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Danny Serafini
11-08-2010, 02:43 PM
This year's election is for players, managers, umps and execs from 1973 to the present. Here's the full list: former players Vida Blue, Dave Concepcion, Steve Garvey, Ron Guidry, Tommy John, Al Oliver, Ted Simmons and Rusty Staub; former manager Billy Martin; and executives Pat Gillick, Marvin Miller and George Steinbrenner.

Candidates need 12 votes from a 16 man committee to get in. Considering Johnny Bench and Tony Perez both are on that committee, Concepcion might have a decent chance. Results will be announced December 6. Here's the full story:

http://baseballhall.org/news/press-releases/expansion-era-committee-consider-12-candidates-hall-fame-election-december%27s

OnBaseMachine
11-08-2010, 02:52 PM
How awesome would it be if Concepcion and Larkin both got voted in this year?

George Anderson
11-08-2010, 03:06 PM
How awesome would it be if Concepcion and Larkin both got voted in this year?

Davey probally won't make it but yes that would be beyond awesome!!

KronoRed
11-08-2010, 04:17 PM
Larkin likely has to wait again as well.

vic715
11-08-2010, 04:53 PM
Of that list Davey and Simmons seem to be most worthy.They are all worthy to a degree but if could hand pick two then those are my two.

savafan
11-08-2010, 05:36 PM
Tommy John probably ended up getting a lot of other pitchers into the Hall of Fame.

macro
11-08-2010, 06:05 PM
Tommy John probably ended up getting a lot of other pitchers into the Hall of Fame.

Yes, but why would his parents name him after a surgical procedure, anyway?

BCubb2003
11-08-2010, 07:55 PM
Yes, but why would his parents name him after a surgical procedure, anyway?

He should have seen that coming. Become a position player while he had the chance.

savafan
11-08-2010, 08:10 PM
Yes, but why would his parents name him after a surgical procedure, anyway?

At least he wasn't named after a disease like that Gehrig fella.

BCubb2003
11-08-2010, 08:21 PM
Mario Mendoza is the one you really have to feel sorry for.

George Anderson
11-08-2010, 09:24 PM
Yes, but why would his parents name him after a surgical procedure, anyway?

It beats Lou Gehrig's parent naming him after a deadly disease.

mth123
11-08-2010, 09:34 PM
For me, the players on this list pretty much represent the cut-off point between Hall of Famers and guys who don't make it. Simmons, Garvey and Oliver are three of the best pure hitters I've seen. Ron Guidry and Vida Blue were stars for championship clubs. Concepcion was the SS for the turf era and Tommy John should be in for a number of reasons but at the very least for blazing the trail in the comeback from used up elbows (his rehab and dedication have as much to do with the success of the operation and the subsequent continuation of its use as the medical team who pioneered it). Only Staub clearly doesn't belong IMO.

Marvin Miller had a bigger impact on the game than anyone on the list and Pat Gillick is an executive who deserves to be in. I'm guessing none of the players make it, but the late comedy team of George Steinbrenner and Billy Martin and up going in. If only one player goes, my vote is for Tommy John.

Ron Madden
11-09-2010, 03:19 AM
I'd love to see Concepcion make it but I have a feeling he wont.

Steinbrenner and Martin might make it just because they're Steinbrenner and Martin.

OnBaseMachine
11-09-2010, 11:35 AM
From Jamie Ramsey's blog:


The 16-member electorate charged with the review of the Expansion Era ballot features: Hall of Fame members Johnny Bench, Whitey Herzog, Eddie Murray, Jim Palmer, Tony Perez, Frank Robinson, Ryne Sandberg and Ozzie Smith; major league executives Bill Giles (Phillies), David Glass (Royals), Andy MacPhail (Orioles) and Jerry Reinsdorf (White Sox); and veteran media members Bob Elliott (Toronto Sun), Tim Kurkjian (ESPN), Ross Newhan (retired, Los Angeles Times) and Tom Verducci (Sports Illustrated).

http://ramsey.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/11/concepcion-considered-for-cooperstown.html

Concepcion needs 12 votes to get elected. Johnny Bench and Tony Perez are locks to vote for him. Even though Frank Robinson never played with Davey, you have to think he would vote for a fellow Red. Who knows about the others...

redsmetz
11-09-2010, 11:50 AM
From Jamie Ramsey's blog:



http://ramsey.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/11/concepcion-considered-for-cooperstown.html

Concepcion needs 12 votes to get elected. Johnny Bench and Tony Perez are locks to vote for him. Even though Frank Robinson never played with Davey, you have to think he would vote for a fellow Red. Who knows about the others...

I think Ozzie Smith is a good bet. He knows he supplanted Concepcion as the premier shortstop - really Smith was a bridge between Davey and Larkin.

Jpup
11-09-2010, 12:02 PM
From Jamie Ramsey's blog:



http://ramsey.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/11/concepcion-considered-for-cooperstown.html

Concepcion needs 12 votes to get elected. Johnny Bench and Tony Perez are locks to vote for him. Even though Frank Robinson never played with Davey, you have to think he would vote for a fellow Red. Who knows about the others...

One would think that this year would be Davey's best chance. I could see him get 12 votes from these guys.

