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I(heart)Freel
12-06-2010, 06:17 PM
[Sorry if this is redundant with any other Rule Five thread. I didn't see anything at first glance.]

Saw on Twitter a quick post about Danny Dorn and how he "crushes RHPs," making him a useful Rule 5 pick this week.

Wondered if there were any more chatter about Thursday's draft from a Reds perspective. Any players you think Walt and Co. could take a chance on? Has Walt ever really used the Rule Five before? Are there Cards farmhands available that Walt would intimately know that he'd maybe take a chance on? Are there Reds (like Dorn) you hope can make it through the draft?

Figured this could be the place to collect it all.

camisadelgolf
12-06-2010, 06:31 PM
With the Reds, here is what Walt has done in the rule five draft:

Drafted David Patton and traded him to the Cubs for cash
In the minor league portion, drafted Francisco Lizarraga and sold him to Mexico.
In the minor league portion, drafted Doug Salinas, who had a very good year in A-ball.
Allowed the Nationals to draft Terrell Young, who became injured. He was offered back to the Reds, but the Reds claimed he was injured and therefore couldn't be return. Eventually, the injury supposedly cleared up, he was returned to the Reds, and we never heard from him again.
Allowed Henry Arias to be taken in the minor league portion of the draft.
Allowed Ben Jukich to be taken by the Cardinals, but he was returned to the Reds before the end of spring training. Just recently, he was sold to a Korean team.

redsmetz
12-07-2010, 03:44 PM
Here's what Jocketty did at St. Louis (only ML transactions, easiest for me to find)

1994 Took Rich DeLucia from O's

1995 None

1996 Lost Jeff Berglinger to Tigers, trade to Dodgers, ret'd to Cards

1997 Lost Keith Glauber to Reds, Lost Luis Saturisto to Jays, ret'd 3/98

1998 Took Alberto Castillo from Phillies

1999, 2000 & 2001 None

2002 Took Andy Cavazos from Rangers, shows him with Cards org until '07 when he
played for StL. I'm thinking DL'd back when you could do that with a Rule 5
pick. Released by Cards in 2007.

2003 Took Hector Luna from Cleveland

2004 Lost Tyler Johnson to A's, ret'd 3/05

2005 Lost Tim Hummel to White Sox (this is after his time with Reds)
Took Juan Mateo from Cubs, ret'd 3/06

2006 None

Fired in 10/07.

Caveat Emperor
12-07-2010, 03:46 PM
With the 25 man being fairly set, and a lot of competition from top minor-leaguers for the bench spots that are available, I can't see Walt making any picks in the R5.

RED VAN HOT
12-07-2010, 09:49 PM
With the 25 man being fairly set, and a lot of competition from top minor-leaguers for the bench spots that are available, I can't see Walt making any picks in the R5.

I agree with you. Rule 5 selections do not make much sense for the Reds.

Yet, there are only 37 names on the 40 man roster. Even if spaces were set aside for Rhodes and Cairo, there is still one open spot. I overvalue Reds prospects, so I think he should have protected one or two other players. To me, that would have been Horst, Klinker, or Hotchkiss. Dorn was neither protected nor taken last year, so I can understand leaving him unprotected this year. Thus, it seems to me that WJ has decided to risk players at a position of depth for the opportunity to take a player at a position of relative need and give that player a ST tryout.

I(heart)Freel
12-07-2010, 10:45 PM
Found a couple links from a Blue Jays site on (what the writer sees as) the top available talent in the Rule Five this week:

Position players
http://jaysjournal.com/2010/11/30/rule-5-draft-possibilities-position-players/

Pitchers
http://jaysjournal.com/2010/11/28/rule-5-draft-possibilities-pitchers/


I'd need to dive in much more but Corey Wimberly (OAK) intrigues me as a switch hitting left fielder with lead off experience. Would he be worth the 25k to draft and bring to spring training as Gomes' platoon partner?

Certainly a move like that (not necessarily Wimberly specifically) could be insurance against Nix not resigning and the Reds not finding a LF through a trade.

REDREAD
12-08-2010, 03:28 PM
I wouldn't mind the Reds picking a raw athletic middle infielder, just in case SS help never arrives. Cario really can't play SS.

On the other hand, it might make more sense to make a reach on a 5th OF and try to catch lightening in a bottle, or at least someone that can fill the role of backup CF and pinchrunner. Especially with the interest being shown in Heisley. Someone to replace Nix's role.

