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Reds1
10-04-2010, 04:34 PM
Sorry if I am missing this, but I have not seen a playoff roster. I pretty much know who's pitching, but I'd like to see who they are going with on their bench players. If anyone has this can they post? Thank you and Go Reds!

cumberlandreds
10-04-2010, 04:53 PM
IIRC,they have until Wednesday morning to set it. I doubt they will settle on it until then.

Reds1
10-05-2010, 12:23 PM
I'm on pins and needles. haha. I have now found out I Have one friend who is a philly fan because now he's giving me some @#$%#@. haha. A hard time. Giving us no chance just on their pitching alone. I am ready for this.

Reds Freak
10-05-2010, 05:02 PM
The roster per Fay: http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2010/10/05/last-roster-spot-will-be-edmonds-or-francisco/

The pitchers: Edinson Volquez, Bronson Arroyo, Johnny Cueto, Francisco Cordero, Arthur Rhodes, Nick Masset, Aroldis Chapman, Logan Ondrusek, Bill Bray, Homer Bailey and Travis Wood.

The positions player: Joey Votto, Brandon Phillips, Orlando Cabrera, Scott Rolen, Jay Bruce, Drew Stubbs, Jonny Gomes, Ramon Hernandez, Ryan Hanigan, Chris Heisey, Laynce Nix, Miguel Cairo, Paul Janish and Edmonds or Francisco.

Last spot goes to Edmonds or Francisco. Will wait to see if Edmonds can go tomorrow morning. Looks like Nix will start on Friday. Smart move.

OnBaseMachine
10-05-2010, 05:03 PM
From John Fay:


The pitchers: Edinson Volquez, Bronson Arroyo, Johnny Cueto, Francisco Cordero, Arthur Rhodes, Nick Masset, Aroldis Chapman, Logan Ondrusek, Bill Bray, Homer Bailey and Travis Wood.

The positions player: Joey Votto, Brandon Phillips, Orlando Cabrera, Scott Rolen, Jay Bruce, Drew Stubbs, Jonny Gomes, Ramon Hernandez, Ryan Hanigan, Chris Heisey, Laynce Nix, Miguel Cairo, Paul Janish and Edmonds or Francisco.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2010/10/05/last-roster-spot-will-be-edmonds-or-francisco/

Fay says the final roster spot will come down to Jim Edmonds or Juan Francisco. Edmonds will get the spot if he's OK after today's workout.

Brutus
10-05-2010, 05:05 PM
From John Fay:



http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2010/10/05/last-roster-spot-will-be-edmonds-or-francisco/

Fay says the final roster spot will come down to Jim Edmonds or Juan Francisco. Edmonds will get the spot if he's OK after today's workout.


Someone actually beat you to the punch, which is surprising...

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86157

bucksfan2
10-05-2010, 05:19 PM
Interesting.

I think I may have gone either Francisco or Alonso over Janish. If Janish isn't going to start then I want a power bat on the bench. Although I am not complaining.

camisadelgolf
10-05-2010, 05:24 PM
No Harang. I wonder if they'll say it's because he was ineffective, or if they'll say it was because of his blister.

Reds Fanatic
10-05-2010, 05:28 PM
Good idea with Nix starting on Friday. He has very good career numbers against Oswalt.

RedsManRick
10-05-2010, 05:30 PM
I see Jordan Smith successfully pitched his way out of a bullpen spot. Though I suppose he was likely the odd man out in any event.

_Sir_Charles_
10-05-2010, 05:31 PM
No Jared Burton? That's a bit surprising.

Chip R
10-05-2010, 05:31 PM
No Jared Burton? That's a bit surprising.

Why?

oneupper
10-05-2010, 05:32 PM
Think we have enough lefties in the pen?