RedsBaron
11-09-2010, 12:11 PM
For me, the players on this list pretty much represent the cut-off point between Hall of Famers and guys who don't make it. Simmons, Garvey and Oliver are three of the best pure hitters I've seen. Ron Guidry and Vida Blue were stars for championship clubs. Concepcion was the SS for the turf era and Tommy John should be in for a number of reasons but at the very least for blazing the trail in the comeback from used up elbows (his rehab and dedication have as much to do with the success of the operation and the subsequent continuation of its use as the medical team who pioneered it). Only Staub clearly doesn't belong IMO.

Marvin Miller had a bigger impact on the game than anyone on the list and Pat Gillick is an executive who deserves to be in. I'm guessing none of the players make it, but the late comedy team of George Steinbrenner and Billy Martin and up going in. If only one player goes, my vote is for Tommy John.

With the possible exception of Rusty Staub, all of the other players on this list (1) were better players than some players already in the Hall of Fame and (2) are at best borderline Hall of Famers. I'd love to see Dave Concepcion in the HOF, and there are shortstops in the HOF who were no better than Davey, but there are also some shortstops (Alan Trammell for example) who are more deserving of the HOF than Davey but have thus far been denied admission. I can't get too upset one way or the other about whether or not any of those players are either inducted or left out.
As far as executives and managers, I think too many of them have been admitted already. Billy Martin had an interesting managerial carer, but not one deserving of Cooperstown IMO.

OnBaseMachine
11-09-2010, 12:39 PM
I think Ozzie Smith is a good bet. He knows he supplanted Concepcion as the premier shortstop - really Smith was a bridge between Davey and Larkin.

Agreed on Ozzie. I just found this quote from Ozzie from a couple years ago: "I think that David Concepcion deserves to be in Cooperstown ".

http://academic.udayton.edu/davesalisbury//concepcion/

Unfortunately, in that same link there is a bit from Verducci where he says he doesn't think Davey is a HOFer. Too bad Jon Heyman doesn't have a vote as he is a big supporter of Concepcion.

RedsBaron
11-10-2010, 10:39 AM
Vada Pinson partisans should root for Al Oliver to be inducted.
Pinson scored 1366 runs, Oliver scored 1189.
Pinson had 2757 hits, Oliver had 2743 hits.
Pinson had 485 doubles, Oliver had 529 doubles.
Pinson had 127 triples, Oliver had 77 triples.
Pinson had 256 HRs, Oliver had 219 HRs.
Pinson had 1170 RBI, Oliver had 1326 RBI.
Pinson had 305 stolen bases, Oliver had 84 stolen bases.
Pinson had a career BA of .286, Oliver had a career BA of .303.
Pinson had a career OBP of .327, Oliver had a career OBP of .344.
Pinson had a career SLG of .442, Oliver had a career SLG of .451.
Oliver made seven all star teams to Pinson's two.
Oliver was a mediocre fielder, whereas Pinson was a Gold Glove centerfielder.

George Anderson
11-10-2010, 11:02 AM
Vada Pinson partisans should root for Al Oliver to be inducted.
Pinson scored 1366 runs, Oliver scored 1189.
Pinson had 2757 hits, Oliver had 2743 hits.
Pinson had 485 doubles, Oliver had 529 doubles.
Pinson had 127 triples, Oliver had 77 triples.
Pinson had 256 HRs, Oliver had 219 HRs.
Pinson had 1170 RBI, Oliver had 1326 RBI.
Pinson had 305 stolen bases, Oliver had 84 stolen bases.
Pinson had a career BA of .286, Oliver had a career BA of .303.
Pinson had a career OBP of .327, Oliver had a career OBP of .344.
Pinson had a career SLG of .442, Oliver had a career SLG of .451.
Oliver made seven all star teams to Pinson's two.
Oliver was a mediocre fielder, whereas Pinson was a Gold Glove centerfielder.

Oliver amazingly only received 4.3% of the 75% needed for induction.

Hall of Fame Voting
Year Election Votes Pct
1991 BBWAA 19 4.3%

RichRed
11-10-2010, 12:46 PM
Oliver amazingly only received 4.3% of the 75% needed for induction.

Hall of Fame Voting
Year Election Votes Pct
1991 BBWAA 19 4.3%

It's funny, I was just looking at Oliver's stats the other day and thinking, if he had played for the Yankees during his prime he'd be a shoo-in for the Hall.

cumberlandreds
11-10-2010, 01:31 PM
I will always think that if Concepcion played his career in NYC he would have been in the HOF by now. There are a few other SS in the HOF with comparable stats or not as good as Davey's. With the exception of Ozzie Smith I have not seen a better nor consistent SS than Concepcion. He deserves to be there but probably never will. With Bench and Perez on the committee maybe they can persuade enough votes for him.

George Anderson
11-10-2010, 02:08 PM
I will always think that if Concepcion played his career in NYC he would have been in the HOF by now. .

The Scooter and Pee Wee say hello.

cumberlandreds
11-12-2010, 08:29 AM
The Scooter and Pee Wee say hello.

That's exactly who I was thinking about. I didn't see either play but if IIRC they have comparable stats.