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GADawg
11-24-2010, 10:13 PM
listening to xm and the constant Jeter chatter and I heard someone mention that Jeter would be one of the faces on the Yankees Mount Rushmore and it got me wondering...who would you pick for our guys?

JaxRed
11-24-2010, 10:20 PM
Rose, Bench, Larkin, me. :)

reds1869
11-24-2010, 10:24 PM
Rose, Bench, Larkin, Roush. So hard to pick just four, but the first three are probably close to consensus. Roush was one of the greatest players of his era and played on Cincinnati's first World Series winner.

GADawg
11-24-2010, 10:25 PM
Rose, Bench, Larkin, me. :)

same four I had....well it was between you and Robinson I guess


it might be fun to do this with every team

klw
11-24-2010, 10:26 PM
Rose, Bench, Sparky, George Wright

George Anderson
11-24-2010, 10:29 PM
I am envisioning Marge with a cigarette dangling from her mouth with an eternal flame keeping it lit.

PuffyPig
11-24-2010, 10:32 PM
Jeter on the Yankees?

Ruth, Gehrig and Mantle are automatic.

Last one not so much.

Whitey Ford, Yogi Berra?

GADawg
11-24-2010, 10:36 PM
what about the Phils...with a perfect game and no-hitter in the playoffs would Halladay make it?

reds1869
11-24-2010, 10:37 PM
Jeter on the Yankees?

Ruth, Gehrig and Mantle are automatic.

Last one not so much.

Whitey Ford, Yogi Berra?

Dimaggio would be the easy fourth imo.

Big Klu
11-24-2010, 10:37 PM
listening to xm and the constant Jeter chatter and I heard someone mention that Jeter would be one of the faces on the Yankees Mount Rushmore and it got me wondering...who would you pick for our guys?

Players only:
Rose, Bench, Morgan, Perez (Larkin takes Tony's spot if he makes the HOF)

I can be persuaded to leave Rose off due to his past transgressions. In that case:
Bench, Morgan, Perez, Larkin

Greatest Reds in any capacity:
Rose, Bench, Anderson, Nuxhall







BTW, I can't see how Jeter could ever make the Yankees' version. Those four spots are locked up:
Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle

TheNext44
11-24-2010, 10:40 PM
First, Jeter might make a Yankee's "Sargent Pepper's Album Cover", but he's not even close to deserving to be on their Mt Rushmore. Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, DiMaggio and shut e door. Berra, Reggie, Stengel, Huggins, Lefty Gomez, Whitey Ford, Rizzuto, Steinbrenner, all ahead of Jeter IMO.

Second, for the Reds, I would go... Rose, Bench, Larkin and Eric Davis. Perez, sparky and Jose Rijo are next.

westofyou
11-24-2010, 11:22 PM
Rose, Bench, Larkin, Robinson, Morgan

Brutus
11-24-2010, 11:33 PM
Rose, Bench, Wily Mo and Wily Taveras.

Big Klu
11-24-2010, 11:41 PM
Mt. de la Hoz:

Tom Lawless, Chad Mottola, Damon Berryhill, German Barranca

edabbs44
11-24-2010, 11:43 PM
Rose, Bench, Morgan and F Robby. I love Larkin but I can't see him making the cut with those 4 names.

edabbs44
11-24-2010, 11:45 PM
Rose, Bench, Wily Mo and Wily Taveras.

This cracked me up.

RZ Mt Rushmore

Taveras, Patterson, Gomes and Denorfia.

Brutus
11-24-2010, 11:45 PM
Mt. de la Hoz:

Tom Lawless, Chad Mottola, Damon Berryhill, German Barranca

I think John Oliver was a more outstanding player for a longer period of time.

:D

TheNext44
11-24-2010, 11:53 PM
For me, a team's Mt. Rushmore should include those players that are easily and dominantly identified with that team. It's not the team's best players, but the most memorable and loved.

When I think Robinson, I think Reds, Orioles and even the Indians as the first black manager. If Morgan had ever come back to Reds like Rose and Perez did, I'd include him, but he really parted ways with the team after '79. I see him more as a great major league player than I do a great Red.

GADawg
11-25-2010, 12:05 AM
This cracked me up.