_Sir_Charles_
10-05-2010, 05:32 PM
I thought they'd take 12 pitchers. No biggie.

camisadelgolf
10-05-2010, 06:00 PM
Here are the Reds' postseason vets:

PLAYER PA BA/ OBP/ SLG/ OPS
Ramon Hernandez 79 .217/.299/.290/.589
Orlando Cabrera 155 .234/.297/.312/.609
Scott Rolen 131 .228/.321/.421/.742
Miguel Cairo 77 .303/.387/.424/.811
Jim Edmonds 263 .274/.361/.513/.874

PLAYER IP/ ERA/SO/BB/WHIP
Bronson Arroyo 17.0/7.41/20/ 9/1.65
Arthur Rhodes 17.0/4.76/19/10/1.53

HeatherC1212
10-05-2010, 06:07 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Alonso or Burton were eligible for the post season because they didn't get brought up to the Reds before September 1st. IIRC, they both came up in mid September and honestly, I'm not too upset that they got left off this roster that has to play against the Phillies. They don't really have the numbers to give them a spot and Burton missed a lot of time this year. Maybe Burton will be on the NLCS roster. ;)

Anyway, I really can't argue with the roster. It's most of the guys who've been with the team all season and I think it's a pretty strong team. Go Reds! :)

VR
10-05-2010, 06:09 PM
Think we have enough lefties in the pen?

They all pitch ok vs. righties as well.

Will M
10-05-2010, 06:23 PM
Nice work Walt/Dusty/coaches.

Don't need the 12 pitcher. Extra bat off the bench is good.

Bray as another lefty in the pen works for me.

I hope Edmonds can go. I'd love it if he could start but I doubt that will happen.

Sea Ray
10-05-2010, 06:24 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Alonso or Burton were eligible for the post season because they didn't get brought up to the Reds before September 1st. IIRC, they both came up in mid September and honestly, I'm not too upset that they got left off this roster that has to play against the Phillies. They don't really have the numbers to give them a spot and Burton missed a lot of time this year. Maybe Burton will be on the NLCS roster. ;)

Anyway, I really can't argue with the roster. It's most of the guys who've been with the team all season and I think it's a pretty strong team. Go Reds! :)

I think you are correct

PuffyPig
10-05-2010, 06:37 PM
I thought they'd take 12 pitchers. No biggie.

With lots of off days, I doubt they ever seriously considered 12 pitchers.

reds44
10-05-2010, 07:11 PM
With lots of off days, I doubt they ever seriously considered 12 pitchers.
Especially when you consider Homer can eat up eatings if neeeded.

The Reds have 4 lefties to throw at the middle of the Phillies order. Don't overlook that. I don't think you can say that about another team in the playoffs.

Brutus
10-05-2010, 07:17 PM
With lots of off days, I doubt they ever seriously considered 12 pitchers.

Yeah, even if every single guy in the bullpen pitched all five games in a five game series, assuming it went five games, they'd still only have pitched 5 times in 8 days.

In the next round, Cincinnati might go to 12 pitchers if they make it, but probably no reason to do so this round.

TheNext44
10-05-2010, 07:20 PM
With lots of off days, I doubt they ever seriously considered 12 pitchers.

Phillies are going with 10 pitchers.

Sea Ray
10-05-2010, 07:33 PM
Let's hope Dusty's not afraid to throw Chapman more than an inning at a time

mbgrayson
10-05-2010, 07:43 PM
Where 11 pitchers (or 10 for the Phillies) gets interesting is if there is a 15 inning game...

Stewie
10-05-2010, 07:50 PM
Phillies are going with 10 pitchers.

Yep. They're still going with a 7 man bullpen (taking Bastardo as a second lefty instead of either Baez or Herndon), but since they are going with a 3 man rotation, they were able to leave Kendrick off in favor of adding another bat off the bench. With Blanton available as a long man, Kendrick isn't really needed.

reds44
10-05-2010, 08:08 PM
Where 11 pitchers (or 10 for the Phillies) gets interesting is if there is a 15 inning game...
Depends how the Reds use Wood. If they use him as a lefty specialist out of then pen then yes, but if not the Reds have two starters in the bullpen.

Far East
10-05-2010, 09:12 PM
Here are the Reds' postseason vets:

PLAYER PA BA/ OBP/ SLG/ OPS
Ramon Hernandez 79 .217/.299/.290/.589
Orlando Cabrera 155 .234/.297/.312/.609
Scott Rolen 131 .228/.321/.421/.742
Miguel Cairo 77 .303/.387/.424/.811
Jim Edmonds 263 .274/.361/.513/.874

PLAYER IP/ ERA/SO/BB/WHIP
Bronson Arroyo 17.0/7.41/20/ 9/1.65
Arthur Rhodes 17.0/4.76/19/10/1.53

As much as I like Francisco, I'd prefer Edmonds, even if Jim can only produce one AB -- ala Kirk Gibson, that is!

