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BCubb2003
12-01-2010, 06:33 PM
It never gets old ...

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2010/12/01/wily-mo-pena-signs-with-the-arizona-diamondbacks/

Unassisted
12-01-2010, 08:01 PM
Article says Pena "saw a promising opportunity with the Diamondbacks, whose left field situation remains uncertain."

For some reason, I know of another team whose left field situation remains uncertain. ;) :D

MrCinatit
12-01-2010, 10:39 PM
I've a feeling he might regret not taking that job in Japan (or that he might take it later). I seriously think he could become huge over there.

traderumor
12-01-2010, 10:43 PM
I've a feeling he might regret not taking that job in Japan (or that he might take it later). I seriously think he could become huge over there.Not if they throw offspeed stuff there, too ;)

OnBaseMachine
12-02-2010, 12:25 AM
I was dead wrong about Wily Mo. I thought he was going to become a stud, a perennial 35-40 HR guy, especially after his 2004 season when he hit 26 homers in only 336 atbats and posted an .843 OPS. I remember how ticked off I was when he was traded for Arroyo. That turned out to be one of the better trades the Reds have made in recent history.

redsmetz
12-02-2010, 01:28 PM
BCubb, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "rewriting" his contract. At this point, he's no longer hampered by the inability to do time in the minors (without clearing waivers) as he was with us. At this point, he's signed a minor league deal and the D'Backs will see if he can succeed or not.

camisadelgolf
12-02-2010, 01:43 PM
BCubb, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "rewriting" his contract. At this point, he's no longer hampered by the inability to do time in the minors (without clearing waivers) as he was with us. At this point, he's signed a minor league deal and the D'Backs will see if he can succeed or not.
I'm pretty sure he said it tongue-in-cheek.

crazybob60
12-02-2010, 06:34 PM
I was dead wrong about Wily Mo. I thought he was going to become a stud, a perennial 35-40 HR guy, especially after his 2004 season when he hit 26 homers in only 336 atbats and posted an .843 OPS. I remember how ticked off I was when he was traded for Arroyo. That turned out to be one of the better trades the Reds have made in recent history.

I was in the same boat there, I was seriously upset the day of that trade as well, and thought we had made a huge mistake although we were deep in the OF. I was there when he hit his first HR and he was a fav of mine since then. And I thought he was easily going to hit more HR's than Dunn. But again, life can take weird twists and turns. I hope the best for him!

Raisor
12-02-2010, 07:04 PM
BCubb, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "rewriting" his contract. At this point, he's no longer hampered by the inability to do time in the minors (without clearing waivers) as he was with us. At this point, he's signed a minor league deal and the D'Backs will see if he can succeed or not.

tis a joke from before your time here on RZ.

BCubb2003
12-02-2010, 08:10 PM
Maybe it does get old ...

paintmered
12-03-2010, 01:08 AM
You kids and your inside jokes from six years ago...

redsmetz
12-03-2010, 06:38 AM
Maybe it does get old ...

Certainly when I posed the question I wasn't not thinking about the joke of it. I guess I saw the allusion, but was mystified why it was pertinent to this present signing. It's no big deal. I suspect folks are correct that Pena's not going to be able to put it together now and, frankly, it's such a shame his career had the turns it did at such a young age. It would have been interesting to have seen what minor league seasoning would have done for him at the appropriate age.

Chip R
12-03-2010, 03:22 PM
Certainly when I posed the question I wasn't not thinking about the joke of it. I guess I saw the allusion, but was mystified why it was pertinent to this present signing. It's no big deal. I suspect folks are correct that Pena's not going to be able to put it together now and, frankly, it's such a shame his career had the turns it did at such a young age. It would have been interesting to have seen what minor league seasoning would have done for him at the appropriate age.

It's not like he went straight from the Dominican to the Reds. He was in the minors from 99-02. Did he need more seasoning down there? Sure, but it's not like he didn't get any minor league playing time at all.

I would have liked to seen how he would have done with regular playing time. I thought he might have got that in BOS when Manny left but he may have been too far gone to even consider him being a MLB regular player.

