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Homer Bailey
11-22-2010, 04:38 PM
crasnick Dontrelle Willis has agreed to a minor league deal w/Cincinnati Reds. He's looking to resurrect his career at age 28

http://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/6822887692443648

Whoa.

11larkin11
11-22-2010, 04:38 PM
According to Jerry Crasnick on Twitter...


Dontrelle Willis has agreed to a minor league deal w/Cincinnati Reds. He's looking to resurrect his career at age 28

http://twitter.com/#!/jcrasnick

JaxRed
11-22-2010, 04:43 PM
As long as this is a pure minor league deal, it's a good deal. If it's a "we'll get you a ML spot when the season starts paying 2 million dollars", it's a bad deal.

Ron Madden
11-22-2010, 04:44 PM
Very interesting move. Worth a shot.

OnBaseMachine
11-22-2010, 04:45 PM
I like it. There's nothing to lose here. I've always been a fan of Dontrelle. Who knows, maybe he can reinvent himself as a reliever.

muddie
11-22-2010, 04:45 PM
Really interesting. I don't see the guy making it but send him back to where it all started for him, the Carolina Mudcats.

Homer Bailey
11-22-2010, 04:46 PM
Seems like a Krivsky move to me, which I don't think is a bad thing.

kaldaniels
11-22-2010, 04:48 PM
Worth a shot. He has been as bad as it gets for 2 seasons now.

What happened since the 2005 season?

redsmetz
11-22-2010, 04:48 PM
We were so used to Don Gullett being the fixer, but it will be interesting to see what Bryan Price can do with a project like Willis.

westofyou
11-22-2010, 04:54 PM
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lollipopcurve
11-22-2010, 04:57 PM
He has been long coveted, at varying intensities, here on RZ. I'm glad it's finally happened. Definitely see Dontrelle coming out of the pen.

He's from Dusty's neck of the woods there in NoCal.

TRF
11-22-2010, 05:03 PM
http://www.webstaurantstore.com/dart-f6bh-medium-weight-honey-plastic-fork-100-pk/dart-f6bh-medium-weight-honey-plastic-fork-100-pk.jpg

I agree, but it's the right kind of contract. 5 years ago in this same situation, he'd be hyped as the #2 starter.

I hate 5 years ago. He still throws hard right? maybe he can work his way into a 8th inning guy.

lollipopcurve
11-22-2010, 05:04 PM
Take a look at his 2010 splits vs. lefties. He dominated. He's got LOOGY written all over him.

pedro
11-22-2010, 05:06 PM
Cincinnati, Ohio (AP)- The Cincinnati Reds, in an attempt to jump start the flagging restaurant business in the home city of their AAA Minor League affiliate, Louisville, KY, today announced the signing of former big league phenom and noted under reporter of actual playing weight, Dontrelle Willis. Economists estimate that if Willis starts at least 30 games for the Bats, it will likely mean a 30% increase in profits for the four local outlets of restaurant chain "Golden Corral" and a likely move into the region by Atlanta based BBQ chain "Sonny's".

camisadelgolf
11-22-2010, 05:24 PM
Take a look at his 2010 splits vs. lefties. He dominated. He's got LOOGY written all over him.
. . . and then look at 2009's split. Despite that, I think you might be on to something, though; he has a ton of potential as a loogy.

westofyou
11-22-2010, 05:43 PM
I agree, but it's the right kind of contract. 5 years ago in this same situation, he'd be hyped as the #2 starter.

I hate 5 years ago. He still throws hard right? maybe he can work his way into a 8th inning guy.

5 years ago... that's a lifetime to a LH who has a unique motion.

IMO Dontrell is done, He's in Steve Avery, Don Gullett or Steve Barber country, LH phenom looking for work.

TRF
11-22-2010, 05:48 PM
5 years ago... that's a lifetime to a LH who has a unique motion.

IMO Dontrell is done, He's in Steve Avery, Don Gullett or Steve Barber country, LH phenom looking for work.

That's what i meant. If the situation were exactly the same 5 years ago, he'd be hyped as a #2 starter/project for Gullett to "fix".

Today he's a minor league deal with the hope of catching lightning in a bottle as Rhodes possible replacement.

low risk/high reward. I don't think it'll work.

but eh. it might. I like the move for potential and that he wasn't signed to some ridiculous multi million dollar multi year deal.

