12-2010, 05:51 PM
Jay Bruce is still good at baseball.

UKFlounder
10-12-2010, 05:56 PM
Very good.

Not perfect, not immune to bad plays, not above criticism, but I, for one, am happy he's a Cincinnati Red.


Jay Bruce is still good at baseball.

Matt700wlw
10-12-2010, 09:45 PM
Jayson Werth feels bad for Bruce's situation, but obviously not at the results.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2010/10/phillies-right-fielder-jayson-werth-feels-jay-bruces-pain/1

OnBaseMachine
10-12-2010, 10:12 PM
Fangraphs updated their UZR ratings. Bruce finished the season with a +20.2 UZR, the second best in all of baseball.

Brutus
10-12-2010, 10:14 PM
Jayson Werth feels bad for Bruce's situation, but obviously not at the results.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2010/10/phillies-right-fielder-jayson-werth-feels-jay-bruces-pain/1

He should sign with Cincinnati so he can tell that to Jay in person.

Matt700wlw
10-12-2010, 10:18 PM
He should sign with Cincinnati so he can tell that to Jay in person.

I'd be thrilled!

Ghosts of 1990
10-12-2010, 11:00 PM
Mark Sheldon's MLB.com article the other day was talking about the organization not only offering Joey Votto a long-term deal in the offseason but said Bruce is also likely (and possibly Volquez).

I really, really hope that they lock Bruce up for 5 years or more.

VR
10-12-2010, 11:16 PM
Fangraphs updated their UZR ratings. Bruce finished the season with a +20.2 UZR, the second best in all of baseball.

If he doesn't win the gold glove, it will be criminal.

I haven't had the pleasure of seeing a Reds outfielder play D like that kid since Eric Davis.

Ron Madden
10-13-2010, 03:01 AM
My favorite Red of all time is Frank Robinson he spent some time in RF as did Paul O'Neill, both were excellent defensive outfielders with great arms.

In my humble and honest opinion Jay Bruce is the best defensive Right Fielder the Reds have put out there since I've been a Reds fan, And that's been awhile.

:)

Ghosts of 1990
10-20-2010, 10:54 AM
For anyone interested, I'll be interviewing Jay Bruce's agent Matt Sosnick tomorrow night. We're going to discuss the possibility of Jay signing long-term in Cincinnati among other things. I'll post the podcast link or send it via PM when finished.

Ghosts of 1990
10-21-2010, 08:50 PM
Here is the interview with Matt Sosnick, Jay Bruce's agent. We talked a lot about Jay and the thoughts of he and his agent in being with the Reds for the long-term and what negotiations are expected to look like this off season.

http://www.diamondhoggers.com/2010/10/baseball-show-mlb-agent-matt-sosnick.html

Homer Bailey
10-22-2010, 10:03 AM
Here is the interview with Matt Sosnick, Jay Bruce's agent. We talked a lot about Jay and the thoughts of he and his agent in being with the Reds for the long-term and what negotiations are expected to look like this off season.

http://www.diamondhoggers.com/2010/10/baseball-show-mlb-agent-matt-sosnick.html

That is a link to the blog, but where do I find the interview?

Ghosts of 1990
10-22-2010, 10:51 AM
That is a link to the blog, but where do I find the interview?

There is a button to listen to it in the post. Sorry that I didn't clarify that.

Homer Bailey
10-22-2010, 11:01 AM
There is a button to listen to it in the post. Sorry that I didn't clarify that.

Usually I'm not this bad at technology. Where is this button? I clicked on all of the links within the post and got nothing.

Thanks.

Ghosts of 1990
10-22-2010, 11:47 AM
Usually I'm not this bad at technology. Where is this button? I clicked on all of the links within the post and got nothing.

Thanks.

Green button with a 'play' symbol on it towards end of the post. Tried to attach a picture of it.

Homer Bailey
10-22-2010, 11:55 AM
Green button with a 'play' symbol on it towards end of the post. Tried to attach a picture of it.

Yeah there's nothing showing up there for me. I noticed that large space there and figured there was a problem on my end. Maybe it will work on my computer at home.

Thanks.