I know a gamble like this has less than a 10% chance of working out, but it's so inexpensive to try.

camisadelgolf
12-08-2010, 05:58 PM
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2010/12/08/9705/

Jocketty also said the Reds will not take anyone in the Rule 5 draft tomorrow.

I(heart)Freel
12-08-2010, 05:59 PM
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2010/12/08/9705/ (http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2010/12/08/9705/)

So I guess I'll just log in to see if Dorn was snatched. Bummer.

HokieRed
12-08-2010, 07:01 PM
So I guess I'll just log in to see if Dorn was snatched. Bummer.

Make that Horst.

redsfandan
12-08-2010, 07:03 PM
Anyone know what time this is going down tomorrow?

mbgrayson
12-09-2010, 10:05 AM
9:00 am Est. From MLBTradeRumors (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/2010-rule-5-draft-results.html):

•Pirates take Josh Rodriguez from Indians.
•Mariners take Jose Flores from Indians.
•Diamondbacks take Joe Paterson from Giants.
•Orioles take Adrian Rosario from Brewers.
•Royals take Nathan Adcock from Pirates.
•Nationals take Elvin Ramirez from Mets.
•Astros take Aneury Rodriguez from Rays.
•Brewers take Pat Egan from Royals.
•Mets take Brad Emaus from Blue Jays.
•Padres take George Kontos from Yankees.
•Twins take Scott Diamond from Braves.
•Rays take Cesar Cabral from Red Sox.
•Yankees take Robert Fish from Angels.
•Phillies take Michael Martinez from Nationals.
•Yankees take Daniel Turpen from Red Sox.

Reds don't take or lose anyone in the Rule 5....

redsmetz
12-09-2010, 10:13 AM
We lose no one in the ML portion, the Minor League portion begins in about 5 minutes.

redsmetz
12-09-2010, 10:14 AM
Also, I think everyone picked came from AAA rosters, but I'm not certain of that.

redsmetz
12-09-2010, 10:27 AM
Reds pass in the minor league phase as well. [this was just the AAA phase] - we lost no one in that round.

redsmetz
12-09-2010, 10:37 AM
And we pass in the AA phase too.

redsmetz
12-09-2010, 10:38 AM
That's it and we lose no one.

camisadelgolf
12-09-2010, 10:47 AM
Wow, good news. Thank you for the updates, redsmetz.

lollipopcurve
12-09-2010, 10:54 AM
I'm glad no one took Guillon. Wasn't concerned about Horst or Dorn -- those are marginal guys at best.

Tony Cloninger
12-09-2010, 10:54 AM
I guess the adage..."nothing to see here folks, move along now, nothing to see. " applies here?

I(heart)Freel
12-09-2010, 11:39 AM
Wow, good news. Thank you for the updates, redsmetz.

Here here. Thanks for the updates, redsmetz!

Red Leader
12-09-2010, 12:15 PM
Also, I think everyone picked came from AAA rosters, but I'm not certain of that.


Jose Flores spent last season in Single A.
Adrian Rosario spent time in Rookie Ball and Single A last year.
Nathan Adcock finished this past year in High A.
Elvin Ramirez's highest stop has been AA. He started out in High A last year.

redsmetz
12-09-2010, 12:23 PM
Jose Flores spent last season in Single A.
Adrian Rosario spent time in Rookie Ball and Single A last year.
Nathan Adcock finished this past year in High A.
Elvin Ramirez's highest stop has been AA. He started out in High A last year.

Thanks for the corrections. I planned on going back and looking at the list once it was up. I was going just from memory and hearing the proceedings and so I wasn't certain about that.