TRF
12-03-2010, 03:32 PM
It's not like he went straight from the Dominican to the Reds. He was in the minors from 99-02. Did he need more seasoning down there? Sure, but it's not like he didn't get any minor league playing time at all.

I would have liked to seen how he would have done with regular playing time. I thought he might have got that in BOS when Manny left but he may have been too far gone to even consider him being a MLB regular player.

He did miss almost a year in the minors to injury. Bad luck is all there. I think he picked the right team in AZ. Good fit.

klw
04-22-2011, 07:50 PM
Wily Mo is tearing up the PCL. He leads the league in HR with 6 and has opened the season with a 13 game hitting streak.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=276377
I am surprised no one ever suggested that his getting some time in the minors might help him.

crazybob60
04-25-2011, 01:03 PM
and he already has 2 SB's!

klw
04-25-2011, 01:30 PM
nice piece on Wily Mo
http://www.rgj.com/article/20110424/SPORTS03/104240358/Reno-Aces-big-hitting-Pe-takes-new-approach?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|s


But the driving force stems from being 16 years old with a major league contract. He was immediately added to the 40-man roster, which meant he ran out of minor-league options before he had fully developed.

Peņa was in the majors at 21 with the Reds, who could not send him to the minors without the risk of losing him via waivers.

His story is the cautionary tale cited by those hesitant to give amateur players major-league contracts and risk stunting their development.

"I wish I could have done it sooner," Peņa said of his new approach. "But I was so young. I didn't understand everything."

15fan
04-25-2011, 03:24 PM
Wily Mo is 29. Dude has been crushing fastballs and whiffing on breaking balls since the beginning of time, and he's still not 30 years old.

I know a Red Sox guy who works for my employer. We bump into each other a couple of times a year, and I always ask him if the Sox have another Bronson Arroyo they'd like to trade away.

klw
05-11-2011, 07:26 AM
Wily Mo won his 2nd PCL player of the week award for the season for last week. It's good to see him doing so well. Hard to believe he is only now the same age Nelson Cruz was when Cruz broke out two years ago.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110509&content_id=18841940&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_opotw

klw
06-19-2011, 08:44 PM
Sounds like Wily Mo is coming up.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/06/diamondbacks-waive-sean-burroughs.html


Arizona is expected to promote Wily Mo Pena, another former top prospect, to serve as its DH for its upcoming interleague series in Kansas City and Detroit, per Magruder. Pena, 29, was hitting .362/.440/.733 in 62 games with Reno entering play on Sunday.

He's 20 for his last 35.

klw
06-21-2011, 06:06 PM
He's up.
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/6/21/2233641/wily-mo-pena-arizona-diamondbacks-news

savafan
06-21-2011, 09:32 PM
He's up.
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/6/21/2233641/wily-mo-pena-arizona-diamondbacks-news

Man, he was absolutely raking at AAA

Griffey012
06-21-2011, 10:34 PM
And he hit a HR in his 2nd at bat. I really will not be surprised if he starts putting up some huge numbers, he may very have turned the corner late.

savafan
06-21-2011, 10:35 PM
The talent was always there...

Joseph
06-21-2011, 10:57 PM
Wily Mo for LF! ;)

KronoRed
06-21-2011, 11:48 PM
The next George Arias.

MartyFan
06-21-2011, 11:59 PM
I am glad to read that Wily Mo has made it back to the MLB...the contract he originally signed did him no favors. Had he been able to go to the minors and work his way up over the years who knows what his career would have been.

GO WILY GO!

VR
06-22-2011, 12:35 AM
I am glad to read that Wily Mo has made it back to the MLB...the contract he originally signed did him no favors. Had he been able to go to the minors and work his way up over the years who knows what his career would have been.

GO WILY GO!

el Natural

Will M
06-22-2011, 01:43 AM
Wily Mo seems like a guy that should have gone to Japan 3 years ago. A lot of AAAA type sluggers have made nice careers for themselves that way.

klw
06-24-2011, 10:44 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_06_24_arimlb_detmlb_1&mode=gameday
WMP just hit a bomb worth watching to put Az up in the 8th in DEt

Always Red
06-24-2011, 11:21 PM
oh my.

WMP destroyed that ball.