*BaseClogger*
11-22-2010, 05:50 PM
Cincinnati, Ohio (AP)- The Cincinnati Reds, in an attempt to jump start the flagging restaurant business in the home city of their AAA Minor League affiliate, Louisville, KY, today announced the signing of former big league phenom and noted under reporter of actual playing weight, Dontrelle Willis. Economists estimate that if Willis starts at least 30 games for the Bats, it will likely mean a 30% increase in profits for the four local outlets of restaurant chain "Golden Corral" and a likely move into the region by Atlanta based BBQ chain "Sonny's".

:clap:

JaxRed
11-22-2010, 05:52 PM
nm

Captain Hook
11-22-2010, 05:53 PM
There is almost zero chance he starts the season with the Reds IMO.I have to think he knows this and that he plans on pitching in AAA.If these are the facts then I'm just fine and even a little intrigued with this singing.At 28 I have no problem with him taking up a spot in the Bats rotation this coming season and giving him a shot to return to his once dominating form.

westofyou
11-22-2010, 05:56 PM
He's from Dusty's neck of the woods there in NoCal.

No, he's from Alameda, Dusty is from the Valley

RedsManRick
11-22-2010, 06:09 PM
27 BB and 14 SO in 22.1 IP in Arizona last year. Fun reclamation project. Great guy by all accounts. Not sure we expect much.

mdccclxix
11-22-2010, 06:29 PM
Cool, I'm still a Dontrelle fan. He's always played the game with joy, I hope he puts it together.

Still just 28, wow.

WebScorpion
11-22-2010, 06:37 PM
WOY is probably right, there's nothing left in that arm. It's the 'age 28' part that makes it difficult to come to grips with that...at that age doesn't there have to be SOMETHING left? :dunno:

WVRed
11-22-2010, 06:43 PM
Even if it doesn't pay off, something I have noticed is that there is an ulterior motive to Walt's signings.

To me this is similar to the Jim Edmonds trade on so many levels. Edmonds didn't produce much on the field while he was here, but would anybody here say that his presence in the clubhouse didn't help the development of Drew Stubbs and even more with Jay Bruce. It was after the Edmonds trade that Bruce ultimately caught fire.

Now we have a veteran lefty (even if he is 28, hes been around the majors) who has been used as a comparison to our young up and coming phenom pitcher in Aroldis Chapman.

I see this signing having a bigger impact not in terms of production from Dontrelle Willis, but in the development of Aroldis Chapman and some of our other young arms.

RedLegSuperStar
11-22-2010, 06:45 PM
I like the idea of an Owings type player.. Long relief who could possibly hit aswell. It's a minor league signing.. So he's not set to take time from Leake, Wood, Bailey, Chapman, Volquez, Cueto.. Etc. Plus given how he pitches could determine if the Reds deal dome of their pitching for a leadoff hitter.

camisadelgolf
11-22-2010, 07:08 PM
Since 2007, the year he led the league in earned runs allowed:

Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/BB BA OBP SLG OPS HBP SH
vs LHB as LHP 56 282 240 31 43 6 1 4 1 2 33 80 2.42 .179 .286 .262 .549 4 2

As long as he's not going against rhh, he might be fine.

camisadelgolf
11-22-2010, 07:13 PM
Could this point to not offering arbitration to Rhodes?

Ron Madden
11-22-2010, 07:20 PM
Offering arbitration to Rhodes would not be a very smart move in my humble opinion.

Can we please merge the two Willis signing threads?

Tom Servo
11-22-2010, 07:42 PM
Hey, why not.

OldRightHander
11-22-2010, 07:43 PM
Cincinnati, Ohio (AP)- The Cincinnati Reds, in an attempt to jump start the flagging restaurant business in the home city of their AAA Minor League affiliate, Louisville, KY, today announced the signing of former big league phenom and noted under reporter of actual playing weight, Dontrelle Willis. Economists estimate that if Willis starts at least 30 games for the Bats, it will likely mean a 30% increase in profits for the four local outlets of restaurant chain "Golden Corral" and a likely move into the region by Atlanta based BBQ chain "Sonny's".

If we were still giving rep around here...

membengal
11-22-2010, 07:59 PM
He's hoping to catch on as a reliever. I don't see any need to be sour about this, if it doesn't work out, it hasn't cost the reds anything. And maybe he can have a second life as a LOOGY.

15fan
11-22-2010, 08:26 PM
Career .232 hitter with a .634 OPS.

But look at his career post-season batting numbers: 3 for 3 with 2 singles & a triple.

Part of a LF platoon?