camisadelgolf
12-09-2010, 01:23 PM
MAJOR LEAGUE PORTION
New Team Name Age Pos How Entered Old Team Bats Throws 2010 G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
Pittsburgh Pirates Josh Rodriguez 26 SS 2006 2nd round Cleveland Indians R R AAA 455 1938 1667 263 443 87 24 44 224 43 21 233 365 0.266 0.356 0.426 0.782 710 44 8 16 14 2
New York Mets Brad Emaus 24 2B/3B 2007 11th round Toronto Blue Jays R R AAA 425 1810 1559 254 431 100 8 39 227 37 9 212 220 0.276 0.364 0.426 0.790 664 34 13 7 19 8
Philadelphia Phillies MichaelMartinez 28 2B/SS 2005 NDFA Washington Nationals S R AA 548 2186 1961 272 515 95 26 20 208 82 42 130 295 0.263 0.315 0.368 0.683 722 36 26 58 11 2
AAA PORTION
Pittsburgh Pirates Brad Chalk 25 OF 2007 2nd round San Diego Padres L L AA 386 1587 1412 198 385 59 21 2 149 60 20 133 206 0.273 0.340 0.348 0.688 492 18 12 26 4 2
Arizona Diamondbacks Jose Rivero 21 OF 2006 NDFA Seattle Mariners R R Rk 260 1060 920 163 247 36 13 27 167 31 10 91 283 0.268 0.355 0.424 0.779 390 20 37 3 9 2
Baltimore Orioles DaleMollenhauer 24 2B 2007 17th round Chicago White Sox L R AA 421 1720 1545 209 418 88 15 9 151 73 22 129 248 0.271 0.327 0.364 0.692 563 23 7 27 12 3
Florida Marlins Jaime Ortiz 22 1B 2006 7th round Los Angeles Dodgers L L A 347 1373 1242 145 307 63 6 39 170 7 5 105 295 0.247 0.315 0.402 0.716 499 23 19 3 4 0
Toronto Blue Jays Ivan Contreras 24 2B 2005 NDFA Los Angeles Angels S R AA 298 1161 1035 181 280 46 31 4 94 54 24 96 223 0.271 0.333 0.386 0.719 400 13 4 19 7 0
San Diego Padres Jacob Blackwood 25 3B 2006 16th round San Francisco Giants R R - 373 1492 1406 153 351 72 6 22 187 15 6 62 183 0.250 0.284 0.356 0.641 501 38 11 0 13 3
Texas Rangers Jessie Mier 26 C 2007 12th round Los Angeles Dodgers R R AA 132 500 443 57 111 20 1 5 36 7 2 44 73 0.251 0.329 0.334 0.663 148 10 8 5 0 0
Philadelphia Phillies Chris Frey 27 OF 2005 11th round Colorado Rockies L L AAA 657 2507 2210 298 611 116 29 11 202 77 33 182 338 0.276 0.335 0.370 0.705 818 28 25 65 25 3
Pittsburgh Pirates Travis Scott 25 C 2005 20th round Los Angeles Angels L R A+ 336 1337 1178 167 318 74 10 45 222 8 4 127 279 0.270 0.343 0.464 0.807 547 21 11 6 15 6
San Francisco Giants DashenkoRicardo 21 C 2006 NDFA Baltimore Orioles R R A- 164 575 538 46 119 23 4 2 52 5 2 23 135 0.221 0.260 0.290 0.550 156 11 6 6 2 0
AA PORTION
New York Mets Quintin Berry 26 OF 2006 5th round San Diego Padres L L AA 556 2425 2072 318 547 73 12 14 161 200 58 257 435 0.264 0.354 0.331 0.685 686 29 38 44 14 4
Toronto Blue Jays Roan Salas 20 1B/2B 2006 NDFA Tampa Bay Rays R R Frk 198 777 680 117 219 49 5 22 140 11 6 69 84 0.322 0.390 0.506 0.896 344 16 14 3 11 3

