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blumj
11-09-2010, 05:17 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/

If you're not laughing, keep looking.

Redsfan320
11-09-2010, 05:23 PM
"Well, let's see... who to give gold gloves to this year... well, I mean, Jeter and Ichiro it goes without saying... now let's look at some numbers, and actually decide for the other seven."

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RedsManRick
11-09-2010, 05:25 PM
Bottom of the 9th, bases loaded, down by 1. The ball is hit sharply up the middle (or in the hole). Of all SS in the AL, Jeter is the one most voters would want making the play?

Brutus
11-09-2010, 05:38 PM
Bottom of the 9th, bases loaded, down by 1. The ball is hit sharply up the middle (or in the hole). Of all SS in the AL, Jeter is the one most voters would want making the play?

I think you just put more effort into that logic than they did.

Tony Cloninger
11-09-2010, 05:57 PM
I always thought Horace Clarke should have won some more GG than he did. :beerme:

redsmetz
11-09-2010, 06:11 PM
I like that Baseball-reference added an aside on Jeter, "We can't believe it either" over into the NL list side. :laugh:

nemesis
11-09-2010, 06:13 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/

If you're not laughing, keep looking.

Well at least Gutierrez got his over Hunter. He deserved one. The good news of that is Bruce will probably get his as well.

blumj
11-09-2010, 06:34 PM
I like that Baseball-reference added an aside on Jeter, "We can't believe it either" over into the NL list side. :laugh:
That's what I meant by: if you're not laughing, keep looking. Although, now that I think again, maybe some laughed without seeing that.

15fan
11-09-2010, 08:32 PM
After getting snubbed in 2009, I'd like to see Greg Maddux get the NL P award in the 2010 voting.

Redsfan320
11-09-2010, 08:47 PM
They removed the Jeter comment from the front page now... hmm.

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KronoRed
11-09-2010, 08:53 PM
Is it gold glove or iron glove?

HeatherC1212
11-09-2010, 10:17 PM
I was amused that earlier today Twitter was filled with more comments about the ridiculous awarding of Jeter with another GG than comments about who actually deserved their awards, LOL :laugh:

That said, Jeter wasn't even the best SS in his own division. How on earth did he win for the entire AL?! :confused: :bang:

Ron Madden
11-10-2010, 04:08 AM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/

If you're not laughing, keep looking.


Sometimes we have to laugh to keep from crying.

IMO, Derek Jeter has nothing to be ashamed of....

Too bad we can't say the same about the people that voted for him.

blumj
11-10-2010, 08:39 AM
Crawford's the 1st left fielder to win a GG since Darin Erstad in 2000. I don't remember this, but I guess it took the Angels a little while to figure out that they should probably play Erstad in center and Anderson in left instead of the other way around.

pahster
11-10-2010, 08:53 AM
Crawford's the 1st left fielder to win a GG since Darin Erstad in 2000. I don't remember this, but I guess it took the Angels a little while to figure out that they should probably play Erstad in center and Anderson in left instead of the other way around.

And then they played him at first. Genius!

NJReds
11-10-2010, 09:32 AM
As opposed to most, I actually like Jeter, and have enjoyed watching him play over the years. He's surehanded, and doesn't make many errors, but his range is really poor. There has to be a better defensive SS in the AL. This just makes a joke out of the award.

Chip R
11-10-2010, 09:36 AM
Fans and sportswriters need not be embarrassed over the selections they make for ASGs and postseason awards since the coaches and managers are just as bad if not worse.

I fully expect the Reds to get shut out today.

Roy Tucker
11-10-2010, 09:43 AM
So who should have won the AL SS GG?

Redsfan320
11-10-2010, 09:50 AM
So who should have won the AL SS GG?

Off the top of my head, Elvis Andrus (SS-Tex) is pretty good.

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westofyou
11-10-2010, 09:59 AM
GG is a joke award, has been for years, if this didn't sway you then nothing will


1999 1b winner's fielding stats


FIRST BASE

YEAR TEAM AGE G PO A E DP PCT
1999 Rangers 34 28 262 13 1 23 .996

blumj
11-10-2010, 09:59 AM
So who should have won the AL SS GG?

Either Alexei Ramirez or Cliff Pennington would have been very good choices, Andrus or Aybar wouldn't have been terrible choices.

RANDY IN INDY
11-10-2010, 11:38 AM
"Pasta diving Jeter," kinda sums it up. No he doesn't dive into spaghetti or linguini.

"There's another groundball, past a diving Jeter.";)

Ghosts of 1990
11-10-2010, 01:50 PM
I have a question; what was the site that was posted on RZ not long ago in which we were allowed to each vote on any player on any team in baseball and rate them according to what type of defensive player that they were. I cannot remember it for the life of me and I'm trying to find it for a friend. Thanks a ton in advance.

blumj
11-10-2010, 02:27 PM
I have a question; what was the site that was posted on RZ not long ago in which we were allowed to each vote on any player on any team in baseball and rate them according to what type of defensive player that they were. I cannot remember it for the life of me and I'm trying to find it for a friend. Thanks a ton in advance.

Was it this?

http://www.tangotiger.net/scout/

Ghosts of 1990
11-10-2010, 04:46 PM
Was it this?

http://www.tangotiger.net/scout/

perfect. Thanks Blum

HeatherC1212
11-10-2010, 04:52 PM
Fans and sportswriters need not be embarrassed over the selections they make for ASGs and postseason awards since the coaches and managers are just as bad if not worse.

I fully expect the Reds to get shut out today.

Are you now pleasantly surprised or eating a little crow? ;) :beerme:

buckeyenut
11-10-2010, 07:53 PM
I was amused that earlier today Twitter was filled with more comments about the ridiculous awarding of Jeter with another GG than comments about who actually deserved their awards, LOL :laugh:

That said, Jeter wasn't even the best SS in his own division. How on earth did he win for the entire AL?! :confused: :bang:Jeter hasn't been the best SS on his own team for years. That guy has been playing 3B

blumj
11-10-2010, 08:20 PM
Jeter hasn't been the best SS on his own team for years. That guy has been playing 3B
Probably not anymore, though. Those hip injuries are tough.

edabbs44
11-11-2010, 10:14 PM
Defensive metrics have been taking a bit of a beating as well as part of the Jeter discussion


A couple of months back, one club official told me he believes every publicly available defensive metric is useless. And what about the numbers the clubs use themselves? A little better, but still not great, he said.

Since then, I've asked other executives the same question, and got the same answer.



http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/14274557/no-stat-can-tell-tale-of-jeters-gold-glove-worthiness


Mark Feinsand talked to a Major League scout whose basic argument — and don't shoot the messenger here — is that Jeter makes up for his lack of range with smarts, positioning, and instincts. (He also argues that his UZR doesn't mean anything, noting that Robinson Cano and Mark Teixeira had a negative UZR as well.)

http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2010/11/the_news_found_someone_who_thi.html