RZ Mt Rushmore

Taveras, Patterson, Gomes and Denorfia.

yep gomes deserves to be in that group:rolleyes:

TheNext44
11-25-2010, 12:12 AM
yep gomes deserves to be in that group:rolleyes:

I'm assuming he's one since he's discussed so much. But I would pick one of Taveras and Patterson and add Dunn in the other's place.

corkedbat
11-25-2010, 12:15 AM
I am envisioning Marge with a cigarette dangling from her mouth with an eternal flame keeping it lit.

And Schotzie right next to her on the mountain..

Rose, Morgan, Bench, Perez

reds1869
11-25-2010, 12:17 AM
For me, a team's Mt. Rushmore should include those players that are easily and dominantly identified with that team. It's not the team's best players, but the most memorable and loved.

But you must have the one bizarre choice to fill the role of Teddy Roosevelt. I'm thinking Chris Sabo. ;)

Ron Madden
11-25-2010, 12:19 AM
Off the top of my head I'll go with

Bench Robinson, Rose, Morgan.

Followed closely by Larkin.

corkedbat
11-25-2010, 12:19 AM
Larkin had a solid career, but I don't put him at the same level as Rose, Bench, Perez, Morgan, Robinson, etc.

GADawg
11-25-2010, 12:20 AM
But you must have the one bizarre choice to fill the role of Teddy Roosevelt. I'm thinking Chris Sabo. ;)

i love it..with that in mind I'll go with the all-hustle Mt. Rushmore of Rose, Sabo, Freel, and Rosales! I'd bet Rosales' mom would look at it and say "who's that other guy?"

westofyou
11-25-2010, 12:39 AM
Rose, Bench, Morgan and F Robby. I love Larkin but I can't see him making the cut with those 4 names.

Maybe Bid McPhee?



CINCINNATI REDS
CAREER

AT BATS AB
1 Pete Rose 10934
2 Dave Concepcion 8723
3 Bid McPhee 8291
4 Barry Larkin 7937
5 Johnny Bench 7658
6 Tony Perez 6846
7 Vada Pinson 6335
8 Frank Robinson 5527
9 Edd Roush 5384
10 Ted Kluszewski 4961

EXTRA BASE HITS EBH
1 Pete Rose 868
2 Johnny Bench 794
3 Barry Larkin 715
4 Frank Robinson 692
5 Tony Perez 682
6 Vada Pinson 624
7 Bid McPhee 544
8 Dave Concepcion 538
9 Ted Kluszewski 518
10 George Foster 488

GAMES G
1 Pete Rose 2722
2 Dave Concepcion 2488
3 Barry Larkin 2180
4 Johnny Bench 2158
5 Bid McPhee 2135
6 Tony Perez 1948
7 Vada Pinson 1565
8 Frank Robinson 1502
9 Dan Driessen 1480
10 Edd Roush 1399

HITS H
1 Pete Rose 3358
2 Barry Larkin 2340
3 Dave Concepcion 2326
4 Bid McPhee 2250
5 Johnny Bench 2048
6 Tony Perez 1934
7 Vada Pinson 1881
8 Edd Roush 1784
9 Frank Robinson 1673
10 Ted Kluszewski 1499

STOLEN BASES SB
1 Bid McPhee 568
2 Joe Morgan 406
3 Barry Larkin 379
4 Hugh Nicol 345
5 Arlie Latham 337
6 Dave Concepcion 321
7 Bob Bescher 319
8 Eric Davis 270
9 Bug Holliday 248
10 John Reilly 245

kaldaniels
11-25-2010, 12:51 AM
Rose and Bench are the 2 sure things. Any argument on that?

I'll have to think about the other 2 spots.

Jpup
11-25-2010, 01:13 AM
Rose, Bench, Morgan, & Marty.

919191
11-25-2010, 02:30 AM
Rose, Bench, Morgan, & Marty.

A shirtless Marty, perhaps.

Or Marx, Lenin, Mao, and Trotsky;

marcshoe
11-25-2010, 02:33 AM
Rose, Bench, Morgan, and Roosevelt.

Ron Madden
11-25-2010, 02:52 AM
Larkin had a solid career, but I don't put him at the same level as Rose, Bench, Perez, Morgan, Robinson, etc.


