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TC81190
10-09-2010, 08:31 PM
Watching this game 3 in the ALDS, I can't help but feel like this guy is exactly what this team needs. He fits in exactly with what the team does well, and addresses some of the holes that they have. He's already made 2 good catches tonight and just added an insurance run via HR in the top of the 9th for the Rays. He's already got experience on the biggest stage in baseball, something this team clearly needs.

I know he's expected to start a bidding war between the big market clubs, and the Reds wouldn't be expected to compete. The same thing was said about Chapman though, and we got him. If we got creative, we could clear payroll space for him. Moving a few of the players nearing arbitration for other missing pieces (like Cueto or Volquez) could help, as well as choosing not to retain players we have cheap replacements for like Cabrera and Hernandez. If we maybe moved Phillips, or Cordero with a couple prospects and chipping in on his salary, I think the team could make it work.

Thoughts?

webbbj
10-09-2010, 08:38 PM
i agree we could make it work. trading phillips could work since there is a replacemet player and there is no replacement player for LF. i'd love to trade cordero. i'd hate to trade phillips b/c ive come attached to this team so much that id hate to see him go but to be honest at the end of the day i just want th best collection of players on the field to help us win.

TC81190
10-09-2010, 08:42 PM
i agree we could make it work. trading phillips could work since there is a replacemet player and there is no replacement player for LF. i'd love to trade cordero. i'd hate to trade phillips b/c ive come attached to this team so much that id hate to see him go but to be honest at the end of the day i just want th best collection of players on the field to help us win.
I feel the same way. If you could move Cordero with say a Frazier or Francisco or another prospect, I think somebody bites on a year of his salary. That would honestly clear a year of Crawford's salary by itself.

Then if you really wanted to get ambitious, you could move Cueto/Volquez with Mesoraco/Alonso or whoever to KC for Greinke. Take their arbitration eligible salaries out of consideration, and with the playoff money the team should be seeing, they'd be in good shape monetarily, and address two of the team's biggest holes.

Vottomatic
10-09-2010, 09:00 PM
The Reds need to start wheelin' and dealin' some of their surplus players and get the missing pieces of the puzzle.

I agree you need to look at the positions that have cheaper, nearly equal backups, such as Valaika for Phillips, and Janish for OCab.

Then they need to entice some team to take Cordero off their hands by adding in some desired prospects along with it, and the fact Cordero only has one more year wouldn't be too much for some team to take on if they want to rebuild with some quality prospects we give them.

Don't re-sign OCab (-$3M), trade Phillips (-$11M0, trade Cordero (-$12M).........save $26M.

Don't re-sign Gomes, even though he's cheap. We have plenty of OFers in waiting - Heisey, Balentien, Dorn, Sappelt, etc..........and if we're talking about signing Crawford, those guys would be backups anyway. So no room for Gomes if you sign Crawford.

TC81190
10-09-2010, 09:06 PM
Exactly. The team has already shown the ability to be creative in payroll management to get the guy they want, like in negotiating Chapman's contract. They reworked Rolen's contract, they traded Rosales with Taveras to get he and his marginal salary off the roster. Trading a guy like Maloney or another surplus guy with Cordero is something I wouldn't say would be out of pattern for this team.

arkimadee
10-09-2010, 09:12 PM
There is no way in hell they can move Cordero to free up money. There are not alot of takers for overpaid closers who lead the league in blown saves.. just sayin

TC81190
10-09-2010, 09:14 PM
Let's say you go the super ambitious route and move all the parts around you need to get Crawford and Greinke:

2B Phillips
LF Crawford
1B Votto
3B Rolen
RF Bruce
CF Stubbs
C Hanigan
SS Janish

Greinke
Arroyo
Cueto/Volquez
Wood
Leake/Bailey

Chapman
Rhodes (if you resign him)
Masset
Ondrusek
Bray
Burton

With guys like Valaika, Nix, Heisey, and whatever cheap veteran they might choose to replace Cairo, that's a pretty deep and well rounded team that would be the favorite for the division and be set-up to go deep in the post season.

TC81190
10-09-2010, 09:16 PM
There is no way in hell they can move Cordero to free up money. There are not alot of takers for overpaid closers who lead the league in blown saves.. just sayin
No one would take Cordero just to take him, but with a good enough incentive prospect thrown in, a team with relief problems might be willing to roll the dice for a year if they get a good young player along with him.

Vottomatic
10-09-2010, 09:22 PM
Let's say you go the super ambitious route and move all the parts around you need to get Crawford and Greinke:

2B Phillips
LF Crawford
1B Votto
3B Rolen
RF Bruce
CF Stubbs
C Hanigan
SS Janish

Greinke
Arroyo
Cueto/Volquez
Wood
Leake/Bailey

Chapman
Rhodes (if you resign him)
Masset
Ondrusek
Bray
Burton

With guys like Valaika, Nix, Heisey, and whatever cheap veteran they might choose to replace Cairo, that's a pretty deep and well rounded team that would be the favorite for the division and be set-up to go deep in the post season.

I think Scott needs to be moved down the order and platooned with Francisco.

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Rolen will consider retirement this offseason. He seems like a proud guy and his second half and postseason performance has been awful due to health problems.

We really need Bruce to emerge as that 4-hole hitter next year.

TC81190
10-09-2010, 09:25 PM
I think Scott needs to be moved down the order and platooned with Francisco.

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Rolen will consider retirement this offseason. He seems like a proud guy and his second half and postseason performance has been awful due to health problems.

We really need Bruce to emerge as that 4-hole hitter next year.
He definitely hasn't looked good. It's not a problem that's going to go away, but maybe an offseason of rest can at least help.

Complete off the wall idea, but I wonder what the price would be for Mark Reynolds from the DBacks to back up Rolen.