Scrap Irony
10-05-2010, 09:25 PM
Edmonds, IMO, is really needed. He's option one off the bench.

OesterPoster
10-05-2010, 10:26 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Alonso or Burton were eligible for the post season because they didn't get brought up to the Reds before September 1st. IIRC, they both came up in mid September and honestly, I'm not too upset that they got left off this roster that has to play against the Phillies. They don't really have the numbers to give them a spot and Burton missed a lot of time this year. Maybe Burton will be on the NLCS roster. ;)

Anyway, I really can't argue with the roster. It's most of the guys who've been with the team all season and I think it's a pretty strong team. Go Reds! :)

I could be wrong, but I thought that Alonso could have been added with that whole 60 day DL stipulation. He could take the place of Lincoln or whoever, so long as he was already on the 40 man.

Brutus
10-05-2010, 10:31 PM
I could be wrong, but I thought that Alonso could have been added with that whole 60 day DL stipulation. He could take the place of Lincoln or whoever, so long as he was already on the 40 man.

I don't believe he could take the place of Lincoln (only another pitcher can do that).

OesterPoster
10-05-2010, 10:33 PM
I thought we debunked that, and found a rule change where it didn't have to be pitcher-for-pitcher.

Brutus
10-05-2010, 10:39 PM
I thought we debunked that, and found a rule change where it didn't have to be pitcher-for-pitcher.

Yeah good point. I forgot about that. It was changed after 2007 or 2008, I think it was said.

cincinnati chili
10-06-2010, 01:48 AM
Considering we only need 3 starters, we basically have an 8-man bullpen. I think that''s silly. Even if a starting pitcher got seriously injured, Wood could start. I would have taken an extra bad over Bailey.

fearofpopvol1
10-06-2010, 02:36 AM
The roster per Fay: http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2010/10/05/last-roster-spot-will-be-edmonds-or-francisco/

Looks like Nix will start on Friday. Smart move.

Why not start him on Wed as well? Nix is absolutely a better option than Gomes in LF against RHP Halladay.

fearofpopvol1
10-06-2010, 02:48 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Alonso or Burton were eligible for the post season because they didn't get brought up to the Reds before September 1st. IIRC, they both came up in mid September and honestly, I'm not too upset that they got left off this roster that has to play against the Phillies. They don't really have the numbers to give them a spot and Burton missed a lot of time this year. Maybe Burton will be on the NLCS roster. ;)

Anyway, I really can't argue with the roster. It's most of the guys who've been with the team all season and I think it's a pretty strong team. Go Reds! :)

I thought, and I could be wrong, that if a player on the 25 man roster is injured that they could be eligible for postseason play.

If so, I would much rather have had another bat. I would have left Bailey off (since I doubt he'll pitch) and slotted Alonso in or Francisco if Edmonds plays.

I don't necessarily hate the idea of having a lot of pitchers. Matchups will be important and the Phillies could knock a pitcher out quickly. I just pray that Dusty doesn't feel the need to see a starter go 7 innings, especially if the player is in trouble after 5 or 6 innings.

Brutus
10-06-2010, 03:26 AM
Why not start him on Wed as well? Nix is absolutely a better option than Gomes in LF against RHP Halladay.

Though it's not a ton to go on, Gomes has held his own against Halladay in his career (9-for-32). He has a homer to his credit and a .760 OPS.

Nix is 2-for-4, for added context, though if Dusty has put a lot of thought into it, he might be thinking that Gomes has seen Halladay enough to be comfortable against him.

Ron Madden
10-06-2010, 03:56 AM
Where 11 pitchers (or 10 for the Phillies) gets interesting is if there is a 15 inning game...

If our starting pitchers and our offense play to there ability I have a feeling the bullpen will be fine.