Robinson, Bench, Rose, Morgan and Larkin were all voted NL MVP awards.

corkedbat
11-25-2010, 02:54 AM
Rose, Bench, Morgan, & Marty.

Could they accurately represent the fancy-haired, poofy-boy's 'do without seriously de-stablizing the entire side of the mountain? :D

Captain Hook
11-25-2010, 03:01 AM
I'm very surprised that Larkin isn't a lock with just about everyone here.I imagine that if he ever gets a chance to manage the team and has even a little success it would make him a lock.On second thought, that would likely work the other way around.:confused:

The Operator
11-25-2010, 05:59 AM
You all seem to be forgetting Jim Coombs.

Scrap Irony
11-25-2010, 09:31 AM
For the Reds:
Rose, Bench, Larkin, Frank Robinson.

Other teams are much harder. What to do with Boston? Brooklyn/LA? Philadelphia/Oakland?

Easiest call, IMO, is St. Louis:
Ozzie, Pujols, Dizzy Dean, Stan the Man

Screwball
11-25-2010, 09:49 AM
Easiest call, IMO, is St. Louis:
Ozzie, Pujols, Dizzy Dean, Stan the Man

I think I'd go with Bob Gibson over Dizzy Dean. Although ol' Dean certainly is one helluva character.

Dan
11-25-2010, 09:56 AM
Jeter on the Yankees?

Ruth, Gehrig and Mantle are automatic.

Last one not so much.

Whitey Ford, Yogi Berra?

Uh...DiMaggio

Dan
11-25-2010, 09:57 AM
Rose, Bench, Robinson, and Big Klu

Dan
11-25-2010, 10:02 AM
Mt. de la Hoz:

Tom Lawless, Chad Mottola, Damon Berryhill, German Barranca

Heine Groh, Skeeter Barnes, Motorboat Jones, and The Schnozz

Dan
11-25-2010, 10:07 AM
Edd Roush, Bid McPhee, Mike LaCoss, Dann Billardello

/notice a pattern?

RedsBaron
11-25-2010, 10:14 AM
For the Reds:
Rose, Bench, Larkin, Frank Robinson.

Other teams are much harder. What to do with Boston? Brooklyn/LA? Philadelphia/Oakland?

Easiest call, IMO, is St. Louis:
Ozzie, Pujols, Dizzy Dean, Stan the Man

Cardinals: Musial, Pujols, Gibson, Hornsby.
Red Sox: Teddy Ballgame, Yaz......now it gets tough. Cy Young? Maybe Roger Clemens but he burned his bridge there. Tris Speaker? Jim Rice? Fisk? Boggs? Pedro?
The multi-city franchises are really tough. The Brooklyn Dodgers would include Jackie, Campy, the Duke and Pee Wee, while the LA version would have Koufax......and......Drysdale? Wills? Garvey?
The Philadelphia A's would have to include Connie Mack, Lefty Grove, Jimmie Foxx and Eddie Collins, but Mickey Cochrane needs to be there too. The Oakland version would have Reggie, Rollie, Rickey, and a symbol for PEDs.

RedsBaron
11-25-2010, 10:15 AM
The Reds Mount Rushmore is Rose, Bench, Morgan and Robinson.

BCubb2003
11-25-2010, 10:19 AM
Rose, Bench, Larkin, Nuxhall? Cincinnati has a lot of hills to leave room for Votto.

mth123
11-25-2010, 10:25 AM
If you want to go strictly with guys most identidied with Cincy, it might be Rose, Bench, Marty and Joe.

Guys like Morgan, Robinson and Sparky are strongly identified with other teams so I would have to elimnate them. Lombardi, Rixey, Roush, Perez, Larkin and Big Klu would be other pssibilities. If we're just going with players I'd probably go with Rose, Bench, Roush and Rixey.

George Anderson
11-25-2010, 11:12 AM
Rose and Bench are locks for sure. You can't go wrong with Robinson, Roush or Morgan as the third pick.

I think Harry Wright needs to be on the wall to. George Washington is on Mt Rushmore in large part for being a founding father so I think the Reds founding father should be on their wall also.

westofyou
11-25-2010, 11:28 AM
If you want to go strictly with guys most identidied with Cincy, it might be Rose, Bench, Marty and Joe.