TRF
06-25-2011, 03:34 AM
Someone should information that balls next of kin.

klw
06-29-2011, 02:12 PM
Wily Mo had a walk off homer last night.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_06_28_clemlb_arimlb_1&mode=recap_home&c_id=ari

RedLegsToday
06-29-2011, 03:37 PM
Wily Mo with a .240/.240/.600 line. 3 homers, only 6 hits, in 25ab. 0 walks/11k!

Edd Roush
06-29-2011, 03:38 PM
oh my.

WMP destroyed that ball.

Power has never been a problem for Wily. I will never forget the ball he hit against the Brewers many years ago at GABP that hit the cement between the bleachers and the lower level on a line and then rolled nearly back to the infield.

CTA513
06-29-2011, 03:45 PM
Wily Mo with a .240/.240/.600 line. 3 homers, only 6 hits, in 25ab. 0 walks/11k!

He would set K records if he ever got a chance to play everyday.

westofyou
06-29-2011, 03:48 PM
The Latin Dave Nicholson

Mario-Rijo
06-29-2011, 04:05 PM
Power has never been a problem for Wily. I will never forget the ball he hit against the Brewers many years ago at GABP that hit the cement between the bleachers and the lower level on a line and then rolled nearly back to the infield.

Seems to me I recall one he hit in Cleveland, deep LF out onto the concourse I believe. Just a mammoth shot, maybe it was the grand slam off of Lee?

reds44
06-29-2011, 04:40 PM
Wily Mo with a .240/.240/.600 line. 3 homers, only 6 hits, in 25ab. 0 walks/11k!
So what you're saying is Wily Mo Pena is indeed still Wily Mo Pena lol.

Sea Ray
06-29-2011, 05:32 PM
I'd want him on my softball team

membengal
06-29-2011, 05:34 PM
He is not boring...

Nasty_Boy
06-29-2011, 05:35 PM
I remember the one he hit off Brandon Duckworth of the Astros... I wanna think 490 feet? Way up in the bleachers about as far towards CF as you could go.

Nasty_Boy
06-29-2011, 05:36 PM
Just looked it up, 498 ft and the second longest GABP HR behind Dunn's blast off Lima.

Big Klu
06-29-2011, 05:41 PM
WMP may be the only Red I've ever seen who might have actually had a chance to hit the truck at GABP.

Tom Servo
06-29-2011, 07:12 PM
I still just want to see Wily Mo get a seasons worth of at-bat on a team that is just punting the season, like Houston or Kansas City. Mostly just to see his final line.

traderumor
06-29-2011, 07:28 PM
I still just want to see Wily Mo get a seasons worth of at-bat on a team that is just punting the season, like Houston or Kansas City. Mostly just to see his final line.He did, back in 2004 with a going nowhere team in Cincinnati. 110 games, 26 HRs, .843 OPS, 116 Ks/20 BBs. That was at age 22. And he's only 29 now :lol: All that seems like ancient history.

Edd Roush
06-30-2011, 02:31 PM
He did, back in 2004 with a going nowhere team in Cincinnati. 110 games, 26 HRs, .843 OPS, 116 Ks/20 BBs. That was at age 22. And he's only 29 now :lol: All that seems like ancient history.

I know you need more than one year of advanced fielding data to draw any conclusions, but I find it interesting that he had a positive UZR/150 that year as well. Wily was bludgeoned here for his poor routes and according to a small sample of stats, he was above average.

klw
06-30-2011, 02:46 PM
I know you need more than one year of advanced fielding data to draw any conclusions, but I find it interesting that he had a positive UZR/150 that year as well. Wily was bludgeoned here for his poor routes and according to a small sample of stats, he was above average.

Wily Mo was one of those rare players who was better in CF than in the corners. His routes tended to be better in CF for some reason. It could be that season was where he was in CF more. He did provide some pretty funny moments playing RF in Fenway but I remember him making a remarkable catch over the wall in CF of Great American.

If MLB had a clue they would change the rules for the HR Derby and stick him in it.