I just hope Dusty doesn't take a notion to put a one legged Jim Edmonds in Center Field under any circumstance.

blumj
10-06-2010, 09:22 AM
I don't know anything about the weather forecast, this isn't a prediction of any sort whatsoever, but the scary thing about only carrying 10 pitchers because of the days off in the schedule, is that bad weather can make you have to play 4 in a row, or lose a starter after a few innings, and you can still get extra inning games, too. But 11 seems like the absolute most you should carry with the schedule being what it is. Absolute worst case, you can still use the DL.

Reds Fanatic
10-06-2010, 09:46 AM
I don't know anything about the weather forecast, this isn't a prediction of any sort whatsoever, but the scary thing about only carrying 10 pitchers because of the days off in the schedule, is that bad weather can make you have to play 4 in a row, or lose a starter after a few innings, and you can still get extra inning games, too. But 11 seems like the absolute most you should carry with the schedule being what it is. Absolute worst case, you can still use the DL.


The weather looks really good for this series. There is a slight chance 30% of scattered showers today but after that every day through game 4 looks perfect.

In fact the weather in Cincinnati is going to be amazing this weekend. Sunny with highs near 80 for Sunday and Monday's games.

cumberlandreds
10-06-2010, 09:48 AM
If Edmonds can swing the bat at all he should be on the roster. He just needs to PH.

OesterPoster
10-06-2010, 10:23 AM
I thought, and I could be wrong, that if a player on the 25 man roster is injured that they could be eligible for postseason play.

If so, I would much rather have had another bat. I would have left Bailey off (since I doubt he'll pitch) and slotted Alonso in or Francisco if Edmonds plays.

I don't necessarily hate the idea of having a lot of pitchers. Matchups will be important and the Phillies could knock a pitcher out quickly. I just pray that Dusty doesn't feel the need to see a starter go 7 innings, especially if the player is in trouble after 5 or 6 innings.

This was my thinking too. Bailey takes forever to warm up, so using him in the bullpen isn't a sure thing. You'd have to tell him to start warming up in the 4th to pitch in the 6th. I'd rather have an extra bench guy with a little speed, like Valaika. Heisey is the best pinch-hitter, so you don't want to burn him as a pinch-runner.

Homer Bailey
10-06-2010, 11:34 AM
It's Fransisco, per Fay.


johnfayman Final roster spot goes to Francisco, Edmonds is not on. That's a big blow to the #Reds.

redsfan30
10-06-2010, 11:41 AM
Ugh...I was REALLY hoping Edmonds would get that lost spot.

Dusty......DO NOT SEND JUAN FRANCISCO UP WITH THE GAME ON THE LINE, PLEASE!

Reds Fanatic
10-06-2010, 11:45 AM
It is too bad but he must not have been in good shape at all after hitting and doing some light running yesterday if he did not make the roster. They could still put Edmonds on the roster for future series if they get past this series.

OnBaseMachine
10-06-2010, 12:12 PM
That is a huge blow to the Reds. The drop off from Edmonds to Francisco is quite a difference.

lollipopcurve
10-06-2010, 12:17 PM
That is a huge blow to the Reds. The drop off from Edmonds to Francisco is quite a difference.

One AB a game. Not huge.

OnBaseMachine
10-06-2010, 12:23 PM
One AB a game. Not huge.

You never know, one AB can be the difference in a game. I have much more faith in Edmonds to get a big hit than I do Francisco.

reds44
10-06-2010, 12:27 PM
One AB a game. Not huge.
If that. Francisco is probably the 4th PHer off the bench right now. Heisey, Nix, and Cairo all will get a plate apperance before JF.

OnBaseMachine
10-06-2010, 12:32 PM
Losing Edmonds doesn't severely hurt the Reds chances of advancing but it is a big blow to the bench, IMO. Edmonds is capable of going up and there and putting runs on the board with one swing of the bat. Yeah, Francisco has a ton of power too but I don't like his overly aggressive approach in the playoffs.

redsfan30
10-06-2010, 12:34 PM
Problem is, in a potential one run game in the 9th, Dusty likes to send Juan up probably due to his power reputation hoping he'll run into one.

If "running into one" is flailing wildly at three straight breaking balls then heading back to the dugout, then that's what he's going to do.

