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redssince75
10-06-2010, 12:49 PM
On the ESPN radio talk shows yesterday....and in the paper......and on internet analysis. On the Colin Blowhard show, not only did Blowhard discount them (he likes the Yankees because "sports needs dynasties"), he had some guests who "drafted" the teams in order of likelihood of winning the whole thing. The Reds were 8th of 8. Like the last kid, the fat kid picked on the playground.

USA Today's cover story on ace pitchers and their importance in the playoffs...no mention of the Reds.

We're the under-under-underdog boys. And I kind of like it that way. :thumbup:

arkimadee
10-06-2010, 01:08 PM
well then the Reds have nothing to lose. If they lose then it was expected and if they win they will be THE story of the postseason. I mean people seem to forget that no matter how much water that the Phillies pitchers and hitters walk on, it is still baseball.

markymark69
10-06-2010, 01:13 PM
On the ESPN radio talk shows yesterday....and in the paper......and on internet analysis. On the Colin Blowhard show, not only did Blowhard discount them (he likes the Yankees because "sports needs dynasties"), he had some guests who "drafted" the teams in order of likelihood of winning the whole thing. The Reds were 8th of 8. Like the last kid, the fat kid picked on the playground.

USA Today's cover story on ace pitchers and their importance in the playoffs...no mention of the Reds.

We're the under-under-underdog boys. And I kind of like it that way. :thumbup:

You might want to watch MLB Network - they aren't saying the Reds are going to win, but they aren't fawning all over the Phillies either. It's very good analysis and guys like Al Leiter and Billy Ripken are at least giving the Reds a fighting chance.

As far as ESPN - I am not surprised.

Go Reds - take it to them.

Biff Pocoroba
10-06-2010, 01:16 PM
I certainly can't blame any pundit out there for picking the Phils in this series, much less the whole ball of wax. Their lineup, their experience, their rotation and their hot September all speak in their favor.

That's not to say we can't do it. All you have to do is check out the predictions for the 1990 World Series to know that the consensus pick turn out to be collossally wrong

redsfan_12
10-06-2010, 01:19 PM
As much as I hate Skip Bayless, he didn't put down the Reds either.

We have nothing to lose in this series. Heck, next year was supposed to be our year. This team has faced adversity many times this tear. Starting out 7-11 including swept by the Pirates, Blowing a big lead in Atlanta, getting swept by Philly,StL, then the horrid trip there and in Colorado. Yet they bounced back every single time. I'm almost 21, so hopefully this is just a taste of what is to come in the future. This is my favorite Reds team since I've been a fan 16 some years. Let's go!!!

bounty37h
10-06-2010, 01:40 PM
Good, love us against the world, and when we win, we can tell the rest to stick it.

redssince75
10-06-2010, 01:42 PM
You might want to watch MLB Network -

I don't get that.

The "scout's take" in today's USA Today -- pretty much every point was why the Reds can't beat the Phillies.

markymark69
10-06-2010, 01:53 PM
I don't get that.

The "scout's take" in today's USA Today -- pretty much every point was why the Reds can't beat the Phillies.

Just pointing out that MLB Network was not annointing the Phillies as champion and they gave good analysis of the series.

Reds
10-06-2010, 01:57 PM
I've heard many people say that most of our chance of pulling an upset hinges on tonight. I've not heard a sole say we can go down in the series and win. Things that aren't mentioned do happen though.

krm1580
10-06-2010, 01:58 PM
First of all ESPN is a joke. The fact that they have ESPN.Boston, ESPN.New York, ESPN Chicago, ESPN.Dallas and ESPN.Los Angeles (Also I heard ESPN.Farve is coming out too) tells you everything you need to know about the network. If you are not from those cities you are simply filler for the back end of their show.

Second of all not EVERYBODY is against the Reds, Pedro Gomez & Kevin Millar for example both predicted the Reds to win the series. But the majority of people expect the Phillies to win and with good reason. They are about as complete an National League team as there has been in a long time. The have great starting pitching and a very good lineup 1-8. Their bullpen is pretty average but can be completely masked by their big 3 in the rotation.

The other part of the story as much as it pains me to admit it, is the Reds have not handled their business against good teams this year. The huge series against the Cards when Phillips shot off his mouth they got swept. The series in Philly they got swept. They go out to Colorado and get swept. They go out to SF and were lucky to escape with one.

As fans who watch the team, we see the potential. We are aware on any given day Volquez and Cueto can match pitch for pitch with anybody or that Votto and Bruce can swing the lumber with anyone. But to the casual observer the Reds are complete frauds and they can break out the winning % against good teams to prove it.

Personally I think the Reds can win the series. I think they need a lot of things to go right and don't have nearly the wiggle room the Phillies do if things go wrong. For me the really good news though, is in my opinion the Reds are a year ahead of schedule. I did not anticipate the playoffs this year, but regardless of the outcome the experience will be invaluable.

Biff Pocoroba
10-06-2010, 02:11 PM
I've heard many people say that most of our chance of pulling an upset hinges on tonight. I've not heard a sole say we can go down in the series and win. Things that aren't mentioned do happen though.