MAJOR LEAGUE PORTION
New Team Name Age Position How Entered Old Team Bats Throws 2010 W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
Seattle Mariners Jose Flores 21 RP 2005 NDFA Cleveland Indians R R A 3 11 0.214 3.92 79 13 36 0 0 8 156.0 145 86 68 6 60 1 129 21 2 16 685 1.314 8.4 0.3 3.5 7.4 2.15
Arizona Diamondbacks Joe Paterson 24 RP 2007 10th round San Francisco Giants R L AAA 20 12 0.625 2.64 175 0 64 0 0 21 218.0 178 88 64 8 80 12 232 10 5 6 911 1.183 7.3 0.3 3.3 9.6 2.90
Baltimore Orioles Adrian Rosario 21 RP 2006 NDFA Milwaukee Brewers R R A 12 13 0.480 4.82 59 15 10 0 0 4 183.0 214 137 98 7 77 0 155 9 2 29 837 1.590 10.5 0.3 3.8 7.6 2.01
Kansas City Royals Nathan Adcock 22 SP 2006 5th round Pittsburgh Pirates R R A+ 24 34 0.414 4.19 102 90 1 1 0 0 486.0 482 307 226 34 204 0 389 32 0 54 2147 1.412 8.9 0.6 3.8 7.2 1.91
Washington Nationals Elvin Ramirez 23 RP 2004 NDFA New York Mets R R A+ 14 23 0.378 4.08 108 51 17 0 0 0 306.2 283 165 139 10 163 2 258 26 0 30 1377 1.454 8.3 0.3 4.8 7.6 1.58
Chicago Cubs Mason Tobin 23 SP 2007 16th round Los Angeles Angels R R - 6 4 0.600 2.43 25 21 2 1 1 1 96.1 71 32 26 3 34 0 75 7 0 4 385 1.090 6.6 0.3 3.2 7.0 2.21
Houston Astros AneuryRodriguez 23 SP 2005 NDFA Tampa Bay Rays R R AAA 41 43 0.488 4.56 141 131 7 5 4 0 712.0 720 415 361 67 254 4 626 47 6 53 3084 1.368 9.1 0.8 3.2 7.9 2.46
Milwaukee Brewers Pat Egan 26 RP 2006 36th round Baltimore Orioles R R AAA 17 15 0.531 3.24 112 31 34 0 0 9 314.0 307 140 113 10 70 1 228 16 2 8 1307 1.201 8.8 0.3 2.0 6.5 3.26
San Diego Padres George Kontos 25 RP 2006 5th round New York Yankees R R AA 21 29 0.420 3.47 97 73 7 1 0 0 440.1 398 202 170 41 151 1 436 10 0 18 1842 1.247 8.1 0.8 3.1 8.9 2.89
Minnesota Twins Scott Diamond 24 SP 2007 NDFA Atlanta Braves L L AA 28 20 0.583 3.28 76 74 0 2 2 0 442.1 460 200 161 19 146 1 357 10 0 21 1886 1.370 9.4 0.4 3.0 7.3 2.45
New York Yankees Robert Fish 23 RP 2006 6th round Los Angeles Angels L L AA 20 20 0.500 5.05 126 58 16 0 0 2 365.2 387 240 205 38 171 0 371 47 2 17 1666 1.526 9.5 0.9 4.2 9.1 2.17
Tampa Bay Rays Cesar Cabral 22 RP 2005 NDFA Boston Red Sox L L A+ 13 19 0.406 3.73 96 42 29 0 0 13 292.0 289 154 121 7 86 0 263 18 3 22 1259 1.284 8.9 0.2 2.7 8.1 3.06
Washington Nationals Brian Broderick 24 SP 2007 21st round St. Louis Cardinals R R AA 29 28 0.509 4.06 89 69 7 2 1 3 436.1 498 233 197 30 69 0 259 19 0 8 1859 1.299 10.3 0.6 1.4 5.3 3.75
Houston Astros Lance Pendelton 27 SP 2005 4th round New York Yankees R R AA 32 22 0.593 3.39 102 88 3 0 0 0 472.1 442 215 178 25 168 2 421 19 3 28 2013 1.291 8.4 0.5 3.2 8.0 2.51
New York Mets Pedro Beato 24 RP 2006 1st round Baltimore Orioles R R AA 24 30 0.444 4.21 131 83 34 1 0 16 504.0 522 273 236 50 182 0 350 23 4 30 2192 1.397 9.3 0.9 3.2 6.2 1.92
New York Yankees Daniel Turpen 24 RP 2007 8th round Boston Red Sox R R AA 16 12 0.571 2.86 156 0 63 0 0 17 239.0 233 92 76 8 81 8 198 13 0 19 1025 1.314 8.8 0.3 3.1 7.5 2.44
AAA PORTION
Kansas City Royals Heath Rollins 25 RP 2006 11th round Tampa Bay Rays R R AA 38 33 0.535 3.56 141 87 13 2 1 2 589.0 554 273 233 48 162 4 476 27 2 26 2446 1.216 8.5 0.7 2.5 7.3 2.94