Tommyjohn25
11-22-2010, 08:38 PM
I like the move. If for no other reason than to prevent Reds fans everywhere from having a panic attack if the Cards had signed him. :)

Unassisted
11-22-2010, 08:50 PM
If he sticks, he can fulfill the Sean Casey role in the clubhouse. There has been a vacuum in that department since The Mayor left.

westofyou
11-22-2010, 09:09 PM
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2 C.C. Sabathia 1165.1 185 0.55 0.90 -.10 56
3 Steve Avery 1091.1 178 0.13 -.05 0.47 31
4 Jim Abbott 1061 157 0.38 -.50 0.36 33
5 Dontrelle Willis 1022.2 162 0.57 -.01 0.34 46
6 Mark Buehrle 987.1 139 0.79 -1.02 1.09 102
7 Tom Glavine 892.2 139 -.16 -.63 0.33 13
8 Scott Kazmir 870.1 150 0.63 2.77 -.81 54
9 Frank Viola 844.1 127 -.26 0.22 0.34 -6
10 Sid Fernandez 813.2 131 0.36 2.78 -.61 13
11 Oliver Perez 805.1 140 -.10 2.77 -1.35 -25
12 Greg Swindell 805 119 0.14 0.94 1.14 20
13 Mike Hampton 804 120 0.53 -.87 0.15 26
14 Eric Milton 799.1 133 -.06 0.27 0.85 12
15 Mark Mulder 777.1 117 0.80 -.17 0.84 60
16 Joe Magrane 773.2 114 0.63 -.85 0.39 60
17 Barry Zito 768 119 1.43 0.89 -.13 112
18 Dave LaPoint 743.2 114 -.13 -.11 -.26 -17
19 Cole Hamels 736.2 116 0.68 1.49 1.15 64
20 Jose Rosado 720.1 112 0.48 -.28 0.64 48
21 Danny Jackson 712.2 107 0.55 -.18 -.47 47
22 Randy Wolf 701.2 109 0.34 0.89 0.21 20
23 Wilson Alvarez 701 103 0.65 0.29 -1.16 41
24 Scott Olsen 642 112 -.39 -.17 -.29 -33

Sea Ray
11-22-2010, 09:43 PM
Take a look at his 2010 splits vs. lefties. He dominated. He's got LOOGY written all over him.

Only if he can learn to throw strikes. Wildness is what's derailed his career

fearofpopvol1
11-22-2010, 10:42 PM
According to Sheldon on Twitter, he is hoping to make it as a reliever.

m_sheldon confirmed by MLB.com colleague Alden Gonzalez -- LHP Dontrelle Willis signed minor lg deal with the #reds. Hopes to make it as a reliever

I have no problem giving him a shot as a reliever if he can prove himself in AAA.

Slyder
11-22-2010, 11:21 PM
I really really like this signing. Nicely Done Walt.

These are the type of gambles that can really work out for the best. Will be interesting to see what Willis has in Arizona.

Roy Tucker
11-22-2010, 11:43 PM
I don't want to rely on moves like this to build my staff, but as a one-off flyer, it's got upside.

When your AAA staff is full of guys like Dontrelle is when you have trouble. Worth a shot though. Jose Rijo came back. Dontrelle was da bomb back in a day not too long ago.

WVRedsFan
11-23-2010, 12:19 AM
Seems like a Krivsky move to me, which I don't think is a bad thing.

I don't know. Krivsky brought in the following pitchers among others:

Bronson Arroyo
Kyle Lohse
Bill Bray
Gary Majewski
Rhoul Cromier
Ryan Franklin
Kirk Saarloos
Mike Stanton
Joe Mays

Only Arroyo survived (of course you can count Bray, but...). I hope this goes a little better than these guys did.

WVPacman
11-23-2010, 12:25 AM
Whoa! I did'nt see this coming but I like it.Its worth a shot b/c we have seen it countless times with a player thats looks like he is on the downside of his career.Then when a team picks him up and gives him a chance that player plays his butt off playing good helping the team win.I like this move!

mth123
11-23-2010, 01:51 AM
Expectations are low, but I like it nonetheless.

Matt700wlw
11-23-2010, 03:48 AM
Seems like a no lose situation for one of the deepest pitching staffs in baseball.

I like it.

redsfandan
11-23-2010, 05:26 AM
Expectations are low, but I like it nonetheless.
Risk is low as well. No harm in seeing if he's salvageable in any role that can help the big league club.

MikeS21
11-23-2010, 07:32 AM
I heard this news yesterday, and thought, "What can it hurt? It's just a minor league deal." But the more I think about it, I always am in favor of these "give-the-guy-one-last-shot" stories, until they turn around and bite us.