I disagree with those folks. The visiting team just needs to earn a split. That's a true today as it has been since forever

redssince75
10-06-2010, 02:15 PM
Just pointing out that MLB Network was not annointing the Phillies as champion and they gave good analysis of the series.

lol by "I don't get that" I just literally meant I do not get MLB Network on my TV at home; not that I didn't get your post. Looking back, I see the ambiguity.

redssince75
10-06-2010, 02:15 PM
First of all ESPN is a joke. The fact that they have ESPN.Boston, ESPN.New York, ESPN Chicago, ESPN.Dallas and ESPN.Los Angeles (Also I heard ESPN.Farve is coming out too) tells you everything you need to know about the network. If you are not from those cities you are simply filler for the back end of their show.

Second of all not EVERYBODY is against the Reds, Pedro Gomez & Kevin Millar for example both predicted the Reds to win the series. But the majority of people expect the Phillies to win and with good reason. They are about as complete an National League team as there has been in a long time. The have great starting pitching and a very good lineup 1-8. Their bullpen is pretty average but can be completely masked by their big 3 in the rotation.

The other part of the story as much as it pains me to admit it, is the Reds have not handled their business against good teams this year. The huge series against the Cards when Phillips shot off his mouth they got swept. The series in Philly they got swept. They go out to Colorado and get swept. They go out to SF and were lucky to escape with one.

As fans who watch the team, we see the potential. We are aware on any given day Volquez and Cueto can match pitch for pitch with anybody or that Votto and Bruce can swing the lumber with anyone. But to the casual observer the Reds are complete frauds and they can break out the winning % against good teams to prove it.

Personally I think the Reds can win the series. I think they need a lot of things to go right and don't have nearly the wiggle room the Phillies do if things go wrong. For me the really good news though, is in my opinion the Reds are a year ahead of schedule. I did not anticipate the playoffs this year, but regardless of the outcome the experience will be invaluable.

Good post.

brm7675
10-06-2010, 04:05 PM
To me this comes down to a simple question. If you had $100 left to bet at a casino and you had your life to live on the winnings, whom do you bet on? I love my Reds, but if you take all factors into account, i put my $100 on the Phils.

Cincinnati 8
10-06-2010, 04:27 PM
Let the talking heads say what the may, you still got to play the game on the field. You never know, maybe the Reds can find lighting in a bottle and magic in their bats. Let's get em Cincy, let's get em.

Go Reds

mlh1981
10-06-2010, 04:57 PM
I quit listening to Colin Cowherd.

I ranted/raved about him a few weeks ago, then I took the more logical step, which is, to stop listening.

Vottomatic
10-06-2010, 05:04 PM
Yahoo did an analysis yesterday and all 3 analysts said the Reds could upset the Phils.

But when the time came to make a pick, only 1 guy said the Reds would win.

redssince75
10-06-2010, 05:16 PM
To me this comes down to a simple question. If you had $100 left to bet at a casino and you had your life to live on the winnings, whom do you bet on? I love my Reds, but if you take all factors into account, i put my $100 on the Phils.

No that's not the question or a good analogy. Your gambling analogy comes down to "what is the better chance?" But the question all the analysts have been saying (at least that I see anyway) is "do the Reds even HAVE a chance?" They've been saying no, and I don't agree.

BlastFurnace
10-06-2010, 05:19 PM
On the ESPN radio talk shows yesterday....and in the paper......and on internet analysis. On the Colin Blowhard show, not only did Blowhard discount them (he likes the Yankees because "sports needs dynasties"), he had some guests who "drafted" the teams in order of likelihood of winning the whole thing. The Reds were 8th of 8. Like the last kid, the fat kid picked on the playground.

USA Today's cover story on ace pitchers and their importance in the playoffs...no mention of the Reds.

We're the under-under-underdog boys. And I kind of like it that way. :thumbup:

They didn't give us a chance in 1990 either.....

Vottomatic
10-06-2010, 05:34 PM
Alot of championships have been won by a team given no chance to win. It can work in your favor big time.

PeteRoseBelongs
10-06-2010, 05:57 PM
damnit, why isn't Hanigan behind the dish in this series. Hernandez does not know how to handle pitching. You can not go away, away, away, away against these hitters. It's ok to pitch someone inside once and a while. I don't even agree with starting EV in game one. Ok, now lets see what happens with Wood now

PeteRoseBelongs
10-06-2010, 05:59 PM
that a boy, now lets gone one here

Vottomatic
10-06-2010, 07:15 PM
No one giving the Reds a chance........INCLUDING ROY HALLADAY. :eek:

aldotcs
10-06-2010, 07:55 PM
To me this comes down to a simple question. If you had $100 left to bet at a casino and you had your life to live on the winnings, whom do you bet on? I love my Reds, but if you take all factors into account, i put my $100 on the Phils.

That's not a simple question. That's a bizarre situation. If you think the Reds are going to lose even though they are your favorite team, that's all you have to say.
It's not your intention, but that betting on your team to lose smells too much like the Black Sox Scandal. I couldn't do it.

Beast of Busco
10-06-2010, 08:01 PM
Well the Reds sure didn't do anything tonight to make the media feel like they are wrong in their predictions.

Halladay was superb and showed why is one, if not THE best pitcher in baseball.

Too bad the Reds don't have an ace like that yet.