LoganBuck
06-30-2011, 04:54 PM
Wily Mo was one of those rare players who was better in CF than in the corners. His routes tended to be better in CF for some reason. It could be that season was where he was in CF more. He did provide some pretty funny moments playing RF in Fenway but I remember him making a remarkable catch over the wall in CF of Great American.

If MLB had a clue they would change the rules for the HR Derby and stick him in it.

I voted for Adam Dunn, and wrote Wily Mo Pena in as well!

remdog
06-30-2011, 06:13 PM
Wily Mo 2004: 336 AB's/108 K's/26 HR's
Drew Stubbs: 2011: 330 AB's/111 K's/ 11HR's

Hmmmm.........;)

Rem

Griffey012
07-01-2011, 08:26 AM
Wily Mo was one of those rare players who was better in CF than in the corners. His routes tended to be better in CF for some reason. It could be that season was where he was in CF more. He did provide some pretty funny moments playing RF in Fenway but I remember him making a remarkable catch over the wall in CF of Great American.

If MLB had a clue they would change the rules for the HR Derby and stick him in it.

Well this year "captains" pick, and it does not have to be All-Stars, maybe Prince Fielder will pick Wily Mo, that would sure be something.

westofyou
07-02-2011, 11:55 AM
http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201106/ballad-wily-mo-pena



Wily Modesto Peņa, better known as Wily Mo, hits baseballs for a living, which is sort of thing a 29-year-old man named Wily Mo would do. He hits them hard, probably harder than anyone alive. When dead-red fastballs meet Wily Mo's bat, his home runs do not fly. They teleport.

They end up in strange, often distant places where other baseballs wouldn't dream of going. Into remote bleacher sections, off office buildings, past railroad trenches – Wily Mo has hit home runs everywhere. Other balls just disappeared into the night, like shooting stars.

WMR
07-02-2011, 12:28 PM
http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201106/ballad-wily-mo-pena

:lol:

That's good.

klw
07-03-2011, 11:36 PM
http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16489715&topic_id=8878726&c_id=ari
Friday's homer is another gem. Never got that high off the ground and just kept flying.

klw
07-03-2011, 11:39 PM
I remember the one he hit off Brandon Duckworth of the Astros... I wanna think 490 feet? Way up in the bleachers about as far towards CF as you could go.

Here you go. From the archives.
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl_3_1.jsp?w_id=417945&w=/2005/open/topplays/archive04/041705_houcin_pena_hr_350.wmv&pid=mlb_tp&gid=2005/04/17/houmlb-cinmlb-1&cid=mlb&fid=mlb_tp350&v=2

VR
07-03-2011, 11:41 PM
Absurd...those kinds of shots are usually reserved for down the line only....not 380 to the gap. Yikes.

klw
07-05-2011, 09:48 AM
He just doesn't hit any cheap ones.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_07_04_arimlb_milmlb_1&mode=video
Prince Fielder's reaction was great and I love that the announcer just laughs.

traderumor
07-05-2011, 11:12 AM
He just doesn't hit any cheap ones.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_07_04_arimlb_milmlb_1&mode=video
Prince Fielder's reaction was great and I love that the announcer just laughs.That was an offspeed pitch. The legend of WMP says "he only heet the fastboll."

NJReds
07-05-2011, 11:52 AM
WMP has to be in the Home Run Derby.

IslandRed
07-15-2011, 12:01 AM
Offered without comment:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/dbacks-designate-wily-mo-pena-for-assignment.html

reds44
07-15-2011, 12:06 AM
lol .196/.196/.522

BuckeyeRedleg
07-15-2011, 12:53 AM
He should go to Japan and destroy every record. Over here against ML pitching? Meh.

This is why I have zero desire for the Reds to waste time with Juan Francisco.

Captain Hook
07-15-2011, 01:42 AM
Back when everyone was juicing Wily Mo didn't really bring anything to the table that your average 2B or SS didn't provide.Now, teams might be willing to put up with a DH hitting .200 if he can hit 40+ HRs when given a good amount of ABs.Looks like he's proven that there's still a lot of power there, so I'd be very surprised if some AL team doesn't give him a chance to DH.

Go get em Wily Mo!

Edd Roush
07-15-2011, 11:43 AM
He should go to Japan and destroy every record. Over here against ML pitching? Meh.