It seems like there is a pattern in these cases: washed-up guy comes to spring training and is the surprise of camp. Everyone has written him off, yet he has a great spring, where he looks like the second coming of Cy Young. He out-pitches and beats out better pitchers who simply had poor spring outings.

He breaks camp with the team at the start of the regular season, and suddenly he can't get anybody out.

How many times have we seen this song and dance?

I have nothing against Dontrelle Willis. It would be awesome if he finds lightning in the bottle once again. I just hope the Reds send him to AAA regardless of his spring and see what he does once the season starts.

Redsfan320
11-23-2010, 08:02 AM
Wow! Just found out about this one. I don't know... I just don't know. For one thing, why with the starting pitching we have would you spend anything on him?

320

Redsfan320
11-23-2010, 08:04 AM
Okay, if we're looking at him out of the 'pen, I'm definitely on board.

320

lollipopcurve
11-23-2010, 08:16 AM
He breaks camp with the team at the start of the regular season, and suddenly he can't get anybody out.

How many times have we seen this song and dance?

Not much.

This is a minor move, a minor league deal. Really no reason to invoke the worst-case scenarios here. If Willis isn't throwing strikes -- and that's his bugaboo -- it will be painfully obvious, and he won't make the team.

edabbs44
11-23-2010, 08:22 AM
I heard this news yesterday, and thought, "What can it hurt? It's just a minor league deal." But the more I think about it, I always am in favor of these "give-the-guy-one-last-shot" stories, until they turn around and bite us.

It seems like there is a pattern in these cases: washed-up guy comes to spring training and is the surprise of camp. Everyone has written him off, yet he has a great spring, where he looks like the second coming of Cy Young. He out-pitches and beats out better pitchers who simply had poor spring outings.

He breaks camp with the team at the start of the regular season, and suddenly he can't get anybody out.

How many times have we seen this song and dance?

I have nothing against Dontrelle Willis. It would be awesome if he finds lightning in the bottle once again. I just hope the Reds send him to AAA regardless of his spring and see what he does once the season starts.

This is a different time...if Cincy had 4 holes in the pitching staff, maybe.

Ghosts of 1990
11-23-2010, 09:36 AM
I think they'll re-invent Willis as a guy who works out of the bullpen and maybe is a Micah Owings type swing man.

SirFelixCat
11-23-2010, 11:42 AM
I see this as having no downside, really. Having him as a LOOGY would be very interesting.

Reds4Life
11-23-2010, 11:50 AM
There is no downside to this move at all, kudos to Walt. At worst, he never makes the club, if it pays off, he could be a valuable chip out of the pen. Plus, if he has success, he could be flipped for other pieces of the puzzle.

Heath
11-23-2010, 03:09 PM
Is this the reclamation project, or is Brandon Webb next?

Sea Ray
11-23-2010, 03:29 PM
There is no downside to this move at all, kudos to Walt. At worst, he never makes the club, if it pays off, he could be a valuable chip out of the pen. Plus, if he has success, he could be flipped for other pieces of the puzzle.

There's no downside unless folks are getting their hopes up that this guy will turn it around. I'm not chipping in for the Prozac if this doesn't work out

Blitz Dorsey
11-23-2010, 11:20 PM
I like.

reds44
11-24-2010, 01:48 PM
With Aroldis going to the rotation and the uncertaintly around Rhodes (plus he's old), I don't see how you couldn't like this move.

Hopefully going to the pen straightens him out a bit.

The Operator
11-24-2010, 07:41 PM
For what it's worth, Cardinal fans are taking sort of an "uh oh" attitude about this signing. I guess they've seen enough Jocketty reclamation projects pan out that this one scares them a bit.

A few comments I found interesting:

http://www.birdsonthebat.org/showthread.php?t=59535


the reds are waving as they pass us, our radiator bubbling and smoke escaping from the hood.



This is the kinda low key, finesse move that I would like to see our GM make.
Where would one go to find such a GM?

Oh wait.....

Matt700wlw
11-24-2010, 08:01 PM
:wave: Cardinals

RedsBaron
11-24-2010, 08:39 PM
There is no downside to this move at all, kudos to Walt. At worst, he never makes the club, if it pays off, he could be a valuable chip out of the pen. Plus, if he has success, he could be flipped for other pieces of the puzzle.

I agreed. It is worth the gamble.

Spitball
11-25-2010, 12:01 AM
With Aroldis going to the rotation and the uncertaintly around Rhodes (plus he's old), I don't see how you couldn't like this move.

Hopefully going to the pen straightens him out a bit.