Guys like Morgan, Robinson and Sparky are strongly identified with other teams so I would have to elimnate them. Lombardi, Rixey, Roush, Perez, Larkin and Big Klu would be other pssibilities. If we're just going with players I'd probably go with Rose, Bench, Roush and Rixey.
Rixey?

Half the Reds fans don't know who he is, plus he was Phillie 1st and played mostly on forgotten Reds squads (and Rose is pretty much is identified with the Phillies by many too.)

If you want identity with the city I can't see one reason to turn our back on the fact that Larkin was local and played his WHOLE career as a Red.


I also would never choose Harry Wright, a transient who is more known for his east coast teams than his brief stay in Cincinnati.

BCubb2003
11-25-2010, 11:40 AM
How about Christy Mathewson, Tom Seaver, Jim Thorpe and Wally Pipp?

westofyou
11-25-2010, 11:49 AM
How about Christy Mathewson, Tom Seaver, Jim Thorpe and Wally Pipp?

Candy Cummings, Buck Ewing, Charles Comsiskey and Amos Rusie

GADawg
11-25-2010, 11:53 AM
If you want to go strictly with guys most identidied with Cincy, it might be Rose, Bench, Marty and Joe.

Guys like Morgan, Robinson and Sparky are strongly identified with other teams so I would have to elimnate them. Lombardi, Rixey, Roush, Perez, Larkin and Big Klu would be other pssibilities. If we're just going with players I'd probably go with Rose, Bench, Roush and Rixey.

i think you changed my mind somewhat...this probably IS the exercise...to name the 4 guys most indenitified with the franchise....i might have to replace Marty with larkin here though I'd probably have to have a split head thing going on with Marty and Joe(kinda like their bobblehead)

as for Rose although some diehard Phil fans and Mike Schmidt might think of him as a Phillie the rest of the free world and some communist nations remember him as a Red

Ghosts of 1990
11-25-2010, 11:55 AM
I'll go Eric Davis, Johnny Bench, Jay Bruce, Barry Larkin

edabbs44
11-25-2010, 11:56 AM
yep gomes deserves to be in that group:rolleyes:

Was going for the recent ones who have stirred up controversy.

GADawg
11-25-2010, 11:58 AM
Was going for the recent ones who have stirred up controversy.

sometimes I'm a little slow...apologies

westofyou
11-25-2010, 12:00 PM
If you want guys that are "Reds" in the minds eye then you have to go (IMO)

Mcphee, Rose, Bench, Larkin

Strikes Out Looking
11-25-2010, 12:37 PM
Milt Pappas, Alex Trevino, Woody Fryman and Eric Milton.

Johnny Footstool
11-25-2010, 12:39 PM
I think Larkin is as much of a lock as Bench and Rose. He was the best overall SS in the NL for a decade, won a World Series, won an MVP award, and will go into the HOF next year. Plus he was a product of the city, born and raised. And he spent his entire career as a Red.

The fourth spot is up for grabs, but Larkin is definitely the third face on the mountain.

mth123
11-25-2010, 12:44 PM
Rixey?

Half the Reds fans don't know who he is, plus he was Phillie 1st and played mostly on forgotten Reds squads (and Rose is pretty much is identified with the Phillies by many too.)

If you want identity with the city I can't see one reason to turn our back on the fact that Larkin was local and played his WHOLE career as a Red.


I also would never choose Harry Wright, a transient who is more known for his east coast teams than his brief stay in Cincinnati.

I could put Larkin in place of Rixey. Rixey was a starting pitcher for the Reds for 13 seasons and had his best years for them. Went with him to get a pitcher in the mix. I think Larkin should be a HOF soon and he would be a good choice, but he was a lot like Perez. He was always overshadowed on his own team. Guys like Davis, Griffey, even Sabo seemed to get more attention. Larkin had a better career, but may have been too under the radar. For me, even guys like big Klu come to mind when thinking of Red's baseball before Larkin.

BTW,

The Yankees foursome has to be Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle.

George Anderson
11-25-2010, 01:18 PM
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I also would never choose Harry Wright, a transient who is more known for his east coast teams than his brief stay in Cincinnati.