Kc61
10-06-2010, 12:38 PM
Losing Edmonds doesn't severely hurt the Reds chances of advancing but it is a big blow to the bench, IMO. Edmonds is capable of going up and there and putting runs on the board with one swing of the bat. Yeah, Francisco has a ton of power too but I don't like his overly aggressive approach in the playoffs.

We all know that Francisco has an aggressive approach to hitting. I think he is 23, and this has been stated on Redszone many hundreds of times.

Still, I'm glad Nix is healthy enough to play. The Reds now have two lefty hitters off the bench along with Heisey and Hanigan (and Janish) from the right side. So they will be able to match up lefty-righty when necessary.

Yes, it's too bad Edmonds can't play, but with JF and Nix the Reds are well fortified against righty relievers as the games go on.

reds44
10-06-2010, 12:39 PM
Problem is, in a potential one run game in the 9th, Dusty likes to send Juan up probably due to his power reputation hoping he'll run into one.

If "running into one" is flailing wildly at three straight breaking balls then heading back to the dugout, then that's what he's going to do.
I don't think we know this for sure. Most of the time Francisco has been used in key pinch hitting spots is when we've been without Nix and Edmonds.

lollipopcurve
10-06-2010, 12:39 PM
Agree that Edmonds generally gives you a better AB than Francisco. But, since we're talking about 1 AB a game, this is highly, highly unlikely to make a significant difference in the series.

Let's hope Juan runs into one.

OnBaseMachine
10-06-2010, 12:41 PM
We all know that Francisco has an aggressive approach to hitting. I think he is 23, and this has been stated on Redszone many hundreds of times.

Still, I'm glad Nix is healthy enough to play. The Reds now have two lefty hitters off the bench along with Heisey and Hanigan (and Janish) from the right side. So they will be able to match up lefty-righty when necessary.

Yes, it's too bad Edmonds can't play, but with JF and Nix the Reds are well fortified against righty relievers as the games go on.

I like Juan. I like his future, but right now he's not major league ready, IMO, let alone ready to be a threat off the bench in the playoffs. Here's to hoping Juan proves me wrong by having some huge key hits in this series. :beerme:

Kc61
10-06-2010, 12:43 PM
I like Juan. I like his future, but right now he's not major league ready, IMO, let alone ready to be a threat off the bench in the playoffs. Here's to Juan proving me wrong by having some huge key hits in this series. :beerme:


If the Reds need a late inning pinch hitter in a big spot, it will not be JF.
It will be Nix or Gomes. Or Hanigan.

JF is likely the sixth or seventh inning pinch hitter when the starting pitcher has had enough. I think he'll be able to handle it.

medford
10-06-2010, 12:50 PM
No Harang. I wonder if they'll say it's because he was ineffective, or if they'll say it was because of his blister.

Well that would assume anyone asks the question like they thought he should have been on the playoff roster. blister or not, he wasn't going to make the playoff roster. Its unfortunate; he was the anchor of the team thru some bad year, great in the community and by accounts of friends who's parents live across the street from him, a great person. But none of those are good enough reason to include him for a roster spot in the biggest series in the last 15 years. I hope he bounces back next season, comes back w/ perhaps San Diego and has a few more good years left in him, but he's not one of the 25 best assests to this teams chances of advancing to round 2.

Reds1
10-06-2010, 12:54 PM
I predict now that Francisco will get one key hit in this series. :) I don't think this is huge, especially since Nix is back. I'd say the last guy off the bench will be lucky to get even one AB. I'd rather have Edmonds, but reds are going into this 96% loaded. Meaning 24 of their best 25 out there. They rave on his talent and maybe this will catapult his career.