Washington Nationals Michael Allen 23 RP 2005 13th round Minnesota Twins R R A+ 9 16 0.360 4.41 108 32 28 1 0 3 263.0 292 169 129 17 91 2 258 31 0 25 1186 1.456 10.0 0.6 3.1 8.8 2.84
New York Mets Ronnie Morla 22 RP 2006 NDFA Chicago Cubs R R A 15 19 0.441 4.08 106 45 16 0 0 3 335.0 334 183 152 21 111 0 325 24 6 36 1452 1.328 9.0 0.6 3.0 8.7 2.93
Los Angeles Angels Daniel Sattler 27 RP 2006 44th round Oakland Athletics R R AA 7 13 0.350 3.33 142 0 50 0 0 6 205.2 172 96 76 12 92 5 218 15 0 17 884 1.284 7.5 0.5 4.0 9.5 2.37
Oakland Athletics Jeiler Castillo 23 RP 2005 NDFA Houston Astros R R Rk 10 12 0.455 3.89 82 13 23 0 0 6 201.1 217 114 87 16 76 0 127 7 2 28 879 1.455 9.7 0.7 3.4 5.7 1.67
St. Louis Cardinals Jean Mijares 23 RP 2006 NDFA Minnesota Twins L L Rk 6 8 0.429 4.23 82 7 41 0 0 11 149.0 118 87 70 9 98 0 150 14 2 36 674 1.450 7.1 0.5 5.9 9.1 1.53
Atlanta Braves EliecerCardenas 23 RP 2007 NDFA Minnesota Twins R R A 16 7 0.696 2.62 93 26 34 0 0 9 237.1 204 99 69 11 101 2 208 11 3 28 1009 1.285 7.7 0.4 3.8 7.9 2.06
San Francisco Giants Justin Dowdy 27 RP 2007 NDFA Tampa Bay Rays L L AA 35 33 0.515 3.75 323 34 159 0 0 60 563.2 501 270 235 48 233 9 569 20 3 28 2419 1.302 8.0 0.8 3.7 9.1 2.44
Baltimore Orioles Casey Lambert 25 RP 2007 6th round Chicago Cubs L L A+ 13 11 0.542 3.53 127 17 51 0 0 13 234.2 233 108 92 12 80 6 190 10 0 10 997 1.334 8.9 0.5 3.1 7.3 2.38
New York Mets Ricky Brooks 26 RP 2005 3rd round Chicago White Sox R R AA 20 29 0.408 4.49 170 51 45 2 0 2 428.2 473 268 214 29 139 4 369 17 9 28 1883 1.428 9.9 0.6 2.9 7.7 2.65
Texas Rangers StarlingdelaRosa23 RP 2006 NDFA Kansas City Royals L L A 4 8 0.333 6.21 66 3 28 0 0 3 104.1 98 87 72 3 89 1 129 11 4 23 497 1.792 8.5 0.3 7.7 11.1 1.45
Atlanta Braves Rowdy Hardy 28 RP 2006 NDFA Kansas City Royals L L AA 37 27 0.578 3.36 128 80 24 3 0 4 592.1 617 252 221 35 99 8 355 62 0 16 2456 1.209 9.4 0.5 1.5 5.4 3.59
Philadelphia Phillies Justin Friend 24 RP 2007 13th round Oakland Athletics R R AA 10 14 0.417 3.69 148 2 57 0 0 18 217.1 209 111 89 13 126 3 237 12 1 29 977 1.541 8.7 0.5 5.2 9.8 1.88
San Francisco Giants Matthew Sartor 26 RP 2007 NDFA Los Angeles Dodgers R R A+ 10 14 0.417 3.69 148 2 57 0 0 18 217.1 209 111 89 13 126 3 237 12 1 29 977 1.541 8.7 0.5 5.2 9.8 1.88
AA PORTION
Baltimore Orioles Jacob Rasner 24 RP 2005 7th round Chicago White Sox R R AA 25 54 0.316 5.43 163 112 12 1 0 1 659.2 750 464 398 56 270 2 524 39 3 63 2973 1.546 10.2 0.8 3.7 7.1 1.94
Florida Marlins Brent Allar 26 RP 2006 14th round Baltimore Orioles R R A 3 9 0.250 4.74 115 13 56 0 0 17 199.1 187 130 105 5 147 1 213 26 0 44 943 1.676 8.4 0.2 6.6 9.6 1.45

camisadelgolf
12-09-2010, 01:28 PM
The Reds and Tigers were the only two teams to have no involvement in the draft.

Sea Ray
12-09-2010, 01:40 PM
I'd say this means the Reds did a good job with their 40 man roster decisions.

I was kind of surprised to see the first two picks coming from the same team. Is there no limit to how many players an organization can lose?

StillFunkyB
12-14-2010, 09:28 PM
2005 Lost Tim Hummel to White Sox (this is after his time with Reds)
Took Juan Mateo from Cubs, ret'd 3/06


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