This is why I have zero desire for the Reds to waste time with Juan Francisco.

Completely agreed. They should just pay Juan Francisco to hit out BP home runs to fans before the game and then let him sign autographs during the game. I don't see any way Juan Francisco will ever be an average major league starter with his allergy to taking a walk.

klw
07-15-2011, 01:59 PM
Wow that is bizarre. The last 6 or 7 posts in this thread just showed up for me and a post I did here a bit ago disappeared. Very odd. I say Kyle McColloch for Wily Mo!!! Get it done Walt, get it done!





Edit: Ooops just saw the sticky!

dougdirt
07-15-2011, 03:31 PM
Completely agreed. They should just pay Juan Francisco to hit out BP home runs to fans before the game and then let him sign autographs during the game. I don't see any way Juan Francisco will ever be an average major league starter with his allergy to taking a walk.

Francisco has better plate discipline than Wily Mo. I will be honest, Juan Francisco's plate discipline is MUCH better than his K/BB ratio would suggest. I have said it before.... they guy is willing to take a pitch as long as that pitch isn't ball 4. It seems that he is more willing to wait and see than ever before, but he still doesn't seem to get the idea that a walk isn't a bad thing. If someone could just convince him that a walk is not a bad result, that he would be a 3-1 K/BB guy instead of a 6-1 guy.

Kc61
07-15-2011, 03:50 PM
Francisco has better plate discipline than Wily Mo. I will be honest, Juan Francisco's plate discipline is MUCH better than his K/BB ratio would suggest. I have said it before.... they guy is willing to take a pitch as long as that pitch isn't ball 4. It seems that he is more willing to wait and see than ever before, but he still doesn't seem to get the idea that a walk isn't a bad thing. If someone could just convince him that a walk is not a bad result, that he would be a 3-1 K/BB guy instead of a 6-1 guy.

One major flaw in the comparison between WMP and JF is that WMP is a right handed hitter who generally has thrived against lefties but struggled against righties. (I've reviewed his major league stats and indeed this is so.)

As a platooner who hits against lefties and who is a poor outfielder, WMP has struggled to stay in the major leagues. To put WMP in perspective, he is a righty platoon outfielder who is not as good as Gomes. Platoon righty hitters don't get many at bats.

Francisco is a lefty bat. He feasts on righty hitting. Since major league pitching is mostly right handed, JF is a materially more valuable player. And, as DD suggested, he is a better all around hitter than WMP, although JF needs to understand that walks are good.

The jury is certainly still out on JF, but I don't think the comparison with WMP is a particularly good one.

Edd Roush
07-15-2011, 04:57 PM
The jury is certainly still out on JF, but I don't think the comparison with WMP is a particularly good one.


I may seem like I am flip flopping here, but I really do think the jury is still out on JF. My previous post was partly in jest. I just don't like his historical walk rate. My problem with JF is that he doesn't walk and I hate that he is getting a chance to be the "3B of the future" of Todd Frazier. I really like Todd, despite his rough 2010, and think that he has a good chance of being an above-average MLB third baseman. Granted, the Reds probably know better, but I sense a solid ball player in Todd Frazier.

klw
07-23-2011, 09:44 AM
Wily MO cleared waivers.
http://www.kolotv.com/sports/headlines/Wily_Mo_Pena_Clears_Waivers_Reno_Next_126049448.ht ml?ref=448

klw
07-25-2011, 12:08 PM
Wily Mo was released.
http://www.nesn.com/2011/07/former-red-sox-outfielder-wily-mo-pena-released-by-diamondbacks.html

He surely can't be worse than whatever the Mariners are running out there.

TRF
07-25-2011, 12:23 PM
For a week, he made the DBacks interesting.

Tom Servo
07-25-2011, 06:07 PM
He surely can't be worse than whatever the Mariners are running out there.
Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that the Brewers, Giants, Mariners and Athletics have interest in free agent Wily Mo Pena.


Mariners or A's should definitely just let him get regular at-bats for the rest of the year.

kaldaniels
07-27-2011, 09:17 PM
He surely can't be worse than whatever the Mariners are running out there.

I guess not. They signed him.