But is there a Reds franchise if there is no Harry Wright??

Not sure so I am asking.

westofyou
11-25-2010, 01:30 PM
But is there a Reds franchise if there is no Harry Wright??

Not sure so I am asking.

For sure, in fact after Wright fled to Boston (when the investors closed the team down) the National Association played 5 years without a Cincinnati entry, there was a Rockford team, a Cleveland team... there was even a Middletown CT team.

If we are looking for figureheads in the "founders" category then OP Caylor is a good start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._P._Caylor



Oliver Perry Caylor (December 14, 1849 October 19, 1897) was a baseball newspaper columnist for The Cincinnati Enquirer and the Cincinnati Commercial before becoming one of the principal figures in the founding of the American Association in 1881 as well as the catalyst in the formation of the modern-day Cincinnati Reds.

westofyou
11-25-2010, 01:38 PM
I'm not too keen on assigning guys who aren't involved in the play of the club as a Mount Rushmore figure. I wouldn't want Marty up there, or Harry Carey on the Cubs, Cards, or Vin on the Dodgers.

In fact I prefer uniformed guys, I'd take McGraw as a manager with Mays, Bonds and Matty for the Giants. I'd even take Branch Rickey on the Cardinals, with Stan the Man, Gibson and Albert.

RBA
11-25-2010, 03:37 PM
Rose, Bench, Morgan, and Rijo

OnBaseMachine
11-25-2010, 03:44 PM
Initially, I wanted to go with Bench, Morgan, Robinson, and Rose but it's awfully hard to leave Larkin out. One of the best shortstops of all-time, a lifetime Red, and born in Cincinnati. He's gotta be in there somewhere. Maybe substitute Larkin for Robinson as painful as that is because Frank Robinson may be the best or at least second best player in Reds history.

Ron Madden
11-25-2010, 03:55 PM
Initially, I wanted to go with Bench, Morgan, Robinson, and Rose but it's awfully hard to leave Larkin out. One of the best shortstops of all-time, a lifetime Red, and born in Cincinnati. He's gotta be in there somewhere. Maybe substitute Larkin for Robinson as painful as that is because Frank Robinson may be the best or at least second best player in Reds history.

My four nominations were Robinson, Bench, Rose and Morgan.

I almost went with Larkin over Morgan and probably should have.

It's difficult to pick just four players.

GADawg
11-25-2010, 10:57 PM
http://www.sporcle.com/games/bennyboy44/iconsforMLBteam

this seems appropriate for this thread...I love sporcle

cumberlandreds
11-26-2010, 08:48 AM
How about:

Rose,Bench,Morgan and Sparky

WMR
11-26-2010, 09:55 AM
Just one giant Dusty head for me plz.

RFS62
11-26-2010, 10:09 AM
The Reds Mount Rushmore is Rose, Bench, Morgan and Robinson.


Absolutely

:beerme:

TStuck
11-29-2010, 01:01 AM
I can't believe Jim Coombs hasn't gotten any votes?!?!?

RFS62
11-29-2010, 08:06 AM
I can't believe Jim Coombs hasn't gotten any votes?!?!?


I think he's happy enough that the Washington Monument is modeled after him.

BCubb2003
11-29-2010, 10:04 AM
I love Frank Robinson and I'm glad the new Reds ownership reached out to him, but I figure he'd be on Baltimore's Rushmore. It's kind of like which hat do you wear in the Hall of Fame. It's great to see him doing things with the Reds now, though.

Chip R
11-29-2010, 11:29 AM
I can't believe Jim Coombs hasn't gotten any votes?!?!?


I can't believe anyone would want to have Coombs on a mountain with anyone else.

Big Klu
11-29-2010, 11:37 AM
I love Frank Robinson and I'm glad the new Reds ownership reached out to him, but I figure he'd be on Baltimore's Rushmore. It's kind of like which hat do you wear in the Hall of Fame. It's great to see him doing things with the Reds now, though.

I figure he's in a battle with Eddie Murray for the fourth spot with the O's. The first three spots are locked up by Cal Ripken, Brooks Robinson, and Jim Palmer. (If you go back to the St. Louis Browns days of the franchise, then George Sisler might also have an argument.)