Darren Oliver made quite a career for himself after his starting days passed him by. Lefty pitchers tend to get lots of chances.

JaxRed
12-04-2010, 11:50 AM
As long as this is a pure minor league deal, it's a good deal. If it's a "we'll get you a ML spot when the season starts paying 2 million dollars", it's a bad deal.

Well, judging the the video clips on the Enquirer, Dontrelle certainly thinks he will be a Red, and not a Bat or a Mudcat.

OnBaseMachine
12-05-2010, 01:37 AM
I love this quote from Dontrelle:


"Dusty is my man," a smiling Willis said. "And after the fight with St. Louis [in August], I figured this is where I want to be. This is a great organization from top to bottom. They have some great talent. It was a no-brainer for me. Me and Dusty talked for a long time. I always had a dream to play for him. So here I am."



http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101203&content_id=16250794&vkey=news_cin&c_id=cin

Griffey012
12-05-2010, 04:43 AM
I love this quote from Dontrelle:



http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101203&content_id=16250794&vkey=news_cin&c_id=cin

That, is awesome. Welcome aboard D-Train.

Cooper
12-05-2010, 10:58 AM
With that delievery a lot of things have to come together for everything to work smoothly. I'm guessing it's his lost flexability that is more of an issue than his arm.

Guy sort of reminds me of Vida Blue. When Blue was young and flexible he was lights out. But when he got just a little bit heavy and less flexible things kinda went south. There would be nights when things would come together, but overall Blue's performance suffered as he got older.

I suspect Willis may have those same issues. When young he could overcompensate for things because his flexability allowed him to make that delievery work.

mth123
12-05-2010, 11:30 AM
With that delievery a lot of things have to come together for everything to work smoothly. I'm guessing it's his lost flexability that is more of an issue than his arm.

Guy sort of reminds me of Vida Blue. When Blue was young and flexible he was lights out. But when he got just a little bit heavy and less flexible things kinda went south. There would be nights when things would come together, but overall Blue's performance suffered as he got older.

I suspect Willis may have those same issues. When young he could overcompensate for things because his flexability allowed him to make that delievery work.

Interesting post and I think you are on to something. The Blue comp is one I'd thought of and Willis is young enough to regain flexability.

Cooper
12-05-2010, 03:09 PM
Problem is the teams are so focused on building strength -that flexability gets put on the back burner. They had so much success in building core strength that flexability is a 2nd thought.

Some of you may not remember this cause ...well you're not old, but when was kid there were all kinds of theories about how lifting weights would decrease flexability and cause one to lose the ability to be fluid. Coaches used to say it about your baseball swing, when shooting a basketball, etcc.. It was almost a mantra that you not pick up a weight. That's why when you watch sports from the 70's, you see all these skinny guys that look like sticks. The weight lifter was often a guy that had been pushed to the margins and had to lift because his options were limited. He was the guy that got hurt and maybe had to go back to triple A or the guy who lost his position and had to "do something" different. Players who lifted were viewed with skepticism. If a player did lift and had a setback in performance--the weight lifting was the 1st, 2nd, and third thing blamed.

In the late mid-80's things started to change. Success was attributed to the ability to lift. Part of me wonders if we have lost something in the exchange. I know from personal experience that if I'm given the choice I lift instead of work on flexability. Working on such is sort of my resort. Odd thing is, at my age (45), flexability should probably be more of a focus than lifting, but when i get to the gym there are 100 machines and free weights staring at me....and then there's a yoga class "for girls". Some where in the middle of all this is a healthy middle aged man with strength and flexability...but it ain't me.

I think our sports culture probably has those same values.

redsmetz
02-02-2011, 06:52 PM
Article on reds.com on Bryan Price working with Dontrelle Willis the last few weeks (they both live in the Scottsdale area).

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110202&content_id=16555458&vkey=news_cin&c_id=cin

muddie
02-03-2011, 09:26 AM
Article on reds.com on Bryan Price working with Dontrelle Willis the last few weeks (they both live in the Scottsdale area).

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110202&content_id=16555458&vkey=news_cin&c_id=cin


Ran across that article this morning. I have a ton of reservations about Willis ever being able to be successful again, I really do. From what I have concluded through watching DW some over the Detroit years...the guy had just lost all confidence and pitching discipline. If Price can bring this guy back...wow! I am yet to be impressed with Rick Knapp in Detroit anyway. The only resurgence out of Detroit last year was Max Scherzer and it looks as if he got straightened out while in Toledo. Porcello also went down to AAA before getting back on track.