Roy Tucker
10-06-2010, 01:02 PM
Ah, its the recurring RZ "25th man on the roster" discussion. :)

I'd rather Edmonds be on the roster but Francisco will do fine. From what I've seen of his critical PH appearances, he is fearless and takes his rips. The guy has hitting talent out the wazoo.

sivman17
10-06-2010, 01:06 PM
Edmonds vs:
Halladay: 1-3, RBI
Oswalt 11-51,
Hamels: 0 AB
Lidge: 0-5
Madson: 3 ks

Far East
10-06-2010, 01:19 PM
If that. Francisco is probably the 4th PHer off the bench right now. Heisey, Nix, and Cairo all will get a plate apperance before JF.
But the Reds are gaining a 4th PH (Francisco) and losing a possible 1st PH (Edmonds).

camisadelgolf
10-06-2010, 01:45 PM
But the Reds are gaining a 4th PH (Francisco) and losing a possible 1st PH (Edmonds).
Against a rhp, who would you rather have in the lineup at 3B: Miguel Cairo, Paul Janish, or Juan Francisco? Sure, Edmonds to Francisco is a downgrade when it comes to pinch-hitting, but keeping in mind Rolen's injury history, the infield depth could really come in handy.

reds44
10-06-2010, 02:05 PM
But the Reds are gaining a 4th PH (Francisco) and losing a possible 1st PH (Edmonds).
There's no doubt it hurts the Reds, but keep in mind if you use Edmonds as a PHer and he gets on, you'd probably have to run for him too.

From twitter:
Edmonds career postseason AB's: 230. Francisco career ML AB's: 73

Eric_the_Red
10-06-2010, 02:05 PM
I don't think Edmonds to Francisco is that big of a deal. Sure Edmonds is more likely to reach base, but that isn't saying much compared to JF. Perhaps it is a choice between a player that will weakly ground out to one that will strike out. (Can you tell I'm not a big Edmonds fan? Old habits die hard, and I haven't been impressed by what I've seen of Edmonds in a Reds uni.)

But, if one of the actually made contact, I like the chances of JF getting more bases than Edmonds. If the games come down to one at bat, then I like the Reds chances, since they have the superior bullpen/bench. Close games favor the Reds.

If the Reds are pinning their hopes of post season success on Jim Edmonds, then the series is over before it starts.

camisadelgolf
10-06-2010, 02:50 PM
It also seemed like Edmonds was acquired for his intangibles as much as anything else. His intangibles will still be present. And if the Reds go deep in the playoffs, there's always the chance he could take someone else's place in the event of injury.

fearofpopvol1
10-06-2010, 02:57 PM
I know that Francisco has had more success in a small sample than Alonso, but I would rather have Alonso on the bench than Francisco.

camisadelgolf
10-06-2010, 03:19 PM
I know that Francisco has had more success in a small sample than Alonso, but I would rather have Alonso on the bench than Francisco.
I can understand that, and even though I think Alonso will be a stud some day, I think he was overly-aggressive at the plate and overeager to hit the ball while up with the big club.

Reds Fanatic
10-06-2010, 03:39 PM
From John Fay's twitter:


Edmonds: "It's not good. I've been poked and prodded. It didn't react. Today, I can barely walk."

Far East
10-06-2010, 04:15 PM
...If the Reds are pinning their hopes of post season success on Jim Edmonds, then the series is over before it starts.
Unless Edmonds were healthy.

If Edmunds were 100% healthy, he'd be in my lineup against righties in place of Gomes.

Eric_the_Red
10-06-2010, 04:29 PM
Unless Edmonds were healthy.

If Edmunds were 100% healthy, he'd be in my lineup against righties in place of Gomes.

I don't think Edmonds has really been healthy since he arrived.

Big Klu
10-11-2010, 01:30 AM
Unless I'm mistaken, the only player on the postseason 25-man roster who did not get into any of the three games was Francisco Cordero.

Reds1
10-11-2010, 08:46 AM
Unless I'm mistaken, the only player on the postseason 25-man roster who did not get into any of the three games was Francisco Cordero.

He PH in game one against the media made god and actually hit it up the middle with a decent play by the SS I think.

edabbs44
10-11-2010, 08:57 AM
Unless I'm mistaken, the only player on the postseason 25-man roster who did not get into any of the three games was Francisco Cordero.

The irony of all ironies. Well that and that the great defensive meltdown of 2010 took place with JG and OC on the bench.

Danny Serafini
10-11-2010, 10:43 AM
He PH in game one against the media made god and actually hit it up the middle with a decent play by the SS I think.

That was Juan Francisco.

Reds1
10-11-2010, 04:40 PM
That was Juan Francisco.

sorry was talking about him in another post. We all knew it was a tough match up, but we should be playing game 4 tonight, but that would have probably have been it. :)